Is .270 shit?

It's popular because it works, anon. And Jack O'Connor. That said, it isn't "low recoil", it's actually just under a .30-06 in that regard.

Get some lead-free ammunition and shoot within 2 moa and you'll have your dead Elk.

When a guy who has legitimately done something in the real world approximately fifty times as much as you at what point do you realize meme based logic doesn't apply to real life in the way you think it does?

I don't even know jack shit about 270 tho

>>34676398
Low compared to other popular elk cartridges, 7mm rem mag and .300 win mag specifically.

>>34676356
cartridge doesnt matter as much as what projectile you use at what velocity.

>>34676433
I mean, you're right, but people don't shoot comparisons. A .270 wouldn't make for a good youth rifle in the same way a .243 does.

>>34676356
just use an AR 10 you fudd

>>34676433
yeah 300 win mag will but op specified "suitable lower-recoil cartridge.

>>34676356
Tell me what's wrong with 30-06 other than it being rarer than .308 and more expensive

>>34676356
30-06 is popular among fudds because (with handloading) it actually does pretty much anything they want done with decent barrel life.

If you just want a botique hipster cartridge to bag your elk, knock yourself out. It's a free country.

Why not 308? Also why do you care about low recoil? Are you some sort of pussy?

>>34676529
I'd go a step farther to say that .243 is the ideal cartridge for deer up to 200 yards. For elk, or for deer beyond that distance (which I frankly really don't understand why you'd be making 200-yard shots, but I'm not opposed) .270 is clearly a winner.

That being said, my cousin raises bison for hunts and beef, and has a shit ton of huge boar on his huge property as well. He uses a .243 for coyote, deer, boar, and bison, and rarely fires a second shot after connecting once in the vitals. He reports that it will drop a bison within about a four-step stagger, a deer within a max 50-yard sprint, a boar will run circles three or four times unless it's a head shot, and a coyote just drops right there every time.

>>34676667
308 is slower and doesnt allow as many different bullet weights. Why wouldnt you want low recoil if the velocity and weight is the same?

>>34676398
>And Jack O'Connor
Never thought I'd see his name on /k/.

>>34676874
This. It's retarded to batter your shoulder if you don't gain any more killing potential. Elk are tough, but that doesn't mean you need a big cartridge to kill them. It means you need to hit the vitals. Its getting away if you pull a gut shot, no matter how heavy the bullet is.

I'd personally go for .308, 7mm-08, or 6.5 creedmoor.
.270 would probably be fine, but not out to .400 yards.
Randy Newberg has a video you should watch that gives more info
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfd3XkHDaDA

>>34676356
I don't know if he made any shots quite as far as 400 yards or not but my Dad and Grandpa hunted their elk pretty exclusively with .270. I think they usually shot them at 250 yds or a bit more. Grandpa would call them out and Dad would shoot them. He would always say it was nice because it shot flat and they didn't have much if any trouble knocking them down with it. He said it got the job done and done well. I don't have any first hand experience shooting .270 because I'm not much of a hunter but there's some second hand for you.

>>34677029
Isn't .270 higher velocity than .308 and 7mm-08?

>>34676958
Chuckhawks, despite being Fudd central, has some good information.

>>34677057
There nearly the same, but you get a slightly larger bullet diameter if you go with .308. (if the shooter cares for that)

6.5x55 is worth looking at. Meets your requirements. Better penetration than any 7mm or .30 cal bullets.

>>34677130
Also difficult to find guns and ammo in the US.

>>34677095
Seriously though. One of the best sources for gun info I've found on the net. And his site isn't pop up central.

>>34676664
>decent barrel life.

This fucking meme again? Even the most avid hunter taking several deer or elk per year would NEVER shoot out a barrel.

>>34677130
150gr .270 called. Practically the same SD as 140gr 6.5 and a good 200fps faster.

>>34676356
The most important thing for hunting big game is penetration. Sectional density is needed for that. A 150 grain 270 has excellent sectional density, making it a nearly perfect elk bullet.

