Tanks from a Lend-Lease convoy, sunk in 1943, recently recovered.

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>>34634979

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Proceed.

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>>34634985
Ivan discovers his tankfu.

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>>34635002

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>>34635016

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>>34635032
Looks like they took the treads off before stowing them. Probably too fragile?

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>>34635048
It's love.

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>>34635057

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>>34635074
Last one.

>>34635074
Does anyone else get creeped out by shipwrecks? Like when i look at footage of the Titanic wreck or Bismark i actually feel uneasy.

I hope they recover them all and restore a few and use the rest for that precious pre-nuclear age steel.

>>34636369
Its probably all the scavengers and fungus that has grown over the corpses of the people who died in their.

Yummy.

Neat.

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>>34635002
See this is why we should have voted clinton
Drumpf is giving the russian hackers our tanks! TREASON1!!!11!
prepair for impeachment drumpfy

>>34634979
sherman 76mm in 1943 ?

>>34636495

The OP is mistaken, these were recovered from the SS Thomas Donaldson which was sunk in 1945.

>Drive tank into water
>Not expect failure

Russian discovering new(superior) technology

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>>34635002

>and this is where we'll add the ERA's

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Here's one they restored.

>>34636750
>
Restored M4A2(76)W Sherman recovered from SS Thomas Donaldson. Since the tracks and suspension were ruined, they were replaced with parts taken from an Easy Eight converted into a tractor. The transmission is also from the tractor. The engine was taken from an MTLB, but the original engine has also been restored.

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>there are a bunch of navy fighters in lake michigan
>fresh water so they arent that corroded
>none of them saw combat thus most are intact
>in fairly shallow water
>lol its still navy property just hop through miles of red tape to recover one XD

>>34636691
The tank was the cheapest way to take out U-boats before torpedo development took off.

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>this thread

>>34636369
I feel the same way. It's like the opposite of claustrophobia. Like holy shit there is this giant thing right there and I'm so tiny and exposed. You feel... Naked

>>34636369
>>34636477
>>34636855
Nothing about our species is meant for water deeper than what we can bathe in and deep sea wrecks are in an environment that we're completely alien to. When on a dive to these places we're on borrowed time and if ANYTHING goes wrong you need to leave immediately, no hanging around to see if anything works itself out.

These environments also turn things we're used to like those Shermans into a rotted over sized paperweights, just by being exposed for some time.

>>34636465
There's so many buildings brimming with pre-nuclear steel girders, and you want to scrap history?

>>34635074
Jesus Christ, how many are down there?
Did they only pull the two out?

>>34637083

But many of those buildings are still in use. I also dont want all of them recycled, a few can be restored for historic purposes but the vast majority could be reused, beating the swords into plows if it were.

Hopefully some American devils died with these tanks they were shipping to the communists

>>34637255
Careful with that edge, Eugene.

>>34636465
>>34637083
>>34637115

Is there some attribute of pre-1945 steel I'm unaware of?

>>34637774
>Is there some attribute of pre-1945 steel I'm unaware of?
yeah, no traces of radiation, thats why a big source of geiger counter metal came from sunken WW1 and 2 ships

>>34637774
Steel made before the atom bombs have less radiation in them (a miniscule amount), meaning that it can be used for things like geiger counters and other radiation jobs

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>>34635032
>they left the machineguns inside when they dumped it

>>34637834
Can't that also be done by smelting freshly mined ore in a controlled enviorment?

>>34637884
Absolutely which is why you don't see people going after old steel much, anymore.

>>34637872
>dumped
Read OP again

>>34634979
>lend-lease
>sunk in 1943
>shows an M4A3 Sherman with Ford GAA V8 engine, welded hull, with a 76mm muzzle brake that wasn't in production until June 1944.

Something doesn't quite add up...

>>34637872
>We are about to be sunk by a u-boat
>quick, remove all the machine guns from the tanks!

