Modern Rifles For Hunting

I don't know why you'd want extra weight for no benefit.

>>34636684
I use mine because I don't want to buy an additional .308

>>34636675
They're used a lot for predator and pig hunting already.

>>34636675
When I find more deer in schools.

They already are. It's not like you need the cost-effective accuracy of a bolt gun for hunting.

>>34636684
This. I believe the most practical reason to use one is if you don't want to get another rifle specifically for hunting, but in general there is no benefit over a traditional hunting rifle.

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>>34636720

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>>34636740
>not knowing the devastating killerization that the assault weapon is capable of

>>34636675
if there's more than one person per square mile in your state you probably cant use rifles to hunt

but hey maybe your jerkwarter state allows it so who knows

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>>34636675
>tfw still have to plug shottys in TX

Unpopular opinion: Semiauto is a desirable feature on a combat rifle, but not really on any other rifle built for any other purpose. For hunting, survival, and target rifles, the simplicity, reliability, and lightness of a lever or bolt action outweigh the advantages that semiauto gives you.

So, if you already have a semiauto that you bought for SHTF and want to hunt with it it, fine. But if you're in the market for a hunting rifle, don't go out of your way to get a semiauto.

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>>34636777
>hunting birds with rifles
this triggers my autism

>>34636778
You can hunt with rifles in New York...

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They will be more common when people realize shot placement is better than more rounds in the target.

>>34636675
About 5 years ago.

>>34636675
Maybe when using .223 isn't considered cruel and you begin using a man's caliber?

>>34636902
t. Fudd

>>34636902
Nobody said anything about .223

>>34636902
Do you know what an ar10 is?

>>34636804
Semi auto can be useful in hunting (for a faster follow up shot or simply to shoot more animals). Check out some european driven hunts - they often use straight pulls because semi-auto has silly restrictions.
You are right though, there are many applications where it's not worth the cost.

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>>34636914
>>34636904
>>34636951
This is not an ar10 you can tell this by the rear pin location.

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>>34636902
>He doesn't hunt bear with a .22,lr

>>34637037

What did you mean by that

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>>34636675
I bought my hunting rifle years ago. It's a semi-auto .308. The reason I went with the FNAR is because I wanted to have one hunting rifle that did pretty much everything. Deer, elk, coyotes, hogs, and other big game. I also wanted a general purpose backwoods rifle that I could use for defense against large predators if need be. That was seven years ago. For the first time in seven years, I'm considering buying a bolt-action rifle. It's not because the gun was bad in any way. No, it's because there are some silly goddamn laws in a lot of states that prevent from using my rifle. I can literally use an arguably less humane cartridge like .243 in Colorado, but my rifle magazine can't contain more than five rounds. FNAR mags with a five round capacity are almost a hundred fucking dollars. That's a third the price of a Savage Axis. Other states bar the use of semi-autos entirely and, of course, many do not even allow rifles.

The barrier to semi-auto hunting is legal more than anything.

>>34637037
hahaha wut

>>34636675
Probably more often as their weight continues to drop and hog hunting is getting more popular. Lots of reloaders are going to stick with bolt actions just to avoid full resizing though.

>>34636902
Maybe he's down south. Seriously, white tail down here are like well fed goats. First time I saw an Ohio buck it blew my mind.

>>34636902
>>34637037
>ar-15s can only shoot .223 or 5.56
Anon I've got some news for you

>>34637104
I much prefer using my Ruger Gunsite Scout. Weighs like 6lbs.

>>34637244
Any problems going through 40-50 rounds on a light weight .308 gun like that for practicing at the range?

>>34637104
why dont you just take a standard cap magazine and rivet it to 5 rounds. as long as you cant put more then 5 in there, there shouldn't be a problem. kind of like sticking a rod into a shotgun magazine tube to prevent more than 3 rounds which is what shotgun hunters do.

>>34637202
You can get big deer in the south as long as the genetics in the area are good and there isn't a bunch of idiots that shoot barely legal deer any chance they can.
They won't ever be as big as northern deer (on average) tho.

>>34637244
I feel like that wouldn't be great for hogs and coyotes when taking down multiples.

>>34636805
He just got dem mlg skillz yo.

>people think there is time for a clean followup shot when harvesting game

Boar and predators are really the only animal people hunt in the US where the use of semi auto weapons is practical.

Any meat producing game you intend on harvesting will be ruined if you miss that 2nd shot which you will be liable to do.

