Hand gun ammo (5.7x28mm)

Is expensive and hard to find, depending where you are geographically.
>glorified 22 mag

Out of a 5" barrel 5.7mm is hardly 'high velocity'. Plus, unless your work is aimed at teenagers, it will come off as fairly tryhard.

Of course if your character is some sort of FN fanboy it may be justified.

>>34657475
>2017
>Not knowing .25-20 winchester 67grain has more M/E than 5.7

>>34657496
>>34657513

It's a sci-fi piece with a character who has a Bonner for earth guns.
The character has an undermount electrolaser the uses a laser induced plasma channel to make. He uses laser to taze his targets then makes two quick shots.

When he walks into the gun store he is more interested in a pistol that's light, quick, and he can wield like a scalpel.

What gun would you tell him to buy?
He wants to be able to undermount his electrolaser and have high ammo capacity.

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>>34657536
Yeah I am a noguns who doesn't really know what any of that means.

>>34657600
Well that changes things. Naturally if you can justify the availability of a niche (by today's standards) pistol in your universe then go for it. Depending on how distant your story is to our time I somewhat doubt it; since the ammo is both proprietary and rare even today.

>>34657600
For practical I would say a sig p229
>for shits and giggles a kel-tec pmr-30

>>34657536
Tell me, easier or more difficult to find a semi-auto that shoots the damn thing compared to FN's nonsense?

>>34657670
It's modern day time. Character has access to copies of any guns available today. (All attempts to make contact with earth have ended badly,. Last time an ambassador tried to meet with earth government, the USA shot him out of the sky and kept him alive while they began the dissection, he didn't pass till the fourth day. No more attempts have been made to make contact.)

Nearby planet thrives by selling earth culture and high quality knock-offs. They try to make them identically to how we do.

Should charter just switch to some type of 9mm.

>>34657763
In that case you could go wild. The 5-7 sounds like a pretty good choice for your character but it is rather generic. That said, unless guns play a significant part in your story I'm not sure anyone but /k/ommandos would notice.

>>34657475
>(He works in tight, close quarters on ship, so pistol is sensible.)
Wow it's almost like the exact situation the P90 was designed for, you fucking moron.

>>34657794
P90 uses 5.7 right. He could use that in SHTF scenario. But for EDC he combos his pistol with a slick sci-fi dagger-sword-retractable-handle-thing.

>>34657791
Any exotic gun ideas? Gun fighting is this characters main thing. He is in a bat shit world filled with wizards, evil A.I. controlled robots, crazy beasts, creatures from the dark, along with a few homebrew races.

All he has is a little tech and his love of earth firearms.

>>34657721
Sig could work.
I always pictured the gun as a striker. Something with a hammer could work though.

>>34657881
So Shadowrun?

>>34657928
CZ p10. Not the p10c, but the unreleased full size. Future czechnology.

>>34657881
5.7 sounds pretty appropriate to me. Low recoil and good performance against human sized targets. He might struggle a bit against 'crazy beasts and creatures from the dark'.

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>>34657475
Hey OP, I'm a writer too. If your character will have difficulty supplying himself or being supplied with this specific and fairly rare cartridge (sometimes referred to as a snowflake round) then that is a very bad choice. If your character has a very high likelihood of dealing with threats with very high quality body armour, then it might be a bit more reasonable provided he can carry enough ammo. At 20 rounds per mag if memory serves me right, he should be able to carry 60 rounds on his person (1 mag in pistol and 2 spare) without issue. Though I don't know how concealable the design is having never so much as held the FiveseveN before. In fact I don't think I've ever even seen one.

If ammo might be an issue, you might be better off going with a 9mm design. Being in such widespread use, I'm sure there's some very capable AP loadings that would probably penetrate not far off from as well as 5.7x28. If concealability is needed, that's a whole different ball of wax. I'm not too knowledgeable on concealable pistols personally because my speciality is more Military stuff.

On a side-note, what are you writing for? Going to self-publish? If so, I can most certainly help you out if you're not familiar with the process.

>>34657475

IS HIS NAME DIRK PITT

>>34657763
Why use a such a rare caliber? Personally I think big fat 45 rounds are way meaner looking than those needles, if it's a personal choice I'd think you would want something more intimidating. Plus the versatile range of ammo available for common calibers(rubber for less lethal shots, subsonic rounds for silencing, maybe some kind of sleep dart or explosive round if you really wanna get crazy) makes for more narrative choices.

Some good ones that I know can be trusted are the FNP/FNX(from the same company that makes the Five SeveN), the Heckler and Koch USP,
the Magnum Research Baby Eagle/IWI Jericho, and the Walther PPQ. All great guns, all tactically useful and cool, and all available in 9mm, 40 and 45 caliber. If you want to add an extra cool factor, have them modded to a wildcat round like 357 SIG, 400 Cor-Bon or 460 Rowland. Just because they try to make them identical doesn't mean they can't still mod them up if well-paid, right?

If you want something futuristic, try the Boberg XR45. It's got this wonky action that makes for a regular barrel in a compact gun. You could also go with the Chiappa Rhino, the revolver with the underhanded barrel for reduced recoil, but both of those are low on ammo.