>>34677107
270 is faster at 200 yards than 308 is at the muzzle. That's not >nearly the same.

>>34677208
Not a fucking meme retard. A legitimate concern when accuracy is king.

And who ever said all my shooting was filling a tag? Have you ever talked to a reloader? Do you have any idea how many rounds they burn trying to find ballistic perfection? Or have you considered that these guys hand their guns down in families? Round count is cumulative.

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Fudd-70 handloader here, the cartridge is plenty good for hunting and has some decent accuracy to boot. I can keep all my hits on a 6" round steel place at 300 yards so 400 should be easily obtainable.

30 06 or 300 win mag is what i use. next year going out with my 375 ruger

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>>34676356
https://www.cdnnsports.com/270-american-22-syn-grey-d-cam.html

Ballistically .270 is the worst '06 derivative, just like every other 6.8mm cartridge. If you want faster, go 6.5-'06, if you want heavier, go .338-'06

>>34676529
>>34676824
The bullet weight selection is what I find interesting about .243 win, 50 grain hornady plastic tip stuff up to over 100 grain stuff.

Which other similar cartridges can boast a 50 grain weight deviation in loadings?

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>>34677442
That's not true but ok. The .270 is still faster at 200 but at 300-400 that difference becomes minimal, and the .308 has slightly more energy at that range
And past ~500 yards I'd prefer to switch to different, harder hitting .30 cal just to up the energy.

>>34677718
How long does the brass last? I've heard weird things about the shoulder angle and neck length that mean you have to trim and resize it constantly. True or fuddlore?

Also, to answer OP, does it seem a bit light for a long range elk gun? even with modern bonded boolits? It does to me. I'd use my 25-06 on anything on the North American slope out to 150 yards, including a big bull, but never in hell at 300+. I'd want a 30-06 minimum.

>>34677965
Those emblems look shooped in

>>34676356
.270win is an OK elk cartridge. shot placement is more important than power on elk, so focus on accuracy if you don't want it running off.

elk hunting is a bitch. I don't want to do it; too much work.

>>34676356
Just use 22lr
All about shot placement

>>34678301
Actually you can hand load .270 with 90 grain bullets. You can't buy ready to fire cartridges in that weight, but they're suitable for coyote. And with 150 grain loads being good for elk, .270 is actually a very versatile hunting round.

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Shot this 210lb mule deer at 388yds with a tikka m695 in .270win using a 130gr soft point. The circled are is the exit wound. It still had enough energy to go through a large buck at 388 yds. It'll kill an elk just fine.

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>>34679271
Goddam. I honestly wouldn't have believed it unless I'd seen it. What brand and type bullet?

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>>34676356
Just use an 8mm Mauser like me

>>34679271
Fine hunting. Where'd you take it?

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>>34679290
130gr soft point from remington
Heres the rifle and the buck before being cleaned

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>>34679324
Near the Canadian /North dakota border

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>>34679351
Fixed

>>34679332
388 yards on a big mulie with a plain old Cor Lokt...? The fuck are you, the reincarnation of Jack O'Conner or something?

Seriously, that's awesome. I wouldn't have even tried with that gun and loading and I admit it.

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>>34679361
I cheated O'conner
Use a 4-12x55mm vortex and i use a leupold range finder.
Hunting is my life lol and he gave me a nice broadside shot.

>>34679152
berger makes a 115 grain bullet for .243, same bullet weight range pretty much

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>>34679377
Still a helluva shot. I hope he was delicious. Venison chili is god tier.

>>34676356
>30-06 is a good example

Is fucking great. So is .270.

>>34676667
Because contrary to your retarded opinion, the .270 hits harder amd shoots flatter at all relevant ranges.

>>34677130

I know you know you think what you're talking about

But you really don't.

>>34678723

>shooting at animals at 500 yards

This isn't long range shooting. A long point blank range is far more useful when hunting.

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>>34679403
He was. Recently bbqed the ribeyes and prime cuts for my cousins birthday. Marineted the meat with some spices and lemons. He now thinks venison is gods gift to makind itll just be a matter of time before he becomes a hazguns and gets his kids into hunting. Hes already agreed to come pheasant hunting with me this fall.

