Where were you when F-35 babbies got beat the fuck out?

not pretending to be a girl

t. doesn't give a fuck about the f-35

>>34674410
>Manning
>Relevant military commentator
>Pick one

>>34675011
I honestly believe that what Obama did when he pardoned Manning was a calculated move to kill an enemy of the state while also earning points with his supporters.

He got good guy lib points for releasing the shitbag tranny, and sooner or later Manning is gonna get a knife in the ribs, or better yet, an hero.

Obama will release a statement about how unfair or unjust it was, yet smile inwardly because a traitor got his just desserts.

I honestly believe this was his play all along.

>>34675044
manning seems to be really happy with her freedom, and gives a lot of trannies an hero... to aspire to. so probably not

>>34675141
>an hero...to aspire to
Chuckled

>>34675141
>her

>>34675165
>being disrespectful

anon

>>34675044
No shit? /sarcasm

Anytime when the HMFIC exercises his right to pardon he is doing so for political reasons. Usually it's when the lame duck administration is well within the last 100 days, so they don't give a fuck who they piss off and/or its time to pay the fuckers who put them there.

In another time and another place Bradley Manning would have spent the next 30 years breaking big rocks into little rocks at USDB Fort Leavenworth or being trussed up blindfolded in front of a bullet pocked wall.

>>34675194
>indulging the mentally ill's delusions will make them go away
Because we tell Schizos that they CAN talk to God and fly right?

>>34674410
what the fuck is wrong with america?

feels good not having these issues in Scotland.

Did this guy get mkULTRA'd?

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>>34675242

>>34674410
Manning shouldn't gotten a shallow ditch and 9mm to the back of the head. That people somehow think his opinion carries any weight shows just what libs really think of the military.

>>34675044
>implying Obama thinks Manning should be killed
Nice fantasy. This was a political move, one last fuck you to the Army and a future thumb in the eye to the Trump administration.

>>34675141
>treason is a heroic endeavor
okay

>>34675221
yah its pretty fucked up that they don't recognize gender diaspora as a form of mental illness, I was discussing the catastrophic suicide rates for post op. Trannies with a leftist, and he told me that it's because "society doesn't validate their identity" i'm starting to think that leftism is a form of mental illness.

>>34674410
>beat the fuck out
Anon that's not what it means

>>34675365
You do realize the Gender Dysphoria is treatable, right?

By adjusting the body to come in line with the mind. That's what the actual fucking medical science says.

>>34675398
>(((science)))
Then why do they kill themselves both pre and post op you delusional faggot?

The cure is pretty simple, just sic mike pence on them

>>34675398
>actual fucking medical science
You know, a treatment probably shouldn't increase mortality rates.

>>34675398
>deluding yourself into thinking that your inverted penis that needs constant care to prevent it from healing shut is healthy, it brings the body in line with the brain!
Clearly nothing is being brought into line, obviously not in a physical sense and not a mental one either if that hilarious 41% suicide rate is anything to go by.

>>34675424
Whoa whoa whoa, chief.

Just cuz you've sipped the left's Kool Aid, doesn't mean that letting people with *Body integrity identity disorder* hack their limbs and shit off is "treatment".

>>34675424
>>34675439
>>34675449
>>34675451
>/pol/ pop psychology

>coast on hormones and anti depressors on top of reconstructive surgery for the rest of one's life
>"dude i'm healthy"
yawn

>>34675501
*hangs u on lamp post*
tee hee

>>34675398
and the "actual fucking medical science" is bringing the suicide rate to that of Jews living under Austrian and German rule.

>Gender Dysphoria is treatable
>adjusting the body to come in line with the mind
you know i mention that they were POST OP did you even read what i wrote?

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>>34675501
BIID is a well studied mental disorder, unlike

>it's 2017, gender is on a scale.

Almost all the psychological work that is the basis of "transgender study" and "transsexualism" is based on the work of John William Money, who tried to anonymously tried to explain away pederasty from psychological perspective, while he was committing it.

>>34675556
>Mythical suicide rate
>Throws out the social complications from assholes like you as a core factor for "itz cuz dey trasitioned durr"

>>34674410
Oh it's this.
I was thinking this was about the colossal waste of money and work that is the F-35 Lightning.
Disappointing.

>>34675398
You're right, gender dysphoria is treatable... by giving patients the hormones they were born with.

>>34675612
So, despite the medical community basically having complete unity on the issue, you're going to meme?

>>34675398

Gender Dysphoria is treatable by not watching porn all the time and cutting back on the anime.

>>34675689
>I'm going to ignore reality for my beliefs!

>>34675727
>Memes, ho!

>>34675650
>Mythical suicide rate
i'm so sorry that the findings of Dr. Paul McHugh disagree with your political ideology

>>34675650
>mythical
This is why everyone hates trannies, they are the most delusional people you will ever meet outside of full blown schizos.

>>34675722
I'm gonna need some citations of "the medical community". WHO still cites "Gender Dysphoria" as a mental illness; and the DSM - V still lists the previous listing of "Gender Identity Disorder" under "Gender Dysphoria" - will be used to describe emotional distress over “a marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender.”

Interestingly, this re-branding just happens to coincide with a 2011 study by the Association for Psychological Science (that's been echoed since by other APA studies).

Concern is being raised in the field that leftists outnumber conservatives 14:1 or MORE, presently, in the field of psychology.

One of the basic tenants of psychological research is that an individual is always biased by the present context.

>>34675867
>>34675867
Studies by both conservative psychologists such as Jonathan Haidt, professor at Stern School of Business; and Dr. Richard Redding, now at Chapman University; and far left leaning psychologists such as Prof Philip Tetlock, formerly of Berkeley, now at University of Pennsylvania.

>>34675793
>Dr. Paul McHugh
>A doctor who let his religion get in the way of the science that is rightfully ignored by the medical community

>>34675867
>I'm gonna need some citations of "the medical community". WHO still cites "Gender Dysphoria" as a mental illness; and the DSM - V still lists the previous listing of "Gender Identity Disorder" under "Gender Dysphoria" - will be used to describe emotional distress over “a marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender.”