I also think you should consider some classics, like the Para 14-45 (a Colt 1911 with a double-stack clip, twice the ammo) the Savage Model 1910 (was almost the Army's main gun, but lost to the Colt 1911), the Auto Mag(one of the only 44 Magnum guns that's not a revolver, looks like a massive Golden Gun) or the immortal CZ-75.

See how many options you can have if you give up on that round?

>>34659025
>summer kamp
Tell me more of these double stack clips

>>34659111
Baby hands detected

Also, trips

>>34659025
>But muh fourdyfuv is intimidatin

To who? They guy loading the damn things? Baddies aren't going to stop, ask for your magazine, check out the round and go "Whoa shit, what a tough slow bullet."

>>34658650
It's a fantasy sci-fi novel I am working on. I liked the idea of the 5.7 but talking about it, I think he needs to switch to a 9mm. (Just being realistic about availability)

Character shouldn't have need for concealing, universes are moderately armed. With wizards and races that can access innate magics, "ordinary people" keep weapons at the ready.

the character doesn't have much person verse person experience right now. He will make adjustments as he learns. He is really a smaller character overall. One day he'll make it to first mate of a space pirating crew.

I haven't really thought of publishing. My hobby is writing when I am not DMing D&D sessions.

>>34659025
In book 2 when character joins pirate crew he gets a Colt 1911(.45 7-round mag) to mimic the captain in his own way. Captain fancies himself a cowboy and wears a Colt 1873 SAA revolver as his side arm.

I will probably just drop the 5.7 for a 9mm.

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>>34659025
The Walther PPQ looked interesting. I hadn't really read up on them before. Character makes a few mods along the way.

>>34657881
>5.7 versus robot ai
Yesssss

It's a meme round, however, its snowflake status comes from an unnecessary need to penetrate armor.
If I was fighting robots with a handgun there's no cartridge short of full magnum I'd rely on other than 5.7. It's basically a cute intermediate rifle round in design.

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9mm. 5.7x28

>>34659352
Fair enough, that's far from my cup of tea but to each their own. If you think about publishing and would like a heads-up on what it's like then go ahead and shoot me an email.

[email protected]

>>34657475
What does he do though?

If he's some kind of operator and has to deal with armoured opponents(as in with body armour) then 5.7 is great. Otherwise switch it for some 10mm and call it a day, it's still "futurist" but more practical iin that use.

>>34657600
>What gun would you tell him to buy?
>He wants to be able to undermount his electrolaser and have high ammo capacity.

>Cramped quarters on a ship
The best submachinegun his budget will float

>Boner for Earth firearms
The best Earth submachinegun his budget will float

>Boner for earth firearms available in 2017
P90 submachinegun probably - there are other smgs that are just as good but they're mainly "just as good" based on price, supply lines etc./ and if he can use Space Economy to ignore that, then probably the P90.

>Boner for earth pistols available in 2017
The biggest handgun he can comfortably wield and carry. This is not the FN 5-7, which is a relatively small pistol mainly useful to people who already own a P90 smg, who therefore have 5.7mm ammo on hand.

>>34657855
Why do I have a feeling that this is REALLY good bait?

>>34661813
I think he just doesn't know any better, honestly.

>>34657617
.25-20 is an old rifle cartridge used for small game. 67 grains is the mass of the bullet. There are 7000 grains in a pound. The rest of the world just uses the metric system, but America still uses grains for bullet weight. ME stands for muzzle energy, which is the kinetic energy of the bullet when it leaves the muzzle. Does that all make sense?

If we're going for sci-fi with regular pistol the Mateba is literally the only way to go.

>>34662208
best post

>>34662175
Yeah I understand that now. I got lost on the M/E earlier. But it makes sense now.

>>34662208
I looked into it but characters whole world and life is sci-fi. He doesn't need a gun that fits the sci-fi culture. He wants something proven and reliable for our own culture. A real defender of freedom kind of gun.

>>34657475
Just for shits and giggles, give your protag a Baby Browning or a Beretta Jetfire in an ankle holster. .25ACP mouse guns.

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>>34657475

9mm Glock 17

>most popular handgun caliber can be found anywhere in the world
>17 round magazine, with optional 33 round
>polymer doesn't rust
>reputation for reliability
>used by civilians and governments worldwide
>with minor tweaks can be fired reliably underwater

Haven't you seen pic related?

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>>34662975

To further elaborate, 5.7 is designed to be AP, however it is not available as AP to civilians in the USA. We get cucked rounds the SS195LF and SS197SR that are specially made not to be AP to meet ATF regulations. So one of the major reasons to choose the 5.7 caliber won't be possible if your character isn't a government employee or has some contrived black market hookup.

>>34657475
A sbr chambered in 7.62x39 is better.

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>>34657475
You won't find a better handgun to use

>>34663365
True, true.... Can't stand the D/BEagle branding, though.

>>34657475
this project sounds interesting so does he like rape them before he kills them or does he do it after?

>>34663402
No matter how much you beg, I am not going to start writing snuff fantasy for you.

