Gear Queer Thread - /GQ/

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Soup Gear Queers, quick question: I want to upgrade my plates from AR500 level 3 to something that will protect me from AR15s and other high velocity rounds, but I can't decide between ceramic or steel plates. From what I understand, the ceramic can protect against AP and high velocity, but they can break if dropped, and they somehow only last 5 years?
Anybody with some real experience want to weigh in? Weight is not an issue, I am used to carrying the ar500 plates already.

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>>34639473
you want level IV ceramic plates they don't even make level IV steel plates. They would be like 10+ lbs
the dropping thing and expiration date is a meme. it's only there for liability reasons.

>Anybody with some real experience want to weigh in?

fucking ignore me pham

>>34639473
just buy the ceramics

even the "level 3+" steel plates are very sketchy and prone to failure

also you're not gonna break a ceramic plate by dropping it a couple times, there's a reason why they're issued

>>34639473
Make sure any plates you buy are ceramic Level IV and on the NIJ approved body armor list.
>https://www.nij.gov/topics/technology/body-armor/Pages/compliant-ballistic-armor.aspx

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>>34639473
Don't know if bait but:
-If you're worried about AP, get ceramic. Preferably multicurved to hug them tiddies nice and tight
-5 year limit is largely a liability thing. Them breaking is largely fudd myth, just dont drop them off a cliff.

SINGLE PLATE MASTER RACE

>>34639568
>>34639572
>>34639583
>>34639592
Not bait. I saw the short section about level 3+ plates in the pastebin but it wasn't enough for me. Thanks for the good answers gents

>>34639608
3+ is not a real NIJ certification. Its a made up commercial industry term. AR500 was never meant to be body armor its been pushed into that roll and there is a lot of fuckery going on. AR500 dot cum has lied several times about their certifications and the manufacturing is so inconstant that they can't guarantee that their product will stop what it's supposed to every time. but they still fucking say it can anyway.

literally the only reason ar500 is so common is because it was so much cheaper then ceramic composite armor for so long. that isnt true anymore there are cheap level IV plates with actual certifications.

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Looking for a scaleable slick plate carrier.

Perroz designs LPSPC or Ferro Slickster?

>>34639626
esee 4 is like the official knife of GQ

>>34639626
Whats the chest rig brand? Can't read the label being bling and all

>>34639568

how many times have you posted a picture of that piece of shit on 4chan now? 4, 500 times?

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>>34639592
You bought the wrong maxim brace
>>34639608
Level 3+ such a big meme
>>34639679
The new gen slicksters with all of the modifications are pretty neat

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>>34639698
no more then you have throw a fit about it.

>>34639696
Mayflower

>>34639681
pretty much

>>34639658
>>34639699
From reading the various websites, you would have no idea that level 3+ is an unregulated meme. Most of these guys make it sound like the greatest thing since sliced bread. You have convinced me to seek out some level 4 ceramics. I see the four brands recommended on the pastebin, I will start my search there. Thanks again gents.

do you guys have one or two tourniquets in your gear?

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>>34639699
Don't like the way it looks.

Anyone have a decent place for smoke grenades? Amazon is a shit all of a sudden.

>>34639846
two

>>34639679
LV-MBAV

>>34639846
Two or three
>>34639854
I buy all of them locally but I'm spoiled by having good shops locally.

Anyone know of any good deals on a 3A vest?

>>34639898
I'd get one but none of the replica makers are doing them right now.

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>>34639473
Remember, ar500 btfo by m193

>>34639592
how long is your barrel?

>>34639922
https://www.safeguardclothing.com/overt-ballistic-vests/covert-overt-vests/covert-overt-iiia-bullet/

The armor is "refurbished" which means its pulled from surplus vests. Its probably fine but you should know that going in. A fresh vest is obviously going to cost more

>>34640336
12.5, pure kino.

>>34629056
I'll get you tomorrow man. I'll get you a couple pics and measurements between 11am and 4pm eastern standard.

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>>34639473
dude... run

>>34639286
Best knee and elbow pads?

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>>34639679
Perroz for hipster factor.

>>34640251
HSGI Small AO? I just bought the same rig, but I didn't make it look just like the advertised pictures the way you did.

>>34640881
Why don't you give him some good advice instead?

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>>34641765
My only advice is /arg/ and /gq/ will bully the living shit out of you if you buy steel.

Personally I feel the weight but I am a godamn grown ass man and the difference of 2lbs is insignificant to me. At the time my purchase was good but current price put ceramic at equal foots for less weight but more bulk.

Either way, fuck it it will stop a bullet. Getting hit multiple times or by specifically armor defeating bullets is out of the conversation. No standing military force equips armor defeating rounds standard and getting shoot sucks 20 nigger dicks. Your rigs are gonna bruise no matter what. Be happy you are alive.

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>>34641824
All I was looking for was a simple
>You should buy ceramics Anon because they're superior.
But I guess something is getting in the way of you saying that. Wonder what that could be. Hmm.
Whatever.

>>34641824
>No standing military force equips armor defeating rounds standard
Because they arent shooting at people with armor frequently? 855a1 and m80a1 which will be standard issue soon (tm) will 100% shit on level 3 steel plates, even (((3+))) plates have troubles

Also, what do you think that the M2 30-06 AP round was?

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>>34641883
>>34641896
See this right here is the bullying.

Buy what we bought to protect against the absolute worst possible scenario or else your plates are shit.

If you got the cash get ceramic for the best perfection possible if cost is not a factor and dealing with trips is tiring.

>>34640412
Cool, I haven't decided between 11.5 or a 12.5 for mine.
Any cons to yours?

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>>34641922
I'm not saying steel is shit, or that steel is useless, or that you have to buy what I bought. In fact for the past several days I've been linking Anon ceramics that I WISH I HAD bought, as opposed to the ones I actually bought, because they are a better deal, are better plates, and are higher quality.

It just takes a modicum of self awareness to realize you mad a mistake, and then to help other avoid the same mistake by telling them what you learned.

