Winter War Thread

>>34653743
Not use niggers in their armed forces.

>>34653743
>What did they do right, /k/?
russia? nothing

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>>34653743
Don't mind me, just waiting for this thread to dissolve into a Simo Hayha circlejerk.

>>34653743
The Finns did everything right, redeeming themselves of their dirty Mongolian heritage.

>>34653743
The Finns stayed mobile, and never let the Soviets bring their numbers to bear. Sting and run, sting and run, baiting the Soviets deeper and deeper into their backyard, and slowly breaking up the Soviet groups. Eventually, The Soviets found themselves fragmented into smaller groups, which were barely mobile. The Finns then just danced around on skis, in territory they knew like the back of their hands, and were able to encircle and destroy the isolated Soviet pockets.

>>34653935
Also a fuckton of Pervitin.

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>>34653935
Or, to rephrase, this >>34653867. There's no reason the Finns should have won. The Soviets screwed the pooch on a biblical scale.

>>34653962
Well, they didn't "win". They lost territory in the war.

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>>34653743
massacred bolshevic filth

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>>34653962
>There's no reason the Finns should have won.
They didn't. They fought the Soviets to something of a standstill and negotiated a truce. Though in reality had Stavka decided to push even a couple weeks more, the defense would have fallen entirely and the war would have been decisively lost.

>>34654147
>>34654202
>soviets wanted entire country
>got minor territorial concessions
>Finland just wanted to keep existing
>good thing the Fin's didn't win...otherwise they might still have a country.

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>>34653935
>and never let the Soviets bring their numbers to bear.
But that's wrong. The Karelian isthmus specifically allowed for this and due to a massive artillery and tank superiority the Soviets eventually broke through the lines and took Viipuri as the war ended and ceasefire was already in effect.

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>>34654236
Finland didn't win. It was a stalemate ended in a treaty due to a definite strategic impossibility and severe attrition. A few more weeks and one more offensive would have broken the Finnish defence entirely. The road to the capital and rest of Finland was almost open.
>minor territorial concessions
A tenth of its territory and population. Though the latter were evacuated almost to a man.

>>34654236
>America wanted to preserve SV
>hammer NV to accept terms of surrender
>SV existed with the signing of the treaty

>>34653743
They were invaded by an enemy force that was in shambles. The finns couldve been armed by confetti and the russians would most likely lose similar amounts of manpower.

Finland didnt do great, Soviet union did extremely bad. There's a difference, although i do concede that the finns fought bravely.

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>>34654554
>that was in shambles
Nigger what? The Finns were the ones in absolute shambles. The Soviets had well equipped full-strength armies with plentiful artillery and tanks, while some Finns didn't even have uniforms and had so little ammunition they couldn't even provide proper fire missions.

>>34654579
Never underestimate the power of a bunch of pissdrunk scandinavians.

>>34654644
>scandinavians.
Does not include Finland.

>>34654644
Finns are mongolian

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>USSR sends badly trained soldiers from south with no will to win.
>leaders are bad.
>equipment is bad.
>can't ski

Modern day Finland
"we military superpower now"

Reality
Would get raped from from both sides.

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>>34654758
>from both sides
but Sweden unofficially supported Finland
>inb4 not Simo Hayha
I know

>>34654579
This is true, but the finns weren't (for the most part) the attacking force. Being the devensive element has some large benefits, such as logistics being more forgiving, AT guns can provide similar tasks of a tank, etc.

They also had a friendly neighbour in the south-west who didn't mind donating to their cause.

>>34654758
I dont know about that, Finland is a lot more prepared than they were during the winter war (but of course, so is everybody else).

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>>34654758
>equipment is bad.
Guess how I know you know jack-shit about the conflict?

>>34654794
>AT guns can provide similar tasks of a tank, etc.
Partially, yes, but there was a lack even of AT guns. The military was extremely ill prepared because of communists and retarded politicians thinking there would be no war.
>They also had a friendly neighbour in the south-west who didn't mind donating to their cause.
The Krauts? They were the ones who sold Finland to the Soviets in the first place. Support only started in the Continuation War.
Of course if you're talking about the Swedes, then they did indeed offer some, albeit much needed logistical help.

>>34654820
Again, yes, the finns were extremely ill-prepared, but the Soviets were even more so, and they were the ones expected to show decisive initiative, which they were completely unable to do.

The swedes donated an enormous amount of material and support, and i think you'd be hard-pressed to argue that the finns couldve fought the war without it. Money and material is one thing (and was crucial), but the main thing that the swedes gave the Finns credit, which both allowed them to "buy" things from swedish manufacturing basically for free, and even things from other countries using sweden as a middleman.

