Do archers have a place on the modern battlefield?

>>34640867
No

>>34640872

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iirc rambo shot down some helicopters with his bow in that movie

>>34640867
Yes

>>34640867
>stick explosive onto arrow head
>arch it into a foxhole with bow
>profit?

You could be very stealthy with a bow

I would think for certain covert operations yes

Crossbows have some limited use among special forces (snow leopard commandos in China, for instance) due to their power and silence. Also they had some historical use by tribes in the vietnamese border areas (google the Montaignard crossbow) as a last-ditch defence against the VC.

Montaignard crossbows have only three pieces and can be made ridiculously powerful depending on your strength, they're a 10/10 /k/ommando summer project.

>>34640867
Yes, typically under it, though

>>34640937
This is the gayest shit. Literally any piece of metal exceeding the thickness of aluminum foil can stop arrows shooting at that angle and range (the archers are in fact out of range, and the 64s would have rekt them from a mile away).

>>34640948
kek

>>34640899
ir homing arrows with a rocket engine

like in muh "lord of light"

>>34640937
this is the result of common core

>>34640937
is that from that shit post apocalypse vampire anime? that shit was awful

>>34640867
No

t.archerfag

>>34640937
it's clearly inspired by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_High_Crusade where some human crusaders hijacked a spaceship and destroyed a space empire

>The patrol boats swooped low, hungrily. Here was prey they might get. Their thin beams were intended for short ranges. On the first pass, two archers died. Then Red John yelled an order.
>Suddenly the sky was full of arrows. A cloth-yard shaft with a six-foot yew bow behind it will go through an armored man and the horse beneath him. These little boats made matters worse by flying directly into the gray goose flock. Not one of them escaped. Riddled, their pilots quilled as hedgehogs, they crashed. The archers roared and ran to join the fray ahead.

Only if you're a master operator and use only a bow/knife/cheese wire to quietly make your kills

>>34640867
fun fact: tailban actually uses bows and arrows. They also been known to shoot explosive arrows when they don't have mortars

>>34642179
You're thinking of the Dukes of Hazard.

>>34640867
Sure. Archery develops strength, coordination and endurance. It's a good, solid hobby for a solider to develop, and a fun field day activity to encourage exercise for soldiers on base.

The fucking bow should stay home, but the archer can be effective. Armed with a rifle.

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>>34640867

>>34640922

I bet you're often underappreciated.

>>34640867
It'll kill faggots I suppose but no, not really. The amount of training needed to use one effectively is measured in years and you can't rush it too much since it's partly training your body.

Then again Mad Jack Churchill was a thing.

>>34640872
fpbp, if you absolutely needed to use a type of archery on the modern battlefield for whatever reason it'd be a crossbow.

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but what if you have a bow strong enough to penetrate helicopter-windscreens?

>>34642586
You would never be in range.

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>>34642586
Then you're strong enough to carry a 30mm automatic rifle if you can pull it back.

>>34642586
Bullets already do that though. For far less effort at much better range with much greater hit probability.

>>34640937

>two nukes weren't enough

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Just gotta add a stick of dynamite to the arrow and it's good for the modern world.

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>>34640937
>weaboos eat this shit up

>on the modern battlefield?
No.
>in very particular specops environments that require very low profile target elimination?
very soft maybe. What a bow can do, subsonic ammunition and a huge baffle can do better, but it is not entirely impossible to imagine a scenario where you couldn't afford the expulsion of gas, the admittedly loud sound of suppressed gunfire, or a number of other hindrances.

>>34640937
>Arrow heads folded a thousand times.

>Be a soldier inna firefight.
>Mission objective is ahead.
>Suddenly you are hit in the shoulder by a fucking arrow.
>Your squad is confused as fuck.
>You are too, considering it's a fucking arrow, who the fuck is shooting arrows at you?!
>Look down.
>Realize in your confusion, the massive sack of gold coins your squad was moving is missing.
>The sheriff is going to be fucking pissed that Robin Hood fucked you over again.