>>34663753
Well he's going around killing people are you trying to say your character has some ethical line in a bullshit made up story? he's a serial killer wtf is your problem. somehow rape is worse than murder to you?

>>34663753
just admit it you're a sick little puppy, like the whole story isn't some sick snuff thing already.

>>34663766
Read the thread.

>Character has almost no experience fighting person Vs person.

He has grown up fighting beast, robots, monsters, etc. I don't know where you read that he is killing people. After three books he has only used his fun on humans twice.

>>34657475
you sound like a turbofaggot.

>>34663830
Maybe it is. But this is a minor character who just wants some gun options to replace his five seven.

>>34663766
there are situations where you legitimately need to kill someone. there's no legitimate situation where you need to rape them too, before or after.

>>34663837
oh sure that makes it okay. meat is murder pal.
>>34664032
>there's no legitimate situation where you need to rape them too, before or after.
sure there is, what if they're a lolicon
>>34663936
22lr bullet bounces around in people

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>>34663873
Really, that's the best you got.

Shame

>>!34664144
kys

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>>34664144

>>34663837
>Beasts and robots

Errm...assuming these monsters are comparable to bears, a combat pistol is underpowered. If they are paralyzed before being shot up close execution style then this makes little difference. That said, S&W makes some railed revolvers that are powerful enough to hunt with if, say, for some reason his stun lazer doesn't work. Heavy, big, and limited capacity, but a .44 magnum will take down anything that walks on Earth.

A wondernine or 5.7 makes sense, though the latter has logistical issues being a snowflake round. If he's a survivalist get his ass into reloading. I suggest getting a 10mm but the character seems somewhat frail so recoil may be a problem.

>>34665987
He has a 7-mag .45 ACP as his back up. I am going to switch the five seven to some kind 9mm. I have been looking at Walther PPQ.
>>34659600
In another thread I read that (pic related) wasn't a real PPQ. I don't know what that's about.

Was also considering adding a shotgun, with all the ammo available now, plus the minds of other plants. There is a good chance that he could get his hands on some unique ammo.

>>34657475
5.7 is the opposite of proven ammo. It gives off more of a tacticool mallninja vibe. Just look up a list of various service pistols and choose the country your character would identify with the most.

Get him to use a Tokarev and have it shoot 9 rounds every single time he uses it to piss off the slavaboos

>>34657475
Personally id give him a 9mm but have him specifically mention that he's used to making due with whatever he can get his hands on.

Im imagining this isn't the kind of guy who can get whatever gear he wants. in which case the combination of 9mm getting the job done, being available almost everywhere, and not being quite so ear rapingly loud in the tight metallic confines of a ship would probably be right up his alley.

>inb4 not naturally subsonic lik FUDDYFIVE
Maybe im crazy but even 230gr .45 will give me a little reee through just ear muffs, i never have that problem with even supersonic 9mm and the subsonic stuff is downright pleasant by comparison.

For a main weapon it's hard to go wrong with a 12g for extremely close quarters on a budget. something else might make more sense under other circumstances(many enemies, body armor, etc).

>>34658503
I held one of those the other day and I wasn't impressed. I love me some cz 75 but the polymer guns feel like cheap shit imo.
>>34657475
Give him old slab sides (1911)

>>34658756
Dirk Pitt carries a 1911 last I checked. Juan Cabrillo carries a FiveSeven. Or like... four FiveSevens...
Clive lost his mind at some point.

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>>34657881
you could go old school and use a tokarev tt-33 , a russian ww2 handgun that shoots 7.62x25 ,7,62x25 is sometimes thought of as 5.7's grandad.
pic related 9mm for scale.

>>34667155
>.45 acp as backup

What in the fuck is this?

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>>34665829
I'm just trying to kill the thread.

>hay guise shoot robots n monsters n stuff but needz non magic gun for teh realdisms so can skeets loads all over reald pepple

please quit trying to shit up fantasy with realism it's honest the biggest thing that bothers me about most media.

>>34669779
Realism is your biggest problem with most media?

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>>34669354
as in backup or ill shoot you

>>34670094
No my problem is they try to shoe horn realism into totally unrealistic things then you get retarded normies going on about gun memes like pistol grip makes it firing better from the hip, the shoulder thing that goes up, you don't have to shoot to kill you can just shoot them in the leg, ect. It's fantasy the reality stuff just makes it boring. If you're going to throw realism in with monsters and stuff it's like how do all these people keep breeding so many they all get killed constantly in small squablles and mass murder full of armies like entire populations would be wiped out all the time in these fantasy novels even just ignoring monsters that seem to live off eating humans like the amount of time effort resources it takes to breed a human and raise it to an adult vs the amount of danger and how often people die in these stupid fantasy things the monsters would fucking starve to death and humans would be extinct.

>>34670979
All these concerns you have are non existent, you know nothing of this project. The points you made are great points but not an issue in this project. You seem to be filling in the blanks with your own ideas, then criticizing those ideas.

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He should duel wield nines.

>>34657475
You talking about John Wick?

>>34674733
I am no Derek Kolstad