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Despite being a key US ally.
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>>34650850
since when does the czech republic have a navy??
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>>34650850
>philippines
>raped by the usa at the very beginning of the 20th century
>an english poet got fascinated with that rape and wrote his poem about white man's burden to civilize sum nigs and to bring them to the light of civilization
>the fucking raped pussies consider americans their friends and allies

is it stockholm syndrome or something
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because they're the spics of asia. turns out a country that relies on being the source for service sector workers and slave labor nannies for rich chinks can't really afford to keep a decent military around.
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>>34650850
Because accepting US backing making them feel less macho somehow, unlike aids from China for some strange reason.
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>>34650889
I don't think most flips know their own history. They're a bunch of disjointed islands that still view violence as the only true means of solving disputes/establishing authority. That's why their president gets away with killing so many of them. They see it as a strong leadership. The life of the average flip has little value.

I'm sure being catholic helps them cope too.
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>>34650889
You have an interestingly narrow view of Flip history.
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>>34650889
Because it was virtually unheard of for the time for anyone to treat a nation of foreigners like equals, especially the Nigger-thumping US. The Americans basically said that they believed the Flips to be worthy human beans over their negro countrymen.
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Dirt poor, the whole country is basically huehuehue favela monkey tier.

Flips working abroad and sending money back, is a major part of their economy.
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Like every other American Ally other than a small handful, they are content to let global Hegemon, USA, defend them.
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>>34650850
Money

>>34650895
>because they're the spics of asia
Yeah, it's not Cambodia with their retarded Hitler or Laos with it's "literally who" culture, or the Stans and their unibrow love, the Pakis who have to copy Chinese copies to get anywhere or the Hindus who quite literally cannot get their shit together long enough to engineer and manufacture a perfectly working assault rifle and by some miracle of our heavenly father or trick played by lucifer himself actually managed to fuck up the AK pattern.

No.

It's the island monkeys.

They're the useless cunts.
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>>34650931
Not really, they called them niggers and saw them as basically the same way.
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>>34650956
Also much like Meheeco, the only positive contribution they've given to the world is tasty food that's hella fattening.
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>>34650972
Fuck India and fuck the INSAS god damn that thing is horrible.
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>>34650946
They're letting China have the SCS now and basically telling America to fuck off.
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>>34650933
Most of the ones I've known where actually good workers and fairly decent people. Country itself is just fucked because they keep getting some sort of mad cunt into running it who's all noise and bullshit- then on top of that its massively corrupt, they had terrorist commies running around, now its terrorist muslims and every now and then someone will try to have a military coup.
The latter of which is probably why they don't spend much money on defence... it tends to be used on them!

Whole region is like that though, Malaya and Singapore being slightly less fucked.
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>>34650987
You haven't been paying attention very well.
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80 IQ shithole country

Same reason Mexico is a shithole

These areas with 80 IQ animals don't actually have countries in the way we take for granted.

Of course we're importing millions of them every year, and so we will join them in third world irrelevance soon enough.

>>34651020
Because Singapore and Malaysia have a high IQ chinese population. Singapore is literally a chinese city that broke off from the Malay animals.

Demographics is destiny
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>>34651020
>Most of the ones I've known where actually good workers and fairly decent people.
>t. totally not a flip
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>>34651020
They always had terrorist commies, and terrorist muslims though. My opinion is what fucks them up is mostly budgeting issues probably from corruption, constant terrorism, and brain drain which doesn't help them establish anything decent in thier own country. That, and their broke asses think that it's a good idea to take in muslim refugees who end up filling the ranks of the current terrorists when they don't even have thier own shit sorted out.
Tldr; just mismanagement of the slim resources, and funds that they have while finding ways to make thier domestic problems worse.
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>>34651035
You're the only one swallowing your Duterte's propaganda. While he's telling you he's making your country strong he's killing your people, selling you all out to the chinks and Russians and scaling back military exercises with America.
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>>34651102
>While he's telling you he's making your country strong he's killing your people, selling you all out to the chinks and Russians and scaling back military exercises with America.
This.
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>>34651102
Getting rid of American influence in your country is only a good thing.
America engaged in a bombing campaign in the city that Duterte was the mayor of, why would you want to be close to a country that does shit like that?