>DSM V also lists proper treatment of GD as Hormone therapy and Gender reassignment

I love it when you idiots try to use its presence in the book as proofs of your side but ignore what it says about treatment.

>>34676366
But yet the treatment for BIID isn't "cut your junk off"... it's almost as if a social science has become a fucking shithole of leftists who bend science to fit reality, rather than basing the science off reality...

>this thread
THIS
IS
NOT
WEAPONS

>>34676443
>The official treatment is hormone with surgery as needed
>Hurr cut junk off

>>34676461
You're right. I should just come right out and call it genital mutilation.

>>34676461
You literally just posted in>>34676366
about hormones and gender surgery.
Checkmate.

>>34676473
Not every transgender individual does that. For some just becoming more androgynous is enough. Some go through all the way.

I must note though two things to try to make this more relevant to /k/:
Transgender individuals enlist at a rate double that of any other demographic.
Military medical expenditures on Viagra are 10x that of what is spent on transitioning individuals.

>>34676505
Nope. DSM V recommends surgical correction on a patient by patient basis.

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>>34676507

>>34676521
Facts, bait, what's the difference to assholes, right?

>>34676520
>disregards own post
Anon, quit.

So how about those weapons and military things, huh guys?
Yknow, /k/ - Weapons? Not /k/ - Reddit's Schizophrenia?

>>34674410

Waiting for the F-47 to finally be developed to replace the P-47 but the number keeps being turned away for another number

>>34676536
Agreed, LGBT posters need permabanned.

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>>34676547
>Reddit and Nu-/pol/ need to be permabanned
FTFY my man. See attached chart for an explanation of why you and the rest of your ilk need to go back.

>>34676535
I'm sorry you keep mistaking nuance for, well, something? It's hard to pin down what point you're trying to make.

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>>34676566
>Redditposter uses nu/pol/ meme.
Git.

>>34676596
>t. Reddit
Nu-/pol/ is a thing and you'd acknowledge that as a fact if you weren't a nu-/pol/ redditor, faggot.
/pol/ is cancer. /pol/ has always been cancer, and /pol/ is even more cancerous now that it's a Reddit colony.
>inb4 "/k/ has always been /pol/'s personal army!"
Fuck off with the historical revisionism, jew.

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>>34676613
>when newfags go full newfag

>get denied from service because you have ADHD
>people with gender dysphoria are fine though

>>34675398
That's what some people believe. The evidence actually shows that it's treatable through other means, and that gender dysphoria when treated tends to fade during adulthood.

>>34676629
>someone who joined the site in 2016
>calling anyone a newfag
You can post old images all you want, that doesn't change the fact that you're the newfag here and always will be. Fuck off back to >>>/r/The_Donald or whatever rock you crawled out from under, and take your buddies with you.

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>>34676345
I understand your hesitation to Paul McHugh but I don't think he came to his conclusion because of his religion. the american foundation for suicide prevention conducted a survey with a fairly large sample size and found that 41% attempted suicide.

people go through sugary they don't need for a psychological problem and find out it doesn't fix their problem.

the failed parenting strategies and culture of perceived prejudice doesn't help ether

>>34676634
ADHD requires meds and is a mental illness, gender dysphoria requires bravery in the face of transphobia. Cis scum.

>>34676634
ADHD means you're unable to do simple tasks because you'll get distracted when a butterfly floats by and get people killed. Being trans doesn't preclude people from any jobs that aren't already essentially blocked off to women.

>>34676634
>be committed as child because your mother had munchausen syndrome by proxy
>try to enlist
>no sorry sir we can't take you

>be a tranny with over 300 confirmed suicide attempts
>COME RIGHT IN XIR

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>>34676672

I wonder what they did to this guy in prison?

>>34676692
>Being trans doesn't preclude people from any jobs that aren't already essentially blocked off to women.
Except for being a fucking weirdo

>>34676634
They actually enlist at a rate twice that of other demographic groups. Usually in an attempt to avoid the feeling GD creates by living in a aggressive lifestyle that matches their assigned gender.

>>34676744
No they dont.

>>34676674
You keep leaving off other factors, like the kind of backlash you see to their existence in this thread (and trans individuals are victimized at the highest rates among various demographics) as well as starting their new life being at a raised difficulty level.

The idea that it's because they got the treatment is false causality.

>>34676692
Being trans doesn't preclude problems, but having gender dysphoria does. Any sort of anxiety/depression disorder is grounds for immediate administrative dismissal from the armed forces.
>>34676744
According to a rand survey (http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html), there are between 1300 and 6000 active duty transgendered people (about 0.29% of the armed forces). Transgendered people make up about 0.3% of the total US population, so what you said is factually untrue.

>>34676714
i keked

>>34676714
What actually happens:
>Maybe being in the military will help me feel manly
>4 years later
>Well, that was great, but now I know it wasn't what I really needed, which is to embrace who I really am

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>>34676732
Guess how I can tell you've never been in the military

>>34676692
>you'll get distracted when a butterfly floats by
...
Do people actually think this is what ADHD is like?

>>34676764
Yes, they do. There's about a 10% enlistment rate across the board, Trans individuals, generally long before starting the process, enlist at a rate of 20%.

>>34676793
i do not trust anyone who is insecure in their masculinity around firearms. adding delusion to the mix is just a bad idea.

>>34676788
>raw numbers
>Not percentage of the population

>>34676800
I am, but I'm an officer. We only get educated fucking weirdos. It really makes the whole deal better.

>be physically a man
>mentally think that you're a woman
>somehow this is not mental illness
Your hormones are probably out of order, and like any other "hormonal imbalance" you get an NPQ. Good day.

>>34676820
>Implying you'd know
Manning was a complete shitcase with other serious problems. And nobody knew she was trans until after the Wikileaks shit.

>>34676839
>Implying that has ever been caught in MEPS

>>34676840
it's pretty easy to spot someone suffering from severe delusions. and no, he isn't fucking trans. he was brainwashed by the US government to send a message. they've done it before, mainly in MKUltra.

