Milsurp General: Stop buying Slavshit edition

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PICS NOW. Izhevsk 1944 m44, I'm fairly certain the stocks been redone, but the metal still had grease in and on it. Bolt appears to have the same prefix and numbers as the rest of it, but I'm not sure it's "Matching"

How much did you pay?

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>>34679074
$350 plus background. Bore is brand new looking, action is smooth and tight.

Completely new to restoration but I want to refinish my mosin stock. What supplies will I need?

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>>34679016
I just got this Turkish short rifle yesterday. Got the ffl to sell me the 1939 ammo box and 40 rds of 8mm for only 15 bucks.

The bayonet is also Turkish, but the helmet was added to balance the photo.

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Thread needs more surp.

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I guess I'll bump again

>>34679149
Don't

But if you do just put some tung oil on it

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>>34679016

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So I went and bought one of Sweaty Ben's remaining Sako M39s, one that was discounted as a gunsmith special because the bolt wouldn't cock. I got the gun yesterday and during cleaning saw that the issue was caused by a bunch of grease and dirt that got stuck around the trigger. So now everything is working fine after some cleaning and oiling. Rifle came with a war time stock.

>>34680951
hey I was thinking on getting one of the last m39's from sweaty Ben but I am a bit skeptical.
> as of now the vast majority of the rifles that we have left have either some light surface rust and / or cracked stocks.
what is the quality of the stock and is there any rust on the gun?

>>34679110
You got swindled

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>>34679016
>Stop buying
Never.
>>34679039
>>34679110
Damn that looks nice. Here's mine.

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>>34681061
And here it is again.

>>34679149
linseed oil and bees wax is what I used for mine, but unfortunately I don't have a picture at the moment. When the sun comes up I may be able to take one and show results.

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>>34680971
>what is the quality of the stock and is there any rust on the gun?
I was lucky enough to get one that had the crack left of the bolt. Sadly my stock didn't have the Sako logo on it. As far as the rust goes there was some light rust between the front sight and the top of the stock.

Just keep in mind that it all comes to luck since there is no way of knowing where the crack and the rust are going to be.

>>34681162
Give us a full pic of rifle

>>34681162
do you think I should get they have listed or should I see if I can find one on gunbroker. Also thank you

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>>34681172

>>34679149
Put down the rag and step back from the gun, bubba.

>>34679016
slavshit a besto

>down to 3 mosins
The way she fuckin' goes

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>>34681036
How? Price too high or summit?

>>34681201
You've gotta ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?"

>>34681271
I sold a 1943 trials m44 a few months ago for $300.

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>>34681295
I think you may have just undersold your gun friendo.

>>34681307
Nope. It took a month for it to sell at that price.

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>>34681295
I think you're the one who got swindled, not OP.

>>34681275
I want one but I dont think I wanna risk $300 for a junk rifle

>>34681330
See
>>34681314

>>34681425
Uh huh, and...?

>>34681452
I don't think you're in touch with the Mosin market. theres a real fatigue on non-finns.

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>>34681473
It's not hit here yet, most stores are still charging $250+ for a basic 91/30 and $290 or more for laminate stocks

>>34681473
No, I think it's the other way around. You could have gotten at least 450 from a collector.

>>34681563
Nope it's true. At the local funstore they have like 5 Mosins of various types they've sat on the shelf for 3 months. Same thing at a pawnshop a little further away 3 mosins and none of them have moved in months. People moved on from Mosins. When you can get a Yugo Mauser for the same price as a "collectible" mosins it's pretty obvious which one people will want.

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>>34681662
Ok.

>>34681677
Exception to the rule. It's like using Hemi-Cudas to gauge the muscle car market it's retarded. Mosins are stagnating

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>>34681686
Uh huh.

>>34681691
Once again there were literally 10s of millions of Mosins made and somehow 2 that sold for 2.5K defines the market?

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>>34681704
Please, do go on.

>>34681711
You're literally retarded.

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>>34681734
Ok chief.

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http://forums.gunboards.com/archive/index.php/t-135747.html

Seriously bud, you could have made more than 300 if you put it up on something that wasn't Armslist.

>>34681738
>having to use the absolute rarest Mosins to prove your point
Once again buddy those guns are out of reach of the the normal person and do not set the market. A Hemi-Cuda selling for a Million dollars does not mean the market for muscle cars is stagnant at best. Nor does selling a Mosin for $9000 mean that marginally rare mosins are hot sellers.

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>>34681768
Not that guy, i think you're just upset that you sold a rare rifle for modern 91/30 prices and now you're on damage control.

>>34681805
I'm not the guy who sold the rifle chief

what milsurp should i buy lads, my budget is 1500$ ive been looking at garands

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>Billy giving (You)s
I thought you knew better

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>>34681882
He's probably just bored. Or shitposting to bump the thread. I tend to do the second one myself

>>34681563
hows dreamland?

>>34681691
>>34681677
>posting the rarest most desirable mosins, pre WW1 US made in exceedingly small quantities
>this defines the market on run of the mill worn out ww2 date russian refurb blaster nuggets

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>>34681861
garand is best choice for a first surp, and a requirement if you are american. you cant build a gun collection without the cornerstone

Fin m91 1994(? iirc) and a 1925r Izhevsk pre-1928 Soviet
M91 ( or DragoonIzhevsk pre-1928 Soviet
M91 or Dragoon)

575 for both, the latter has been counter bored and isn't in super duper great shape, but it still has finish on the bolt.

The fin is alright all things considered. though it has the wrong barrel bands, its got solid ones rather than the screw split ones.

Both bores are decent.

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I picked up the Enfield the other day in an auction. I'm pretty happy with it for $300.

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>>34681061
>>34679110

We are of having good M44, tovarish.

Is there a such thing as a Scottish Enfield?

I want a scottish gun, and don't have an Enfield yet, what should I be looking for?

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>>34681882
I was tired. I should indeed know better.

I already own a good bit of guns and milsurp shit but what's a cheap rifle with cheapish rounds?

