SHUSH Act

>>34646157
highly unlikely

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>>34646157
Only when you wholly reject the Constitution will you get the kind of freedom you seek.

Make your own pussy

>>34646253

Explain your logic.

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>>34646501
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

>>34646157
ATF has been processing, on average, 15-20000 NFA packets a week for the past few years. At $200 a pop.....you do the math. It aint going anywhere.

>>34646536
>he thinks the government makes a profit on suppressor paperwork

pro tip they lose 200 dollars per permit. The ATF wants this dead because its a waste of their time

>>34646536
Yeah that's all profit. And where the fuck did you get 15000-20000 from?

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>>34646501

>>34646536
>>34646600
Also interested in this statistic.

If it is true that means there are almost 800,000 NFA items per year. I wonder what percentage are suppressors and what percentage are SBRs. I imagine the vast majority is made up of those two things.

>>34646600
From the godamn website, you noguns dipshit.
https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/data-statistics

>>34646624
over 2.5 million NFA weapons were processed in 2016 ALONE. Its one the site, on a graph.

>>34646157
Wait to see how midterm elections go. Many Republicans are afraid of the poll numbers that they see for Trump and don't want to risk what is a low reward bill. Most supporters of the SHUSH or HPA would not vote Democrat, as part of that parties platform is gun control but there are people who are generally neutral on guns who would vote Democrat because of the perceived nature of suppressors.

I think we would have much better chances of another Supreme Court seat becoming vacant before any suppressor related law actually coming up for a vote. The average age for justices to retire is around 80 two justices are older than that, Ginsburg (84 but she has claimed she will not retire from the court) and Kennedy (81 and current scuttlebutt is that he is looking to retire soon). Justice Breyer is 78 and may retire soon as well (although he may wait for the presidential election).

>>34646582
>they lose 200 dollars per permit
They processed 379,410 in 2016....so thats $75,882,000 a year....
>they lose 75 million dollars a year prcoessing paperwork
straight up summer faggotry in here

>that Glock 20 with over the counter suppressor feel

thank you based northern ireland

amerifats simply do not understand this freedom

>>34646792
>he didn't read the internal whitepaper

>>34646508
not that anon but think about it either the constitution allowed a asshole government to rise and restrict our freedoms ie no over the counter suppressors and other fuckery or the constitution didn't prevent the asshole government at all from rising it either allowed the tyrants or was completely incompetent in stopping them so it must be broken

>>34647134

I think of the constitution in terms of a contract. The government is contractually obligated to adhere to its provisions and in exchange the organization is allowed to exist. Unfortunately, the government has transgressed its obligations and, equally unfortunate, The citizens of the U.S have been too lazy and complacent to ensure that the government adheres to the contract.

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>>34646157
You already can.

>>34647299
This.
Basically tyrants figured out that if you only make slow changes, the people wont notice.

>>34646792
>government workers work for free

>>34647134

the majority of americans don't give a shit about unregulated suppressors because in the grand scheme of things they are nothing but expensive toy parts for their expensive adult toys

>>34648540
>75 million dollars
At a 50k a year salary, it pays for 1500 Joe blows. I bet there aren't even 1500 Joe blows in that office. You're retarded.

the ATF doesn't get a cent of the tax stamps. it goes directly into the big govt spending account.

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>>34648585
>he thinks ATF agents make 50K a year
>he didn't read the whitepaper

>>34648553
they wouldn't be rare expensive toys if the NFA didn't fuck us over with them in the first place

Why do you want a suppressor? I'm all for guns and shit, but you don't need suppressors for defense.

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>>34648644

>>34648652
Not bait, I'm actually curious. I don't whose fault it is for making questions look like bait/shitposts.

>>34648668
in case you're actually serious

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinnitus

>>34648627
>being this assmad you got busted for being a retard noguns

>>34648696
Oh shit that makes a ton of sense. I'm young and have always had ear protection, so this never occurred to me. Cheers anon

>>34648644
>>34648668
>Crash bang etc
>Gotta search my area for this potentially armed intruder, better put on the earmuffs!

Right after Brexit goes into effect

>>34648752
>he doesn't have electronic hearing protection
Ok.