>>34676846
If I put on the medical documents "I think I'm a bird" MEPS personnel would very probably toss an NPQ my way. Probably.

Maybe if I was going aviation related they would let it sled.

>>34676817
3500 active duty trans people / 1.4 million total trans adults = 0.25% elistment rate
1373650 total active duty millitary personnel / 323000000 = 0.43% enlistment rate
Actually, trannies enlist at HALF the normal rate of the rest of the population
reallly
makes
you
THINK

>>34676770
They are literally held up as pinnacles of bravery in the media, woman of the year had penis, they are the most protected group in the LGBT community,

>backlash you see to their existence in this thread
4chan is not a reflection of larger society

NO MUTANTS ALLOWED
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>>34676864
http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2519-we-are-transgender-soldiers-what-you-should-know.html

I'm sorry you're so bad at math.

>>34676870
https://www.glaad.org/blog/2016-was-deadliest-year-record-transgender-people

>>34676852
>>34676854
Yeah, except it's not "delusions", it's a serious difference in the way their brains work.

And again, most are joining to try to reinforce their birth gender ideals, they aren't out about it at that point.

>>34676879
I'm sorry that you literally can't read. This study is more recent than the one that article talks about http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html

>>34676677
You almost had me there for a second

>>34676507
>Transgender individuals enlist at a rate double that of any other demographic.
They're also a smaller percentage of the population than any other demographic. 0.3% if we're being very generous by using activist numbers.

>Military medical expenditures on Viagra are 10x that of what is spent on transitioning individuals.
Again, you're playing this slimy trick where you compare a tiny population to a huge population and conviently ignore that disparity. An individual tranny is still a more expensive soldier than a normal dude, and provides absolutely zero benefit over a normal dude. If the military doesn't want to pay way more for the same product, that's a decision they're allowed to make.

>>34676895
is someone suffering from schizophrenia not under the control of a delusion?

>>34676879
>cracked
Uh-huh. I totally believe someone posting links to a leftist anti-gun site is a native of /k/ and not a Reddit immigrant at all

>>34676895
Delusions come from a malfunctioning brain. "Difference" is dysfunction. There is actually a normal way your brain works and that is to be a heterosexual. Homosexuals get a pass because we were mean to them in the past but their brains are dysfunctional too.

>>34676898
kek, I'm glad you got it

>>34676901
The majority transition after leaving service, and hormones aren't as expensive as you think.

I mean, seriously, if you were really this outraged over military medical costs and deployability, why not just call for the immediate removal from service of all HIV-positive personnel? Or those with cancer? Or were blown up by an IED?

>>34676902
GD isn't a delusion, and it's not the same thing as schizophrenia. Their minds are fully functional, they just operate the way they would for their somatic gender.

>>34676915
>Hurr ignore ebberryding link sez cuz dunt like it

>>34676917
And there's the /pol/ pop psych again.

>>34676933
>a person's brain acts as if the hallucinations rendering themselves as voices are normal
>this is a delusion

>a person's brain acts as if it is the opposite sex
>this is not a delusion

what the fuck is wrong with you

>>34676950
The fuck is wrong with you that you can't understand the difference?

You CAN'T fix the brain in GD because it's healthy, normal, and functional already. It just doesn't match the body.

>>34676943
I'm not a /pol/ pop psych. I've never studied psychiatry because it's all fluff. But it's very clear that there is a "normal" functioning individual. He or she is a heterosexual with no delusions of who they are or what they are. That's the basic definition. They are a Homo Sapiens heterosexual.

Anything aside from that is normal and you might be delusional yourself if you think otherwise.

>>34676968
>o-oh my magical mystical bullshit opinion says that this is normal because LMAO DUUUDE WE'RE FEMALE INSIDE DUUDE LMAAAOOO

you call this SCIENCE?

>>34676968
>healthy, normal, and functional
>gender dysphoria
You realize "dysphoria" means it's malfunctioning yea? So its not healthy nor normal. It may be functional but it's neither of the former two. That's the truth boy.

>>34676968
>Gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder (GID) is the dysphoria (distress) a person experiences as a result of the sex and gender they were assigned at birth.
>People with gender dysphoria may often experience significant distress and/or problems functioning associated with this conflict between the way they feel and think of themselves (referred to as experienced or expressed gender) and their physical or assigned gender.
Anxiety and depressive disorders are both grounds to deny enlistment, I don't see why trannies think they deserve special treatment.

>>34676971
The fact that you started from "only hetero is right" indicates you are operating from an extremely ignorant position.

>>34677031
Only hetero is right

>>34676979
>>34676982
>>34676998
You idiots don't seem to get that it's a function of how sexual differentiation happens in the first place. The default mode for a fetus is to go female until a hormone wash triggers the Y chromosome to react. Sometimes it doesn't work right. XY females are the result of it just not happening. GD is the result of the neural development either not reacting when it should, or reacting when it shouldn't. There's nothing in the brain to "fix" because it developed normally otherwise.

>>34677066
>the engine on this plane is designed to start up when you open the fuel valves, feed oxygen into it, and start the ignitor
>it didn't though but that isn't the engine having a problem, that's just the engine like deciding not to start and you can't say it's broken because that's discrimination you bigot

the blood of every transvestite that kills itself is on your hands, and your hands alone

>>34677066
I never said it was "unnatural", you collossal retard, I said that GID is a mental disorder that should prohibit your participation in the armed services. I'm not talking about fixing the brain either.

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>>34676887
>21 transgender women were killed in the United States, nearly all of them transgender women of color.

Unfortunately gays and trans people are heavily looked down upon in gang culture witch i guarantee is were most is if
not all of the incidents toke place

>>34677082
>ridiculously bad attempt at metaphor

>>34677084
How, exactly? There's roughly a 3-6 "Tooth to Tail" ratio, depending how you count it, of Support to Combat Arms roles in the modern military. Where exactly are you claiming they'd all go? Post-transition Trans men can keep up just fine in combat as well.