>>34637793
>>34637834
Wtf. So every time a nuke is set off, every piece of steel in the world absorbs some radiation?

>>34637872

They werent dumped, they were sunk while being transported to Russia.

>>34637902

Maybe in 1st world countries, not so much for 3rd worlders:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/16/three-dutch-second-world-war-shipwrecks-vanish-java-sea-indonesia

>>34637939
Try reading the thread kid

>>34637951
I quoted the OP, not the thread. Try again bro.

>>34637951
>kid
God I hate summer.

>>34637944

When nukes were being tested, nuclear isotopes were released in the atmosphere and have spread all over the world. When you turn iron ore into steel, those isotopes "lock" themselves into the steel, raising its radiation level ever so slightly. No problem for the vast majority of uses for steel and no healthhazard at all but makes it impossible to use for equipment that measures radiation.

So either the iron ore to steel process has to be in a controlled enviroment or you have to remelt old steel (mostly from sunken ships).

>>34636369
Read some stories about divers getting caught in wrecks.

That shit ruined diving for me.

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>>34634979
So anyone try starting one of these bad boys up?

>>34637974
Okay, good job pointing something out that somebody already did 2 hours ago, champ.

This makes me sad, because these machines never even got to attempt to live out their purpose

>>34634985

Is that a Tiger tank?

>>34638396

Yes, a M4 Tiger tank.

>>34638396
no its a FAMAS

>lend russians some tanks
>they throw them in the fucking lake

Thanks a lot you inbred vodka chugging apes.

>>34638158
Triggered you something fierce, didn't I? :^)

not that i disapprove of this, but why would anyone do it?
i assume this is a government operation, what would they gain from bringing them back to the surface after so long?

>>34637939
>M4A3 Sherman with Ford GAA V8 engin

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>>34636676

>SS
>Donald
>Russia


#IMPEACHDRUMPF

>>34639301
i'd invade her nether lands

>>34636944

freaky

>>34638051
Where can I read more about this phenomenon

>>34639399
google

>>34637460
Lol mfw when I read that and my names Eugene

>>34636775

>76 Sherman with an MTLB engine

Somehow I'm ok with this.

>>34638051
Between 1955 and 1963, so many nukes were tested that the amount of carbon-14 in the atmosphere doubled. This worked its way into damn near everything, and we can carbon-date living creatures as a result. Example: Greenland sharks build up layers of proteins on their eyes as they age. Scientists found some dead ones, and by looking at their eye lenses they were able to see what layers grew during the nuke-happy phase of humanity. Some quick math regarding how many layers were from an 8 year radioactive period and they realized they can live for hundreds of years. The same method can be used for humans--if you were born during that period, most of your brain cells are more radioactive than either your parents or children.

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>>34636369

There is just something inherently creepy that something which almost certainly held hundreds of people is now sitting at the bottom the ocean. It's really harrowing to think about all those people who were trapped inside while it was sinking, knowing that they are going to drown but they can't do anything about it. It's like a massive tombstone.

>>34639813
there's also the fact that something so huge and powerful can be essentially invisible from such a short distance

>>34639850

I hadn't thought about that, but you're absolutely right.

>>34639695
>>34638051
>>34637944
The need for low background radiation steel is becoming less and less as the radioactive isotopes in the air reach their short half lives.

>>34635057
Just need a little WD-40 and you're good to go.

>>34636369

It creeps me out more that there is still tons of stuff down there that nobody has been able to find. The USS Indianapolis, for instance, is still missing after all these years.

>>34639813
They're most likely not there anymore. Almost guaranteed any bodies left remaining have long since been eaten and shat out.

>>34634979
Russia's modernization program seems to be coming along nicely.

>>34640012
What about the bones?
Surely those don't always get eaten?

>>34638502

Training for the crews, so that when they recover Russian equipment from the bottom, they'll know what to do. Militaries train everything, all the time.
Their value as literal museum pieces.
Some minor intelligence value.
Knowledge for knowledge's sake is also a thing. Same reason the French Navy bankrolled Cousteau.