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>>34684127
Specifically milsurp? An Ishapore 2a1 is good.

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>>34684127
>what's a cheap rifle with cheapish rounds?
Cheap is relative. What kinda $$$/rd are you talking?

>>34684146
Can barely make out the details of the rifle anon. Think you can post a picture with better lighting?

>>34684127
Any gun that meets that Canon's criteria at around .30-45 cents a round that has good modern reproduction scopes for hunting/long range shooting?

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Got this on Monday, still haven't shot it yet. Pretty cool though

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>>34684250
Was hard to get a pic on my deck cos it's sunny as fuck right now.

>>34684479
I appreciate the effort either way.

>>34684250
>Any gun that meets that Canon's criteria at around .30-45 cents a round that has good modern reproduction scopes for hunting/long range shooting?
Nothing.

>>34679208
Hnnngh. I am filled with want.

>>34684537
Fug, I'm assuming if I drop the scope requirement I'd have options?

>>34684604
Not really. Even reloading you'll be hard pressed to hit $0.35CPR.

I sort of want a Carcano while they're still cheap and overlooked. I know nothing about them. What should I look for in them? What are good prices?

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Post them crests

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>>34685159
That's not a crest, that's a cartouche.

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>>34685159
Mums count too

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>>34685191
Crest is already in thread here>>34681307

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>>34685159
Los *tterritory-belonging-to-Chile-that-makes-Argentina-butthurt-I-don't-know-what-it-is-but-I'm-sure-it-exists* son Argentinos.

>>34685236
Something something ISLA MALVINAS something

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>>34685236
Shit that's nice. Mine can't compare.

>>34685191
You're a cartouche.

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>>34685313
Ah, if only....

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>>34685300
>Mine can't compare.
That SIG barrel doe.
>not to mention the Lange sight

My 1891 has no crest and I must scream.
>[Muffled EYYYMMASSSS MHVVEEEHNNASSS]

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Nip and slav surp

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>>34685333
An excellent vintage.

>winning auction for an interwar Nagant
>all this talk of short Mosins has me wanting one

am I gonna have to buy two guns this week

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>>34679039
>>34679110
More M44 pics

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>>34685367
I'm still on the fence about whether or not this is matching

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>>34685339
That's typical for Argentinian Mausers though. Mine barely escaped by being a Peruvian model.
>>34685349
Yes, but 1st year is even better.

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>>34685389
>1st year is even better.
I guess, if you like sawn-off waistless little stumps.

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>>34685406
>Not liking short stacks
And here I was thinking you had fine tastes.

>>34683438
im pretty sure there's no such thing as a scottish enfield, i haven't heard of any scot surplus before

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>>34685419
>And here I was thinking you had fine tastes.
You really should know better pham.

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The deal was $775 for both rifles ($500 for Enfield, $275 for Mosin)

At the last second I canceled on the Mosin and felt bad. The stock was original and I was gonna scrap it for one that looks more like >>34679016

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>>34685654
>The stock was original and I was gonna scrap it
What's wrong with the stock it had, Anon?

>>34682920
Gotta have pics dude

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>>34685654
Dark root beer stocks and brass caps are nice, but not worth scrapping another original for

>>34685700
I don't like arctic birch
>>34685734
Agreed. Plus I can get other Mosin for cheaper

>>34685354
Get an M38 fampai

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>>34684537
>>34684537
>>34684250
anything chambered in 7.62 nato or 54xr

get an indian enfield like >>34684479
suggested, you can find them under $350 all day (usually around $250) and add a non-permanent scope mount for $50, and shoot 7.62 surplus or wolf 308 for under 40 cents a round all day

http://www.armslist.com/posts/7039740/grand-rapids-michigan-rifles-for-sale-trade--1968-ishapore-enfield-2a1-308

http://www.armslist.com/posts/7093430/ann-arbor-michigan-rifles-for-sale--enfield-2a1-308-7-62x51

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>>34685973
I concur. Mine is fun as fuck.

>>34684670
>>34684604
>>34684537
>>34686000

fyi whenever you see this tripfag kaptbilly giving advice just disregard him, he talks out his sub 30yo ass in typical millennial fashion and doesnt know shit

https://www.outdoorlimited.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ta308150case

https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/wpa-308-fmj-145-grain-500-rounds?a=1583544&CJ=1&cjaffilid=8292840&cjaffsite=WikiArms%2c+Inc&cjadv=CJTSGUSA&cjadvid=1522857&utm_source=WikiArms%2c+Inc&utm_medium=CJ&utm_campaign=Redirect-Enabled+Deep+Link

http://www.sgammo.com/product/308-win-762x51-ammo/900-round-crate-762x51mm-l2a2-ball-surplus-ammo-malaysia-146-grain-bi-me

http://www.sgammo.com/product/308-win-762x51-ammo/1000-rounds-308-win-145-grain-fmj-ammo-wolf-steel-case-non-corrosive-amm

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>>34679016
No. i will buy all the slav shit i want.

>>34685973
>>34686021
Next M44 or M38 I find I'm gonna try and pick up, I really like the bayonet on the M44 but at this point I'll take either one.

>>34686041
Oh no, I was wrong and forgot about 308 Enfields! Woe unto me! Please, take my (you)s as humble penance for my gravest of sins; being wrong on 4chan.
>>34686041
>>34686041
>>34686041

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>>34684540
It's a really neat and interesting rifle. Bore is dark though, but that's what I get for buying Turkish milsurp. They were Slav-tier as far as maintenance on their rifles went.

@34686041
bump

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>>34679016
I'll stop buying slav shit if you start giving it to me for free

>>34685354
>am I gonna have to buy two guns this week
I bought that Turkish short rifle last week and picked it up Monday, then yesterday I finally gave in to my urge to buy a nice .22 (my Marlin M60 is uncomfortable as fuck for me to shoot). Now I have a CZ 455 coming.

The ride never ends

>>34685419
Kar98az is A E S T H E T I C

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>>34686000
>you can find them under $350 all day (usually around $250)

I paid 400, but that's because mine is fucking nice.