>>34677118
the fact that you understand that was a metaphor shows that you're attempting to avoid the point. stop being dishonest.

>>34677086
In the words of the great african-american philosopher and poet Earl Simmons "Man, cats don't know what it's gonna be
Fuckin' with a nigga like me
D to the M to the X
Last I heard, y'all niggas was havin' sex, with the same sex
I show no love to homo thugs
Empty out, reload and throw more slugs
How you gonna explain fucking a man?
Even if we squashed the beef, I ain't touching ya hand
I don't fuck with chumps, for those who been to jail
That's the cat with the Kool-Aid on his lips and pumps
I don't fuck with niggas that think they broads
Only know how to be one way, that's the dog
I know how to get down, know how to bite
Bark very little, but I know how to fight
I know how to chase a cat up in the tree
Man, I give y'all niggas the b'iness for fucking with me, is you crazy?!".
>>34677118
The sheer amount of POG in the modern US military (and ESPECIALLY the amount of people who are dedicated to bureaucracy and not even supporting combat troops) is the US army's single biggest weakness. The modern US military is incredibly wasteful, inefficient and bureaucratic. And post-transition trans men do not hold up fine in combat; They still suffer from weaker musculo-skeletal systems, which, much like women, makes them unfit for frontline combat.

>>34676366
DSM V is also panned by behavioural pediatricians as being unreliable.

>>34677166
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iboVvBJMrac

>>34677166

>The sheer amount of POG in the modern US military (and ESPECIALLY the amount of people who are dedicated to bureaucracy and not even supporting combat troops) is the US army's single biggest weakness.

every unit I have been to, our personnel support has been terrible,

>go TDY, then i need to do my own paperwork because they are too lazy or don't know how to do their jobs...

>pay issues? Not their problem, they only deal with travel claims...

i have literally had to pick up all the responsibilities of other MOS's just to do my job, and the best part is they whine about how busy their lives are while they sit in an AC cubicle all day...

Literally the most useless POGs. on the bright side, I always get looked at positively for knowing all about the personnel paperwork (my shit never gets rejected)

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>>34677236
This doesn't even work, wtf
>>34677290
Why the most well-funded military organization on earth hasn't turned to technology to alleviate their bureaucracy issues is fucking beyond me

>>34677335
>study thinks the only issue is cost, makes no mention of liability or the continuous maintenance needed
>genuinely thinks gays and lesbians are comparable to trans
Neat, into the trash it goes.

>>34677133
Yeah, no. It's a shitty metaphor with no real argumentative value.

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>>34677335
>policy changes to open more roles to women.... has no significant effect on unit cohesion, operational effectiveness, or readiness

>>34677210
That's really more because it's not regularly updated than anything, but the point's that they keep trying to use its presence in the DSM as a weapon but ignore that is says the opposite of what they want it to.

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>>34677335
>more roles to women
>had no significant effect on unit cohesion, operational effectiveness, or readiness
WELP, that's a crock of shit

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>>34677352
sure thing

>>34677335
That second half is all anyone needs to determine this entire study is worthless.

>>34676629
>1500767352898.png
Just because you saved an old image that you found a couple days ago doesn't prove shit newfag.

>>34677335
Homosexuals are not the same thing even remotely.

>>34676933
>The majority transition after leaving service,
Then just fucking do that. Transition after leaving. Not so fucking hard, is it you entitle little faggot? Fuck off.

>>34677335
>Also the gays did just fine!
Why the fucking shit are transsexuals lumped in with gays? One group has a sexual preference that has no impact on performance whatsoever, the other one is so uncomfortable with their own bodies that they mutilate them to the point they need constant upkeep and have a retardedly high suicide rate. It's absolutely un-fucking-comporable. Why do they do this? Not just with this study, but as a whole the T is lumped in with the LGB, and they are so obviously different that it hurts.

>>34677066
The default mode for a gamete is to only have 23 chromosomes, but sometimes an egg cell picks up an extra chromosome. Unfortunately, this results in down's syndrome and is grounds for being barred from military service.

>>34677873
Downs actually impairs your ability to serve, not the same thing.

>>34677880
So does gender dysphoria.

>>34676933
>The majority transition after leaving service
Citation fucking needed shitbag

>hormones aren't as expensive as you think
Even if that's true, still makes them more expensive than a normal soldier.

>I mean, seriously, if you were really this outraged over military medical costs and deployability, why not just call for the immediate removal from service of all HIV-positive personnel?
I would.

>Or those with cancer?
I'm pretty sure you get drummed out for cancer

>Or were blown up by an IED?
Apples and oranges. If you're wounded in the service, the service owes you. If you're fucked in the head to begin with and think you're the wrong sex, the service doesn't owe you jack shit.

>>34677854
Fucking this.

>>34677880
So does taking horomones that alter your body type.

>>34677892
>15,000 active servicemembers clearly show otherwise
Why do you have to lie, anon?

>>34677854
Definitely This

>>34677929
Firstly, there aren't 15,000 active transgender servicemen. There's only about 6,000 at most. Secondly, considering that transsexualism makes you administratively unfit for service, the second half of your statement is also false.

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>>34674410
>being so worthless you jump on the "f-35 is shit" meme like a retarded sprey groupie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pgiq-TlmSo
F-35 is a much more worthwhile investment than any transfuck that transitioned before or during service. Also, women are fucking worthless and whatever few benefits they bring do not outweigh the massive drawbacks they bring to the military. Trump needs to address the woman question next.

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>>34674410

>>34677961
The real number is closer to 250. Activist research is inherently untrustworthy, since "activist" is just a nice way of saying propagandist.

>>34676460
This, honestly what the fuck do /k/ mods even do? There's literally no reason a thread like this should still be up.

>>34677980
Manning should be shot for that emoji spam alone. Jesus Fuck the cringe is real.

>>34677980
>STOVL

>>34678024
the /k/ mod is the one defending transfags in the military. of course he (and I mean HE) is a faggot who doesn't do HIS job.