>>34677551

Acceptable hunting accuracy and acceptable precision shooting accuracy are two completely different things.

If you are shooting paper then get the flattest shooting round because who cares how much energy it has once it arrives.

>>34676648
FUDDS USE IT, THERFORE ITS SHIT AND NO ONE ELSE CAN USE IT

>>34677551

>all this rambling about fudds perfecting handloads further burning out their fuddy odd six barrel so they can bring their stock 30-06 with wood furniture and a Redfield scope to an acceptable level of accuracy

>>34679703
Recoils almost as hard as 7mm mag (an other beloved fudd classic), but is slightly inferior in every way.

>>34679554
You say that until you're on your last day of the hunting trip/season and you spot a elk that's 600 yards out, but not enough daylight or cover to move closer and get a comfortable 200-300 yard shot.
You shouldn't ever go hunting with the purpose to shoot an animal as far away as possible (unless it's a trash animal and you want to give yourself a challenge), but having the gear and skill to make longer shots gives you a advantage that may just allow you to get a kill shot off.

>>34679271
Man, I guess that cartridge power creep theory was real.

>>34679815
Different anon. According to the graph at >>34678723, even if I had the glass for a low light 600m shot, I don't think my bullet would have the oomph left to expand. Trying to track a tiny blood trail in the dark without a hound sounds pretty shitty as well.

>>34679854
That's why I mentioned I'd switch to a larger .30 cal if I was hunting in a area that presented long shots like that.
Even if it's a rare occasion to take a long range shot, it's good to be prepared for just such a situation.
By no means do I think the .270 or .308 suck (I own a rifle in each caliber), but they do have their limits for different hunting situations

>>34676356
All .270 Winchester is is a necked down .30-06. It shoots with slightly less recoil, faster velocity, flatter trajectory than a .30-06. Out to 400 yards a .270 will do everything a .30-06 can but faster.

>>34679854
You know it's common to carry two types of rounds? 600 yards is a stretch but 500 yards with a 270 bullet with a BC higher than .55 can definitely do the job. These rounds normally break and don't penetrate closer up that's why you carry a close range round too.

>>34676356

OP, get a 300WM with a muzzle break, it'll have the same recoil as a 270 and will become your favorite hunting rifle. You can buy a longer barrel basic bitch rifle and have a gun smith thread it and pay for the break for less than 200$

>>34677107
We handload 150gr 270 up to 3100fps at the muzzle (22'') thats lots faster.

>>34678723
check a chart with 150's on it.

>>34679718

I love out shooting tactical rifles with my wood stocked .30-06.

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>>34679271
My 2nd and 3rd last white tail were 350 and 365 yards respectively and about 150lbs. 2880fps muzzle 22''bbl and 130gr hornady interlocks.

>>34679934
I LOVE 270 win but to say it'll do everything a 30-06 will do is a stretch. You cant get 180gr spitzers in 270 so there is a fair bit of advantage to the 30-06 on the heavy end of the spectrum for long range work.

>>34676824
>200-yard shots

I've never understood that either. Why would you walk any father than you have to? And why would you want to walk it again with a load of dressed game?

>>34680027
>You know it's common to carry two types of rounds?
You're the first person I've have even heard of, let alone seen, who does this. Kudos on either finding bullets with similar POI or maintaining some awesome 600m DOPEs across different bullet weights.

>>34676356
>hunt elk out to 400 yards this fall
That's a job for .30-06 or .300 win-mag imo.

>people keep recommending .270
Who? Idiots? .270 is a decent white tail round down south, but when you're talking elk, you want something with more mass and energy because elk are fucking huge, and you often times have to take longer shots to get them.

>>34680407

>stand hunters detected

>>34680979
No shit. I'm not spending my mornings tear-assing around swamps and hills for a fucking deer; especially when I've already put in 11 months of legwork tracking their movements. You must be some kind of retarded, boy.

