/msg/ MILSURP GENERAL

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it's a shame, if we had cool mods then this (and the milsurp clothes) thread could be stickied forever. It would be much more efficient since we always have one going.

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Heh, you ever seen one of these before?

>>34633822
nope. interesting setup.

my bubba'd berthier is not as nice

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>>34633843
>>34633822

>>34633822
>>34633843
>>34633848
It's not bubba'd it's a Turkish forestry carbine

>>34633865
Bingo!

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>>34633780
I got a new phone/camera recently and my photos well...they kinda look like shit. I miss my Windows phone.

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>>34633990

I could really go for a mkIII ross right now

>>34633822
Yup. Foolishly passed on one super cheap years ago because I didn't want to bother finding clips.

>>34634080
Get in line padre.

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>>34633865
>>34633882
oh snap. i havent seen one of those in like 12 years. cool

>>34634080

There's one on gun broker right now:

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/667450176

best of luck getting the fucking thing.

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I need an S.M.L.E. now, I need a Brit rifle.

>>34634166
...

Don't fucking show that here asshole.

>>34633780
Are there any cheap milsurps still out there? (sub $200)

>>34634126
jelly

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>>34634400
Unless you find a private seller who has no idea what they are selling or they are desperate, then no, not to my knowledge.

>>34634354

what is it a fake? I'm terrible at spotting fakes.

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1941 refurb

>>34634400

Sub 200 is asking a bit much but there's a decent number of mauser derivatives available for sub 250. Good luck getting ammo tho

>>34634465
he thinks we are going to drive up the price. tbf Ive been watching that one before that guy posted it though

>>34634466
is that awkward to shoot? the yuge external magazine is a bit annoying on my ljungman anyway, I figure thats similar

>>34634466

Also, I may be retarded but none of my stripper clips fit in my svt. I don't want to file the dust cover. Anyone else have experience?

>>34634515

It's extremely light weight and pleasant to use. Balances like a trap gun. The muzzle break is creates fuck huge pressure waves and is very loud. People don't stand close.

It's really fragile though. Biggest gripe with the design. The upper hand guard is cracked from mild use

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>>34633780
Was looking at getting a Vergueiro, but an anon talking about how not great they are put me off a bit.

I'm eyeing this Turkish carbine. I know it's just Turkish, but has some awesome character and apparently has a really good barrel.

Thoughts?

>>34634487

I won't touch it since I have my eyes on a Syrian contract mas 49

Are FALs C&R eligible yet

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>>34634426
heres more

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>>34634588
if its under $300, go for it.

if its not, then save up the extra shekels and get a correct 98k - action will be smoother and rifle will likely be more accurate.

>>34634655
They never will be, and they aren't milsurp.

>>34634713
$325. Already have two K98ks, so I know the deal. I'm worried about my collection being too Mauser-centric, but this is just a cool gun.

>>34634655
the early ones are
>>34634717
wrong and wrong

>>34634655

if you're hoping for getting a full blown military FAL it won't happen since the receivers have full-auto capacity.

best you're gonna get is a parts kit.

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>>34634733
i hear that, 2 years ago there were 2 turk mauser carbines that looked just like that one for $225/ea at the LGS.

I was at the LGS because I was putting one of my Turk long mausers up for consignment.

it was really really hard not to buy one of the carbines --- but i managed to resist.

Have you tried doing South American Mausers to mix it up? if thats not your thing, go Enfield.

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konichwa bitches

>>34634765
SA Mausers aren't really my thing, even though I appreciate the craftsmanship. I do have an Enfield, an Ishapore 2A1.

I just have had this weird frenzied feeling for the last year in buying milsurp, that somehow every one I'm looking to buy will either be my last or is the last of its kind...so I feel like my collection of milsurp rifles (7 rifles and 1 pistol) needs to be perfectly balanced and have the perfect distribution of different bolt mechanism types.

I've been collecting milsurp over ten years, but only in the last year really ramped up the buying. Truly a disease.

>>34634465
No, though it is a British service one not a Canadian service one. I just don't want more competition.
>>34634487
Me too. Saw it within minutes of it going up. Probably gonna go for 1300-1400 though.
>>34634653
The $800 one?