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>>34686104
doesnt have to be an enfield, many milsurps in 7.62nato or 308

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>>34686186
Best looking Mauser around. And the only one (so far) that I enjoy shooting.

>>34686215
I'm drawing a blank then, unless you count the Israeli Mausers.

I honestly forget about caliber conversions, because I have absolutely no interest in them.

>>34686205
looks like someone cleaned yours up of all the indian grease and black paint. they just arent generally wanted by most people because of "its made in india" so collectibility wise they are hugely undervalued pricewise. i see some sit for months at $250, $400 is top dollar for one and the most i have seen anyone ask and they take a while to sell and usually end up dropping their price. your wood is real nice too, much better than most i have seen

>>34686229
http://www.armslist.com/posts/7106373/tucson-arizona-rifles-for-sale--spanish-fr8

http://www.armslist.com/posts/7110790/birmingham-alabama-rifles-for-sale-trade--spanish-mauser-fr8

those are a favorite recommendation of mine for people looking to get into milsurp

>>34686255
>>34686229
note its the FR-8 that i recommend, not an FR-7. i would never suggest someone get an FR-7 thinking they should shoot modern 308 or even 7.62 out of it, it really was a poor creation meant as a backup

the FR-8 is purpose built with CETME barrel on a large ring mauser for hi pressure 7.62 nato

>>34686255
Fuck, those exist too. And they aren't caliber conversions. Fuck.

>>34686234
Yeah, mine is in great shape, minus a scratch in the barrel about a quarter inch from the muzzle...don't know if I'll need to counterbore it or maybe with some shooting will come out. Rifling otherwise looks almost unused. I got super light frosting from trusting fucking Ballistol as a lubricant...now I just use grease. Hoping the frosting (it's still really shiny overall) will also shoot out. Obviously I haven't shot it yet.

>>34686297
i wouldnt hesitate to recommend an israeli 7.62 K98 either btw because of quality and how well they are built but for most people unsure about milsurp an israeli k98 is a big investment and usually beginners arent interested in dropping collector dollars on something they wont even appreciate. but to the right person i would recommend one as a starter surplus rifle. i still am on the hunt to get my own, they are fucking hard to find these days

>>34686328
>they are fucking hard to find these days
They are. I look for them from time to time, and 800 minimum seems to be the norm now.

>>34686299
you gotta shoot it to see, might not even make a difference, no sense speculating on something like that without knowing how it shoots

what do you mean you got frosting from ballistol? how long did you have it in storage? are you sure the frosting wasnt there before cleaning?

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I'm surprised we've made it this far talking about ishapore Enfields without someone getting triggered by poo n loo

>>34686297
>they aren't caliber conversions
Of course they are; all FR8 were originally M1943 rifles in 8x57mm.

I think the FN Mauser Police carbines FN-Herstal used to make are probably the only purpose-built non-sniper 7.62NATO Mausers

http://www.armslist.com/posts/2593950/fayetteville-north-carolina-rifles-for-sale--wts--fn-1950-mauser-police-carbine--308

>>34686378
but they were professionally converted by a military arsenal with new barrels not bubba with his dremel and some inserts with superglue

>>34686430
Yeah, which makes them still milsurp. But I personally have no interest in them, because they've been converted. Which is why I forget they exist so many times.

>>34686346
>what do you mean you got frosting from ballistol? how long did you have it in storage? are you sure the frosting wasnt there before cleaning?
I got the rifle, then cleaned the old gunk from the bore and was amazed with how new it looked, then oiled it with Ballistol, and because I check my rifles every couple weeks, I spotted what looks like really light frosting.

I only got it in May, and I keep it in my house displayed in my (air conditioned) bedroom.

>>34686062
I've had several M44s and sold them all. I kept my M38 because it's a much handier rifle without the bayonet.

How hard is it too load for 8x50mmR Mannlicher?

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>>34686612
Word. The only reason I bought my T53 was because I wanted to say that I'd bought a Mosin inna big-box store for <$100.

>>34686549
its probably just dry oil, run a dry patch through it a couple times and see if it clears up.

when ballistol drys up it looks a bit like congealed bacon fat that gets left over in your bacon pan after frying bacon and leaving the skillet out for a few hours

>>34686815
>34686815
i doubt anyone here does it, try a surplus gun forum to see if dies are even available

>>34686815
Not particularly easy, because of a few... quirks. But it's doable. You can use either x54r or 8x56r for brass (the latter would work better but is more expensive), and you need .330 sized bullets, in addition to a proper expander ball.

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?168467-8x50R-specs#/topics/168467

Keep in mind that historic loads for the 8x50 were not built for the strength of the M95. You can hotrod those pretty heavy if you know what you're doing. But that's something you can worry about later.

>>34686833
I have since cleaned it again, and it looks like it's frosting...unless it's debris brought up by the bore brush that won't come out.

Oh fug, I really shouldn't...
http://www.armslist.com/posts/7130540/milwaukee-wisconsin-rifles-for-sale--mas-36-51-7-5x54

>>34686612
>>34686830
I've never even seen an M38 for sale in my area, only ever M44s or Type 53s, and those are pretty rare. What's a good price for one?

is this real? even if it, I don't have 500 to drop right now
https://www.armslist.com/posts/5465422/los-angeles-california-rifles-for-sale--ww2-enfield-jungle-carbine-no5--mk1-303

>>34687108
Local shop has a m38 for $450 but I think that's way over priced. 350 is more accurate.

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I was able to return my shitty undersized wolf .303 rounds. I picked up some UK 1942 production surplus. Hopefully it'll still work.

>>34687532

I thought they dumped it all in the ocean after the war.

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>>34687919
Are you literally retarded

>>34687532
Ehhh isn't that stuff still cordite? Probably won't work.

>>34687951

Well I believed something I read on 4chan so probably.

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>>34687964

>>34687963
I've seen a documentary about Gallipoli, and the crew found a .303 round in the sea near the landing beaches, and when they pulled the bullet, the cordite still burned.