>>34676629
You can be an honest to god newfag and STILL see the fucking disparity from before and after the 2016 election. Before politics were isolated to /pol/ and if it was relevant to the thread it was sometimes brought up usually like 2 people shitposting back and forth while the rest of the thread went on.
Look at this thread, look at this goddan thread, there is NOTHING weapons related here, not a single goddamn weapons related thing in this thread on this board about weapons. You're delusional.

>>34678053
>>34678053
if that was true he would have deleted this thread already from getting BTFO'd

>>34678067
>if that was true he would have deleted this thread already from getting BTFO'd
You're implying trannies are competent.

>>34677961
>>15,000 active servicemembers
Jesus Christ, where are you pulling this bullshit number that has transsexuals hilariously over-represented in military service?

>>34677961
>>34678018
>Making up numbers

>>34678081
Wouldn't 15,000 put them like 10x more represented in the military than in the population as whole? That shit doesn't add up.

>>34678133
http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html

>>34678034
This, was he going for "sexually identify as attack helicopter" memes?

>>34678063
It's already 100% shitposting, might as well talk about the F-35. Do you think the new powerplant will allow for proper VTOL operations?

>>34678150
If you keep posting that report that says women perform just the same as men and neglects to mention things like dilation, maybe it'll be valid.

>>34678281
The numbers are valid; The reports that the rand study cites detailing unit readiness are all limited in number, scope, and confined purely to qualitative analysis, and not of quantitave analysis of a unit's combat abilities. The "data" presented in these sections can therefore be completely discounted.

>>34678608
Secondly, the studies only address unit cohesion in the short term: Nothing is mentioned in any of the ones cited about increased attrition for dysphoric soldiers.

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>>34677569
>saved an old image
>couple days ago

>>34674410

Kicking trannies out of the military is a step in the right direction but it doesn't go far enough. Transgenderism needs to be banned completely.

>>34678738
Not him but if you had lurked a bit more you would realize how "new" that image was saved. I'm not going to tell you how because then you would just start changing that on your images to save face from being a newfag.

For example the image you just posted was probably saved last year, maybe late in the year. I'd wager it was in mid November.

>>34678063
>whining about /pol/
Newfag stop.

>>34678787
you're the newfag here. that image was saved last week.

>>34678743
I mean I'm behind the military decision because it's practical and service is a privilege not a right, but why restrict what civilians are allowed to do to their own bodies? Do you hate freedom or something anon?

>>34678651
>Nothing is mentioned in any of the ones cited about increased attrition for dysphoric soldiers.
Compared to what? A lot more soldiers are non-deployable due to off-duty sports injuries than trans individuals in service.

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>>34678787
rather, his original image was last week. the image in >>34678738 was posted last month.

>>34678743
>First they came for the Trans, and I did not speak out...

>>34678868
You also can't control what retards do in their off time. Hormones reduce muscle mass and make you more prone to muscle tears, as well as reduce bone density. If you are dysphoric, you are also not mentally fit for duty.

>>34678917
And that doesn't even include non-deployable time for surgeries.

The military is not short on applicants. They can afford to be picky, and you can't blame them for picking soldiers who are less of a hassle and risk to deal with.

>>34678878
Oh man anon, does your glorious parable end with able bodied, non-suicidal men also being cut from the military? You're so fucking smart anon.

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>>34678878
>Then they came for the women, and I fapped to their shrieks of "MISOGYNY!!!"

>>34674410
>Transitioning post 18, kys
Blame your parents not the government

>>34674410
We care about the opinions of a traitor because?

>>34678878
Then they came for everyone else who wasn't fit for military service, and I did not speak out, because I was fit for military service.
Then they came for me, and gave me a promotion.

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>>34674410
OP here

thought I would have a really good F-35 thread, sorry to see y'all are triggered as shit by a transfat

there are tranny Delta operators but your fatasses shilling for LGTBBQ death camps instead of being appalled at the JSF is just... sad

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>>34679558
>Then they came for me, and gave me a promotion.
Did I hear that correctly?

>>34679603
pierre sprey pls go.

>>34679610
Fuck you, I haven't seen that in a while. Are you the dude that was pardoposting yesterday?
>>34679603
I want to, but i have ADHD, and unlike people with gender dysphoria I don't get special treatment

>>34679603
Fucking faggot

>>34679688
Nah man that wasn't me. I just miss my old memes.

>>34679740
Do you pardopost at least?

>>34679722
he was talking about the brand of beer you retard

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>>34679688
>ADHD
>No special treatment

>>34679795
Not in the military, no. Maybe everywhere else.

>>34679744
Sometimes. I'll catch that Miami Mutilator one day...

>>34679874
Yeah, I know what you mean. I got declared unfit for duty today, but I'll be fine. I've got pretty thick skin, after all.

>>34679603
You knew exactly what you were doing when you started this thread, OP

>>34679558
>Then they came for me, and gave me a promotion because I was complicit in the holocaust

>>34675303
But, it is?

Also Manning is to treason what Trump is to a real POTUS.

>>34680782
>excluding people unfit to serve Holocaust

holy shit anon thats the slipperiest slope I've ever seen! are you going to be alright?

>>34680854
>First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
>Because I was not a Socialist.

>Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
>Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

>Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
>Because I was not a Jew.

>Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
-Protestant Preacher in Germany who ended up in the camps

>On 31/05/1935 Jews were banned from German military, months before being stripped of citizenship.

>>34681002
>first they came for the trannies, and i did not speak out because i was not a tranny

>then they came for the niggers, and i did not speak out because i was not a nigger

>then they came for the women, and i did not speak out because i was not a woman

>then they promoted me since right about then we stopped having problems and everything was going quite well

>>34681058
>Implying they'll stop
>Implying you aren't a fucking Nazi if that's the lesson you take

>>34675255
This is what our society has come to. Men dressing like women and wearing black lipstick in public.

>>34681127
>WAAAAHHHH PEOPLE DO THINGS I DON'T LIKE!
I thought this was a free country.