Ceramics are $260 for a pair right now shipped, high quality HESCOs. They offer a lot more protection, are lighter, and are obviously much more of the real deal. Steel armor is a purely civilian market. Think about it.

>>34641942
12.5 is good if you want to move up a FSB to the midlength position.
There isn't much of an appreciable difference other than opening up your handguard length or buying a Kino from BCM so you can have a freefloat and a FSB.

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hey guys check this shit out I got a chest holster for my LCP
think WGWS will love it?

>>34641922
No, it's just people that know about it and have a strong position because there is an obvious answer if you take an unbiased perspective at it and aren't just waiting to hear what you want to hear. Holy run on sentence batman.

It is not about weight so much as it is about capability to stop one or several projectiles, consistent manufacturing that actually produces products capable of what they're claiming to, and not having bullet shrapnel/fragments slicing your femoral artery, jugular, or eyes. Ceramics do a proper job of capturing the projectile, and steel doesn't; despite what truck bed lining you want to use.

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>>34641977
>>34642014
While I respect your insight and opinion I have to play doubles advocate. There are literally THOUSANDS of people praising steel over ceramic on online reviews.

Yes they may be wrong and completely retarded fudds but THOUSANDS? At some point you have to knowledge the point. 4chan's armor threads have taken a strong ceramic stance but what makes you more qualified then the hundreds upon hundreds of other people that claim contrary?

Personally the rew videos I've seen have shown AR550 stopping common rounds over multiple impacts and the undercoating containing the "spalding". Could a ceramic do the same thing? Perhaps buts it is a matter of numbers and those do not support the Ceramic is ALWAYS superior slant you've taken.

I'm a bit confused over 5.56 penetrating steel. I've seen lots of videos where there is no penetration at all yet some seem to punch right through? Is it a factor of distance and barrel length? Are you safe with steel as long as you're not being shot with a 20in barrel?

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>>34642062
>Doubles advocate
>Spalding
This is why you get bullied.
Ceramic most certainly can deal with multiple impacts while containing spall because it doesn't produce any significant spall by fucking design. Furthermore it can deal with greater threats, while weighing less across the board. Yes the thousands of fudds saying steel is better than ceramic are simply wrong. They're justifying their purchases post purchase the same way you have been for the past week. The truck bed liner comes off after a few hits, especially with the higher power stuff. Patriot Armor Defense anti spall coating seems to be better than most, but at the end of the day you're still ending up with a heavier plate that offers less protection, and that is about the same cost as the $260 HESCOs I keep bringing up.

>>34642079
It is because the steel they are testing varies wildly, and the conditions for penetration also vary. A 10.5" AR firing M193 isn't going to penetrate a good batch of AR500's most recent III+ steel. Make it a bad batch of steel, could pen. Shoot it out of a 24" barrel? Will definitely penetrate the level III steel and possibly the III+ steel because chances are they fucked up the hardening process. Maybe it doesn't penetrate, but that means spall. If that spall gets through (which it often does, just watch the videos), you're going to be bleeding from the neck. Do you even shoot? Have you not seen the 6 inch deep troughs in the hard pack dirt that the spall coming off of steel targets create?

>>34642014
Top notch Anon post.

Who makes chest rigs for tall guys?
I'm 6'7", every thing always feel tiny on me.

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>Trying to sell 6Sh112 for $100
>Fucking sub-$100 offers
Jesus Christ.

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Textbooks are most superior forms of ballistic protection.

>>34642079
5.56 spec ammo will penetrate most ar500 out of a 20 inch barrel at like 5 yards. Anything further/shorter and it won't. So don't freak out when you hear ar500 sucks because 5.56 can go through it.

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>>34642618
Don't be a jew then :^)

>>34642624
Hmm an extremely common round can penetrate sub-par bullshit. Who. Would've. Thought.

>>34639286
So exactly what type of tactical combat vest would an ranking officer wear when in combat? For the sake of distinguishing him/her from the regular troops?

>>34642651
This is some bad bait. None because that would mean they're painting themselves as an obvious target. Horrible bait/10

>>34642651
Kek. There's a reason why medics dont wear a bright red cross on their helmet and back anymore too.

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Rate my M05 ACU cut clothes.

>>34639681
It's a good knife

>>34642570
Rigs, not so much unless you just wear them low. PCs in large or xl work

>>34642129
jack 2nd to the right :^)

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>>34642621
5 inches to stop m193 at 15 yards from a 20" bbl.

>>34639286
So after almost 6 months of Tacgear not sending me my shit I finally got a payment dispute resolution via Paypal.

Apparently they couldn't get ahold of those thieving Russkies either and refunded my money. "no response from seller". I also got contacted via email late Friday saying Paypal had had enough complaints against them that they are restricting Tacgear's Paypal account, whatever that means.

>>34642839
>ACU cut
bleagh

>>34639286
Has anyone ordered from varusteleka?
Are they reliable?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/162602501168?ul_noapp=true

>>34644182
Those are side plates

>>34644182
>>34644210
That would explain the shape, size, and price. Don't mind me just being a dumbo.

>>34641676
External knee pads- Arc'teryx, but the Hatch ones are ok. Integrated pads are better.
Elbowp pads- just don't. Get a combat shirt with reinforced elbows if you must have something.

>>34642806
It is because we no longer claim Geneva protections, my man. The big aid bag still marks us pretty plainly.

>>34642618
with backpack or without backpack

the backpack alone worth more than 50 $

with 100 buck people would just buy new 6sh117

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How do you guys carry with a tucked in shirt?

My job requires it so untucking isn't an option. Also using a full size m&p 9

>inb4 meme gun

It suits me well and works so that's that.

>>34644723
Pocket carry a subcompact.

>>34644723
Get a 9c.
Get a tuckable AIWB.

What's the consensus on having an ifak on the admin area of a plate carrier?

