Reloading .45-70 for a Henry

>>34638615
Whatd you trade for it? And why do you think he was atf?

>>34638615
>>34639000

Tell OP.

>>34639000
I traded an 870 police magnum, and the guy was a fucking spook I swear, he sent me pic related as the only pic, when he showed up for the trade he was wearing a tucked in button down into jeans, and driving a balck charger with blacked out windows. During the trade he pulled out the same EVO because it just happened to be in the same molle bag the henry was in, he also asked me whats the best place to get a shotgun cut down "On the dl" which is what he planned to do with it. I was super nervous just cause he was giving me a bad vibe, and I laughed out loud and said "Do it yourself bro, Just get that tax stamp!" and gave him the shotgun and his bag back and drove off without talking to him anymore.

Whole thing gave me a headache from the stress, but hey I got a henry for a shotgun i bought for $185

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>>34639154
fuck forgot pic

Im pretty sure that EVO is a pistol in that config as factory, not an SBR so putting a stock on it is fucky isnt it?

Also when I said to get teh tax stamp he scoffed as said "Yeah maybe" but I was too busy trying to leave with the better gun.

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>>34639182
>>34639154
>>34638615
Pic of what I traded for it.

>>34639240

ya dun goofed.

>>34639257
I goofed? I traded an 870 police I bought for $185 for a henry 4570? Theres a store by me that handles police surplus a lot and they get those shotguns in every other month, ive made a killing trading them for better guns.

>>34639257
It also had a bad rust problem I was fighting the whole time I had it. So theres that.

>>34638615
>Lee loader
>good for anything, ever, much less a good value
At the absolute bare minimum get the O-frame Lee press and some real dies.

After that, buy some cast bullets (I recommend Missouri Bullet Co, they're excellent and decently cheap if not the cheapest), some large rifle primers, and some Varget. Follow the recipes listed on http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle. 4lbs of powder, 1000 primers, and 1000 bullets should set you back less than $200. The press is like $80, dies are about $30 (avoid Lee dies at all costs).

>>34639292
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3duhNVjAu6E&t=4s
So that isnt a good value for a newbie for reloading just 4570? It looks pretty damn easy to use.

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>>34638615
Lee Loaders are great, I have one for .357 Mag that I use sometimes just because it's alot of fun to use even though I own several bench top presses. The Lee loader is great if you don't plan to load small quantities of one or two calibers, but if you have any inkling of wanting to reload for several calibers I'd just spring for a single stage kit. But honestly Lee Loaders are great. But even with a Lee loader there's still some must have accessories you'll want with it.

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>>34639368
What are those accessories? I already have a brass and plastic hammer that came in a punch kit I have, I assume that should be good enough for a hammer? or am I retarded?

>>34639341
>1 round takes from 0:41 to 2:10
>no control over seating depth
>volumetric powder measuring with fucking SCOOPS
FUCK NO it's not a good value, it's a great way to blow your fucking fingers off unless you're shooting powderpuff loads.

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>>34639368
>>34638615
Accesories that are pretty much mandatory if you want to use a lee loader.
A Lube Pad:
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/772506/rcbs-case-lube-pad
Case Lube:
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1458143436/rcbs-case-lube-2-liquid
Lee Reloading Manual:
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/639649/lee-modern-reloading-2nd-edition-revised-reloading-manual
Debur/Chamfer Tool:
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/789334/le-wilson-chamfer-and-deburring-tool-17-to-45-caliber
Lee Powder Measure Kit:
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/943305/lee-improved-powder-measure-kit

>>34639414
Scoops are way more consistent than you would believe if done with good technique, volumetric powder measuring is what progressive reloaders do. There absolutely is a built in method for controlling seating depth.

>>34639444
>scoops are way more consistent than you would believe if done with good technique
They're not accurate to within 2 tenths of a grain. Unless the user is VERY careful and uses a flat-edged instrument to scrape the top of the scoop every single time they aren't even accurate to within 1 grain.

Also that clearly wasn't good technique.

2 tenths of a grain can mean the difference between a safe load and a blown primer. 1 grain can mean a KB'd levergat and an ER visit to reattach your fingers. Especially if you have an inconsistent seating depth or crimp.