>>34681101
If you believe in big government with with a mizzive military filled with dem programs youre also a Nazi

>>34681142
This is true.

Never forget that Nazi stands for National *Socialist*.

>>34676879
(((kiked)))

>>34681142
You're forgetting the extreme conservative social enforcement and focus on corporate power over the worker of Nazi Germany.

>>34681154
>Still repeating this blatant lie

>>34681141
>PEOPLE DO THINGS I DON'T LIKE
If you think this is still just about personal feelings or freedom then you're fucking deluded as trannies. Fucking libercucks

>>34681260
This whole lgbt /sex revoultion horseshit is just like a global "distorted social experiment" pushed by libercucks.

>>34681260
>Hurrr muh freedoms!
>STOP USING YOUR FREEDOM THE WAY I DON'T LIKE!

I think you're just squicked out and can't separate your feelings from others' rights.

>>34681281
>STOP DOING THINGS I DON'T LIKE WAAAAHHHHH

>>34681285
>>34681290
Maybe we should legalize murder, rape and peodphile as well because >WAAAAH I CAN ABUSE MUH FREEDOM WHATEVER I LIKE

>>34675398
>what the actual fucking medical science says

Show me the source to this claim. Show me how despite the multitudinous number of available treatments and possible ways of dealing with gender dysphoria, transition is the ABSOLUTE BEST way to deal with the dysphoria. Show me the data that explicitly states that NO OTHER treatment is viable and that genital mutilation and hormone therapy at prepubescent ages is the "right way" to treat a mental illness.

Holy fucking shit.

>>34681316
>lgbt, affects no one besides lgbt
>murder, rape, and pedophilia are all crimes that specifically target others
>comparable
Did you leave out bestiality because you like to fuck your dog?

>>34675722
Fucking argument Ad Populum! Just because a bunch of uninformed people in the medical community agree on something that doesn't give an argument any proof that it is valid. Doctors at one point agreed that treppaning is the only viable solution to mental illness.

>>34681285
>>34681290
Freedom is defined by rules and laws which usually cannot jeopardize other people and public. It doesn't mean you really can do whatever you like without limitation.

>>34681322
Ok, how's this for a study
>I want to be a girl!
>ok
Versus
>I want to be a girl
>time to pump you full of psychoactive drugs whose side affects include weight gain, depression, thoughts of suicide, loss of sex drive, mood swings, intense feelings of paranoia and anger, and they're all potentially permanent even if you stop taking them! . At least you get to keep your dingaling, kiddo. Too bad you'll never use it!

>>34681344
OK, you can add bestiality if you want it so much. Now go fuck your dogs, faagot.

>>34677066
>neural development either not reacting when it should, or reacting when it shouldn't
This is a malfunction of the fetus not developing properly you fucking dullard.

>There's nothing in the brain to "fix" because it developed normally otherwise
Not only is this developmental abnormality AN ABNORMALITY it causes significant distress in individuals with this problem.

TRANNIES AND LIBS ARE FUCKING DELUSIONAL

>>34681285
>others rights
Serving in the military isn't a right

>>34681285
>>34681290
>Hurrr muh freedoms!
>STOP USING YOUR FREEDOM THE WAY I DON'T LIKE!
You gonna use these as your defense in court when you're charged for crimes, too, right?

>>34681366
>>34681366
>I want to be a girl!
>ok
>time to pump you full of *hormones before puberty* which side affects include weight gain, depression, thoughts of suicide, loss of sex drive, mood swings, intense feelings of paranoia and anger, and they're all potentially permanent even if you stop taking them! . At least you get to *get transitional surgery that costs thousands of dollars and still leaves you with a chance of feeling post transitional depression while you dilate your mangina every day for two hours*

>>34674410
So, they are both shitty Obama era failures? Ok.

>>34678053
Is our mod a fucking shemale?

>>34681412
>loss of sex drive
why do so many of them work as whores then? like against their natural inclination?

>>34678053
what if they are a ftm tranny and enjoy when you call them he?

>>34681366
>ok

Cmon at least be honest. Transition also includes pumping the body full of drugs and hormones at levels not intended (resulting in depression, loss of libido, suicide etc), followed by mutilation of genitals that, by the way, is incredibly psinful, requires constant treatment, and is irreversible if they "change their mind" about their gender in the future.

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>>34681344
>lgbt affects no one besides lgbt
Wtf is STD? Muh sex revolution? Muh fluid genders? Muh fag parades? Muh fag marriage? Muh tranny toliets? Muh "lgbt ambassadors"? You fucking degenerate force governments bend laws just to pander to your perversion, and your toxic lgbt propaganda literally infest half of the world now, including children and military, you fucking asshole.

>>34681450
They get kicked out by family, cant find work because of appearance, mental instability, etc.

Its quite sad really. Truth is they would be happier in a mental institution

>>34681495
Trans mental institution utopia, we'll call it...
TRANSYLVANIA!

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>>34681509

oooh

We're not allowed to talk about gun laws but this shit is fine. I lost all faith in the mods years ago, but this just reaffirms it.

>>34681242
>being this in denial

Hitler was a socialist. The Nazis were not right wing. Cry more stormfag.

>>34681743
>lemon turkey

Hmm, how does that stack up to pepper and honey turkey?

>>34681468
If you don't want STDs, don't fuck slutty people. None of that other stuff hurts anyone. You're just mad because your stupid sky grandpa doesn't like it.

>>34681710
>>34681731
looks as one of those wikipedia torrent client comparisons

Q. What are the two most difficult job in the United States Marine Corps?
A. Coming out, and Transitioning.

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>>34675255

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>>34674410

>F-35

Still worth more than these degenerates

>>34681400
How the fuck is the original whine about what somebody chooses to wear the same thing, asshat?

>>34681468
>Shit that literally has zero effect on your life
Being assholes to the LGBT community literally retarded HIV/AIDS research because at the time it was fine to ignore because it was a "fag disease" and they "deserved it."