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Anyone know much about this 30-06 ammo? I have a 1917 eddystone and a 1903a3, both in really nice condition, but I don't want to damage them by shooting awful ammo. Is what they say about steel case being able to fuck up your chamber true or is this fuddlore? As far as I can tell this ammo was made in the Barnaul plant that Wolf and Monarch ammo is made in. Any helpful information would be much appreciated.

>>34688159
Your rifles are stronger than any steel case ammo fuddlore. They are weapons of war, not delicate flowers.

>>34688226
I usually think this too with most of my milsurp weapons, but the eddystone especially is in immaculate condition and I would just hate to fuck it up in any way.

>>34688246
The Eddystone is one of the strongest rifles ever made. You'd be hard pressed to damage it deliberately, let alone through using shitty ammo. Most likely worst case scenario is it doesn't shoot well and you get a sticky bolt situation.

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>mfw I finally brought home the lebel
Pics;
http://imgur.com/a/kWa5S

Did I do gud?

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>>34688305
Well, it's seen some shit. But the bore looks good. Should be a fine shooter.

>>34688305
Is Firearms Friday still a thing on Imgur? I used to go there a lot years ago, but they got too touchy feely liberal for me.

>>34687532
i guess im lucky that wolf 303 has shot well in all of mine?

>>34687951
keep in mind thats corrosive, and erosive. theres a reason they stopped using cordite

>>34688159
you wont fuck up your chamber but you may have more soot and carbon to clean in the chamber and bolt area since steel case doesnt seal that well and if you shoot brass after that without cleaning you may get sticky or stuck cases on extraction due to said carbon fouling

>>34688159
Its for sure not the worlds best ammo but a M1917 won't go boom because of it. I don't know why people by the steel case anymore considering how the PPU is only marginally more expensive yet you can recoup some of that cost by selling brass

>>34688822
It's some older gentlemen who is selling it for 30 cpr so at that rate it's a steal.

what cheap mil-surp has the most readily available ammo?

not counting SKS or 7.62x54R

>>34689262
.30-06 obviously. Also 7.62x54mmR is getting somewhat harder to find.

>>34689262
None

>>34689262
There are Brazilian 08/34s in .30-06 floating around. 7x57 is also not super hard to find

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What are good sites to buy mausers?

>>34689367
any recommendations on (cheap) 30-06 milsurp rifles?

Did Poland produce any good bolt action rifles that can be found as mil-surp? I know they made some Mosins, anything else though?

>>34687951
>>34687963
Wew lads, the website didn't say this when I bought it but after checking the headstamps, I got a bunch of mk8 vickers MG ammo. Wikipedia says it'll fuck up the enfield bore because it's non cordite and boat tailed. Should I still try it out?

>>34689540
Brazilian 08/34 or Brazilian M954s. You can find the 08/34s in 7x57 too but any marked 08/34 .30 and Made by Itajuba Arsenal are pretty good. You can find them for ~300 fairly easily

>>34689262
No one gonna recommend this guy an Ishapore mark 4 or a Israeli mauser both chambered in .308?

>>34684148
Not that anon but I'm in the same situation and I've saved ~375
Slavshit has appeal to me because I'm yugo diaspora, but I'm not set on it or anything. I want a nice piece of history that I can take shooting on the weekends, or something like that. Any suggestions?

>>34689568
Gdansk when under control of the boche imperial oppressors made fine Mauser rifles and the Poles liberated the tooling and made more after WW1

>>34689609
>>34689579
awesome thank you.

I think Ill try to buy one of those 308s, as I think a 30-06 will have a bit more recoil than I want

When is the K31 meme going to end. They were good values when they weren't 500+. The sights are subpar and it weighs 600 pounds

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>>34689881
Oh look, someone who's saying what I said last year.

I'm a milsurp trend setter.

>>34690010
buttsniffer

>>34689881
>>34690010
Is there a more accurate mil-surp in that price range?

is there another straight pull option thats as good in the price range?

I was thinking of getting one, because I think straight pull is cool and I wanna shoot one for a while, and also because I heard the K31s were basically the most accurate mil-surp you could get, at least in the price range anyway

>>34690050
Swedish Mausers are superior in every way

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>>34690050
>Is there a more accurate mil-surp in that price range?
A good No4mk1, a Swedish M96, a Mas 36, and a M39 Will be roughly as/more accurate and around the same price.

The K31 is a fine rifle. It's just overrated in a lot of ways.

I'm I the only one who finds straight pull actions awkward and unsettling?

>>34690134
Am I

I might have had a stroke

>>34690050
Any of the other Swiss rifles are as accurate and cheaper. While the K31 is shorter and has a stronger action none of that really matters when the ammo is made to a specification taking the early 96/11s into account.

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TFW you have a 1914 Gewehr 98 in great condition lined up to buy for $460 and the faggot seller decides to sell to someone else

I'm never finding a buy like that again, all of the Gewehr 98s in existence are locked up in baby boomer safes it seems

>>34690310
You'll see a lot within the next 5-10 years going up for sale

>>34690113
>>34690113
>Empirical evidence and bias: the post

Im sorry your k31 was below average and you mightve had a really nice No.4 and Mas but this claim is absurd. K31s and Swedish Mausers have the reputation for accuracy they have because their manufacture is extremely consistent and they were very well cared for. Its a reputation they deserve even though the k31 may punch a little high due to its surplus ammo being extremely high quality.

The Mas 36 and the No.4 arent nearly as consistent, especially the enfields, which seem to have all of the QC of the British auto industry. Hell, they reamed the chambers super long on purpose - they knew they werent making target rifles.

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>>34690010
God you are a massive tool.

>>34689881
>When is the K31 meme going to end?
Never.

>They were good values when they weren't 500+.

They're not $500+, look harder.

>The sights are subpar

Show me a military rifle from that era with good sights. Buy some diopters and shut up.

>it weighs 600 pounds

Lift more, Nancy. Also are you trekking it across the Swiss Alps? No? Oh, you are shooting from a bench every few months?...Then why are you bitching?