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>>34648713
???

>>34648909
>he doesn't have electronic hearing protection AND a suppressor
Do you hate everyone living near you and your ears?

>>34646821
>Northern Ireland
>Based

Pick one, paddy.

>>34647134 we just need to be better at enforcing preexisting laws and hold gov. accountable. If we apply your argument to other laws then we can say that just because we fail to stop people from murdering each other we should repel murder laws.

A constitution is a great way stop or slow down eventual corruption within a ruling class, the rulers must adhere to the laws of the ruled
interesting thought tho anons

The $200 tax stamp was instituted back when that was sufficiently cost prohibitive to prevent people from legally acquiring the kind of guns politicians don't want peasants to have. These days $200 ain't shit. The government is losing their ass with the NFA.

>>34646157
The GOP is so inept they can't do the one thing they've promised for seven years. You really expect any type of pro-gun law to be passed?

That whole NRA dream is going to come crashing down next year when the Democrats take back the house.

>>34646792
the building they work in, the phone lines they use, the paper, ink cartridges, water and sewage, the pensions and sick days, government vehicles, maintenence, training, lawyers, investigations, desks, chairs, groundskeeping....etc ad nauseum


its all fucking free!

(you fucking retarded dipshit)

remember this is the government. they could blow all that money in the time it takes you to take your daily shit

>>34648585
its the largest employer in that region of west virginia.

$50k is about entry level for a fed job, most of feds are going to be making $70 to $80k, not including management.

A lot of the workers are going to be contracted. Their total compensation will average between $45 and $55. That includes janitors. However the feds are also paying the contracting company a premium, mostly to avoid pension payments in the future.

So please, just shut the fuck up.

>>34649277
I never said I don't have a suppressor.

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>>34648644
Do you have any clue how absolutely deafening firearms are in an indoors especially very small area?
enjoy your EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>34646157
But but that means nobody will hear the ar15 assault baby murder guns firing, are you mad ?

>>34651585
> That includes janitors

You're an idiot, and are vastly over estimating what someone makes when working for the federal government.

>>34652073
>he thinks "janitor" is a low paying job
>doesn't realize that janitors make a decent salary because if you could make more at McDonald's and not have to play with literal shit all day, you would
>doesn't realize federal jobs earn "prevailing wage" which averages all janitorial positions to come up with a fair pay
I bet you think AC repair men make shit money too, don't you? LMAO

>>34652086
Not gonna lie after ets I did eye a janitor position around ft meade. Sad part is I would have made more there than I did on deployment before getting married.

>>34646723
>quote a number with no source
>"hmm, that's interesting. I wonder where this guy got that number?"
>proceed to insult him for asking
Ah, 4chan. Feels like home.

>>34652073
>you're an idiot.

actually im a government employee. The union janitors at my site make around $27 an hour, not including fringe benifits.

I suggest you read the 1965 service contract act.

Also, maybe have a little knowledge of the subject matter before you stick your dick in and get it torn off like a fucking moron.

>>34646729
>afraid of the poll numbers
Stop watching the news.

>>34647134
>>34646253
>the constitution allowed a asshole government to rise and restrict our freedoms
the problem with that line of argument is that the constitution isn't supposed to be a stand alone defense. the people defend the constitution and the constitution defends the people. it's a symbiotic relationship that depends on the people to be active, informed, and willing to resort to violence when needed, it more or less states as much in the document itself.

>>34646723
>over 2.5 million NFA weapons were processed in 2016 ALONE
it makes me happy to know that the book is growing that large.

>>34653928
>it makes me happy to know that the book is growing that large.
I think we are going to see more people being prosecuted for unregistered weapons because the ATF can't keep track of the NFRTR.

>>34646157
Not with that fucking attitude, we won't.

>>34647134
You're a fucking retard and so is the guy whose logic you're attempting to explain.

>>34646729
>Many Republicans are afraid of the poll numbers that they see for Trump

Why would they?

Job approval polls (political polls in general, really) are meaningless in the current hyper-partisan environment.

Sure, Trump has majority disapproval due to Dems/Liberals being the majority and thus skewing the numbers.