Fucking Kek

>>34675678
It would have cost more to not develop it

>>34681830
Yeah, no. Not in the least. I mean, I get it. You got tired of the fact that you share the Nazi social views, so your side created this ridiculous myth that the Nazis were left wing despite every other fact to the contrary.

>>34681830
Hitler killed all the left wing elements in his party on the night of the long knives, the socialism was all a ruse to try and gain popular support from working class voters; it meant nothing once they were in power, their closest allies were millitary industrialists and upper class conservatives (the old officer class).

People who say that they were socialists are just buthurt conservatives who get upset when people call them Nazis.

Also F-35>F-22

>>34679688
>I have ADHD, I don't get the same privilege a transexual does

If you slowed down and used your noggin you'd realise forming a pro-ADHD medication pressure group for the military would be the logical conclusion to this

>>34681242
>corporate power over the worker of Nazi Germany.
Whut? National Socialism didn't make profit a sin like Leninism, but the worker's councils still had more power than the business owners and the economic policy was explicitly anticapitalist. The impact of your business decisions was weighed by a government council that had union representation on it before you were allowed to idle factories, sell a business, lay off workers, or change location. Everything had to be done in service to what the council saw was in the national interest, not just in the interest of profit.

>>34682534
>Still not showing how they were a socialist system

>>34682345
>their closest allies were millitary industrialists
Which is, of course, why they failed to fully convert their industrial output to full wartime production until they'd already been at war 4 years, but the US did it in 6 months.

No, the industrialists did not have as much power in Nazi Germany as they did in the United States. Their economic councils had strong worker representation and more power over a business than it's actual owners.

>>34681412
>still leaves you with a chance of feeling post transitional depression while you dilate your mangina every day for two hours
I looked into this awhile back and this process is so that it doesn't close back up because the body doesn't realize that their "mangina" isn't a gaping wound needing of closing.

Truly we have strewn too far from the light and now the event horizon is long gone

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>>34682345
>Also F-35>F-22

congrats on making what is undeniably the worst post in this thread

>>34682544
>basic living allowance*
>family subsidies*
>universal* healthcare
>government councils with union representation have veto power over capitalists
>rampant nationalization of industries

*albeit only if you meet racial purity standards.

>>34682622
You realize that conservative didn't mean libertarianism, right?

>>34678868
Uh
Transfags still have all the risk factors of other soldiers you retarded faggot. They just add issues to existing issues.

>>34682905
>Transfags still have all the risk factors of other soldiers you retarded faggot
Except they really don't.

>>34683003
Except they really do, you dingus

>>34682544
>National Socialists
Wew lad

>>34674410
The value of BTFOing something must've gone down the shitter, because I'm pretty sure one tranny tweeting it's hormone-addled opinions doesn't mean shit..

>>34681101
They'll stop after they continue banning women from combat roles, retard. And they already came for me, I'm unfit for military service, but I didn't see you entitled faggots throwing a hissy fit when they published AR 40-501

>>34683260
>Still pretending those elements weren't purged

>>34683283
Not from the military. those people already weren't allowed to join in pretty much every cunt at the time.

>>34683321
You're just being stupidly contrarian now.

The only thing "socialist" about the party once Hitler and his clique had total control was the name.

>>34683332
Prove it faggot.

>>34683332
Stop yelling at me, I didn't say the party was socialist, you've got the wrong guy :c

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>>34683332
oops. I dropped this pic. silly me. please excuse me.

>>34675722
The same community that used to use leeches for blood letting?

>all these cucks calling it treason
guess you bootlickers like it when the US military kills children and first responders while laughing about it on your tax dollars, huh?

>>34683558
>release government secrets
>not treason

testing ban

>>34683562
The American people deserved to know. Shouldn't have been classified on the first place. Manning committed treason against the corrupt government, not the American people. You probably think Daniel Ellsberg and Edward Snowden are traitors as well, don't you, booklicker?

>>34677066
Chromosomes can be XX or XY anything else is mutation

>>34683605
The difference being that obama didn't parden snowden, faggot. Manning was only pardoposted for political reasons.

>>34683530
>Science never advances!

>>34683622
>Doesn't understand that it isn't just the chromosomes
Fucking pop science idiots.

>>34683643
Technically she was only commuted, not pardoned.

>>34683663
What was her new punishment?

>>34683680
Her sentence was commuted to time served. A pardon means they've been forgiven of the crime.

>>34683702
How much time did she serve up to that point?

>>34682503
Wasting the military's time, money, men, and manhours on lawsuits, medication, extra unnecessary paperwork, gasoline, transportation vehicles, is not the logical conclusion to this, it's the selfish conclusion to this. Why waste all that on men who aren't fit to serve instead of men who don't have that problem? I suppose we should push for wheelchair bound men in the military too.

>>34683709
7 years.

>>34683643
well, snowden foiled their plans to turn him into a woman

>>34683709
Its a fucking he. You can't change your sex.

>>34683874
This is actually an interesting question. What is the least severe punishment you would accept a sex change to avoid?

>>34677166
The question remains, is the dog out?

>>34683957
wrong song you NIGGER

>>34677166
from what i gather reading this poem cats are gay and dogs are homophobic

>>34683709
>she
You can stop coddling a mentally ill traitor anytime, sweetie.

>>34684026
piss off caramel

>>34682503
Or, think about this: maybe nobody with a mental disorder should be allowed in the military.

>>34683657
>Me, an intellectual: everyone who disagrees with me is a pop sci idiot

>>34684365
If you disregard the extreme complexity of how everything interacts during development for "it's just the chromosomes" then yes, you are.

>>34682503
Oh yeah, waste the military's time, money and resources with retarded activism in order to pressure them into wasting their time, money and resources on more expensive soldiers when they could just recruit people who don't need meds instead. Truly, this is the behavior of someone who cares about their country and not just a selfish asshole who only cares about themself

>>34682213
Stop lumping gay people in with trannies you fucking leftist shit. It's not fair to the gays.