Fucking retard Americans have no clue what sort of bullshit their CIA/State Department is doing
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>>34651143
yes, obviously the rational choice is to let beijing steal all your territory, kick out your fishermen from your own territorial waters and suck their big yellow dick constantly.
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>>34651168
Better than dealing with some faggots who will sanction you when you try to fix up the country.

Need to get rid of silly memes like "Democracy" before these third world countries can improve.
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>>34651175
Oh, it's retarded
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>>34650850
>More ships than helicopters.

This gonna b gud.
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>>34651196
Democracy doesn't work in the west where we have 100~ average IQ
It sure as shit doesn't work in the third world where they are average 80 IQ & below
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>>34650850

B/c they're poor as fuck. And in the end, they expect whitey to save their island nigger asses.

Uncle Sugar only cares about Failpenis insofar trying to lay the beatdown on ragheads (and killing sand niggers is always sound policy, letting dune coons in one's country is definitely not sound policy). Until the Flips give back Subic/Cubi Point and Clark and maybe throw in fucking Cavite for shits and giggles, the Manila is not going to factor high in America's campaign to cockblock the Chinks.
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I'll fix the philippines in 10 years.
-refuse refugees
-military intervention against muslims and their leadership
-there's islands in dispute with the other shit water nations. Tell the fucktards that if they want their own land that they'll have to take those disputed shits for themselves. Bomb thier current strongholds as incentive to leave. Establish, and fortify on their old habitats.
-China; Settle coral reef dispute by bowing out of that race in exchange for strenghthening trade relations posibly a weapons trade agreement.
Keep them on the back burner for a while get money.

Open designated special economic zones for foreigners to purchase, build, and own businesess 100%. This will attract foreign investors/manufacturers, build infrastrucrure, and get employment ops to natives. It might even win back the educated flios that have left, or at the very least give them a reason to stay in that shithole.
Focus on industry like post war Japan, and S. Korea then eventually it might not be a shithole.
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>>34651263
Sell the country to foreigners! Excellent strategy

Be sure to demand payments for access, storing all your money in Israel.
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Anyone who studys battles or history ?
Can we learn anything new in urban fighting in marawi or is it the same stuff learned in GWOT, Syria, isis/Iraq?

Noticed the wood slat armor they had was effective for their light armor but I think the biggest thing they dealt with is RPGs and booby traps.
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>>34651269
>Sell the country to foreigners! Excellent strategy
Special economic zones, or leases where foreign companies can open up shop. Right now you have to be a citizen to purchase land, and corporations need to be flip owned to a certain percentage. This means foreign companies won't philippines.
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>>34651279
Are there any videos available?
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>>34651293
Nothing wrong with that, why do you need foreign owned companies ?
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>>34651311
>Nothing wrong with that, why do you need foreign owned companies ?
Establishrd foreign owned companies from countries like Japan, U.S., S. K. have the resources, and know how to run a proper business. That, and having them partnering up financially will have them possibly care about the wellbeing of the areas they operate in. Everyone wants to make money, and if a nation has an cash source somewhere they will be more eager to keep it clean at least for tgier own sake.
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>>34650987
When he came into office he did say something about America wanting him to do this and that. Like a puppet government, and he didn't like that. Dealing with China would probably leave a semblance of self for the flips compared to being slaves to the slaves of the jews.
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>>34650913
It does.
In all seriousness I have no enthusiasm of visiting my family's motherland except to see relatives.
Although I do support Duerte on his stance on Abu Sayaaf.
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>>34651067
Singapore is a little island the size of a large farm with 5mil people, much easier to live with themselves, whereas flips are like 100mil with a dozen+ various tribes and ethnic groups that probably spent most of their lives throwing spears and stabbing each other to begin with.

>>34651087
>totally not a flip
Nope, I spent a year or so doing project management and specialist engineering support, we where hunting down business through Vietnam, Singapore, Philippines, Thailand and Malaysia
Can't say it was the most useful year of my life.
heck, 6months running around the backwoods of PNG with crazy spearchucking (literally) people, building shit was ultimately far more successful.