>>34638108
Pffft, they're Ford's, they wouldn't start when they were new.

>>34641607
>Ford

>>34641607
>Not LS swapping your tank in an afternoon

i have heard about this news and i wonder if russians bore the expenses on the equipment which they bought if it was lost during its delivery

>>34637946
There has also been evidence shitheads are going around and scavenging material from Repulse and Prince of Wales. From steel to 'souvenirs' like human remains, atrocious stuff. The wrecks in deep water at least can avoid this fate.

>>34641384
Sea life literally sucks marrow out of them, until is nothing left comrade
Seas is too spooky

>>34641696
>Sea life literally sucks marrow out of them
like australian desert camels?

>>34641707
I don't know about camels but probably

>>34634979
Hard to believe its been sunk in '43. The gun is the 76mm and the first tanks with those guns left the US in early '44

>>34641607
>>34637939
>yfw you can't tell sherman variants apart from each other

>mfw i initially replied to the wrong post

>>34634979
>wait till they get the bill (with interest) for receiving the tanks

>>34634985
>>34634979
>>34635016
>>34635002
>>34635032
>While Amerifats were struggling with shitty short barrelled 75mm Shermans, quantities of the best Sherman model ever made was being sent to Russian peasants to throw at the Germans.

Really emphasizes just how much more important the Eastern front was too Germany's defeat

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>>34641384
It's expected in most underwater environments you'll see an absence of human remains within 50-75 years. However skeletal remains have a tendency to hang around longer due to odd environmental conditions, surrounding materials, and sheer luck.

It's now known that the bed of mud around RMS Titanic may contain human remains after bone fragments were found in a mud concretion attached to a soup tureen several years back. It's known that being covered by low oxygen content mud, leather, and a few other materials or close proximity to them will deter underwater organisms from going after remains. Sometimes it's just a fluke, ROV's have on one occasion spotted a jumble of bones crowded into a corner of the hangar on KM Bismarck and HMS Repulse is littered with skeletal remains. You'll also find skeletal remains in tropical wrecks for one reason or another. Extreme cold is the real winner for preservation though, some ship wrecks in the Great Lakes are remarkably preserved and it's general respect that keeps explorers from internal photography due to the chance of stumbling across human remains. In the Arctic the HMS Terror is in excellent condition despite having sunk sometime between 1846-49.

>>34638554
So whats your problem? The A3 had a Ford GAA V8

>>34641886
>HMS Terror

An absolutely breathtaking man-made phenomenon, anon. But yeah, preserved shit is interesting as all get out, I'm truly surprised more night-K denizens don't do shit like that.

>>34634979

Every time I see a Tank from a lend-lease convoy sunk in 1943, I want to throw them into a smelter.
Worst ergonomic tank in existence. Only pure "tactically awesome!" advertising gets them sold.

>>34641927
indeed it did. these are not -a3s

>>34639513
my name is eugene too :^)

>>34641787
when you delay delivery for 60 years i suppose there should be some fines being paid by the burgers

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Lend-Lease was a mistake.

>>34642436
yeah, burgers sold soviets kittyhawks for gold and those kittyhawks had engines which barely worked in the northern climate so russian pilots called that plane "a miracle of engineless aviation"

btw burgers didn't sell spare parts

>>34634979
Are these more valuable asrelics or low background steel?

>>34634985
Did the engine start

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>>34642680
sea animals, those ones that suck the bone marrow of drowned sailors, they drank all the fuel

>>34635074
>>34635080
Its cold. Please. Pull me up. Its dark. please

>>34641886
>hms repulse
>hms terror
Fuck I love these kind of names

>>34639301
>upper picture
>professional politicians, earned position through competence, minister of defense is not a military role
>lower picture
>corrupt fuck who bought his position with money

>>34643095
German MoD is literally green-associated pacifist who's completely incompetent. Dunno the rest but I doubt they know anything about military - they were given their ministries to cut them down.