But once you break the polls down into Dems/Libs and Repubs/Cons then you'll see that Trump has majority approval among the latter.

Republican/Conservative approval is the only thing that matters to Trump and the GOP. They weren't elected by Dems/Libs, and have no reason to cater to them.

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that's one thing we have here in englandistan, suppressors for everyone with not licenses or checks, don't put it on your gun without it noted on your license though, that would be illegal.

>>34648631

sure but what im saying is that no a whole lot of people give a shit about the right to own automatic weapons because outside of recreational shooting and self defense they have no place in most people lives.

>>34653978
i think that won't matter for shit when they pull up their bank records and they wrote a check to the atfjew for sum of a tax stamp plus the records on hand at their sot verify their claims.

>>34646729
>Many Republicans are afraid of the poll numbers that they see for Trump
that's funny because most polls proved to be blatantly falsified during the campaign and all polls since the election suggest trump voters knew damn well what they were getting and don't regret voting for him. could give less of a fuck about republicans in general but the only thing the democrats have going for them so far is some manufactured butthurt about healthcare reform and the fact that they've toned down the sjw moral busyboding.
the leftist media is spewing 24/7 anti trump agitprop and playing into the russians' hands by doing so ironically. anyone who is surprised that polls are low for any number of reasons is probably a nigger or retard.

>>34654298
>i think that won't matter for shit when they pull up their bank records and they wrote a check to the atfjew for sum of a tax stamp plus the records on hand at their sot verify their claims.
I didn't say they'd necessarily be convicted. It's nothing new, either. I just think we will see it more often now that Title II weapons are a hot thing.

>>34654298
>all polls since the election suggest trump voters knew damn well what they were getting and don't regret voting for him.
more like
>trump voters are too proud to admit they elected a retard

there were people who voted for trump and knew he was a retard but there are also a shit ton of people who voted for trump and legitimately wanted/expected stupid shit like a giant border wall and a witch hunt against clinton

>>34654319
all the more reason only landed white males or their widows should be voting.

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>>34646501

>>34646157
If GOP can't pass an Obama care repeal & replace after 10 years of bitching then I can't see how they can pass a pro-gun bill.

>>34654357
>obama has to suck the dick of the entire pharmaceutical and medical industries' representatives plus hundreds of statesmen in order to pass a half aborted welfare act riddled with compromises that includes some very minor healthcare reform after how many months in office?
>having anything to do with firearms or civil rights

>>34646157
I think the way NFA laws are implemented are dumb - trying to enforce laws about who can have a metal tube is shitty.

But I still have this nagging fear that if suppressors got easier to purchase and someone commits a high profile crime with one that'll be enough to get the gun control ball rolling. They can indict the pro gun side for everything using that and then start on the AWB or more CCW limits.

So part of me would rather pony up the $200.

>>34654387
>>having anything to do with firearms or civil right
Republicans own the place, this should've been as simple as 1, 2, 3.

The fact that they shit the bed when they could've rammed it through doesn't fare well for gun reform.

>>34648644
yes you absolutely do

If you think that I'm gonna be reaching for earplugs in a self defense scenario, you're a retard

>>34654405
>not realising most Republicans are now either Democrat insiders
When will the party get purged?

>>34654463
>When will the party get purged?

When people decide they've had enough of politicians

>>34646520
Does that guy have Klinefelter's?

>>34646821
As a gun loving ausfag who owns several I always thought America was my only refuge to live in a place not totally cucked on guns. Obviously Czech is also great but my chances of learning the language are slim to none. I've just looked up NI gun law and while it's no US, its right fucking up there in the anglosphere.

Tell me about NI m8, how is the hunting? Is there a decent shooting culture with practical pistol shooting etc? I notice on wikipedia:
> Also, carrying a firearm in plain view in a public place is allowed without a permit. Open carry of handguns is not common.

does this mean people technically COULD open carry pistols if they so desired?

>>34654463
if it wasn't purged after the tea partiers turned color it never will be.

>>34654395
One thing to consider is prices will skyrocket higher than they already are if that law was repealed due to a large spike in demand. I would expect it to be extremely difficult to get your hands on one, anyway, for a very long time and criminals who want to suppress their weapons will find means already available to them today.