>>34651092
In my hogfuckingopinion, its the corruption that ultimately is the most destructive element, it economically marginalises people, ruins any sense of nationhood and there's simply no trust in government, business or various other state agencies. So people just fall back on the family, extended family/tribe and whatever god they believe in as some sense of belonging/security
Course, having large areas devolve into shooting matches and other faggotry never helps either!
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>>34650850
Because the Philippines
>Is poor as shit
>Corrupt as hell
>more often than not run by incompetents or morons
This is coming from a half-Flip
>>34650889

The US treated the Philippines a hell of a lot better than Spain, and ended the colonial period on an exceptionally high note by ousting Japanese rule together. No matter how bad Spain or the US may have been, the Japanese were infinitely worse. So there's that. Furthermore, the stationing of US combat bases in the Philippines up until recently meant that there was a lot of contact/trade between Filipinos and Americans. Finally, there's an absolute fuckton of overseas Filipinos living in the states.
>>34650987
>Basically telling America to fuck off
Lolno, Duterte and some of his talking heads might but the average Flip will still think highly of the states. More often than not because they probably have some family member or another over. Also, they basically try to emulate the US culturally (not always in a good way) in many ways so I couldn't see them getting close that way to China.
>>34651092
>Take in muslim refugees
Since when? Mindanao and the southern islands have always had muzzie problems. Really not much of a good solution there, other than removing them all or letting them split off (which is never going to happen with Duterte in charge).
>>34651143
See above in my post. You've never been to Flipland.
>>34651269
Special economic zones aren't an inherently terrible idea, China rakes in a fuckton of commerce/dosh from Macau and Hong Kong.
>>34651513
I'd recommend doing it at least once, there's a lot of natural beauty in the islands (unless you're from Mindanao, in which case you may want to wait).
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Obligatory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk44ls6aIg0
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>>34651293
You mean like the SBMA or CSEZ? They have had those for a long time. A couple in Cebu as well. The problem is that they have a useless educational system.
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>>34651623
Ah, the MILF.
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>>34651633
This was pretty cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O16JP0YRKv4&t=233s
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>>34651611
>Since when? Mindanao and the southern islands have always had muzzie problems. Really not much of a good solution there, other than removing them all or letting them split off (which is never going to happen with Duterte in charge).
The philippines have been taking in muslim refugees for a while. Current duteutre even welcomed more, so maybe 15/20 years ago they had less than 2% muslims, and recently it's 20ish last I checked. Removing them is probably the only solution I can think of. From what I've read the muslims act like an invading force who is constantly at war with the philippines, so maybe just acting accordingly will get positive results.
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>>34651644
Glad to see that they're giving their sf guys some practice. Also somewhat glad that in Marawi the PH troops seem to have quasi-decent gear. When I was in Manila, I saw guys rocking 'Nam era stuff, right down to 20 round stanags and M16A1s (not that I have anything against the A1).
>>34651645
>20ish
Where did you get this number? Most positive estimates are at 11 or so, and the statistics fluctuate heavily.
>act like an invading force
Nigger do you even into PH history? This isn't anything new. The Southern islands have been muzzie for hundreds of years. Moro uprisings have been going on for centuries. Every few years or so the PH military has to go down and slot a couple uppity MILF bastards whenever they try and take a city.
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Why are south east asian militaries such a joke?
>Countries with only MANPADs and a few AA guns for air defense
>Countries with a dozen modern fighters or none at all
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>>34651918
Most are rather poor/corrupt and know for a fact that they wouldn't last long against any of the larger regional powers. To that end you may as well focus on your ground forces to deal with internal problems.
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I throughly enjoyed how fucking moronic half this thread was. If this is the high iq usa talking, I was right to take an extended leave