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im making a chest rig and i got to thinking

why do some chest rigs have shit in front of where the mags are? like haley strategic ones (above in pic related)
not a lot of stuff in there but surely enough to make things clumsier and i just dont see the benefit anyway

ive only used chestrigs and vests with dedicated mag pouches but with mags being relatively thin, i think having them in single pouches on the front pals of some larger pouches would be the best practice so you dont need as wide a rig

overthinking is fun

>>34641824
>I am a godamn grown ass man
yankee marshal detected

>>34639286
s2v's or lowa's?

>>34642129
>>34642062
>>34641977
>>34641922
>>34641883
Steel is decent if you're a cheapass, a poorfag, or don't expect to come up against people packing the latest and greatest milspec ammo

Ceramic is god tier if you can afford a spare set, have access to xray machines (j/k), would like to spare your knees the fatigue of a few pounds over your lifetime, and are actually in the military or a LEO that deals with cartels

Beyond that it's all skub

>>34645658
>don't expect to come up against people packing the latest and greatest milspec ammo [running in a platform built specifically to maximize the velocity of said rounds] [when most people run much less optimized platforms because high-velocity is a niche build factor used mostly by long-range hunters and sharpshooters]

>>34645658
>people packing the latest and greatest milspec ammo
TIL the cheapest bulk 5.56 ammo on walmart's store shelves is secretly gucci-tear

>>34639592
>SINGLE PLATE MASTER RACE

I had a thought about this.

A few liters in a hydration carrier is like 4-6lbs. If you put a ceramic plate in front and a full hydration bladder on your back, would that balance out?

>>34645903
by that point I can afford cermaic inserts

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>>34645658

>>34642618
Ill give you $50

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>>34645923
It more or less does, better than with a backplate anyways. Its also one less layer generating friction when moving around, when you have just the rig on the breathability is super nice.

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>>34639592
>>34645923

>>34644995
Fat sides suck when attaching to a carrier or fitting through doors/vehicles.

Battle webbing != Chest Rig

>>34645987
Just curious, is that a single-plate carrier under the chest rig or something you sewed on? And do you just stick a standalone lvl4 in there?

>>34646050
Mayflower Hybrid 556. It has a pocket for a plate sewn in. It's a standalone MC lvl4 plate.
Pretty comfy.

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>>34641765
>>34641824
>>34641883
>>34641922
Hello again gents. Again, I appreciate the good advice. And, of course, when asking newfag questions on 4chan, I expect 90% of the responses to be brutal. I'm surprised you guys are as nice as you are. I wanted to clarify, I'm not worried about AP ammo, but everyone and their brother has an ar15, and the level 3 is not enough for me. I am looking into ceramics, and my level 3 plates will be relegated to .22 target practice. In 5 years, shouldn't be an issue to save up a few hundred for another set of them.

>>34639626
>>34639640
no radio?
cool kit though.

hey guys.
got the aws lab in the mail today, been waiting on it for about a month now.
disappointingly, it doesnt fucking fit, despite being the same belt size as what i wear regularly, it's way too big around, even when i tried adjusting.
putting in customer support messages on the aws website just says '500 internal server error'.
am i fucked?

>>34646528
Call them.

>>34646541
kk they just said they'd exchange it for a smaller size
don't know why i didn't think of that, i guess i was just being retarded and panicking
thanks man

>>34646344
Go ceramic. $260 for HESCO level IV 4400 from gideon tactical shipped. 10x12"s

>>34646541
Still interested in HSGI Sure Grip belt. Please email pictures so I can see what kinda shape it is in.

>>34646358
Thanks, yeah its in the works. Still on the fence which one I want so far.

I'm a mix between a newfag and a neophyte of /k/, with virtually all of my grasp of it all being intermediate firearms, and military historian tier.
I can't get CADPAT in my country, so what's /k/'s opinion of Flecktarn?

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>>34646643
Sexy

>>34646643
I'm about to purchase the Flecktarn goretex/sympatex rainsuit for backpacking.

What are good mid level combat shirts? Can't spend crye money but something better than the air soft shit

>>34646807
PCS

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>>34646820
>>34646807
PCS = Pretty Comfy Shirt

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Is there a plate carrier out there that can carry level IV plates in a concealable way? Like literally its only purpose is to carry the plates snug on you, so that you could wear it underneath a bdu or parka. I think that concept would be pretty cool for a minuteman style load out. Wear LBE shit when hittin and runnin. Dump the shit when you want to be a normie civilian under occupation, but you still have your armor retained and hidden.

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>>34647000
SLICC

>>34647000
>Concealable hard plates
This is tricky since they dont flex at all and will always make you look like you have a perfectly flat and square chest. If you just want something slick that you can zip a jacket over and just look a little goofy then consider a LV-MBAV, Slickster or similar slick carrier (ex: >>34647055)

>>34645214
S2 so have good ankle support and solid tread with a minimal heal rise. Be aware that they dry somewhat slower than thinner boots will. Maybe someone else can chime in about your other pick. Garmont boots are another one to check out.

>>34647066
What about multi-curve plates?

>>34647106
its easy even if you have single curve plates if you're wearing a jacket/sweatshirt over it

>>34647106
even multicurve plates arent 100% concealable. You will still be looking decently fridge mode unless you put a jacket over shit

>>34647119
jacket as in, 1992 German Flecktarn parka, the definition and standard of everything
A E S T H E T I C

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chest rig is lookin good

>>34642621
What chest rig?

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I just ordered the Yugo mess kit for innawoods. How'd I do?

>>34642621
Not cost effective they need to be stacked 3 thick so that's almost 400$ just for you front plate new /s

>>34646676
>>34646693
As a camo, how well does it hold up in Canadian forests?

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>>34647701
That, I can't really answer very well. I can't imagine it doing poorly. I think so long as you're not in brightly lit or colored areas, you'd do well.

I'm strictly getting my suit on account of needing a cheap, high quality rain suit.

>>34647772
Because for me, its technically illegal for a civilian to own a Military Crown Asset like the CADPAT pattern in this capacity.
>If MPs were told to do their jobs, lotsa Canadians would be fucked

>>34647454
Its a Tactical Assault Panel in MC.