>>34643095
>Top picture
>Includes a former marine infantry captain
>Bottom picture
>Silver spoon oligarch who never served a day in his life in a fancy hat

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>>34637946
>that link

REINSTITUTE COLONIAL RULE
RESTART POLITIONELE ACTIES
VOC VOC VOC

>>34635016
>So, it took us a wee bit more than we expected to get to Russia
>Yep
>Do you think it's too late to see combat?
>Likely
>What now?
>Museum, I guess
>I can live with that

>>34637884
Yes, but salvage is less expensive, even shipwrecks at the bottom of the Java sea are not safe.

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>>34636369

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv951RmIXEk

here you go

>>34638444
ты дoбpo пoжaлoвaть

>lend lease
Shhhhh we don't talk about that here, it rustles the slavaboos.

>>34643635
did he died?

>>34636737
k e k

>>34639964
Probably they just dump it into an oil pool and let it sit for about a year beforing looking at it again.

>>34643671
Obviously no

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>>34643658
LIES! RUSSIA STRONK! NO LEND LEASE HAPPEN, NO OF NEEDED! BURDEN OF PROOF IS YOURS!

>>34641886
Read a little on the terror.
>"This vessel looks like it was buttoned down tight for winter and it sank,” Schimnowski said. “Everything was shut. Even the windows are still intact. If you could lift this boat out of the water, and pump the water out, it would probably float.”
Neat.

>>34635002
He's like
"well, better the tanks arrive late than never.."

>>34641932
If you want a creepy AND well preserved ship, start an expedition and look if the "Octavius" is still floating around Greenland.

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Would love to dive in Scapa flow to see the wrecks,

>>34644547
Battleship wrecks lying on their back have something sad, i think. Better when they sit upright on the floor, it looks like they still want to fight somehow.

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>>34644547
Quite a few ships were salvaged and scrapped

>>34634979
the ship was sunk in 1945 though

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Bouncing bomb training rounds being recovered from Loch Fyne, they are to be restored

>>34644686

isn't that a HIGHBALL anti-ship bouncing bomb rather than a Dambusters one?

>ywn launch a derring-do sea skimming bouncing bomb attack on the Japanese capital ships at anchor in Yokohama

Nukes ruined all the fun of Downfall

afaik the americans trialed it with the B-24(it was meant for the Mosquito) but the test pilot didn't realise you had to peel off after dropping to avoid your own bomb bouncing into you at 150ft

>>34643095
>>34643115
>Shoigu
>Never served
>bought his position

Russian left wing actually believe this

>>34643095
i bet you cry like a baby when Trump won the election

>>34636495
They were a thing then

>>34645085
not so much

>>34636369
submechanophobia?

>>34644816
There are a mix of them littered on the floor of the Loch, both highball and upkeep

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>>34639813
>With exaggerated deliberation, I climbed down the wooden ladder and entered the oil-covered water. My helmet was barely awash as I walked aft on the main deck, skirting wreckage. The dense floating mass of oil blotted out all daylight. I was submerged in total blackness.

>Grunting with exertion, I tried to open the large hatch. “Topside, this damn hatch is stuck,” I said into my helmet phone. “The gasket probably melted from the heat of the fires. I’m going forward to the access trunk hatch and use that opening.”

>I slowly groped my way across the littered deck to the trunk hatch. I forced the trunk hatch open and descended into the darkness below. This trunk was a square shaft that extended uninterrupted from the main deck to the third deck. I extended my right hand to guide myself down through the trunk. By following the shaft straight down, my hand was pointed in the direction necessary to follow the working plan. As I landed on the third-deck level I knew by the position of my extended arm that I was headed for the starboard side of the ship.

>“Topside, I’m on the third deck. Give me three hundred feet of slack.”