You /pol/ pricks couldn't find your ass with both hands

>t. American living in the Philippines
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>>34651938
I'm
>>34651611
I know the struggle. Where you at in Flipland? I've only ever been to Manila and parts of western Luzon.
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I live in South Cotabato, soon to be renamed Allah Valley since Cotabato connotes we are full of muslims so it's bad for tourism. Ask me anyways.
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>>34651990
>South Cotabato
Damn, you're pretty far down. How is the local reaction to the shitstorm over in Marseilles? How easy is it to acquire a firearm in your area? Would you say there had been an increase in muzzle militants in recent years? Final question is broad as hell but what do you think needs to be done to make the Philippines a more stable country?
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>>34652042
Remove kebab. They're always acting like fags wherever they are. They can't co-exist with other cultures.
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>>34652042
>How is the local reaction to the shitstorm over in Marseilles?
Mostly apathetic, since we don't really think highly of the people on that part of the island. We had a festival 2 years ago here that had a lot of people from that part going here to sell their stuff. Some guy from Marawi decided to kill his neighbor here on our streets thinking he can get away even when there's military and police presence all around. A year or so ago, some guys from that side robbed a pawnshop and killed the Security guard after disarming her. Most of them are infiltrating our regional departments. If you let one in on your Human Resources office, you can be sure all the other hires will also be Muslim since they put higher priorities on their family and friends instead of work.

>How easy is it to acquire a firearm in your area?
Easy if you have money, if not then it's very hard. Gun shops close down here, their source of income mostly come from security guard firms but if there's some incident, even the mayor goes out in the streets with a high caliber fire arm.

>Would you say there had been an increase in muzzle militants in recent years?
I don't think so, the commies (NPA) still burn buses if the bus company does not give them Revolutionary Tax. But the Muzzies going on a rampage seem to be smaller but more radicalized, must be the influx of foreign fighters with more Wahhabi kind of thinking. The last time was more conventional with small skirmishes. The Abu Sayyaf were just bandits but became decided to join ISIS because of foreign money.

>Final question is broad as hell but what do you think needs to be done to make the Philippines a more stable country?
Become a vassal of a foreign state. Filipinos are good laborers, workers etc but not business owners, those are for the Chinese and the Spanish. Filipinos are culturally corrupt. Duterte was able to keep Davao in line but I doubt he can do that to the shits in Manila. Martial Law here is fine.
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>>34651611
>The US treated the Philippines a hell of a lot better than Spain
Kek at one point their policy was to kill every male over the age of 10. Sounds like a blast.
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>>34651611
>Lolno, Duterte and some of his talking heads might but the average Flip will still think highly of the states.
Duterte is the one running the country with absolute power and the "average flip" supports him.
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>>34650850
Because we have debts to pay.

Our government failed to invest in provinces which should harness productivity - especially our farmers.
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>>34650850
>American Ally

Not at the rate things are going.
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>>34650956
>>34650895

Exactly this. Lived there for 4 years. Most flips are just so fucking retarded, that they don't understand how civilisation really works, so they constantly fuck each other over and beg for money. All while living in a sticky, polluted shithole and claiming it's "More fun in the Philiplines."
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>>34652365
It's also apparently the most dangerous country for journalists and news correspondents. Like right after Afghanistan.
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Politically, the obstacles to buffing the AFP are 1) lack of money, 2) the powers that be dont put territorial defense as a national priority (the average citizen doesnt care/understand + it wont win votes), 3) a culture of dependence on foreign powers when it comes to defense. Not to mention Du30's selling out of our territory for high interest chinese loans.
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In addition, 70% of the AFP's budget goes to pay and pensions. Go figure.
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>>34652365
Manila is not the Philippines my dude
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>>34652403
And Paris isn't France and New York isn't America and Tokyo isn't Japan, what the fuck ever you apologist.
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>>34652409
Well, those what you have stated are clearly true. Capitals or the most urbanised area in a country does not represent the wholeness.
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>>34650931
>Because it was virtually unheard of for the time for anyone to treat a nation of foreigners like equals, especially the Nigger-thumping US. The Americans basically said that they believed the Flips to be worthy human beans over their negro countrymen

Not true in the slightest. The US and the Flips fucking went balls-out on eachother

>"The town of Titatia was surrendered to us a few days ago, and two companies occupy the same. Last night one of our boys was found shot and his stomach cut open. Immediately orders were received from General Wheaton to burn the town and kill every native in sight; which was done to a finish. About 1,000 men, women and children were reported killed. I am probably growing hard-hearted, for I am in my glory when I can sight my gun on some dark skin and pull the trigger." -- unnamed NY private--