>>34641000
So you mean like a missile launcher
Call me crazy but i heard those already exist

>>34642821
Don't use your fancy words to muddy the situation.

>>34642821
except the missile is initially launched with a bow

also iirc in the high crusade they threw a tactical nuke with a trebuchet once

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I don't know about battlefield use but this thing looks cool as shit for backyard use!

https://sensiblesurvival.org/2014/12/18/build-a-quick-and-simple-montagnard-style-crossbow/

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>>34640922
This is correct. In specific settings such as in a jungle or forest, bows are still a somewhat viable weapon albeit for guerrilla tactics.

The Viet Mihn as well as the Viet cong both used bows against The French Foreign Legion and the US forces in Vietnam.

Usually perched in trees, people that had actually hunted for large portions of their lives with bows, would fire arrows covered in feces and poisons at enemy troops.

If you are on patrol in a jungle and a couple of guys get hit by these arrows, it is obviously damaging to moral and somewhat effective to combat a larger and better armed force.

>>34640937
glorious nippon arrow heads

>>34642812
Kek Nice one

>>34640937
anime was a mistake

>>34640937
Why don't the choppers fire back ffs

How does anyone watch this shit

>>34640937
In defense, those bows are all enchanted with demon magic or something.
[spoiler]Been a while since I saw the show, could be talking out my ass.

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Bow mag tips. Arrows that shoot .357

Like mini Rambo loads.

>>34640867
How much weed have you smoked today?

>>34643249
Wouldn't they just blow up without a strong barrel? If the tube part is strong enough to withstand the bang, that bullet still would be pretty slow without a barrel to gain velocity in...

Maybe if it was loaded with a shotgun shell filled with explosives....

>>34640937
>gets shot down by Long-Bows
Is that why they call it the Apache "Long-Bow" helicopter?

>>34643551
When the arrow hot the cartridge drives into the firing pin upon contact and discharges it. The whole tip is ruined after because the case explodes but still directs the bullet toward. They aren't to reliable tbqh, people on you tube have made ones that firing shotgun shells.

>>34643551
Yeah, they're basically glorified firecrackers.

A regular broadhead would be more lethal.

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>>34640937
is this on the opposite end of the autism-spectrum from GATE?

>>34640867
Yes arrows still kill people

>>34640937
>SidMyersCivilization.gif

>>34640899
>direct fire -> use an rpg
it's better with payload/projectile speed/projectile versatility/range
>indirect fire -> use mortar
it's better with payload/projectile speed/projectile versatility/range

>>34640867
Only if they're as cool as Hawkeye

>>34640937
Anime was a mistake.

>>34640867
If the modern battlefield is California or NYC, yes.

>>34640899
>what are grenade launchers

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>>34643654
Anon, no one is questioning how it mechanically works. Everyone is saying without a chamber and barrel for the explosion to be concentrated and projectile to have a 'run' to actually make it lethal; that is pretty much just a small un-focused explosion.

The same idea of a firecracker being completely harmless until you grip it tightly in your hand. Ammunition only really works when its propellant is condensed and controlled in a barrel.

That shit is a meme.

I expressed serious doubt over an individual who turned up to Croatia in 1991 with a Barnett Crossbow that he had concealed in his suitcase, which was full of other questionable items. He told me, during his interview, that he could use it to "take out" Serbian sentries.

Apparently the use, attempted or otherwise, of crossbows went on throughout the war. I doubt they achieved much.

>>34640867
Sure. If you're fighting a guerilla war, a guy with a bow could quietly take out small game and keep you fed.

>>34643826
They are a meme and they suck broad heads are more effective but they're still fun to shoot into Tanerite

>>34643717
>you will never teach a qt elf girl how to destroy armor at just under three quarters of a mile away
SAD

>>34640937
filename; usa army 1964 vietnam colouraised

A squad armed with them for a stealth infiltration mission could be "effective" but simply having surpressed weapons would be more accurate and better if things don't go as planned.