>>34690143
>Any of the other Swiss rifles are as accurate and cheaper. While the K31 is shorter and has a stronger action none of that really matters when the ammo is made to a specification taking the early 96/11s into account.

Got a source on that sunshine?

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>>34690481
>Show me a military rifle from that era with good sights. Buy some diopters and shut up.
Here you go chief I can find a few more for you if you want
>>34690500
Find a source for what? That GP11 ammo was issued for all the rifles from the 1896/11 to the K31 of the fact that rifles that share the same basic design and made in the same factory are going to be as accurate as each other

>>34690560
Oh boy you posted a rifle that was chosen for target shooting at 300 yards and not battlefield conditions that also costs significantly more than a K31.

>Find a source for what?...

Well I did:

In 1928, first attempt at combining the positive qualities of the rifle and carbine was made by fitting a K11 with a heavy barrel. 200 heavy barreled carbines were produced and tested. However, the gains in accuracy were outweighed by the added cost of the weapon. The decision was made in April 1929 that a new design for the carbine.

The following requirements were set for the new weapon

The new weapon should not be significantly longer than the 1911 Carbine.
The new weapon should have a straight-pull action
The new weapon should be more accurate than the 1911 Carbine, and as accurate as the 1911 Rifle
The new weapon should be cheaper to produce than the 1911 series.
Testing began in late 1929 and continued into 1930 of two prototype designs, and end with favorable results. In late 1930 10 new design carbines were sent to the shooting school in Wallenstadt for evaluation. The new design carbine’s accuracy was compared with that of the 1911 Rifle and the heavy barreled carbine. The results of the testing showed the new design carbine to be more accurate than either the rifle or the heavy barrel carbine.

http://www.swissrifles.com/sr/index.html

>>34690686
m8 the M1903A3 had the rear aperture specifically for combat. The M1903A3 was a rifle designed specifically for WW2 not for target use.

>>34679208
I was debating whether or not to purchase that very same rifle for myself. I was really disappointed when the listing went down, but now that I've seen it show back up here I'm kinda glad that somebody else that appreciates milsurp has it. Have you shot it yet? How is it?

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finally got the missing parts for my type 99, it was in a really sorry state when I first got it

>>34690113
>>34690113
the sights are its biggest negative attribute in my opinion. if it had some sort of aperture like garand style sights it would be hard to scoff at it

>>34690686
>>34690686
>Oh boy you posted a rifle that was chosen for target shooting at 300 yards and not battlefield conditions that also costs significantly more than a K31.
>>34690686
are you retarded? the 1903 was the battle rifle for the US military for 50 years. and theres plenty of rifles from that period that had aperture sights

>M1 Garand
>M1 Carbine
>1903
>1917 Enfield
>Enfield No. 4 Mk1

>>34691136
Be that as it may. The rifle is not more accurate than the K31 and nor does the price justify the sights.

>>34691311
The A3 was the only1903 with apertures fuck nugget.

You mentioned all those rifles with "superior sights" yet all cost more and are less accurate. Well done.

Besides the only one on there with cheaper ammo than the K31 is the M1 Carbine which is not known for being accurate.

>>34691311
I also forgot to add that ALL of those rifles except the M1 Carbine weigh more or are equal to the K31.

>>34691329
Literally every rifle has better sights than a K31. A fucking Carcano has better sights

>>34691413
Heres a (you). There was an effort.

>>34691430
>trigger swisscuck
kys buddy and maybe you'll come up with a better argument

>>34691448
I feel as though the K31 has better sights than a Mauser. So under your logic Carcanos have better sights than Mausers.

Again. Diopters are a thing for the K31 if you suck at shooting. Go back to suckling on that bag of dicks.

>>34691467
>just spend the price of the rifle on iron sights to get better irons.
wew lad

>>34691487
Well you are the piss poor shit who cant hit anything with them. You need that upgrade apparently. Just trying to help you out.

>>34689568
A K98 is a polish gun

>>34691502
>projecting this hard
double wew

>>34691517
>Ignoring literally everything I had shot you down on.

>>34691520
>thinking you've been arguing with a singular person
triple wew

>>34691525
>Still proving all your faggot asses wrong.

>>34691528
Except you still haven't proven that the K31 sights aren't Ass.

>>34691398
>>34691370
>>34691370
>You mentioned all those rifles with "superior sights" yet all cost more and are less accurate. Well done.
and yet that was a new stipulation you just seem to have added in yourself, ill refer you to your actual comment i responded to


>>34690686
>>34690481
youll notice, your own faggot self said right here and i quote:
>>34690481
>Show me a military rifle from that era with good sights. Buy some diopters and shut up.

so kys and fuck off faggot, youre wrong and i win

>>34691546
I can put rounds into a 2 in group at 100 yards and I take the rifle out only once or twice a year. I also don't think the sights are shit. What people deem to be good, bad or shit sights are subjective. You are trying to prove an opinion.

>>34691555
trips confirms it!

>>34691511
source?

>>34691430
May not be trolling. The grunt setup on a K31 leaves a lot to be desired, or so the Swiss expats who run my favourite range have told me.

>>34691413

You're trying too hard. The K31 notch is just a little too large, Carcano sights are terrible. Have you ever touched one? You're supposed to bury the post in the bottom of the huge V-notch and guestimate your way up the notch with range. A lot of them have no other elevation adjustment.

You got a reply though, so good job.

>>34691566
>>34691566
>>34691555
digits confirm Kek is with me and he frowns upon this faggot anon >>34691370
>>34691398
>>34690686
>>34690481

>>34691571
i am going to chase you

>>34691555
The post was in regards to >>34689881 this post you cum guzzling faggot. Pardon me for not knowing that I am apparently arguing with 17 people right now who have probably never even held the rifle let alone shot it and are going off the word of some chuclefuck tripfag on a Vietnamese image board.

Finally like I said. If you have a problem with the sights go buy a pair of diopters. Also like I said before, fuck off.

>>34691575
Oh fucking noes!?!? Somebody got a set of numbers in a post that makes the other persons argument invalid. What are you fucking 6 years old? Fuck off back to /b/.