>>34681128
>implying you dont sit in a bush near a well walked deer trail, naked, with a knife and a handful of dextramphetamine pills. Waiting day 3, shivering from hypothermia and dehydration, perhaps a bit of tick related disease, you tackle a seasoned buck, wrenching its head to the side as you slash at its neck while your testes are torn off by a luck hoof strike.

Pfft. "hunters"

>>34681305
>>implying you dont sit in a bush near a well walked deer trail, naked

i have read it as "implying you dont sit in a bush near a ready deer, naked..." ...

>>34678769
I have got 3 reloadings on the cases but then the necks start to split. I have yet to anneal because lack of equipment but hoping I can start doing it soon.

>>34676824

Is .243 really able to kill deer? like large ones? Because here in Australia if y'wanna hunt Sambar or red deer you legally cannot shoot it with a caliber smaller than .270, otherwise you can get fined, lose guns, licence or get banned from hunting in that forest. Im a novice hunter with a Sako A7 in .243, anything you could recommend in terms of shot placement with a 243 and ammo type? Cheers.

>>34680662

You made me search it online and I guess you're right, I'm not seeing any articles on it. The only 4 people I know that hunt elk do but to be fair 3 of them are family and I just assumed everyone did. If you're interested in trying it, find rounds with somewhat similar poi at 200 yards, maybe closer if youre using a smaller caliber, I only do 300 and 7mm, sight in for the longer range round and if you come across one closer dial in for it. Error, if any, isnt going to be significant inside 400 yards if youve got a good set up. I personally only shot one it was before I was talked into using two different rounds but they've had good success

>>34676433
And people routinely kill elk with .257 Roberts, .25-06, 7mm-08, 6.5CM, 6.5x55, and other "low recoil" rounds.

I keep saying it, but elk are not these giant armored unstoppable things. They're big deer.

>>34676648
Kicks significantly more to throw the same bullets at negligibly higher velocities when compared to .308 while being a long action round, meaning a longer bolt throw and a less stiff action.

>>34676664
Fuxk you are stupid. .270 is super well established and the fudds you're referring to don't reload and don't use enough ammo for barrel wear to be an issue

>>34678082
'03 derivative

>>34682731
Yes. You can reliably kill (smaller) deer with .223 if you pick the right loads and stay within 200 yards.

Aim in the same place you normally would with good bullets, I suggest lead free because they never fail.

>>34678301
5.56 for one and anything with a .30 cal bullet

>>34677057
Yes, with lighter and lower BC bullets. By the time you get similar bullet weight to a 6.5CM or 7mm-08 you've lost enough velocity the others perform better.

>>34676648
30-06 Costs the same as 308 when we're talking about soft point hunting ammunition. 30-06 Is slightly less available than the 308. At 180 grain, 30-06 generally has a 500 joule advantage over 308 (this is about the power of a 9mm).

There's nothing wrong with the 30-06 at all.

>Nobody will ever make a good 160-175gr 7.62x39 load

It could do all that 30-30 does in a smaller package if the market would bring out something better than the regular ~123gr military loads that we're stuck with.

Would also help if bore/groove ratios were standardized. Shooting commercial .310 bullets out of a gun with grooves .312 deep sucks for accuracy.

>>34682845
I shoot .308 because it's ubiquitous here, and 7mm-08 is a very nice soft shooting cartridge, but .270 smokes them both in velocity, and in 150gr, it does it with a SD approaching the 140gr 6.5 bullet.

.270
130gr @ 3000fps
140gr @ 2900fps
150gr @ 2800fps (SD: .28)

7mm-08
120gr @ 2900
140gr @ 2700
154gr @ 2650 (SD: .27)

.308
150gr @ 2700
165gr @ 2550
180gr @ 2450 (SD: .27)

>>34682885
>.30-06 is slightly less available than .308

I've never seen .308 exist where .30-06 is not right next to it, though I am American.

>>34683128
Slight tangent, but are most Euro-bros still prevented from hunting with .30-06 just because it was America's military cartridge over 70 years ago?