>>34647930
faggot

>>34639679
The slickster is pretty dope. Comfy as fuck too

>>34644100
Yes

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Ronin Tactics Belt came in the mail today. It's pretty dope.

>>34645987

Make flannels great again! >:3

I have a modified Chicom rig with a $30 Blawkhawk slick plate carrier. I sold all more high-speed, cool guy shit to pay for a class and moar ammo. Buy surplus stuff when you can and modify it to your liking. Saves you so much money on shit you don't really need.

>>34648008
agree completely.

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How's my gear?

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>>34648240

Pretty solid.

>>34647389
what rig?

>>34648240
Are you 5'4?

>>34648270
BFG Rackminus, BFG Double M4s, BFG Admin, BFG TQNOW

>>34646834
natch gloves, gimme the deets

>>34648274
Kek

I'm glad someone recognized my stuff.

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>>34648008
This isn't a bad post at all. Most anons should be doing Chicoms and Alice gear like the California beard guy.

>>34648240
Nice.

>>34648253
Chest rig looks like it is riding low? I don't know though.

>>34648987
Who is California beard guy?

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>>34648987

Dangler pouch + PMAG 21 GL9 mags gives that low rider illusion.

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>>34649022
/gq/. Decent setup for his budget. Weird eyes though and a Commiefornian of course.

Keep a lookout for a beard basically. Looks like a fucking takbir.

>>34649053
Good looking doggo.

Going operating tomorrow. Trying out my new Velocity Systems LWPC, HSGI AO Small rig, Armour Wear plates, and snickers sling.

>>34649112
lmfao will do

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>>34648008
>I have a modified Chicom rig with a $30 Blawkhawk slick plate carrier.

That's actually exactly the same setup I'm using. I really do love the lightness and freedom of it.

It's not about going after GI gear for me, its about sticking with gear that works and only phasing things out after really deciding they don't work. I have adjusted my gear in the last few years, but at a much slower rate than I did when I was first feeling out how to be tacticool. I think the nitpicky details of the setup are less important than your personal familiarity and muscle memory with the setup. If you are constantly chasing after the newest Gucci gear, you'll always have a kind of disconnect from the layout you're using.

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So real question, do ya'll buy armor because it's cool, or because you actually think you're going to use it. I'm curious.

>>34649334

Por que no los dos?

>>34649334
Some people here are vets that stole theirs. Others have it for work. I personally don't have armor because I am neither of the two aforementioned things.

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>>34649334
So real question, do ya'll buy guns because they're cool, or because you actually think you're going to use them? I'm curious.

>>34649411
First of all, you snide cunt, there are more uses for guns than body armor. I was actually asking why, I wasn't trying to be an asshole. I think body armor actually is cool, but it's pretty unlikely it will ever get used for its intended purpose in the civilian world.

>>34649334
I was a soldier so long that I can't feel well and truly at peace if I don't have a kit ready close by. I don't ever forsee a specific reason to use it, but it makes me sleep better. For a few hundred bucks it's worth it. I post here to vent out all my spergy gunfighter autism which keeps me from doing it in public, so I can stay nice and adjusted instead of being one of those vets who publically garnishes himself in moto gear.

>>34649478
Well that's understandable. Thanks for actually giving me a legitimate answer.

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>>34649453
>Snide cunt
Lol sorry I deserved that.
I bought my first set of armor after the BLM terrorist murdered those 5 cops in Dallas. He had some armor on AFAIK, and I was worried about armor getting banned. Its intended purpose is to increase your survivability in a gunfight, as combined with the medical resources and back support neccessary to treat non critical wound. Did you ever see any of the footage from Bundy Ranch? How about the Oregon Standoff? Those would be reasonable places/times to have had armor on. Who knows if Lavoy had some 3A under his jacket he might still be alive.

My snide comment actually had a rhetorical point behind it. We own firearms for a particular set of reasons past them being cool. Those same reasons apply in analogy to armor. Just defensive instead.

>>34649521
Fair enough man, just wanted to know why. I would probably buy some if I had the money, but I'm a poorfag.

>>34649453
then don't wear it

>>34649511
do you seriously think everyone here is a milfag or wears armor for their day job?

>>34649550
Focus on chest rig and belt then. Get a rig that you can slap onto a carrier if the time ever comes. Not sure what your budget it but you can get a solid carrier and ceramic level IV plate setup right now for under $400.

http://store.atarmor.com/product_p/lwpc.htm

http://www.gideontactical.com/store/product.aspx/productId/31390/Hesco-Level-IV-10-x-12-Stand-Alone-Armor-Plate-Single-Curve-NIJ-06

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>>34649334

Yes.

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How much does shooting with your camelbak bite valve flopping around on your shoulder affect your blood lead/heavy metal levels?
It seems like a lot of gunshot residue (not to mention atmospheric dust) would get on it, and then you're sticking it in your mouth...

>>34649687

...i think you'll live anon

>>34649687
don't rub the bite valve on the steel targets

>>34649687
You're practicing to put bullets into people who are trying to put bullets into you. I wouldn't worry about carbon or dust on your bite tube.

>>34649687
Doesn't yours have a cover?

>>34640597
Still waiting, senpai.

>>34649687
If you're this fucking worried about it, give up guns for the same reason.

>>34649783
It does; it's just been sitting in my closet for so long I'd forgotten that's how they work.

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so I'm saving on some cryes for clothing but I'm still not sure if I want to do solid colors or not. here's my kit. no plates or anything because I figure even though I'm .mil that if I get shot I'm fucked

>>34649759
Different anon but not sure I follow this, since actual gunfights are the dangerous part

>>34649911
My doctor noted lead levels 3x above the baseline in a blood test, and that's just when I was visiting an indoor range weekly. I could see a drinking from a mouthpiece way closer to the ejection part being a concern.

Of course, it should be wearing the cover anyways.

>>34649990
....yes.

>>34649990
were you washing your hands and forearms after the range? or was there just shit ventilation

>>34649947
I can't think of a single good reason to by solid-color Crye clothing, except maybe if I were very nearly out of fucks to give and wanted some khaki combat pants to wear around like they were normal clothes.