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>>34634805
Ishapores arnt bad, but theyre literally the worst of the Enfields.

Get a proper brit or aussie one.

>>34634918

>The $800 one?

yeah I like the full stock with internal bayonet style the French put on those Syrian contracts.

the wood looks worse for wear though so it might not be worth the price

>>34634400
ugly (but functional) Spanish m1916s in 7x57

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>>34634987
Syrian ones weren't refurbished but I don't think there has been a war yet that would take a Mas 49 down for the count. They are rugged.

If you put 700 down for a bid you'll likely win and you won't overpay.

>Poo in Loo Enfield
>Finn M39 Mosin

Guide my purchase, /k/.

>>34634466
Man I love SVTs... Just cant bring myself to pay so much for one when I hear how they arent all that durable... guess my SKS will do.

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>>34635076
They're more durable than a lot of /k/ would suggest. Just don't over or under gas them.

>>34634958
I actually really love my Ishapore, and I'm not kidding when I say it feels better made than any other Enfield pattern rifle I've handled.

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Just got those two bayonets that my parents bought me, damn if that Swede isn't nice.

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Proofs on the 1907 SMLE bayonet, its like a damn short sword.

>>34635053
nugget

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Now I just need and M96 and and SMLE to go with these.

>>34635053
M39

>>34635053
unironically the m39

>>34635053
A different Enfield

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>>34635191
>>34635209
>>34635225
>>34635239
that was a good haul for $80

Prepare your collective anuses

>>34635786
Yeah my mom and dad know I love everything milsurp, and he's a fucking awesome guy on top of that as well.

>>34636093
For... ?

>>34636176
i have some OC, but my PC is being a faggot and not reading my memory card

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>>34636238
post old Mausers while we wait for anons memory card to work

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>>34636127
>>34636176
>>34636466
finally got it after hardware reinstall.

Martini bayonet for scale.

>>34636573
the nickel plated one is Canadian marked also

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>>34636466
old mauser, best mauser

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>>34636573

>>34634021
Where'd you get that sweet sling fellow m39 anon?

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>>34636466
>>34636592

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>>34636614

>>34635053
Both nigga.

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>>34636638

How much is a reasonable price to pay for a greener police shotgun in 14 gauge?

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>>34636755

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Best $300 Ive ever spent

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>>34633780
Cleaning my Enfield's barrel today when I noticed this: looks like a fucking machining groove right there 1/3 an inch from the muzzle.

I use a good Tipton cleaning rod and decent cleaning supplies, how did this happen? I don't remember seeing this when I got it just a couple months ago...

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>>34636466
1894 produced Turkish Mauser refurbished in 1934.

>>34634796
Are you brave enough to shoot that type 94?

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>>34636917

>>34636945
I have, it shoots great.

>mfw went to the museum in Cody and took photos of everything but I'm too lazy to process and post them

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>>34634466
tfw didn't buy one when they were $200 a few years ago

>>34636959

I'm a burger. Try $1.2k

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>>34636466

>>34636950
That's good to hear. Memes aside I really like the Nambu pistols, especially the Type 14. I hope to get one someday.

>>34636983
We've import banned Russia and Ukraine now so we're gonna be worse off than you guys soon. Plus we barely have any milsurp here other than SKS's and Mosins.

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>>34637006
they're nice, make sure you take the thing apart and check the firing pin before you buy ---- they are usually broken, and will be broken by dry firing.

I have 2 firing pins for mine, live and broken, i keep the broken one in it for playing with it, and live one for range of course.

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>>34636466

>>34637006

Sorry leafbro. Did that happen recently? That was a point of pride for you guys- cheap slav surplus

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>>34637006
you have arty lugers up there - i seen them

>>34637085
It happened around 2015 when politicians got butthurt about Russians in Ukraine
Most of the gun stores have no surp at all now and the ones that do only have left over price gouged Russian milsurp (Mosins, SKS's and $1000 K98s)

>>34636924
Machinist here, better pic please. Might be able to tell you what did it.

>>34636921
wut is it tho?

looks like a chinese m1 knockoff desu

>>34633780
stop making milsurp threads faggot, we dont need this shit getting any more popular than it already is

>>34637223
National Postal Meter M1 carbine.