>>34684403
>Implying the military doesn't have the resources when it already spends 10x as much on boner pills than for transition-related care

>>34684429
>implying there aren't better things that the money on boner pills and transition healthcare could be spent on
>implying retarded activism is justified in incurring more costs to the military

>>34684429
>this fallacy again
For one thing, you're comparing apples to oranges by looking at the total number. If you break it down by individual, the individual tranny is way, way more expensive than the individual getting Viagra.

Two, just because there's already wasteful spending doesn't justify more wasteful spending. Ounces turn into pounds, cents turn into dollars, and millions turn into trillions.

>>34675365
>i'm starting to think that leftism is a form of mental illness
>starting to
Unless you're recovering from post-pubescent leftism to spite your parents like a degenerate, you must be pretty slow.

>>34674410
The whole LGBT community is just like a distorted social experiment.

Once a degenerate, always a degenerate.

>>34684429
People like you are why we have an enormous national debt.
>hurr durr we already have a shit-ton of pointless spending, so more won't hurt
x500 beaurocrats
>Duuuuh, why is the national debt so high? I don't understand

>>34684429
>unironically using that fallacy-riddled comparison that didn't even bother to mention how 90% of the Viagra consumers are retired or are spouses
To say nothing of the many fucking uses Viagra has. That was a painfully awful attempt by the media to downplay the costs of an individual tranny in service.

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>>34684465
Whatever do you mean?

>>34684454
>Hurr different politics iz bad
How does it feel to be an asshole?

>>34684442
>>34684449
>>34684528
>Real numbers are hard!

>>34684529
>Pride parades are about being free to express who you are openly in a ridiculous way specifically as a middle finger to assholes who want you to just stay hidden and suppressed

Conservative America is a shithole.

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>>34685199

go be a degenerate somewhere else

>>34685218
Don't you have some shit to kick?

>>34685160
>I have no argument

I don't know much about the situation. I'm tempted to think that transgendered people could probably serve just fine in office/desk style roles but that combat roles wouldn't really work if they were trying to transition during services.

I mean, I read about the procedure and it seems actually transitioning is a very serious medical procedure that means you will scheduled and rigorous medical care in that area for at least a year. I don't see how that would work in any type of combat role.

>>34685509
combat medics should be trained to provide field transitioning surgery and post-op support

that way it will be possible to make the soldiers into girls right on the battlefield :^)

>>34685508
>Hurr yurr numbers iz invalid cuz muh feels

>>34685509
>I'm tempted to think that transgendered people could probably serve just fine in office/desk style roles

they can't even work in the private sector, 45% of them attempt suicide and most of them are unemployed

>>34685622
>Implying that's not an external factor from potential employers

>>34685696
the US military is a potential employer, why would they hire someone who's too inept to flip burgers?

>>34685594
I think you're confusing me with someone else. Feels have nothing to do with my argument. My argument is that you are comparing apples to oranges in a dishonest way by comparing the numbers from two groups of vastly different sizes instead of looking at it on an individual level.

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>>34685761
I think you're responding to bait.

>>34685761
The complaint is that the relatively small number of TG servicemembers is "too expensive", it's not dishonest to point out a non-critical medical cost that's significantly higher but nobody cares about.

>>34685199
>Pride parades are about being free to express who you are openly in a ridiculous way specifically as a middle finger to assholes who want you to just stay hidden and suppressed
In that case, the next pride parade should be in Dearborn, MI.

>>34685622
Following up on that, do we know if TG veterans commit suicide at an even greater rate than civilian TGs or vets in general? I imagine this is a lot of stress we'd be placing them under. I mean, is this a situation where you say "you bought the ticket so you take that ride" or do you excercise some benign paternalism and say "this isn't the job for you"?

I just don't see joining the military, being TG, then what, after basic and individual training (I'm a civilian don't know all the steps) you what? Transition and you're out for a few months and need regular medical attention down there for at least a year? How does this help anyone?

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>>34685822
those numbers are absolutely halal.

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>>34685822
>>34686011
Nice

>>34686113
At least something verging on OK came from this thread

>>34675398
>adjusting the body to come in line with the mind
they want to be female, but they will never be female
they can have a horrific hormone imbalance and mutilate their genitals, but they will never become a female.

>>34676566
>using the AnCom flag for >heli rides

>>34685956
No, the complaint is that an individual tranny costs more to maintain than an individual normal soldier, while providing no benefit over a normal soldier, and therefor the military is entirely justified in its decision to not pay more for the same product. The US military is not a social program that's there to validate you and make you feel included and special. The US military is there to defend the American taxpayer, and as such they have an obligation to give the taxpayer the best value for their money that overrides your feels.

>>34686310
>Providing all able-bodied Americans the opportunity to serve is bad

>>34686310
https://www.armywtfmoments.com/2017/07/transgender-female-captain-u-s-army/

>>34686734
It's an interesting story. And its one I'm sensitive.

But I think you'll probably have an issue of anecdotal evidence.

Of course the success stories will write about it. Aside from suicides (I don't mean to sound crass), how many people are screwed up and won't write "my life was hell and I wasn't 100% there because I was so uncomfortable with my body?"

FWIW I think Trump was going too far in announcing his intention to ban transgendered people from serving at all. But its also an issue of timing-- are we now saying to people its okay to join and then get medical payments for transitioning? When? How is it to be done? If it is some sort of medical issue can the Army say to someone now isn't the right time? Prior, that army captain had to wait because there was a policy in place.

The situation strikes me as more complex than the captain presents. And the subtext of her article was how deeply uncomfortable she was with herself. So these are the people we want to put in (potentially) very stressful situations? I'm sympathetic to some compromise but not yet sold.

>>34686615
If you need special medication, you're not able bodied.

>>34686848
The suicide rate you keep quoting though is attempts, not actual deaths. And has no context of if it's while they're closeted, during treatment, or after, and what kind of life problems they had going on that amplified things that much. It seems the case for soldiers transitioning that it's actually a much more supportive environment than a lot of civilian life, where coming out can mean becoming homeless.

>>34687217
So the 1SG on chronic pain meds because of 15 years humping a ruck but can still do it better than half the privates isn't "able-bodied"?