>>34637104
The FNAR 5 rounders on Brownells are like $60 bucks.

>>34637267
Admittedly, I'm not very technically proficient with smithing stuff. I feel like I'd just fuck that up.

>>34637333
Hmm, they've definitely come down in price. I'll probably consider it.

>>34636777
Even though common hunting rounds such as 30 30 and .308 blow 223 the fuck out power wise.

>>34637329
Say that to elk/moose that can take big .30 cal rounds and jog away like it tickled them.
A quick follow up shot (as long as it isn't hundreds of yards away) would be helpful to make sure the big animals don't manage to get into thick ass underbrush and make it a pain in the ass to track them

there are literally zero reasons to ever purchase bolt action rifles. they are NOT more accurate and you can't shoot more accurately than them anyways.

>>34637374
>there are literally zero reasons to ever purchase bolt action rifles
C;mon man, that's not true. I agree semi autos are better general purpose guns, but bolt-actions in full caliber hunting cartridges are typically much lighter than semi autos in the same.

>>34637104
why the fnar over the bar shorttrac or safari? those are acutal hunting rifles

the fnar's gimmick is it's a tacticle rifle built on a hunting rifle

>>34636675
I hunt deer with my SKS.

>>34637393

in exchange for massive usability

no reason

>>34636675
Probably never, For most hunting you should only need one shot. Unless you are hog hunting or something , They are also lighter , Cheaper and more reliable.

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>>34637374
http://precisionrifleblog.com/2016/07/22/6-5-creedmoor-ar-showdown/

This was the result with 4 different shooters making multiple 5 shot groups

>>34636720
they're actually called herds

>>34637037
Clearly using .308 Pmags

>Is this bait?

>>34637244
Scout rifles, muh nigga! I love my Savage scout.

>>34637470
>not "a murder of schoolkids"

>>34636902
There's literally nothing wrong with using a 69 grain or larger bonded bullet on white tail under 300 libs live weight.

>>34637371
If you get solid shot off they wont be running off far. Just because you lunge an elk and it runs off doesn't mean that follow up shot wont hit it in the gut tainting the meat or hit it in the shoulder/hind leg shredding dozens of pounds of meat. The only time you drop game in one shot is if you spine them or explode the heart.

I've never seen a clean follow up shot in my 30 years of hunting game. The one time that comes close is when my brother had to draw his predator pistol to take out a black bear that he missed a clean shot on with his bow.

>>34636805
Tons of people hunt birds with air rifles. I do.

>>34637037
Idiot.

>>34636795
That's only for migratory birds, and it's a federal law.

>>34636675
Eventually, semi-autos will be the standard. Morons with falling block rifles used to talk shit about bolt guns and morons with internal magazines used to talk shit about detachable boxes. Semi rifles are the future and will eventually be far more common than alternatives.

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Was in the market for a bolt gun for my upcoming elk hunt but couldn't get over my desire for an AR-10 and ended up with this.

>>34638577
Nice, what glass?

>>34638596
Just a budget Leupold VX-1 3-9x40

>>34636675
As soon as they become cheaper and more accurate than bolt guns

>>34636675
shotguns and predator/pig hunting have opened the door for semi-auto and hunting

they would become mainstays when a larger caliber that's more acceptable for mid to large-sized game gets a platform like the ar-15 (inb4 ar-10, there's no unifying milspec for it). you'd have to popularize 5-10 round mags to satisfy the cuckstate laws though

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> How long will it be before semi-automatic rifles become common for hunting?

Just as soon as the military can settle on an open-source TDP for their ICSR rifle so everyone can get busy unfucking all their proprietary bullshit on their .308 rifles.

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>>34637374
3/10 may rustle pleb-tier jimmies

>>34639071
Who builds them?

>>34639910
LMT?

>>34636675
I'm not a fudd. But I don't personally trust a .223 to kill a deer. That's just my take on it. I prefer a bigger bullet out of a full length rifle.

>>34638263
Semi auto shooters talked shit about cold fusion concentrated plasma beam rifles.

>>34639910
Do you mean the ICSR contract? I don't care as long as the TDP remains open source and other manufacturers can make their own rifles and parts to spec, similar to how buying something for an AR15 means it works in everyone elses rifle regardless.

No goofball barrel nuts with custom wrenches. No custom BCGs. No tiny ass brass deflectors that fail to do their job.