>volumetric powder measuring is what progressive reloaders do
Progressive reloaders have a very repeatable measuring system, unlike fucking scoops. They also weigh every X number of rounds if they wish to keep their fingers attached.

>there absolutely is a built in method for controlling seating depth
If you're using the bullet the kit was designed around, sure. Otherwise you're SOL. Guess what? There's over 350 commercially produced bullets appropriate for a .45-70 and over 100,000 different mould styles that would be appropriate to cast with.

>>34639510
With scoops, when they are inconsistent, they are always under, never over the target load, and the only way they'll be dangerously under is if you are blind and have parkinsons. If you want more consistency then that buy a powder throw, a scale, and a trickler problem solved. As for bullet seating, OP will be using flat tipped bullets because of a tube magazine. This should surely be able to handle that. If you're upset about not being able to use Lever-Revolution without squishing the tip, I'm sorry, this thing was never advertised to do literally everything.

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>>34639510
If it was that big a deal why would they sell those kits that arent accurate enough to not blow up a modern gun? This sounds like bullshit

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>>34639599
Whats a powder throw? Is that just something that measures powder dor you? Can i just do that with a digital scale and some scoops, or will that be too time consuming?

>>34639599
So what you're saying is 10" groups at 25 yards is perfectly acceptable? That being forced to use one of 3 bullets out of potentially tens of thousands available is perfectly acceptable? That spending $30 in scoops instead of just buying the only-$25-more-expensive bench press just to guarantee it would take a minor idiot to overcharge a round is perfectly acceptable? Face it, they're for people who are too stupid to be able to save up an extra Big Mac's worth of money every month and exist for no other purpose.

>>34639606
Because poorfags are poor EXCLUSIVELY because they're bad with money and it's a predatory-sales item from Poorfags-R-Us: The Company.

>>34639627
It's a contraption that volumetrically measures powder and is guaranteed repeatable to within 1/10th of 1 grain (or better, some of the culver-style ones are accurate to 1/50th of 1 grain), and is adjustable in 1/10th of 1 grain increments, then dumps it straight into the brass for you.

>>34639627
A powder throw is the traditional way of measuring powder, it also measures by volume, but because you need to calibrate it yourself it needs to be thoroughly checked with a scale. It gives more options and consistency than the scoops.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1458295370/rcbs-uniflow-powder-measure

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>>34639672
>>34639654
if it does it volumetrically and I have to double check the weight each time why wouldnt I just use the shitty scoop and do it by weight each time?
>>34639638
Also predatory pricing aside, thats a fucking safety concern if what your saying is true and those products wouldnt get to market without massive lawsuits. Which makes me question your claim and by extension everything youve said.

>>34639718
>why wouldn't I just use the shitty scoop?
Because you can trust the repeatability to within 1/10th of a grain, so you DO NOT have to weigh it every single time. Most reloaders weigh every 10-20 charges. Some people will go as many as 50-100 charges between weighings if they're loading a pressure-tolerant caliber like .45acp or are using light loads with a significant margin of error.

It's also still faster than scoops even if you weigh every single charge
>pull lever
>weigh
>"yup, that's right"
>dump in shell
vs
>scoop powder out
>dump in scale pan
>no, got half a grain too much
>fuck around trying to scoop some back out
>oops, took too much out
>trickle more in
>"yup, that's right"
>dump in shell

>>34639718
Volumetric measuring of uniform density powdrs is fast and how the big companies do it. No need to weigh every charge, usually every 50th is good enough for pistol. As the one anon said the charge thrown will be lighter rather than heavier.
The other guy is an idiot who probably doesn't do any reloading himself.

>>34639638
I just looked at my notes from my first time using the Lee Loader, I noted that the variation in powder (having weighed every single load from the scoop) was no more than -0.4 grains, even in a .357 mag this is not a dangerous amount of variation, also certainly not enough to create 10 inch groups at 25 yards.

Go buy a Lee Loader try it, you might have fun I know I did, when I bought mine, I had already been reloading for two years, and bought it purely out of curiosity.

I'm sure you'll have more fun with it than you are being mad at someone on the internet.

>>34639790
yeaaaahhh... +/- 0.4gr is the difference between an accurate rifle and an ER trip with most of the calibers I shoot. And no I don't load at or above book max, since I like accuracy more than velocity and there's usually an accuracy node at or around 90%.