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>>34654898
>but the Soviets were even more so
No. The Soviets were very well prepared for war, but not specifically for Finland, while the Finns were well prepared for Finland, but very poorly for war.
>The swedes donated an enormous amount of material and support
>enormous
No. Enormous would have been taking part in the war itself, instead of staying neutral and profitting from it through sales and loans of old arms to the nation that is protecting them from the Soviet Union.

>>34654771
>but Sweden unofficially supported Finland

Sweden was very official about it. Never declared the USSR war, but instead declared itself a non-combatant, ie involved in the conflict. War materiel, money and humanitarian aid to the civilian population was sent over, along with volunteers to fight, and the air force setting up a volunteer air wing in Finland with a few bombers and a third of Sweden's fighters.

It's in the cold war you get the unofficial support. Like when Finland (only allowed a certain number of fighters due to the peace treaty after the continuation war) trained a lot more Draken pilots than they really had planes for, while the Swedish air force was keeping a bunch of Drakens they didn't use any more sitting in storage instead of being scrapped, despite not having nearly enough reserve pilots to make use of them.

>>34653743
VITTU SAATANA PERKELE!!!

Now that it is cleared. They dug in, and let the Soviets destroy themselves with inferior communication, and organization. They literally sent in wave after wave that would just freeze upright in the middle of the forests. Not to mention Finns using food pots as bait for entire divisions of starving conscripts.

>>34655003
>No. Enormous would have been taking part in the war itself, instead of staying neutral and profitting from it through sales and loans of old arms to the nation that is protecting them from the Soviet Union.

Probably not. The swedes had been decreasing their armed forces for decades and wouldn't have been very useful had they sent entire units, for a few reasons. Firstly, it would mean that the donation wouldnt be anywhere near the size it was, and swedes would focus on their own units instead. So they wouldnt be any more advanced than the regular finns, the finns would be in a much worse state materials-wise and they would lose their tap to the outside world.

And then we haven't even mentioned what's likely to happen should sweden officially enter the war against the USSR. Most likely, the brits go ahead with operation avon head; and if they don't, Germany invades Sweden. In any case, you're now in a situation where finns didnt get any materials, and your additional army units will very quickly be needed elsewhere.

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>>34655068
neat, thanks for the info anon
I like reading about Finland after independence

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>Hey Pekka, are we the baddies?

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>when you run out of ammo

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>>34655445
Actually is grenades

>>34655090
The sausage war was not something that was planned, it just sort of happened.

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>they defeated us with these?

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>>34655445
>>34655474
Still popular.

>>34653821
>>34654200
>>34654654
Get the fuck off /k/, racist nazis.

>>34656020
I prefer the term 'realist'.

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>>34656020
although this is bait I will respond anyways because I really hate communists

>>34656020
NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

>>34653935
Most of the pockets evolved sort of naturally due to the situations. Many of the pockets also survived until the end of the war, because Finns did not have enough manpower and artillery to break fortified positions that had enough supplies to hold on. Many pockets were also supplied from air.

>>34656020
No.

>>34653743

Good tactics for the terrain and climate

Also, the Sovjet army fought like retarded monkies

>>34656814
>Also, the Sovjet army fought like retarded monkies

Turns out rounding up every officer who's shown the mearest hint of initiative or competence, shooting half straight up and sending the rest to Gulag doesn't make for an effective army.

>>34656020
>"Hurr durr, muh Nazis on /k/!"

Fuck off. Finns, and Estonians are Mongols, and we're proud of it. Better than being cucked Nordfags. Take your Swedish untermensch nonsense to /int/.

>>34656281
no u :^)

>>34654898

Again, yes, the finns were extremely ill-prepared, _but the Soviets were even more so_ ????????????????

Read the fucking wikipedia article on it again, Vladimir!

Oh! But I'm sorry: it was not even a real War, it was "border incident", right? Something you slobos would rather forget all together?

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ww2 was fucked up man

>>34658741
Post the flayed skin of a russian soldier strewn between a couple of trees.

>>34655068
pretty cool

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>>34653743
I swear to god one day I'll take my m39 to camp perry. My autism will win medals

>>34654282
>people actually believe this fantasy

thank you public schooling

>>34653743
>What did they do right, /k/?
Surrender to Soviets before things got worse.

>>34654200
>When you're a god's given killing machine and everybody want's to be in you're squad.

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>>34653743
>What did they do right, /k/?
Motti tactics

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>>34653743

THANKS HITLER!

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Post Finn guns

>>34654771
When will people stop thinking thats a photo of Simo?

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>>34663017

>>34658741
>ivan
>german soldier

>>34664153
That's literally a Russian soldier propped up by the Finns