>>34641023
It's not gate?

Not shitposting here but how many rounds does it take of 5.56 to create a wound channel similar to a broad head? Three shots? five? What about 7.62?

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>>34644622
fergot pic

>>34640937
This is why I can't watch Anime. It's only appealing to males under the age of 14 or mentally handicapped people.

>>34640937
Not enough incendiary munitions were expended on the Japanese home islands during the Second World War.

>>34643717
This scene in the show triggered me so badly, the elfs all forgot to extend the fuze probe, making the warhead operate in anti bunker mode... Not the best versus a fucking armored dragon...

>>34644642
Some of it is ok tho, alas i only watch shit like Gate and Overlord, mostly for the Future vs Fantasy or vs OP setting. You have to admit, it is fun to watch Knights explode from 20mm HEDP.

>>34640867
No

Torturing prisoners and terrorizing enemies. If i found my comrade tied to a tree full of arrows i'd consider again do i wan't to be there.

>>34642874

I think begin shot by an arrow is more conceptually terrifying than being shot and I can't really explain why

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>>34640867
I dont see why not

>>34646264
Do you think that a comrade tied to a tree, covered in honey and left for the bugs would have any less of an impact?

your attention please

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill

> Churchill gave the signal to attack by cutting down the enemy Feldwebel (staff sergeant) with a barbed arrow, becoming the only British soldier known to have felled an enemy with a longbow in the war.[10]
>According to his son, Malcolm, "he and his section were in a tower and, as the Germans approached, he said, 'I will shoot that first German with an arrow,' and that's exactly what he did."[11] After fighting at Dunkirk, he volunteered for the Commandos.[12]

>>34646340
I'd try both.

>>34640899
It's that easy???

>>34641002
>common core in japan

You're the result of common core

>>34641002

underrated

>>34646399
you shut your filthy common whore mouth!

>>34643249
this shit is stupid.

>no barrel
>no acceleration
>destroys your arrows

No thanks

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>>34640867
No.

But it's a fun hobby.

>>34643551
yep, this shit is trash

https://youtu.be/mRavl3tfyGM?t=146

>>34646449
LMAO $40 for 6 of those pieces of shit?

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>>34640867

>>34640867
>Do archers have a place on the modern battlefield?

No human has a place on the modern battlefield

>>34640867
>archer
No
>maybe using a bow(or Xbow) to kill somebody?

Totally possible. They can be made very strong these days and surprisingly quiet. A good crossbow would definitely be usable as a sentry removal tool. The thing is they already have dedicated weapons that are very quite for the same purpose and it doesn't really come up much in the first place anyways.


So, maybe if you're poor.

>>34646441
How do you like those Polaris limbs? What draw weight are they?

In insurgent warfare, maybe. I could see crossbows especially (similar to the montagnard crossbows in Vietnam) capable of being used well by irregular forces. Bows and crossbows, while needing a lot more skill to operate, can at least be made by not-so-rare resources, depending on the location. Same with slings.

Don't think to do any considerable damage with any primitive weapon in a modern war scenario, but it could be a useful terror weapon.

Any other circumstance? No, never, for no professional application. No recon unit is willing to spend weeks or months training operatives on how to use an outdated and finicky weapon when they could just be given a gun.

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>>34646746

>>34644480
you don't put "colorized" if the original footage would already have been in color!

>>34644642
This is a gif from some no-name seasonal trash that no one liked, I wouldn't throw that opinion on all anime. Most of the good shit you gotta be selective about.

>>34646137
they pretty much reacted how you would expect backwards peasants that has five minutes of training on the PzF3 would react.
But I agree, maybe just once we would see someone other than the japs do something cool, but no.

>>34642812
Underrated.

>>34646882
They're breddy good 40 lb limbs. Not very expensive or pretty, but they work fine for me.

I haven't had the time to find a range and break in the new string, but I can warm up when club practice starts back up in the fall. Also need to pick up string wax sometime.