>I pulled down my coupled lifeline and air hose, coiling them at my feet. When I received the slack in my lines, I straightened up to get my bearings.

>I moved cautiously, feeling my way with ungloved hands toward the starboard bulkhead in the compartment, which was my starting point. What I would find I had no inkling. Eventually, it would severely draw on every ounce of courage I possessed. As I looked up, I saw a light that glowed dimly, flickered, and disappeared. It must have been phosphorescence in the water, I thought as the blackness enveloped me once again. I shrugged as I thought: I would settle for just enough light to be able to see the end of my nose.

>>34645365
>Suddenly, I felt that something was wrong. I tried to suppress the strange feeling that I was not alone. I reached out to feel my way and touched what seemed to be a large inflated bag floating on the overhead. As I pushed it away, my bare hand plunged through what felt like a mass of rotted sponge. I realized with horror that the “bag” was a body without a head.

>Gritting my teeth, I shoved the corpse as hard as I could. As it drifted away, its fleshless fingers raked across my rubberized suit, almost as if the dead sailor were reaching out to me in a silent cry for help.

>I fought to choke down the bile that rose in my throat. That bloated torso had once contained viscera, muscle, and firm tissue. It had been a man. I could hear the quickening thump of my pulse.

>For the first time I felt confined in the suffocating darkness and had to suppress the desire to escape. “Breathe slowly, breathe deeply,” I commanded myself. I must stay calm, professional, detached. The dangers from falling wreckage, holes in the deck, and knife-sharp jagged edges were real, formidable hazards. I must not succumb to terror over something that could not harm me.

>I concentrated on finding the first road sign before starting toward the shop.

>“Topside, I’m facing the bulkhead and my left hand is on the fire hydrant.”

>A voice answered. “Move to your left about ten feet and reach your hand up to the overhead and you should feel a large blower motor. Continue six feet beyond and you will feel a watertight door in the after bulkhead of the workshop.

>I did as instructed and felt my way through the darkness toward the door to the machine shop, accompanied only by the sound of the air hissing into my helmet from the air hose trailing behind me.

>At the shop doorway I hesitated and drew my lifeline toward me. “I’m inside the shop doorway.” There was that feeling again.

>>34645370
>“Turn and face the after bulkhead and move to your right about twenty feet. There should be a fire hydrant on the bulkhead waist high.”

>“Got it.”

>“Good. Now turn around, and with your back to the bulkhead, slowly walk forward through the shop.”

>Then I got the eerie feeling again that I wasn’t alone. Something was near. I felt the body floating above me. Soon the overhead was filled with floating forms.

>Obviously, my movement through the water created a suction effect that drew the floating masses to me. Their skeletal fingers brushed across my copper helmet. The sound reminded me of the tinkle of oriental wind chimes.

>This time I did not panic. Instead, I gently pushed the bodies clear and moved through the compartment. I shuffled through the workshop area, threading my way around lathes, milling machines, and drill presses. I stopped and again found myself surrounded by ghostly bloated forms floating on the overhead, all without heads. This shop had been the damage control battle station for one hundred of the crew. The violent explosions from bombs and torpedoes, plus the forceful impact of water, must have thrown the sailors like rag dolls against bulkheads, breaking their necks and severing skulls from spines. Voracious scavenger crabs had finished the job.

>It was not something I wanted to think about, and I pushed it from my mind as I moved forward again. That is when I stumbled over what felt like a torpedo, the object I had come down here to find.

>“Topside, I found it. I’m at the nose cone.”

>“Careful,” warned the voice from topside. “That’s where the detonator is located.”

>“I know. I’m still at the nose cone. It’s wedged under a lathe. As soon as I circle this machine, I’ll feel my way down the torpedo body and attach the propeller lock.”

>“Keep us posted on your progress.”

>>34645375
>Then, as if someone had thrown a switch, my air supply stopped. “What’s wrong with my air supply?” I yelled.