>>34649911
>>34649990
Lead level anon: Like any good hunter can tell you, lead is mostly introduced into the body via inhalation. The majority of lead in your food is passed through. Don't get me wrong, you shouldnt eat or drink lead, but the inhalation is the major danger. You can shoot a deer, and eat the meat where the bullet came to rest, no problem, but I wouldn't huff the fumes coming out of the gun barrel. You should practice outdoors.

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>>34650007
My point being that since nobody's shooting back while training, you'd have time to worry about even trivial bullshit like papercuts

>>34650066
Yes, mom

>>34650124
>You should practice outdoors.
Tell me about it. Moving west next month.

>>34647138
>flecktarn
>blending in
>>34650135
>My point being that since nobody's shooting back while training, you'd have time to worry about even trivial bullshit like papercuts
Do you not do force on force with live ammo?

>>34650135
>trains differently than he fights
>worries about lead levels
>laughs at anon who tells him to wash his hands
>tell me about it

kys

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Does this general encompass milsurp field clothing too? If so, can anyone answer me this?

>>34650269

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Now with less fat edition!

>>34650433
What's in the pouches, big boy?

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>>34650433
I appreciate the resize. Thank you.
What rig? X300?
I like the rifle.

>>34650516
From left to right: Left is IFAK with NPA, 2x Chest seals, 1x extra TQ, 2x Needle D, 2x QuickClot, 1x Israeli Bandage, 1x pair of gloves, and probably other essential IFAK stuff. Next is an Eagle Industries 9mm Magazine pouch with an Esstac KWYI insert, with an external TQ reachable by both hands, 3x TT magazine pouches, followed finally by my utility pouch with headlamp, markers, illum tape note cards and probably a compass at some point. Oh and a dump pouch in the back.

>>34650525
TT MAV. The only thing I don't like is that the straps were a little uneven. They could've also been wider for better weight redistribution and mostly overall feel.

>>34649947
Those mag pouches. What are they? pls anon

>>34650572
Is the MAV fight light or no?

>>34650594

I honestly can't remember. my rig is pretty comfy when weighed down with ammo. So even though it isn't fight light it's still better than a heavy rig.

tl;dr I don't know. So no

>>34650608
Is it this:
http://www.tacticaltailor.com/minimav-1.aspx

Or this:
http://www.tacticaltailor.com/mavbody1piece.aspx

>>34650621
>http://www.tacticaltailor.com/mavbody1piece.aspx

This one. Though I might just get a minimav for when I go camping innawoods for defense against the meth arts.

>>34650579
The ones on my chest rig are tacos and the ones on my belt are Onetigris mag pouches. They're cheap but decent. Don't expect too much from them

>>34650579
Here they are
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015SMMT3U/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1500957815&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=onetigris+magazine+pouch&dpPl=1&dpID=41CJT7orLHL&ref=plSrch

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>>34650666
Fucking nice belt setup. Nice picture too, even for an indoor. Is that a flash bang trainer or something?

>>34650647
>>34650671

Thanks for the link. I should've specified; I've got a couple tacos myself but have been looking for a nice combo pouch with a bungee for positive retention for some time.

>Don't expect too much from them

What don't you like about them?

>>34650681

Nah, just a ALS mini smoke grenade

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The good thing about the HSP is that it takes ak and AR mags...

>>34648274
Giddy?

>>34650710
There's not much retention on them without the bungee cord even with adjusting the pouch

>>34646032
And hanging everything off the front sucks if you ever need to prone out.

One isn't superior to the other in all situations.

>>34647701
It's too dark.

Hell it's too dark for the Black Forest.

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>>34639286
What can I improve?

>>34652852
Leave the gas mask at home, color match stuff, light for pistol?

Are you a europoor?

>>34652852
Is that a pump action shotgun? It looks weird.

If it is, how do you hold shells? I'd be interested in a deeper dive into your pouches and shit.

>>34652878
>Color match stuff
I go with whatever's most efficient that I have
>Light for pistol?
Useless because I already have a light on my primary

>>34653021
Bottom tan pouch is the Condor 25 shells holder, on its right is the emptied med pouch.

Is it really necessary to store ceramic plates horizontally or is it a meme?

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>>34653126

>>34653126
>Useless because I already have a light on my primary
Going to be a pain to shoot with your shotgun and pistol at the same time

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>>34653126
>Useless because I already have a light on my primary
and how exactly do you plan on lighting stuff when using your secondary?

>>34653197
>>34653202
IMO a pistol's use is to magdump at very close range if the primary fails (which never happens), it's almost as useless as BUS. Anyway my light is removable without any tool.

>>34647568
those are pretty good

>>34647389
how do you like it I'am really considering pulling the trigger on one considering its on there last call sale

>>34653256
>if the primary fails (which never happens)
uhhhhhh

>>34653372
Uhhhhhhh

>>34653372
If you don't trust your primary firearm, either you haven't shot it enough (train more) or it sucks (get another)

>>34653461
if your primary never fails then literally why even carry a handgun

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>>34653461
Even the best guns are subject to unexpected failures.
Putting absolute faith in anything made by mortal men is a mistake and will get you killed.

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>>34639473
I've been wanting to get the AR500 III+ plates with multi curve and build up coating. But the types of protection it offers is extremely weird.

On one hand it'll stop .fucking 338 Lapua and .338 RUM, but on the other hand .300 Win Mag will punch through it.

But ultimately I think it's selling point for me is that it can stop pretty much all 5.56/7.62x39/7.62x51 rounds available on the civilian market. But I'm still up in the air about it.

>>34653576
>m855a1 becomes common
>your plates are useless
dont do it

>>34653256
And the winner for the dumbest thing said on /k/ goes to....

>>34653614
UR THE DUMB ONEE

>>34653576
get ceramic IV plates you tard

>>34653543
>>34653482
It's a just in case thing, but I get that you are civilians and new to guns principles.