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A lot really.
>next evolutional step in firearms
>for the AR at least:just as accurate as bolt gun because it has no piston and the bolt cams after the bullet leaves the barrel
>7 lbs 20" AR
>can be built for $200 if you want a retarded 16" barrel
>$600 for us/ld 6.5 grendel 20" barrel
>follow up shots for multiple targets or one
>ergo hunts can last up to an afternoon and a full deer tag unlike week long
And this last one is for me
>bayonet option
>dont have to waste rounds
>don't scare the deer more with second shot.

>>34640118
The OP pic is a .308...

>>34636778
You can hunt with rifles literally anywhere except Ohio and like Indiana.

>>34636777
>trips
>casino trips
NICE

and yeah 223 is notorious for its explosive power, LITERALLY SHAKING the animals apart

>>34637403
>why the fnar over the bar shorttrac or safari? those are acutal hunting rifles
>those resemble stereotypical hunting rifles

FTFY

>>34637489
I feel like you did that backwards.

>>34640143
Uh, yes please. When?

>>34636684
>extra weight

>>34640642
Give me a semi-auto rifle in a hunting cartridge that is lighter than a bolt action in the same...

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>>34637104
>FNAR
my fuckin nigga

>>34639841
I'll somewhat agree but its funner than semi auto and thats why I buy them.

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>>34640891
>>34640254
Like I said 6.5 grendel 20" bbl

6.5 anything has a higher sectional density than fat as fatass .30 cal.

They can fly faster for longer and benetrate deeper than .30 cal. 6.5 grendel is no acception.

Because 6.5 grendel moves so fast anyways the 140 gr noslers expand to .900" which is terrific for medium to large game.

A big plus is that building one is way cheaper than any commercial "battle rifle"

Just make sure bel is grendel 2

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Which semi hunting rifle should I buy?

>>34640984
Savage MSR-10 hunter or DPMS G2 Hunter.

Get the Savage in 6.5 Creedmore, or the DPMS in 7mm-08

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I have way more fun with revolvers and bolt actions than I do with semi autos. You're infinitely more involved in the process of shooting, at the very least it gives you that feeling.

Also, purely for hunting purposes, you could easily choose a semi auto sure, as long as it's in .308, provided you're going for Deer to Coyotes.

You'd typically not want to shoot farther than 200 yards while hunting. And a semi auto is perfectly fine of doing that job. So if you go that route that's fine.

But there's a couple of reasons why you'd still want a bolt action over a semi auto when Hunting.

>don't look like a tacticool sperg (though I know most of you guys don't care about how you appear to society so this one doesn't matter as much)
>Lighter than a semi auto
>Psychologically draws you to making the first shot count
>Less expensive than MOST 308 and above semi autos
>More traditional (if you're into that sorta thing)
>DEFINITELY more reliable and typically more durable
>Easier to carry around slinged than something with a pistol grip and a huge magazine protruding.

But the biggest tactical and hunting application of a bolt action, is LONG RANGE distance Hunting/Killing. There's just no way around it. Bolt actions are undisputed kings for long distance shooting.

>>34640118
There are bonded bullets for .223 that expand to .750"+

Small caliber is a retarded reason to miss out

>>34641042
>Bolt actions are undisputed kings for long distance shooting.
Uh, some maybe. "Bolt action" is a category that includes finely tuned precision rifles to cosmoline filled mosins. Also, tradition isn't worth a goddamn considering the fact that a lot of hunters are fudds that don't give two shits about the future of 2A rights.

>>34641079
I think he means a bolt-action is more cost-effective if you want to get into precision shooting.

>>34641088
Well I certainly wouldn't argue against that.

>>34641079

>contradiction obsessed the post

What the hell kind of mental gymnastics answer is that? Bolt Actions ARE, for a damn fact, undisputed kings for long distance shooting.

Yeah obviously not all of them, a finely tuned LMT or Springfield is going to out shoot some basic bitch Rem700, but if you're trying to build a precision sniping machine, there's nothing better than to do it on a bolt action.

There's a reason why, to this day, and most likely for many years to come, Snipers will continue to use bolt actions. They have plenty of choices today mind you, and even with all the semi auto choices out there, Snipers continue to choose bolt actions as their main purpose precision rifles.

Whatever you think of Chris Kyle...