Does anyone else's milsurp "sweat" when you shoot it? My ishapoo enfield starts to sweat on the darker part of the wood along the barrel. Did pajeet use shellac on the wood when it went into storage and later import, or do enfields leave the factory shellac'd? I'll leave it in the sun with a towel wrapped around it if it was just done prior to storage.

>>34637272
its cosmoline, the preservative grease the rifles were dunked in before long term storage

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>>34637206
Fug, it was hard enough to get the pic I did.

>>34637291
Ok, so it didn't role out of the factory like that? Is it considered acceptable if I got rid of it? Would the value go down?

>>34637223
Are...are you retarded?

>>34637348
If you wanna use your rifle, clean the cosmoline off. Does it lower a car's value to give it an oil change or put air in the tires? No. That's the only thing I don't understand about my fellow collectors.

>>34637379
Cleaning cosmo isn't the issue, it's when people strip the stock in an attempt to clean it that bothers us.
>>34637348
Go to harbor freight or Lowe's or whatever and get a heat gun, then take the stock off and sweat the cosmoline out. It's a time consuming process but it's not terribly hard to do.

>>34637448
Would a blow dryer work?

>>34637348
no, just bring a rag with you to the range, after a few trips youll get most of it. thats also why the wood is darker, because its got grease in it. so it might lighten up a bit in color when you take that out. alternitavely if you dont want to wait x amount of shooting trips you can take the wood stock and just let it sit out in the sun or a hot place like your car trunk. put it in a black trash bag for maximum meltage

/nogunz/ here, I want a Gewehr 98 for my first one. I also don't want Turkshit, preferably German or Czech. If I want to get one as a shooter, what condition should I be looking for? Like, things with damage such as light frosting on the barrel, is that worth compromising on for a reduction in price?

>>34637554
No, won't get hot enough or last long enough. Unless you have one of those salon quality ones which cost more than a heat gun in the first place.

Does anyone know of any factory new enfield ejector screws? I want to get a new one because mine is worn down and my rounds won't eject, but I don't want to buy a milsurp one just to find that it is equally worn down.

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>>34636573
>>34635786
If y'all like bayonets, this may interest you. Pic related came from a family friend who was in the British army in WWI. Anyway, the story told is he captured this bayonet, then had the company blacksmith be at a curved edge on it and redid the grips so he could effectively have machete for when they visited the german trenches with this in one hand and his webley in the other.

>>34637790
It looks like he took a butcher knife and mounted a guard to it. any markings?

>>34637612

> Gewehr 98

are we talking WW1 full length infantry variant or the more common ww2 K98?

> If I want to get one as a shooter, what condition should I be looking for?

check the rifling, sights, and bolt. Yes you generally don't want to go for the perfect all-matching gewehr 98 because they are extremely pricey and generally you don't shoot those as they instantly devalue when you start shooting them.

>>34637981
Nope, at least not that I can see. There is blood on the handle though. Not blood stains, but like literal dried red blood on the wood

>check m1903A3 bolt
>oh shit there's rust in the screw grooves for dismantling the bolt
>have no idea how to properly clean this shit out

I used some wd40 and steel wool but holy shit the grooves are too small for most of the wool so a lot of rust is still in them. what tools would help fix this shit?

and should I be panicking?

>>34638007
>generally you don't shoot those as they instantly devalue when you start shooting them.
This is why I tend to stay away from guns that are both pristine and rare. If I can't shoot it, 40% of the interest just dropped.

>>34638031
Get a small metal scrub brush. About the size of a toothbrush.

>>34636601
Sweaty Ben, it was $14.99. Its pretty dried out. I have been meaning to treat it.

unf

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/670607690

>>34638222
Nice

>>34638222
>$4000 gun
>Photoed against a $0.56 mail box
Ah gunbroker.

>>34638031
Tooth brush and some diamond paste if you can find it.

>>34638401
how about a dollar store tablecloth?

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/670474115

>>34638007
Full length infantry variant of the first World War, those funky roller-coaster sights are sexy. How bad can the barrel be, like on a scale of 1-10, before I start running into issues? Almost all of the listings I see are frosted and pitted.