>"We make everyone get into his house by seven p.m., and we only tell a man once. If he refuses we shoot him. We killed over 300 natives the first night. They tried to set the town on fire. If they fire a shot from the house we burn the house down and every house near it, and shoot the natives, so they are pretty quiet in town now." -- Cpl. Sam Gillis--

>"The present war is no bloodless, opera bouffe engagement; our men have been relentless, have killed to exterminate men, women, children, prisoners and captives, active insurgents and suspected people from lads of ten up, the idea prevailing that the Filipino as such was little better than a dog..." -- Philadelphia Ledger, 1902--

That's just Wikipedia. I'd find the book I have lying around at home where it has some of the songs Americans would sing (something along the lines of "pull the trigger on a nigger over 10" or thereabouts). US forces practically pioneered waterboarding and the water cure in the modern age in the Philippines.

that the Philippines still get along with us is testament to how fucking horrific the Japs were by comparison
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>>34652422
Manila is the Philippines more than any other city. It's about the best your people have to offer.
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>>34650850
Money of course.

You actually believe that the USA just magically donates equipment free of charge?

Gotta pay up even if its a friendly discount.
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>>34652387
>the powers that be
Once you reach OF-7 (brigadier general) you are basically walking on eggshells because it will make or break the final decade of your military career and fuck up whatever juicy gubmint and/or civilian posts that will make you rich.

The folks on this level don't want to rock the boat too much so they all become complacent and just tow the line of their mistahs and seniors. Unfortunately, OF-6 (colonel) and above are usually the rank in charge of decision making and advising in procurement so these guys are usually abroad half of the year window shopping for shit the armed forces will never consider buying but its a nice feeling being welcomed by allied armed forces and having a front seat of some APC, tank or plane that the country won't even afford to buy.

t. OF-3, Army
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>>34650864
kinda surprising but:
http://cz-fleet.info/ships_en/
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>>34652898

Wow, didnt expect an AFP officer on 4chan of all places. Guessing youre from OCS? Cant imagine an Ayer being here.
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>>34650850
They sure like them patrol ships
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>>34652258
What's the ratio between muzzies and non muzzies in your area? Also how prevalent are the NPA? I heard that Duterte is rather buddy-buddy with them.
>>34652281
That was on one island, and the policy was heavily criticized stateside and the officer who gave the order was court-martialed.
>>34652286
>Average flips supports him
In domestic policy, the average populace is still rather fond of the states. Unless my family and friends in Flipland have been lying to me, this is the current status.
>>34652898
You the guy that was in some of the Marawi threads?
>>34653466
The Philippines is an island nation, it makes sense to get patrol ships
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>>34653316
Mmm, yeah no.
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>>34650850

Because they're poor and trade access for us to do the work instead.

>>34653466

It's what they need. One day maybe they can buy a whole bunch of LCSs from us.
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>>34653365
>didnt expect an AFP officer on 4chan of all places.
There's a LT in here too.

>>34655478
Yep.
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>>34657740

Cool! I'm a civvie employee POG. Hell, we might be in the same base. If you like, you can drop me a line at [email protected] (burner email). Would love to make your acquaintance.
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>>34651605
>whereas flips are like 100mil with a dozen+ various tribes and ethnic groups that probably spent most of their lives throwing spears and stabbing each other to begin with.

If flips were 100 IQ country, they would be a first world country. And all these problems wouldn't exist.
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china wants the philippines to be its attack dog against the united states. this part of the pacific has gas reserves. who knows what else the pacific ocean has? its deep. china wants military and economic supremacy
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>>34655478
>What's the ratio between muzzies and non muzzies in your area?
South Cotabato is mostly a Christian province with around 20% or more Muslims, it is flanked by Sultan Kudarat which is mostly Muslim and Cotabato which is mostly Muslim but has a bigger Christian population size and Maguindanao which is mostly Muslim. Mostly Muslim provinces are dilapidated and poor with warlords roaming around. Mostly Christian regions are more developed.