"In his autobiography, Chris Kyle starts by describing the AR-style, semi-auto, black guns that he used, like the US Navy Mk-12 5.56 Rifle, and the SR-25 7.62 Rifle (aka Mk-11). Although those rifles served a purpose, Kyle wasn’t a huge fan of either. In fact, he talked about how the SR-25 had a bad reputation of jamming up in the field. He finished the section on the SR-25 by saying “There were other issues with the weapon, however, and personally it was never one of my favorites.” That was immediately followed by his words, “The .300 is in another class entirely.”

Kyle was a huge fan of the .300 Win Mag, and for good reason. It has vastly superior stopping power over the common 5.56 NATO (aka 223 Rem), and vastly improved ballistics over the common 7.62x51mm (aka 308 Win).
In his book, Kyle said, “I used the .300 Win Mag for most of my kills. It’s an excellent all-around cartridge, whose performance allows for superb accuracy as well as stopping power. The .300 is a little heavier gun by design. It shoots like a laser. Anything from 1,000 yards and out, you’re just plain nailing it. And on closer targets, you don’t have to worry about too much correction for your come-ups."

>>34641042
Out of all that shit I pretty much only got that they are lighter, cheaper, and can be more accurate. The rest is nonsense.

>>34641042
How reliable does a gun have to be if you're only shooting it once? The only less reliable portion is the automatic cycle.

>>34641153
Chris Kyle is a known liar and attention whore. Why on earth should I care about his opinions regarding rifles when he claims that he shot people from the roof of the superdome?

>>34641031
Is the MSR10 accurate? I'm reading stuff to the contrary.

>>34641104

Not only are they more cost effective, but the end product is superior when it comes to accuracy. Not a single Long Distance shooting match, uses semi autos. Coincidence?

>>34641213

Fine, would you like me to quote other modern snipers who also prefer and have used their bolt actions over the semis?

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>>34641153
>>34641042
You're sperging out about accuracy when this thread is about hunting. Hunting rifles don't have to be sub MOA guns to take game at 200 yards.

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>>34641254
>>34641153
Nick Irving wasn't half as big of a faggot and preferred the SR-25.

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>>34641268

I liked that part where you conveniently not read the fact where I said a semi auto is good for hunting purposes.

>>34641153
Dude I even agree with you but Chris Kyle was a turbo shithead and shouldn't be used as a reference.

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>>34641298

Not him, but regardless of what Nick Irving said, it's a fact that generally speaking, for precision shooting, snipers tend to go for bolt actions, that's not a lie, that's the truth.

And those long distance guys who set records by shooting more than 4000 yards away, they also use bolt actions.

You're gonna have a hard time convincing us that semis are just as capable. As a matter of fact, they've already done comparisons with the best precision semis available with the best bolt actions available, and even though MOA does interlap, the bolts were able to get the best MOA by far.

>>34641341
Right, but the point is that the possibly high accuracy of bolt guns is irrelevant for hunting and only some are more capable out of box over semi auto guns.

>>34641213
>claimed
ftfy

>>34637371

Use 338 Win Mag

Also I've personally seen 300 Win Mag do a lot more than "tickle" and elk.

>>34641234
Mine was very precise, but not very accurate, so I sent it in. It was shooting right around minute of angle with cheap M80 ball, but the groups were 20 MOA left of POI.

Turns out I didn't notice that the barrel was on it crooked.

I'm waiting for them to send it back, hopefully it'll be fixed, because it was a dream to shoot suppressed compared to my buddy's SCAR.

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>>34641359

Absolutely, that was the original post and no one has disagreed with that in this thread. I only mentioned what I did because some people earlier on were saying that semi autos are just as capable as bolt guns even for long range precision shooting.

Some people do hunt 600 + yards, I'm by no means a fan of doing that, but people do. Non related but I prefer to stalk my game.

>There's a reason why, to this day, and most likely for many years to come, Snipers will continue to use bolt actions.

Because the actions are lighter, especially in magnum class cartridges and above.

>>34641079
>alot of hunters are fudds

will this meme pls die

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>>34641341
Jesus Christ nigger I was about to go to bed.

>>34642579
It's true...still. Although, a lot of hunters are more aware/involved in regular firearms and shooting sports than used to be.

>>34637371
>>34641392

.338 is absolute overkill for moose and elk
Hell, .300 winmag is too. My moose got completely btfo by my .338, and have been half-assedly trying to sell it for the since then because i simply don't have a use for it.