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>>34691570
Don't get me wrong. They are not perfect but they are not worthless either.

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Sights on the K31 are in the same class as those on the Swede m/96, SMLE Mk.III, and M91/30 Mosin IMO. I prefer their sight picture to that of all the other Mausers, the Mosin m/91, the Carcano, and Steyr M1895.

The aperture sights and crazy long sight radius of the No.4 Enfield and Springfield M1903A3 are better.

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>>34691649
Nice collection friendo.

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Short question:
Does the MAS 49/56 maul its brass? and in what direction does it eject?

>>34691370
The M1 carbine is the most accurate milsurp I've ever shot. I do understand that it's asinine to be comparing milsurp accuracy because at this point it boils down to the condition of the bore. My mk3 smle for instance can't hit shit, and my k98 makes dinner plate groups.

>>34691612
such a fun gun to shoot.

>>34691174
Haven't shot it yet, but barrel is meh, and front sight is slightly bent...but it's still a really neat rifle and I like it very much.

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>>34691284
The sights, the thickness of the wrist, the weight (compared to other short rifles), and the general handling and ergos all leave me less than awed with it. Like I keep saying, it's a good rifle, but it's not the best. It just has a nice trigger.

>>34691467
>So under your logic Carcanos have better sights than Mausers.
They do. Well, for the most part.

>>34691567
The K98 is the polish designation if you want to be pedantic (and this is milsurp, so of course we do). If you're referring to a German ww2 Mauser you would say Kar98k.
>>34691794
Sometimes, but mine is pretty decent to my brass. It will throw it up and to to the right, sometimes quite far.

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>>34692484
Dude I know you've shot a Carcano before, where do you come up with crap like this? How do you justify sights that obscure 3/4 of your sight picture at 100 yards and require you to take your best guess at 200 yards, AND have a super wide notch at 300 and beyond as being superior?

>>34692517
That sight depth is great for rapid acquisition and I don't need to fight it as much in low light/bad to see the notch or the post or the target.

>>34692539
It also requires you to think under duress about what sight picture to use and is more precise up close than it is at longer range, that doesnt strike you as counterintuitive?

Rapid acquisition and visibility is the rationale behind those wide rear notches that people are bashing on the k31 and some mausers

>>34692575
>is more precise up close than it is at longer range
That's an advantage, both for me who rarely shoots past 200 yards, and for an infantryman who would also rarely be shooting past 200 yards.

When you can easily mistake the sight ear for the front post, like on the K31, it's a problem.

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>>34691794
It's not like a AG-42B on mauling the brass, but it throws it pretty far so finding it them is a pain.
>using muh pic

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>>34692595
Its not an advantage when literally everything else maintains the same level of precision with the same sight picture at any elevation.

As for the K31 ears being mistaken for posts... I think you're reaching. Not impossible, but the ears are pretty obviously not the post.

>>34692617
>I think you're reaching
I've fucking done it. Trying to "run and gun", I've done it a few times. With a Carcano, I never had a problem finding the post and centering it on a target. K31, any of my Mausers, most of my Mosins, they required more effort than the Carcanos I've used.

>>34692632
Yet you haven't done it with an AK pattern, or your 49/56, ir anything else with ears that vaguely resemble the post?

God, are K31fags the worst fucking fanboys.

I have one, and while it's nice, its reputation is so fucking hyped. It's too fat and chunky, heavy, the sights are completely standard tier. It's kind of like how before the K31 got popular, people thought the 1903 Springfield was this fuckin laser accurate weapon of amazingness

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>>34692655
No. The 49 has a nice aperture so everything lines up beautifully. Never tried it with an AK actually.

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The K31 is good. But it's still over hyped and a tad bit overrated. Is it accurate? Yes, but not substantially more than my other milsurp (except my hand nugget). It's not particularly handy, like the m44 or mas36, but it balances well and is easy to manipulate from the shoulder. The ammo is affordable, but so are 7.62x54r and 8mm. Its slightly more complicated to clean than a mauser but still not difficult. It's good, but not the best thing since sliced bread

>>34692668
>>34692687
No one in this thread said the K31 was the best rifle ever. It was only argued that it deserves its reputation for accuracy and that the criticism of the sights are being overblown. Most of your criticisms are apt.

>>34692712
Maybe not in this particular thread, but the gun community at large? Yeah, it's overrated.

>>34692712
As far as fanboys go, I think K31 enthusiasts are even more delusional than Mosin fanboys were. You can't argue with them because they'll always be convinced that it truly is the best bolt action of any military ever, when in reality almost all the milsurp (including the K31) form an average in which they're all about the same performance and capability wise. People see memes of 1 inch groups and that's all the "evidence" they need to be convinced that the K31 was some mystical weapon way ahead of the curve...guess what, nobody talks about the K31s that shoot two inch groups or larger, but they exist: they're expected to be accurate (similar to how the National Match 1903s made ALL 1903s seem like target rifles masquerading as a combat weapon), because the Swiss have a cult of marksmanship using rifles they already selected for being accurate and then also added massive diopeter target sights.

They're completely average, outside of fit and finish, and perhaps slightly more accurate than normal when shot from a bench.

>>34692737
>>34692761
This is a highly contextual argument, though. If someone wants to buy a milsurp rifles to plonk on a bench to shoot paper or shoot in vintage matches a k31 is a top tier choice because it was made to a high standard and very few were abused or overused and the Swiss would have culled those that were. The same is true of Swedish Mausers - if they did have a bad one, they rebuilt them. Obendorf made plenty of mausers for other nations too, likely to the same standard -at least in peacetime- but they've been rode hard. Mosins get unfair hate for the opposite reason - a lot were produced under duress and the soviets didnt throw away any of them even when they were sewer pipes. Complicate that matter further with match grade swiss surplus and pretty bad surplus for most others - but why shouldn't that be/have been a consideration of whats desirable to buy?