>>34653614
>What "iMo" means?
Now it may be very different for you... maybe you're a cop so only use a handgun, maybe you choose to use a pistol for HD (lol), maybe you're too weak to carry a gun heavier than a pistol, maybe your concerns are airsoft...
in either case I don't care about your faggot ways.

>>34653682
Oh boy, we got a badass over here!

>>34653682
you're retarded and should just kill yourself cause there's nothing modern medicine can do for you desu

>>34653682
You might literally be the most retarded person on here. I thought it was that faggot with the banshee and ar 500 plates or that finnish airsofter faggot, but you are actually so far up your own ass with fuddlore and straight up bullshit that you might have been able to pop your head back out of your neck.

>>34653644

AR500 ceramics are trash

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>>34653724
>>34653725
>>34653735
If fat larpers say I'm retarded, just because, I guess I am...

>>34653800
You have a shotgun and some condorshit. Wow big man.

>>34653739
Lol, what is an ar500 ceramic?
Or do you mean the ar500 brands ceramics?

>>34653800
>condor
>asking basic questions about ceramic plates
>cant even store his tourniquets properly
>shitty respirator(front facing filter)

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>>34653682
Why would refusing to mount a weaponlight be a "just in case thing"
Why would the anons handily bashing you with experience be "new to guns principles"
Why would being too weak to carry multiple firearms be a reason to carry multiple firearms (?????)
Why did you bring up airsoft
What "What iMo means?" means?
Who is John Galt

>>34653800
>possession of an image that contains a swastika
Reported to EU thought-police

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>>34653829
-What is wrong with having a shotgun?
-I have the best possible attachment for holding 25 shells on a Molle system

>>34653857
-You're the kind of guy that buys Arcteryx etc just to show off and disregard something because it is cheaper, even though it's perfect for the job. I'm impressed.
-Then answer my "basic question"
-I don't "store" my tourniquets because they are meant to be quickly used if needed, unlike in airsoft, you know
-That gasmask is the best I've ever used and still allows aiming while shouldered

>>34654053
-Your question doesn't make sense
-Very experienced in larping, yes
-I really think you should stay on Reddit with that kind of humor
-Nice funny cartoon

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>>34652690
No.

>>34653682
You lost me when you said a BUIS is worthless. That was the indication that you're retarded.

>>34648008
That's nice and all but this thread is called gear queer for a reason.

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>>34652852
Seconds saves lives!

Theres actually a bunch of stuff you could improve on. For starters, the medical supplies are lacking, the holster could be better regardless of how functional it is now. The knife looks to be tucked away quite a bit, its probably hard to grab the handle with your full hand when under stress. Your pouches, while maybe functional, since this is an autistic general, ill criticize that there is no consistency. Some are buckles, some are velcro, some are buttons. Its just bad for muscle memory. It would be smart to have one streamlined way of doing things. The two drag pouches on the PC will likely interfere with magazine access.


Depending on whats in the pouches id give it these scores

Functionality - 6/10
Aesthetic - 3/10

>>34649411
you look mexican

>>34654203
>You're the kind of guy that buys Arcteryx etc just to show off
I dont own any arcteryx or for that matter crye gear
>Then answer my "basic question"
why are you askin us? we're the fat airsofting larpers right? why come here for advice then
>I don't "store" my tourniquets because they are meant to be quickly used if needed, unlike in airsoft, you know
you're storing them on your gear and your doing it wrong mr.eliteoperator. Refer to the picture on this post
>>34654448
>-That gasmask is the best I've ever used and still allows aiming while shouldered
must be the only one you've used

>>34650715
w2c?

>>34651357
still wanna know if that's a schmeisser?

>>34653800
No you're not retarded because we say you are. You're retarded because you have demonstrated as such throughout the thread. Come back when you have a rifle and not airshit gear.

>>34650666
What kind of attachment is that connecting your safariland holster to the battle belt?

>>34655565
looks like some g-code stuff

>>34655644
Thanks!

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>>34639286
Opinions please, I think about buying one, although not for this price.
Intended to be used with a FAL and a camelback in the back. As a one day patrol vest. 36hours airsoft milsim games. Do you think itll work?

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Anyone have any poncho or parka recommendations? Looking for something that won't soak through 5 minutes into a hike.

>>34653358
It's great but the Rackminus isn't on Last Call, that's the splitminus

>>34656388
Ditto on this question, does anyone at all make Gore-tex ponchos for good prices?

>>34656026
>milsim
>>>/asp/
>>>/toy/

>>34653576
>one hand it'll stop .fucking 338 Lapua
No it won't, as an average and non cherry picked vendor sample no steel plate that you could run with will stop 338 LM or anything bigger than 30-06 for that matter.

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>>34656426

The GI wet weather parkas are all gortex.

I use one for deer hunting every fall. They're an excellent piece of kit.

eBay is your friend

http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Military-Hooded-Woodland-Camouflage-Field-Coat-Parka-size-Medium-Short-/282490648588?hash=item41c5c1380c:g:ChAAAOSwurZZJGwR

>>34653256
dude...really at some point in your life you may find a situation in which you're one man clearing or point into a room and you pull the trigger and feel a click at that moment you'll understand the depths of what you just said.
also i'm assuming by BUS you mean back up sights in which case imagine the following: a round hits your optic or frag or a fucking gorilla with a baseball bat who the fuck knows but bottom line plan for the worst.
my kit goes rifle to pistol to belt knife to pocket knife to rock always have a back up plan if you're serious about living when rounds start flying or a fight starts thing PACE primary alternate contingency and emergency plans it's saved my ass a few times

>>34652852
longer range weapon (and don't say slugs for the love of god) and better holster to start. then medical MINIMUM 2 CAT 1 SOF-TW or SOF-T and store them better sunlight degrades plastic ie the windlass on your tq check out snake eater tac tq carrier

>>34651357
check out mayflower/velocity kits as well i run a gen iv pusher and it holds 762/556 linked or 765 NATO mags 556 mags or ak mags with a simple swap of retention system

>>34649947
dude cryes are nice but save the money rock some surp or 5.11 shit fuck it plain jeans and spend it on more ammo to train

>>34656416
https://www.blueforcegear.com/closeout-rackminus

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So THIS is what faggots argue about.