>>34638046
Also get one made from brass, it's softer.

>>34638823
>http://www.gunbroker.com/item/670474115
HI IS THIS A GOOD DEAL OR SHOULD I WATI THANK YOU PLEASE ANSWER OH GID WHY DID I BID

>>34638823
They'll shoot fine most likely, but prepare to spend at least 700 if you don't want one that's been turked.

>>34638921
Are you gonna keep spamming us with that link?

>>34634090
Fuck off back to the special ed class tripfag

>>34639095
>>34639095
Yeah, I'm ready for that eventuality. Local gun store had one that's completely BEAT TO SHIT, missing the rear sling mount, hood, and most of the damn bolt, and the fucker still wanted $700 for it. Also tried to peddle me "the first No. 1 MkIII he'd ever seen in all his years of selling" and it was a similarly beat-to-shit Ishapore MkIII* that he wanted $1300 for.

He also had a fucken sweetass Comission 1888 rifle, I didn't even ask how much he wanted for it.

i just bought a czech vz 24 what kind of cleaning supplies and cleaning rod size do i need and where can i find them

>>34637612
>I want a shooter
>Doesn''t want turkshit

>>34639145
...?

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>>34639259
Spoon-feed yourself ya big baby

>>34639259
Any full length one-piece 30cal rod will work. Then just some brushes and solvent/lube and patches of your choice. Try Brownells website

>>34634655

C&R doesn't override NFA.

>>34638222
>>34638321
>>34638401

And now I'm the high bidder.

>>34639912
Yes it does.
There are C&R guns that are still under the NFA and GCA. Sec. IV
There is also the list that are exempt from NFA but still under GCA. Sec. III
Then there is the list of C&R guns that have been removed from both the NFA and GCA. Sec. IIIA

>>34640043

Which does not disprove my statement. Being a C&R gun does not automatically remove it from the NFA, C&R does not override NFA. I didn't say that you couldn't have guns removed from the NFA, but the anon I was responding to was (possibly) hoping that once FALs went C&R they would be exempted from the NFA, which is incorrect.

>>34640091
This, I got a surprisingly fast email from the ATF saying that antique black powder shotguns are not exempt from NFA if they are cartridge firing (pinfire exempted) and require stamps though they did bring a weird point about welding it shut and permanently rendering it muzzle loading being legal if it is antique but I never got a followup on non antiques.

>>34640274
That's only if they're short barreled, dude

>>34640501
Could have sworn I wrote SBR somewhere.

>>34640525
It's all good friendo

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>>34639990
Not anymore you're not.

>>34640612

YOU FUCK! >:(

>>34640612
>>34638222

>bids with reserves

Instantly filtered.

Reserves are fucking retarded. Just put the gun at no reserve and start the price at what you want (or a bit below). I have no interest in playing "guess the reserve price".

>>34640675
sadly many sellers have yet to realize this

>>34640707

I just don't even understand why reserves exist in the first place. Call me stupid, but it just makes no sense at all to me.

>get option to start the bidding at X price if you want
>instead start bidding at $0.01 with a hidden reserve price no one can figure out
>this is even more confusing when there's no "buy it now" price either

What do they expect people to do? Keep slapping random amounts of money on until someone hits the magical reserve price?

>>34640707

Low start + reserve gets people emotionally invested in the auction. For instance I would have only bid $100, but now, to spite the other anon, I might go as high as $120.

I haven't seen any studies done, but I'd bet reserves are a net positive for a decent gun.

>>34640658
Not him, but that's what happens when you tell people about the secret guns you want to buy. You openly invited more competition the moment you posted that link.

>>34640746
I'm the high bidder and IDGAF, I'm just having fun. If $105 lifted the reserve on a $4000 gun then so be it.

>>34640746

Did you actually look at the picture/auction? The reserve is probably $4000 or more and I bid $100. It was literally a joke bid.

>>34640767
>>34640765

I truly don't know exactly how gunbroker works.

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>>34640736
I was looking at SPAS 12's for my brother while his account approval was pending and I came across one where-- fuck it I will link it too lazy to type

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/670721970

The guy is a fucking douche.