>>34682932

I don't know a lot on the round and the reason weights dont go that high may be because theres just not enough space for that much bullet but remember heavier =/= better or even just better penetration when expansion is taken into account. A decent 123 grain or 124 grain, or specifically an SST I'd imagine would work great, people take deer all the time with rounds smaller and with less energy all the time.

>>34682731

Yes, it'll kill fine up to 300 yards but you should absolutely stay legal. People who make laws on guns/ammunition dont know what theyre talking about often. I live in the states and where I am it's legal to hunt with 38 special but not 9mm or even 40 I think and you can hunt with any size mag for rounds with a diameter of .30 and up but are limited to 10 rounds for things like 223. You'll have to search around for the 243 you want, I don't use it but my friend kills a lot of coyote and whitetail with it.

>>34683018
>.308
>those velocities
At least compare same length barrels. Looks like you're comparing a 24 inch .270 to a sub 20 inch .308. My Encore chronos 150gr American Whitetail .308 at 2910fps from its 26" barrel and will toss Hornady Superformance 165gr at 2890fps.

>>34682845
Nonsense. Not within any practical hunting distances.

>>34683633
22" barrel on all 3, broseph, according to my reloading book.

I'd have used Superperformance for all but Hornady just updated their site and didn't bother to setup redirects.

>>34683633
>>34684285
Also, beware, there's a crotchety old anon who chrono'ed a bunch of store-bought .308 ammo (not Superperformance though) who will furiously decry anyone who mentions anything good about .308. Apparently Federal, Winchester, and Hornady Custom were all underloaded from what they said on the box.

>>34683633
I was about to go into a boring long rant about SD, BC, and case capacity, but honestly, no animal is going to be able to tell the difference in those rounds at 400y and in.

I will say that for a given powder and similar SD bullet, .270 will shoot with a longer MPBR and with a hair more velocity than a .308, at the cost moderately reduced barrel life. There aren't any 180gr bullets for .270 that I'm aware of either for tough game inside 200y.

I also thought .270 kicked a tad more as well, but that depends so much on stock design, so I'll leave that off.

>>34684510
Yeah .270 kicks almost as hard as .30-06

>>34682845

Stop making stuff up.

>>34684510
Limbsaver airtech makes shooting my .270 almost fun...almost

Been hunting long seasons for twenty one years; used .220 swift, 22-250, 25 06. 30 06, 270, 300wm, 338, 300 weatherby, 308, 22 mag. If im going way up in the mountains near brownies ill take the model 70 in .338 or my featherweight model 70 .300. For anything else my model 70 winchester in. 270 with a 3-9 gold ring has never let me down. Rather large black bears from 100 to 300 yards. One shot. Ive made a 415 yard head shot on a buck, canoed him. So many deer and mountain goats i lost count years ago. Dall ram, wolves, even a couple coyotes. Killed elk with it at 225 yards and the next year at 385. Regular federal ammo. For 13 years the scope hasnt been off a single cunt hair. There is literally no other gun i trust more, and if you bitch about recoil then youve never harvested game before. You dont feel the kick. Argue all the bullshit you want, its a damn fine round.

>>34682731
Your deer in Aussieland are a hell of a lot bigger than whitetail or even mule deer here in the US. Your guys are easily in the range of twice to three times the size of our deer, and more like what we call elk/wapiti.

That said, you do what's legal there in Australia, but .243 is a capable and viable elk cartridge with the right bullet weight and type, just not nearly as ideal as .270 for that purpose and of course with less functional range once its energy starts to taper off.

Shot placement is right behind the leg-forward shoulder in the vitals where you'd expect, and you'd want to use something like a 100-grain Nosler partition for best results. Keeping it in the lower yardage is a good idea too. I personally wouldn't have any concerns about taking an elk with a .243 100 grain Nosler partition at 100 to at most 200 yards if I had a clean shot and was comfortable with my ability to consistently hit a 4-6 inch grouping or smaller.

>>34681305
How's PETA treating you? Do they really allow their members to own weapons, or are you just RPing?

>>34688032
>reads linked post
a-are you serious?