>>34650635
Interested in an OD Green Mini MAV? I have mine I've never used, just LARP'd around the house in it.

Hey gear guys, where do you prefer to stash your combat knife? On your belt? Cumberbund of plate carrier? Upside down on the shoulder strap of your carrier?

>>34660101

I keep a Benchmade auto opened in a pistol mag pouch on my battle belt for everyday cutting.

I keep an ESEE 6 in my pack for heavy duty use.

>>34660101
all of the above at the same time

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>>34653576
Go ceramic. III+ plates with buildup coat will literally be more expensive than a pair of HESCO 10x12"s single curve level IV ceramics from Gideon Tactical.

Come one now, I've been repeating this ad nauseam.

>>34653739
Of course. Most of AR500s products are hit or miss. There are tons of options for ceramic plates out there.

>>34656026
A2 has one. Seemed cool to me when I saw it.

>>34645987
This is one of the worst setups I've ever seen. This looks like some crusty old jpg someone finds deep in an obscure forum and then uses it to troll while pretending to be the person in the image. It's so bad that I can imagine it being like that, saved and recirculated for amusement of people who know better, which is almost everyone. The fact that a hundred people haven't already called you a faggot tells me that you must post this loadout (probably this exact picture) so frequently that the regulars of /GQ/ have become jaded and no longer find it worth their while to call you a queer. Not so for me. As I rarely visit this general, seeing your setup is like going back to a nostalgic bar you used to frequent only to find that someone's already puked right on the doormat. You are worse than AIDS.

>>34660256
doesnt look that bad besides the weird nigger rigged plate. What makes it so shitty, minus the ugly ass gun?

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>>34660256
> these levels of autism

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>>34660256
Post setup Anon.

Honestly that guy's setup is decent.
His rifle at the time was usable, and his more recent AR is even better. He's got his basics covered, armor, ammo, IFAK, and water, plus some extra stuff like gloves, smokes, and boots.

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is 95 dollars a good price for a full blown ALS G275

whats a good price?

>>34660675
from 2011, but relevant
http://www.vuurwapenblog.com/general-opinion/lies-errors-and-omissions/smoke-grenade-disappointment/

>>34654598

ah no...its a Windham Weaponry....and it's pretty good. Also put an KMR Alpha on it for good mesure.

>>34656648
Imagine Im running around killing ppl or training for the return of the british. Its a setup for beeing outdoors and carrying mags, airsoft or realsteelt doesnt influence the functuality of a vest. (unless youre discussing plate carriers) If anyone ever wore it filled with stuff lets say 15kg, I want to know weather or not its comfy?

>>34660660
This is one of the worst setups I've ever seen. This looks like some crusty old jpg someone finds deep in an obscure forum and then uses it to troll while pretending to be the person in the image. It's so bad that I can imagine it being like that, saved and recirculated for amusement of people who know better, which is almost everyone. The fact that a hundred people haven't already called you a faggot tells me that you must post this loadout (probably this exact picture) so frequently that the regulars of /GQ/ have become jaded and no longer find it worth their while to call you a queer. Not so for me. As I rarely visit this general, seeing your setup is like going back to a nostalgic bar you used to frequent only to find that someone's already puked right on the doormat. You are worse than AIDS.

>>34660256
how dare you insult flannelbro you fedora wearing gearnigger

>>34661248
how dare you insult WhatGrip?WhatStock? you fedora wearing gearnigger

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New chestrig complete. Combined weight fully loaded 30lbs.

>>34661607
How do you like the 511 plate carrier?

>>34661608

Fits very well, gotta have stiff plates inside tho. Handgun kevlar and stiffeners are not enough to make it fit perfectly. Maybe with less weight, but i have 6 loaded AK mags on the front. With the level 4 ceramics i got today its ready, all i need to do is get a pals backpack for it.

Am I missing any crucial kit so far?

Torso:
>Plate carrier with Level IV ceramic front and back
>Triple kangaroo insert
>IFAK and misc. pouch on cummerbund

Belt:
>HSGI Suregrip with rigger's belt
>Two single stack pistol mag pouch
>Double stack rifle Taco
>Single stack rifle mag pouch
>Dump pouch
>Tool pouch
>Holster

Back:
>Swiss Gear backpack from Costco with hydration bladder

I also have suspenders for when I want to run the belt by itself.

>>34661614
I had the same one. I really liked the skeletonized cummerbund, but adjustments on the shoulder were a bitch because I had to fuck with the quick-release cable and weave it in the back.

>>34661621

Nah you good, now get out there and train.

>>34661628

Dyde it takes 5 minutes to set it up.

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>>34661634
I mean, it wasn't that bad and I'd rather have a quick release system than not, but every other plate carrier I've seen you just move the velcro on the shoulder straps.

>>34661645

If youre running around a airsoft field or milsim, i can see quick release not being that important

>>34652682
thats why im going to make the rig split front

Reminder to join the greatest /gq/ steam group ever made:

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/AlexCFromTFBTV

>>34647568
hope you dont plan to drink out of the canteen conveniently. its alright if you use the canteen for your cooking water i suppose

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New to this thread, is anyone here particularly knowledgeable regarding night vision goggles and NV/infrared gunsights?

After playing the shit out of ARMA, I came to the realization that being able to see at night without giving away your own position with a flashlight would be invaluable in a SHTF situation, and thermals would make spotting people a piece of cake.

Is there anything remotely decent on the civilian market for this kind of gear?

>>34661627
Binland!

>>34662249
PVS-14

Don't have pics bc I'm on dooty but rate/critique my lightweight/bugout setup

>D3CR with PIG harness
>Blowout kit
>cheap coms
>Misc (multi-tool, bit of 550 cord, chemsticks, etc.)
>camelbak MULE
All of it fits into the pack. It's gonna stay in my vehicle.