Also how prevalent are the NPA? I heard that Duterte is rather buddy-buddy with them.
There's some spots where they're found, they're more like bandits roaming around asking mining corporations for 'Revolutionary Tax'. They've burned down some bus plying the South Cotabato routes because the bus owners did not pay them enough protection money. They know the lay of the land and can easily integrate into civilians so it's hard fighting their guerilla warfare style. I dunno much about the Duterte- NPA angle so I won't touch it.
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>>34652286
Of course, he is president due to popular support and not because he bribed people to get him into position. The average Flip sure loves his random executions, hostility to Christianity, and Chink/Muslim dick-sucking.
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>>34658949
Hahahahaha oh wow
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Because they have a shit budget, and even worse priorities.

People try to think/believe that the Philipines is a unified, western style country with functioning resources/departments/administrations. It is not.

I worked on a project with a defense-prime on improving the Philipine Navy's C4I infrastructure/delivery (ie. so the US didn't have to do all of the heavy lifting dealing with China in the SCS), and the project was a clusterfuck of even trying to get the Philipinos on the phone/email/anything to discuss publically-available info. We had a GREAT, fucking best-in-class product, and it turns out that the grant we were working to get (The Maritime Security Initiative - MSI) was literally just US Taxpayer money all over again. We were eventually shooed away when the US military just FUCKING GIFTED the Philipinos the exact product we were trying to upgrade their systems with.

(1) No money
(2) Poor political cohesion re: getting involved in a shitflinging fest with China
(3) No pressing sociocultural pressure - still worried about domestic issues
(4) They buy stuff with US taxpayer dollars anyway.
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Recruitment flyer of the Reform the Armed Forces movement which would eventually launch several coups, most notably the 1989 coup which almost overthrew the Cory administration.

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Newspapers from the 1989 coup.
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One of the very few armored assets the AFP actually has - an FV101 Scorpion.
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dumb flips keep voting inbred corrupt political dynastic families, pay to play system become the norm. Ask why philippines is poor, off your self.
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>>34651623

never been conquered, bs. how did they become muslim flips the first place.
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>>34657740
Unironically, thanks for your service. Give the terrorists hell.
>>34660082
How safe is it in your area? Not trying to sound rude but if I take it by you there's commie and muzzie armed groups running around. Also are you worried about future unrest in your area if things continue?
>>34661285
Where was that taken?
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>>34651263
>refuse refugee
>implying there's anyone who wanted to go to that shithole
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What would happen if philippines was colonized by british instead of spain/US?
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>>34661546

Afp museum, camp aguinaldo
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Anybody posted this yet? Some combat footage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syd_D4xrlMU
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>>34660885
What?
I thought you guys were one of the earliest in the region to start using tanks so what happened to them?
Even our Malaysian army with its small budget can afford some tanks and new armored vehicles.
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>>34662421
>one of the earliest
Incorrect, Malaysia had tanks in WW2. The Amerifats stationed here didn't have Shermans back then.

If we're talking about since independence then Indonesia holds that honor.

Scorpions arrived here in the late 70s.
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>>34661968
A faster surrender to the Nips in '41.
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>>34650850
Philippines should start buying Vietnam built war ship
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>>34661968
>less catholics, thus contraceptive is more prevalent
>country divided along religious line (christian north and muslim south a la india/pakistan)
>It's gon be war but at least nobody is oppressing nobody
>the north will be, at worst, belize-tier, or at best, hongkong-tier
>the south prolly gonna self exploded or absorbed into Malaysia
>superior democracy structure
>everyone will have 20 percent higher IQ, speaks superior english and secondary education is almost universal
>tea, rubber and palm oil plantation everywhere
>corruption is less prevalent

Man I wish the brits came here instead of spanish
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Name some "modern military" aside from US and Britain.

That's right.

No one can into "modern military".
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>>34650850

The Philippines could have had F-16s since the 90s but

>US offers old F16 to flips
>"why buy these second hand fighters when we can buy new"
>Asian economic collapse happens
>US pulls offer and offers same jets to a European country (forget which one)
>like the dumbfucks that they are, Philippines offers to buy euro country's obsolete fighters so they can accept US F-16s
>euro country declines and decide to buy grippen or some shit instead
>US decides to rotate F16s into active duty instead of selling
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