>>34641002
kek

>>34640867
For executing prisoners maybe but a guy with a shovel or knife could do it as well

>>34644590
No. GATE is all about modern shit BTFOing old shit and magic.

>>34644622
One. It takes one you fucking dunce.

Bullets are fucking retardedly fast, especially 5.56.

Temporary wound channels from supersonic rifle rounds are exactly what makes guys fall over and die immediately when shot in the chest.

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>>34640867
Ja.

>>34642646
Second

>>34648854
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>>34640937
I fucking hate Anime.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk
rly makes you thonk
>>34651689
#notallanimu

>>34640899
that will mess up the arrow stability and how it'll fly.

Unless we're talking specifically engineered arrowhead with explosive tip, which sounds dumb since all that effort and resources can just be put into a firearm.

Not to mention bows are a bit finicky with climate.

>>34651722
unless that guy is using a warbow with 70+ lbs pull, I don't care. I also bet archers of olden time could do all that with actual bows with actual high pull weights.

>>34651843
cool
can you try to do that though
it would be cool

>>34651848
no, not everyone has as much time as an artist has to dick around, but it would be neat and you'd end up with some impressive arm, hand, and muscles.

>>34640922
>due to their power and silence

But crossbows are still pretty loud anon

>>34651843
yeah that thing legit looks like a 30lb bow and he only draws it to maybe half extension

>>34640872
FPBP

>>34640867

Yes, but only if fielded in tandem with legionairres equipped with heavy armor and ballistic shields and SMGs.

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>>34640867
>Do archers have a place on the modern battlefield?

They have one very specific purpose

>>34642560
that game pissed me off so bad

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>>34640867
Yes
Archery is the best way to remove frog

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>>34651722
>mfw he started shooting with his fucking feet

>>34640906
This.

They are basically only practical for coordinated attacks against lone guards.

>>34653034
>best way to remove frog
>archery removed the usurper King of Anglo-saxon england and made way for reign of Normans over the smelly retarded English

>>34640937
From the thumbnail I thought it was a joke about the AH-64 being called the "Longbow" and that it was a form of archery.

Then I noticed it was a webm.

>>34646292
Arrow wounds are more likely to become infected? And back in the day they were really hard to treat

>>34651907
quieter than almost any gun, but yeh their reputation as whisper quiet killers is as dumb as any suppressed weapon being similarly quiet.

>>34653815
It was common to poison arrows back in the days. So they would die before an infection could develop. At least the Mongols did it. They also carried three bows for shooting at various distances on their horses.

>>34640867
Battlefield? Fuck no.

Missions that fall within an extremely narrow scope, in that the use of firearms would be detrimental, including suppressed ones? I mean, yeah.

From what I understand (Through friends that have completed the pipeline(s), and others that work with them and heard stories) US Army Special Forces, and US Navy SEALs do train with compound bows, not for use as an exclusive weapon in the field, but for "another weapon to master". My friend who is currently active in the 7th SFG said that while they did train with it, he/his unit has never actually used it. While our other friend in the 5th SFG states that he has personally taken it on deployments twice, both to "Not the Middle East".

>>34653025
>Taking CoD seriously

>>34654657
Just as a reference point, I was unable to secure an 18X contract with them due to the vision in my right eye, I currently work for an OGA that deploys attached to both SOF and intelligence units, and is not the CIA.

>>34654693
Dr Pavel?

>>34640867

On a battlefield? No. After a battle? Absolutely, if you know what I mean.

>>34643249
I think twang n bang did a review of these and they worked about as well as fucking with a limp dick

>>34642572

no

>slow reload
>less velocity/inertia than a compound
>less product availability than compounds

for the life of me I don't understand peoples fascination with crossbows, they're useless for hunting comparatively to compounds unless you don't have the ability to draw a bow...

>>34640937
Why does this garbage have so many replies, you see this kind of autism every day on hollywood