What do all you faggots do with all this gear? I mean, are any of you actual operators or anything? I'm guessing now many, if any.

So what do you do?

Serious question.

>>34662699
All my gear is set up for range use, hunting, or a bugout scenario

Is the vortex strike eagle 1-6x a good buy for the price? How does one zero a variable optic correctly? Is there a point to having magnification if you're not gonna shoot beyond 300yds max?

>>34662699
Nice gun grabber logic faggot

>>34662596
no pic - no critique

>>34662699
2gun ACM

>>34662699
You are disrespecting a future US Army Soldier

>>34662699
In before the token milfag shows up saying "it's for my job, so it's OK"

>>34662824
>Is there a point to having magnification if you're not gonna shoot beyond 300yds max?

Depends on what you're shooting at at that distance. Paper, steel, coyotes, people?

>>34662699

I work for my countrys defence forces, do peace keeping and private military contracting.

>>34662955
Paper or steel. no hunting, or people (unless s were to htf)

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>>34661614
>He got ceramics
Noice.

>>34661621
Sound solid. Are you doing a pistol at all?

>>34662249
Yeah NVGs are huge on here. I'm definitely not one to give advice on it, but there are several guys on here who know there shit. Keep an eye out.

>>34662699
>WELL REGULATED MILITIA

>>34647000
LV-MBAV

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>>34662249
The inly decent things are going to be a set of Gen 3 nods, or any sort of FLIR(Forward Looking InfraRed) device. Anything under gen 3 for night vision (colloquially referred to as NODs) essentially requires the use of an IR illuminator in order to see. To anybody else using NODs, you are a walkig bloom of light when using these devices. Gen 3 night vision is readilly available and very good quality, especially from L3 and ITT. tnvc.com is a good place to start when talking about anything thermal or NOD related. Generally, if TNVC doesn't carry it, it's not worth it.

>>34662699
I got my stuff because I thought it was cool and that it might not be the worst idea to take a few training courses. Now that I've taken those courses I mainly use ny gear to train and keep up the skills I learned. It's also their on the off chance that the world does in face decide to shit itself and I need to do some actual fighting. I only have a chest rig and belt. No armor. I don't see the point of armor unless I'm actively going to get shot at instead of getting it for some fantasy scenarios that may or may not actually happen.

>>34639473
Not to be that guy who interjects his milfagness into everything, but the ceramic plates can survive a lot more than a drop. A dude was throwing all of our IOTV's out the back of an FMTV and they were all fine. It's just a liability thing. Trust me, go ceramic. There's a reason most 1st world militaries use it, or their soldiers go out and buy it themselves.

>>34647000
That's gonna be difficult in the heat. I have a Shellback slick carrier, love it. I can conceal it under a jacket easy, but not with a tshirt. I could wear a Hawaiian short or some shit over it. I'd look fat but it could work.

>>34649334
Private Sector and National Guard. Plus it makes PT more hilarious.

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>>34662950
It's for my job, so it's ok.

>>34662699
>>34662950
Guess that's me.

I have free reign for gear in my work as long as it fulfills, is capable of meeting or doesn't interfere with SOP's. Mainly being plate carriers capable of carrying the issued soft and hard armors.

Speaking of which, anyone have experience with the Haley DCR 7.62 variant? I'm looking for a universal chest rig that can fit kydex inserts (Kywi) and fit both 5.56 and 7.62 mags since I'm using multiple rifles of different round sizes.

>>34664402
I have the original 5.56 one and I love it, it's been beat to shit and the stitching and material keep on going. The old H-harness is a little thin and uncomfortable so if your going to run it solo I'd look at a better one.

Hey, getting armor for my plate carrier, how do you guys wear your backpacks over that? I can't get it to stay on my shoulders. Both straps can't seem to coexist, so how do you guys do it?

>>34660975
We still need to go shooting bro. I got some guns now too (but only handguns so far).

Man i wish they made the D3CR-H in RG. As far as the regular one goes, should i pick up the x or the original version?

>>34665148
Sternum strap

Does anyone in here ever actually train?

>>34665897
Skeletor works on trains if that counts.

>>34665906
true.

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>>34665897
uhm train? Does that mean like leaving the basement?

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Any opinions on Lindnerhof gear? Thinking about buying pic related.

>>34654584
2nd'd

>>34666266
sexy af

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>>34651357
Assuming you are German as well, where did you buy the d3cr? The new Woodland version looks really tempting.

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What does /k/ think of this camouflage pattern for the Southern African bush?

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>>34666516

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>>34666576
soldier 2000 camo is better but... Rhodie is the best imo

>>34665776
also try mystery ranch mystery cinch fits in molle and holds both straps in a non choking way

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not gonna lie, this shit looks pretty slick

opinions?

>>34666974
Where can i get these? Saw some being used by ruskies.

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>>34666778
I never understood S2000 camo... I live in SA and I've never seen an environment over here where Nutria Brown would be 100% effective. I reckon a camouflage pattern with Khaki as a base colour would be more effective. Pic is my hometown with the average terrain colours for most of South Africa.

>>34663367
I got one for 230 shipped, it's a bit heavy nuts it's durable and it works. It think it's worth if you pat under 300

>>34667199
Thanks for the reply man, do variable optics perform well at 1x? Is it time consuming to switch between magnification or is it fairly quick?

>>34667057
ru for you just made a post saying they are gonna start stocking them, thinking of getting some myself

>>34665515
Pls help

>>34666974
Damn any ideas if this is just a big russian multicam meme? Looks alright but i aint sure of ruskis making mc

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>>34667456
well i mean they're using it in syria so it must be decent
>pic related

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>>34666974
It's just Multicam with some leaves stuck on it.
Typical Russian "innovation".

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I ran my uv-5r under the sink for 5 seconds then turned it on. It is completely fucked and won't work at all. I'm honestly super pissed.

>>34666778
yoo, if you could do Soldier 2k camo G3 sets I'd be in.

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>>34667603
>trusting the yellow devil
wew

>>34667640
Damn those chink bastards! Why didn't we nuke THEM?

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things happened