>No answer. The topside phone key was depressed, but all I could hear was panic-stricken shouting.

>I quickly closed the exhaust valve in my helmet before all the air escaped from my helmet and suit. “Take in my slack, I’m coming up,” I yelled, fear rising in my voice.

>Back came a rapid reply, “Your lifeline is hung up. Retrace your steps and clear it as quickly as you can.” I knew the oxygen remaining in my helmet could not sustain life for more than two minutes. By now the air had escaped from my suit, causing the dress to press tightly against my torso, the pressure from the surrounding water flattening it. As the pressure increased, I felt the huge roiling mass of panic surge into my throat. I tried desperately to hold back the growing anxiety within me. I had seen what terror could do to a man. It could take possession of mind and body and prevent him from helping himself, even cause him to give up completely. I told myself to concentrate on surviving.

>I grabbed the lifeline and started back, pulling hand over hand toward the access trunk. The 196 pounds of diving equipment on my shoulders became an incredible weight. Without buoyancy in my suit, it became a heavy burden dragging me down.

>Stumbling, wildly now, I crashed through the corpses, my breath quick and shallow from fear and exertion. Blind terror could destroy me. I fought it as best as I could. I finally felt where a loop in my air hose was caught on the handwheel of a lathe. I cleared my lines and yelled, “Take up my slack!”

>Almost immediately, I felt the answering strain on the lines as my diving tenders heaved them in.

>“It’s free,” someone shouted over the phone. “Stay calm. We’ll have you up in a minute.”

>I did not have breath enough to answer.

>>34645381
>Without air pressure in my suit, foul fetid water poured in through my suit cuffs and the exhaust valve in my helmet. I could feel the coolness of it around my neck. I felt the constant frantic pull on my lines as my tenders heaved me in. I stumbled and fell as they pulled me over and around a milling machine. Filthy water gushed into my mouth. Somehow I was able to regain my feet, only to be slammed against a lathe and then pulled over the top of it in a mad, tumbling journey to the surface and fresh air.

>But time had run out for me. I fell again, and putrid liquid rushed into my face. I stood up again, coughing and gagging. My breathing was labored and the panic was like a rat behind my forehead, twisting and gnawing. I was not aware that my instinct to survive had vanished.
Bursts of stars and brilliant white shards of light exploded before my eyes. A loud ringing filled my ears. Even in my dire state, I recognized the symptoms of carbon dioxide toxicity and oxygen deficiency. A hundred ugly visions flashed through my mind, grim reminders that I was going to die down here among these headless corpses.

>The strain on my lifeline was from above my head now, holding me upright. A red haze passed before my eyes, grew fainter and fainter and finally disappeared into blackness. I was dying and the part of me that still cared, knew it. But for now I would just close my eyes and go to sleep.

>>34636785

at the Pensacola Naval Aviation museum, they have an exhibit on this. The Navy converted a great lakes leisure cruiser type ship to an aircraft carrier to train pilots, but it was much shorter than the real deal. The great lakes also had less wind over the flight deck, which increased the difficulty of training operations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Sable_(IX-81)#Training_duty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wolverine_(IX-64)#Problems

>>34645365
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>>34645375
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>>34645386
good/terrifying read, ty

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>>34645365
>>34645370
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>>34645386

jesus nigger

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>>34634979
There is nothing worth dying for on the seafloor. We evolved to walk on land, there is literally no reason for y'all to go back in and start stirring up shit down there just to get some shiny stuff. I'm sure some skinwalker in the woods would love to share his gold if you asked nicely, but stay out of the ocean, that's not for you.

>>34641607
FIX
OT
RGAIN
DONY

>>34641657
>wanting a slow piece of shit that I can smoke in my 1994 EG hatch with a few simple mods

>>34644871
Why would I? I'm not from the US. It doesn't matter to me either way.

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>>34645660
I know that's you, Shark Anon.

I'm coming to nick your shiny bits.