>>34654517
>One thing to consider is prices will skyrocket higher than they already are if that law was repealed due to a large spike in demand
complete bullshit. if they weren't a niche item that required a 4-10 month waiting period to acquire i would apply for the appropriate licensing and spend 10 hours a day shitting out budget cans making money hand over fist.
there would be a spike that temporally decreased availability but pretty much anyone except those who can bank exclusively on their name like surefire would have to drop their price point to be anything but gucci nonsense.

>>34652073
now I´m really interested in your response ? Are you man enough to accept that you fucked up ?

>>34654552
You seriously don't think demand would skyrocket? The availability of retail inventory would be wiped out and prices would increase on the second-hand market would be insane. It would take months for new companies to begin manufacturing and bringing product to market. You know all businesses would still require to get an FFL since they would "be in the business of firearms."

We've seen this happen with newly released Kel-Tec products and those only require a background check. We've also seen this with ammunition when a scare happens. Thinking magically hundreds of thousands of units of product would be available on the market to satisfy demand is naive.

>>34646157
I've heard it said directly from some congressional types: "Congress will NEVER give up a $200 tax".

The best you'll see is the ATF speeding up form times. The biggest hangup people have in buying suppressors isn't the tax, it's the fucking 11 month wait.

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>>34654606
>You seriously don't think demand would skyrocket?
are you even in sixth grade? don't respond to me or my son until you grow some reading comprehension.

>>34654643
Please supply a detailed plan on how you would apply and receive an FFL license, setup a supply chain, and bring product to market amidst massive competition among other companies trying to do the exact same thing.

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>>34654663
you aren't my mom. get out of here /biz/, jew or batfe, whichever
captcha: fishery

>>34653057
More than likely his height starts with 5

>>34654425

>put earpro right next to gun
>takes a few seconds at most
>implying the invader is going to b-line right for your fucking bedroom as soon as they break in

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>>34655077
Or
>Have earpro attached to gun entire time
Faggot

>>34654663
nigger, if they're not considered NFA items, and not firearms, then no FFL is needed. we will have cheap-but-adequate Chinese cans flooding Walmart shelves within a couple months.

>>34656069
Only with SHUSH, of course. If that garbage HPA passes they will be treated as Title I firearms under federal law.

>>34656226
well the thread topic is the SHUSH act m8. if we only get HPA, expect 80% kits to flood the market for cheap. it's not like a basic silencer is very complicated to make.

>>34656686
It'll be up to the ATF to determine what an 80% suppressor is, though.

>>34646157

With the pace at which suppressor popularity is growing I think it will happening eventually. It's just a few steps away from going mainstream, BIG manufacturers are investing.


>>34649258
>Reddit
>libertarian
>/pol/

/pol/ is a natsoc board of piece. Respect our lebensraum.

>>34654971
And more likely your weight starts with 200.

>>34646619
Interesting trigger discipline

>>34646157

no, they make guns so silent that a madman could kill an entire school full of children as even the children in the class of children being shot would not here the shots.

Back when suppressors were as easy to buy as a washer at a hardware store people were getting silently killed all day every day.

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>>34646157
Nope. The public misconceptions regarding silencers are simply too strong. That vote would be used against the bill's supporters in every campaign ad, ever. They just won't take the risk. They'll find some way to argue they have some other reason for not supporting it, but the end result will be the same. I highly doubt it will ever see a floor vote.

>>34646253
That's kind of missing the point of what actually went wrong. No document can actually prevent a government from becoming bloated on its own. It requires people to participate and enforce it.

A lot of the shit the government does right now is unconstitutional. Of course it's powerless to stop it, because it's just a piece of paper. It only has power when people choose to enforce it, and they've stopped. That's not the document's fault, and I don't think any other document could or would do it any better than this one has.

Only a population that actually gives a shit about limiting government can keep government limited, and that doesn't exist, now or--unfortunately--probably ever in our future.

>>34661420
You're right, as was I. 6'3" 220. Sorry about that Chihuahua rage syndrome you have.