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>>34639790
So what all do I need aside from the lee loader kit to get started? longterm I probably would get a press and maybe a thrower since you guys make a good argument for them but what do I need in the short term?

>>34639905
Buy this stuff:
>>34639419

Make sure you get the Lee Reloading Book. Read it through before you start anything, the instructions in that come with the Lee Loader aren't thorough enough I think for an absolute beginner. The Lee Manual lists powder loads specifically in terms of the dippers and that helps if you're just starting. Buy the expanded scoops kit because it will greatly expand the variety of powders you can use and includes a handy slide ruler that will help with alot of stuff. The Lube and Lube Pad will make the Lee Loader easier to resize with.

Or just fucking load black powder instead of smokeless.

op just was involved in an unsuccessful atf sting and ends up walking away with a henry 45-70 paid for by tax dollars or confiscated by the atf

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>>34640256
Fucking seriously, My luck right??

I checked with henry and it rolled off the line in November of 2016

>>34640324
the guy was probably just autistic, he would have asked you to cut it down for him before the sale and offer extra money if he was a cop.

>>34639884
unless you exclusively shoot small bore high pressure bullets from pencil barrels you don't reload or own guns.

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>>34640350
Between asking about how to chop down an shotgun with an 18" barrel, the charger with blacked out windows, the molle bag, the instagram account that dosent exist other than in the pic he sent me, and the EVO pistol with a folding stock, im almost 100% sure he was a spook.

>>34640390
I'd like to be entrapped by that spook if the only thing I had to do to get cheap guns was not be a retard.

>>34640425
Start trading guns on armslist that you can easily commit a felony with I guess. Fuck the government man.

>>34640441
Still think you are paranoid but man I am tempted to list a cut down and rattled out double barrel I found in the attic to 19 inches, put an after market stock extension to make it look shorter and sell it as a sawn off while being avoidant of how long it is.

>>34640513
Paranoid or not I still got the sweet end of this deal, and that guy sent me a pic of an insta account that dosent exist, unless instagrams can be private? I dunno.

>>34639240
Hope you filled out a bill of sale

>>34640626
In Florida a firm handshake and a mans word is all the legal confirmation of a firearms trade you need you commie.

That and I keep all communication just in case.

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OP you'd be better of getting the lee hand press kit, a set of dies and a cheap balance beam scale and trickler. You can use that setup to reload most calibers with the right dies. If you get sick of paying retarded prices for bullets, casting your own is fun and cheap. You can gas check them or powder coat them and get close to the same velocities.

I reload for my Buffalo Classic only with goex blackpowder and bullets I cast myself. It's a shit ton if fun but I'd stick to smokeless with your lever action.

Good luck!

>>34641010

I should add that you need to pick up a loading manual before you start. Honestly read it cover to cover and look up terms you don't understand, it's important to be safe. I like the Lee manual myself as it's relatively unbiased since Lee doesn't produce any powder or bullets directly.

45/70 load data is based on the action of your gun.
Your Henry has a good action and should handle anything under a Ruger No1 load. Always start at the minimum charge for a load and work your way up to the max. You'll find the sweet spot better that way.

The nice thing about the reloading setup I outlined is that it is portable and can be broken down into a small box for storage. It's also not super expensive.

>>34641010
>>34641076
Thanks anon, your actually a lot of help.

>>34640626
>bill of sale
What are you gay

>>34639419
is right.
>>34638615
I have a friend (totally not me) who tried to use his lee loader without case lube. Trust me - I mean him- you don't want to do it.

Keep an eye on Amazon. I picked up an RCBS 500 grain scale for 50 bucks on sale. The manual scale isn't as slow as you'd think. And as a new reloader speed isn't your friend.

If you've got more time than money the lee loader isn't a bad way to get your feet wet. it is louder than you think. If you live in an apartment or want to use while others sleep consider other options.

>>34638615

One thing: Lee Loaders only neck size (9mm and 30 carbine excepted). For running them through your magazine, full length sizing is probably a requirement.

Sorry you might be looking at getting a press and dies. Single stage is fine for a beginner. Hell, for precision they're preferred. Progressives are for volume rather than precision.