Obviously if the context is "what bolt rifle should you take to war in 1940" most of us would pick some iteration of mauser (including 1903 and arisakas) or enfield but on pretty slim margins. You are downplaying the extent to which different surplus had different average performance in terms of accuracy, though. The K31 is pretty far ahead in terms of tolerances and stock design.

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A little beat up, but you can't argue with a $200 Mauser that still shoots straight.

>>34691571
Except that's not how the carcano sights work. Except for the M38's fixed sights.

>>34693039
No, they all work like that, but to different zeros.

>>34693039
>>34693187
I did say the wrong numbers though, adjustable sights start at 200 at the bottom of the notch and fixed sights start at 300.

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>>34693187
>>34693256
They literally do not work like that. They are adjustable for range. Adjusting the sight picture is not how you're supposed to adjust for range.

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>>34693310
91 TS reporting, the V notch can and would be used for estimating

>>34693377
You have to estimate hold over with any rifle. Somehow because the Carcano's sights let you do that without having take the front post off of the target means they're worse? Is this your argument?

>>34693432
They are clunky and imprecise, yes.

>>34693467
It's not a target rifle m8. The Carcano's sights are a very good setup for a combat rifle. Open iron sights are also inherently imprecise

>>34693552
Very good? Nah. Acceptable? Sure.

>>34693707
Not him, but I really like the Carcano sights.

>>34693707
The Carcano's sights are basically the best you can get without going to an aperture

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>FN49 gonna be in Monday

oh my god someone hold me my body isn't ready

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Nugget 91/30-M43 Izhevsk, never fired, only 6000 made. bought 2.

Even Frogs can have nice things sometimes.

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I want to get into collecting milsurp, and I'm really into the turn of the century. What's the least expensive Pre-WWI manufactured smokeless rifle on the market? I'm not talking about a Mosin or something that was designed in the 1800s but made in the 1930s. I'm talking about something that will almost certainly have been produced before 1914.

Hey, if the anon looking for a Syrian Mas 49 is around, one just got posted on Gunboards for 700.

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>>34694463
>Nugget 91/30-M43 Izhevsk, never fired, only 6000 made. bought 2.
I've seen those on gunboards. It seems like a few went to Canada and most of the others in Europe. Our wonderful Russian sanctions must be preventing some coming over to the states.
That's also not the official designation of them.
>Even Frogs can have nice things sometimes.
But can you get an actual WWII correct Mle 1936?

>>34694477
Carcanos, South American Mausers.

>>34694489
>That's also not the official designation of them.

I know, it just sounded cool.

>But can you get an actual WWII correct Mle 1936?

Since 2012, we can!

>>34692447
It is a good looking rifle. I thought that the "58" painted into the stock gave it some character.

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>>34694491
I've been interested in the Carcano for quite some time, so I'll definitely seek out one of those. Thanks!

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>>34694497
I don't think there are any actual WWII correct Mle 1936s in France anyone. All the ones left would have been rebuilt post war. Pic related. There is a difference between WWII correct and a post-war refurb.

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Should I trade a 1940 Russian Capture/Mismatch J&P Sauer & Sohn Kar98k which has the rare plum finish on the receiver and a rare 1945 Kriegsmodell stock for an all matching M44 Mosin in excellent condition?

I have a guy on Armslist interested. Is this a good deal or should I hold onto my Mauser?

>>34694531
Good luck to you anon, they're fun rifles. Rough around the edges, but fun.

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>>34694576
Sure, if you like taking it up the ass thats a great deal. But otherwise no.

>>34694594

I didn't think so, despite mine being a mismatch.

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This is the cmp. This is quite literally it. Just a few more rifles to the left and some hats and shirts, and 20 or so bayonets. There were only 56 rifles, I counted.

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>>34694531
I love mine, just stay away from the 91/24 carbines.

Carcanos have gain twist rifling and the 91/24 just had the barrels chopped down so they accuracy is really poor from my understanding.

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dicks out for harambe

>>34694576
Are you serious?

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>>34692887
Nice.

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>>34692426
It is. I think what people fail to realize that is difficult to find a mechanically bad in shape K31. Whereas you have to be careful with most other milsurp. I have had my my hands on at least 40-50 K31's from gunshows to personal collections and in shops and have never seen one with a bad bore. Not alot of life left on the barrel? Yes on a handful. Pitted or fucked? Never. The actions on all of them have still been tight and lock up nicely. The quality of the surplus ammo is amazing and then when you factor in the price is even better. Which is also significantly cheaper than even run of the mill ammo for .303, 8 and 7mm mauser, and even 7.5 French. I don't understand why people bitch about the weight. It weighs literally the same as any other rifle from the time. The quality of the rifle to me is worthwhile up to the $600-700 range over the next few years. After that then yes, people can start to say it is "overrated". It may not be the best from the bolt gun era, but it is certainly one of the better ones.

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Why is the Type 38 Arisaka book unobtanium? This book approaching unicorn status.

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>>34695403
Supply and demand. I suppose I should order his Siamese Mauser book while it's still available, even though I don't have a Type-46 rifle yet.

>>34694521
That 58 is what really sets it apart, otherwise it's a fairly ordinary rifle. So odd you were going to buy it, cos I almost didn't get it; it was the Turkish Mauser or the Vergueiro.

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>>34695374
>It weighs literally the same as any other rifle from the time
So it says on paper, but mine feels like a good 9.5 to 10 pounds, much heavier than my K98k or most of my others (M91 Mosin and 1896/11 are about the same). If it somehow isn't significantly heavier, then something about the way it's built sure makes it feel that way.

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>>34685159
cartouche > crests

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>>34685159

>>34694482
Not that anon but I too saw that. I'd like one some day, but today is not that day. Its not in my budget right now, and I'm saving my sheckles for an auction in 2 weeks and another one in September.

>>34694576
dont. i owned a 91/30, and it was not really all that great. i liked it much better than my friends m44 though. like i liked my 91/30 a lot more than his m44.

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any cheap milsurps that either came with a scope, or could easily have one mounted?