Hunters, by and large, suck at shooting, and have to rely on magnum cartridges to kill their animals. Power creep is very real, and is being encouraged and exploited by firearms and ammunition manufacturers.

.223 in 65 grains+ is fine for anything east of the Rockies at ranges up to 300 yards

.308 in 150 grains+ is fine for everywhere else on the continent out to about 500.

Git gud magnum shooters.

>>34636695

Why has nobody taken this seriously? that's actually a really good answer.

better Idea to use a battle rifle for hunting, than a hunting rifle for battle. pretty reasonable to me.

>>34643023
It would be valid if he was using his battle rifle for combat, but he's not, so it isn't.

As it stands, he doesn't want to get another gun in the same caliber, most likely due to finances.

And if there is anything that's anathema to /k/, it's poorfags.

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>>34641042
>buy AR-15
>epoxy the gas intake on the barrel shut
>remove the gas tube
It is now straight pull bolt action rifle
Where is your god now

>>34643050
>it's not a good reason because poorfags

kys

>>34643050
He said he didn't want to buy one, not that he couldn't afford one.

Makes sense. I don't want to buy a pump shotgun for duck hunting because my semi auto works well enough.

Anybody making an AR10 chambered in .243? DPMS did once, but I believe they discontinued it when the G2 came out, along with their shitty small brass deflectors that hate lefties.

>>34640296
They opened a rifle season in Indiana in, I think, 2014 or 2016. There used to be so many hunters they had to limit deer season to shotguns, muzzleloaders, and bows, but now there are too many deer so they added a .30 caliber rifle hunting season. Mag caps, though. IIRC it's 5 rounds if have a tag.

>>34636804
Having been in combat I have to wonder what semi auto "combat rifle" you are talking about??

>>34636777
really good example of how dumb the gungrabbers are. the vast majority of semi auto rifles are much much lower power cartridge than bolt action hunting rifles!

>>34641398
Sounds like a piece of shit.

>>34640796
AR-10
Savage FCP-SR

>>34637088
>wojak

>>34637520
>libs

>>34647546
Word on the street is they are having lots of QA issues. Sounds like Savage is done. Good riddance to them and Ruger.

At least it will drive more of the bolt action business back to Europe where it belongs.

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>>34643116
>filename
Why are we still here? Just to suffer?

>>34647669
I can ask Decu if you want me to

>>34647676
Every night I feel their absence. The writefags we lost, the drawfags we lot, the questfags we lost... it's like they're all stil here. All the missing nights of what was, what could still be... they won't stop hurting.

>>34647723
Some of them I remember fondly, melancholically. Some of them I still hang out with to this day and they're great friends. Some of them I'd like to beat to death with my bare hands for the backstabbery they've committed, good riddance.

It's cute that you made that Not MGNQ thread last year, thank you for believing in Decu.

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>>34637519
>not a hive

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>>34647777
Holy quads, but I didn't make that thread. I was just another poster in the wild ride he gave to so many of us. It's only here I can lament the loss of so many good men, on /tg/ I would be called cancer for missing quests, his especially. I often remember staying up late on worknights just so I could participate and spread my joy with like-minded nameless friends, and I often wondered if the men whose names I'll never know I passed by that day could maybe, just possibly, be a poster I've talked with and called brother on a thread that we both posted in. An almost stastical impossibility, but I'd wonder it nonetheless. I'd always wonder if decu, or kaleun, or any of my favorite QMs would know the joy they gave me and so many others. If future generations would one day or ever discuss, discover, and enjoy quests the same way we did. If communities as close and tight-knit as us would ever exist again. But most of all, I'd wonder if the QMs minds or thoughts would ever wander to me, like how in idle moments sometims I'd think of them, long after they would stop writing quests. It's silly to think, but anonymous internet threads based on helping 9-year old STALKERS or immortal mahou shoujo with drinking problems succeed gave me closer friends than I've ever had throughout highschool, college, and my career. Once you've been in that magical sweet-spot of dedication, shared goals, love of craft, experience, and personal sacrifice, it's hard to go back to the everyday discussions about weather, health, and personal relationships that you'd have with coworkers. How shallow it all becomes once you'd confided and exchanged deeper secrets with someone else while knowing they had shared the pain and laughter of only feelings the outcasts of society can feel. As stupid as it was and is to say, quests gave me a new lease on life. I wish I could communicate with everyone as deeply and with the same vision and purpose as I did with the people like ourselves in those days.