>>34696149
No, you have to pay to play with milsurp sniper rifles

>>34696149
Your cheapest bet is probably gonna be an M48, M24/47, or a Vz24 that's been drilled and tapped. I have an M48 with an old 4x Weaver scope and it's fantastic, and satisfies my pseudo sniper need.

Will a seller get pissed if I ask what the reserve is set to?

Why the fuck don't people set their minimum bids as the reserve

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I'm buying a S&W victory model in pretty nice shape for 750. Did I get fucked?

>>34696517
What's it matter if you piss off some dude on the internet? Ask.

Shot my Chilean today and had some ejection issues. Casings were getting stuck in the chamber and I was having to force the bolt open. What I don't understand is why it feeds and extracts just fine on unfired casing then locks up like fort Knox after you fire.

>>34681552
That doesn't mean they are selling

>>34681738
>shill bidders

>>34697217
There was no bidding on that.

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>>34697166
Sounds like a headspace problem. Was it bulging primers?

>>34689881
>>34690010
You guys are trolling hard or live under a rock if you cant find a K31 for 300-400$

>>34697166
Sounds like a headspacing issue.

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>>34697243
>>34697264
It's not bulging primers, but it is scraping the hell out of the brass. It kinda looks like the chamber has a burr or something, there's brass flakes all on the left side of it.

>>34686104
You talk out of your butt a lot boyo.
Your pricing of stuff is generally quite wrong and you base most of your pricing off gunbroker which really is a terrible source for prices.
LGS/Pawn & internet enthusiast forums sales are always better indicators of markets.
It would behoove you to actually check local pricing / movements of surplus.

>>34697295
>It would behoove you to actually check local pricing / movements of surplus
No one in 50 miles sells milsurp that isn't bubba'ed chief. Gunbroker is the primary market otherwise.

>>34697166
>>34697243
This doesnt sound like a headspacing problem.
Its more than likely a chamber issue.
Does your chamber have pits in it or excessive powder buildup?

>>34697287
Now that i have seen this you probably have pitting in your chamber and when the brass expands its filling those pits and causing resistance

>>34697309
Perhaps you shouldn't comment then on suplus pricing since you don't have a good grasp of the market then.

>>34697287
Jesus Christ it IS a headspacing issue. Hie thee to a gunsmith before you blow yourself up.

>>34679016

Need to freshen up and preserve my Enfield's stock.

Should I get Raw Linseed Oil or "Pure" Raw Linseed Oil? Both are from "Sunnyside Corporation."

>>34697320
Ok but. Whatever you say.
>>34697287
>>34697314
>you probably have pitting in your chamber and when the brass expands its filling those pits and causing resistance
This sounds like the most likely culprit.
>>34697323
Oh god shut up. If he isn't even bulging primers he's not gonna blow up a fucking thing.

>>34697339
No you don't, please go away.

>>34697314
It looks like the chamber has a burr in it. It's not bulging cases or primers and those scratches are fairly deep on the first two cases I shot, but shallower as I went through 5

>>34697339
You need Boiled Linseed oil.

>>34697314
So how do I fix it?

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>>34697166
Damn dude that sucks. My Chilean shoots like a dream and is as smooth as butter.

>>34697402
Hope you can get that fixed man.

>>34697753
It's smooth when it's empty and it's accurate, I just hate forcing it open after every shot

>>34697657
A Smith should be able to polish the chamber for you for $50.

>>34694678
Just wait until they process the Filipino rifles. Or until the South Korean rifles get imported by someone.

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>>34697464

Any reason why Boiled Linseed Oil in particular? Someone else had recommended Raw (accompanied with the following image) as that is what they were issued apparently.

>>34697464
STOP ENCOURAGING HIM

>>34694533
local shop has some for $299 and $349, how do i spot refurb vs original? one has serial matching on everything even the stock, looks about the same condition as your picture

>>34694576
>>34694576
its almost an even deal, see if you can throw in a few boxes of ammo to even it out

>>34698447
Compare it to the one I posted above it: >>34694489
It should have the painted finish. All milled parts, not a hooded front sight. The rear sight should not have a button to push to adjust it. The sling swivel should not be a stamped ring on the side.

>>34696149
yeah mosin 91/30 PU snipers with mismatch scopes are about $500, and a real one is about $800-$1000 so not bad. pick them up

>>34698482
ah ok, looks like they are all refurbs then

>>34697287
you have a rough chamber, probably some pitting. see if you can buff out the corrosion with a copper brush and drill, if that doesnt fix it, take it to a gunsmith who can try to polish it professionally. depending on how deep the pitting is, it may be fixable, but it may not.

take it as a learning experience, this is why you inspect chamber for rust and pitting if you plan to shoot it

>>34697287
in fact, your scuffs all look in the same general spot. you might have some debris or a rough spot/burr/mound of rust there. inspect the chamber near the end where the scratches indicate, it looks the problem is somewhere close to the beginning by the magwell. if you can stick a finger in there to feel it try that, if not, use a q tip and see where the cotton is getting hung up on. id still try the copper brush and drill trick i posted earler, maybe add a patch to the brush with some solvent then polishing compound but dont go crazy. take to gunsmith for professional fixing if you cant unfuck it with said procedure


make sure you dont have a bit of broken case/brass stuck in there too, sometimjes that happens, a chip flakes off and seals itself against the chamber wall

>>34698551
It was a burr at the opening of the chamber. I took a Qtip and ran it around to see what pulled the cotton, then lightly polished the chamber with a brass brush on a drill with some light polishing compound. I think it was some Flitz we had laying around. As it stands now, the once fired brass isn't getting stuck but it's still tight. It was much smoother on unfired cartridges and I'm almost certain I've fixed the problem. We'll find out next Tuesday when I get more range time in

>>34699700
glad to hear it anon

>>34694477
Gewer 88/05

>>34679016

Saw one at a fun show today, wanted to buy it, but I need to get a K98k still, and I need to start saving for a new car.

>>34684817

If it's a M91/38 it may be in 7.35, which is almost a unicorn round. The only place that I've found that stocks it is Liberty Tree. The rest are in 6.5 which is much easier to find.