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HALP I CAN'T STOP BUYING MAUSERS

>>34640811
Its ok. This gun has a "buy it now" price of $4000, and a reserve of probably somewhere in the $4000 range, meaning it won't sell until a bid hits the reserve price.

So there were no bids, and anon jokingly placed a bid at $100, knowing nothing would come of it, and I outbid him by $5, because I know nothing will come of it.

>>34640840

>What is your reserve? One way to find out, Bid.

Hahahahaha.

Even funnier is how he's one of those cheap fucks who demands YOU ship him a money order/check (which you need to pay shipping for and the fees for). I love how these fuckers magically charge you 3% for using a debit card (which DOES NOT have the credit card fees attached), or how they avoid Gunbroker's built in payment system like the plague (since it charges them 5%, THE HORROR).

Let's also not forget the money order in the mail tacks on another week or so of you waiting for your gun.

>>34635053
Print these >>34633990 >>34634021 out on two sheets of paper and start to masturbate. Then when you are about to ejaculate you must choose. In that moment you will have your answer.

>>34640675
>>34640707
>>34640736
Boo hoo. A reserve. Just bid what you want to bid and if it's higher than you want to pay you don't win. How hard is it for some idiots to understand? You're shooting your own foot by not bidding on auctions just because they have a reserve.
You know why someone puts a reserve? So people like you hunting for the deals of a century try to win an auction at pennies on a dollar.
>>34640874
A money order is standard practice in buying guns online.

>>34640874
I am tempted to message him now and ask him what the reserve is since there is a bid on it.

>>34640846
What would be a cheap Mauser (like sub $300) for somebody to buy just to say they have one?

>>34640945
Why not start the bidding there then? Seems like a relic of physical auctions.

Honestly won't complain though, got my first pistol by taking a chance with a reserve.

>>34640945

I instantly filter any auction that has a reserve, so you're wrong about that. Hell, I've noticed auctions with reserves often tend to be dead as fuck with no one trying to win them, while $0.01 starters with no reserve fly up like crazy.

>A money order is standard practice in buying guns online.

Fuck off gramps. Learn to take credit cards, or use Gunbroker's built in instant payment system. If you want me to use money orders, I'll gladly do so if the seller covers the shipping and fees related to them.

>>34640971
Because you want to generate multiple bidders. Starting it at the price you want to sell is a good way of just selling it at that price with only one bidder at best. Starting it below market value gives an incentive for people to bid and they may even over pay to get it.

>>34640971
The concept of a reserve on a site where you can just set it up at the price you want to sell it at is just stupid in the first place. I

>>34640945
If the fuckers don't have the confidence that it will not sell at the delusional price in their head should maybe they shouldn't be trying to sell it.

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>>34640960
Sub $300 is awful low, but you could feasibly get an M48, a Turkish mauser, most of the Spanish mausers are trashed but if you can find one that's not go for it, and possibly some South American variants for around $250-$325

>>34641001

>Starting it below market value gives an incentive for people to bid and they may even over pay to get it.
>someone bids on it
>"reserve not met"
>person walks off

Wow, that sure worked. Tell me more about these reserves that magically make people overbid, as opposed to starting at 1 cent with no reserve (where everyone will go at it like rabid dogs).

>>34640960

Turkish mausers can still be found for that. Yugo mausers maybe if you're willing to compromise a little on condition. I got my Chiang Kai-Shek rifle for $300, but that was a little lucky. Vz 24s maybe, there's one local to me for under $200, but it's in rough shape.

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>>34640945
>>34640971
>>34640985
I agree that reserves are fucking dumb, but sometimes its still worth bidding on them.

>pic related

This was on GB and the guy had the reserve set pretty high. Me and another guy both bid on it. I "won" but was still under the reserve by $100-200 or so. Guy relisted the item and lowered the reserve to what my old high bid was. I rebid that amount and won the auction cause no else came to play.

had neither of us bid, the guy might not have relisted it, or lowered it to a more affordable price.

>>34640874
>using a debit card
>ever

>>34641013
>most of the Spanish mausers are trashed

Yea I have been looking for a few months now and thats what they mostly are. An M48 would be cool. I have been looking at Turk mausers. However whenever I see a cheap one that I was bidding on there is also a cheap MAC 1935S at the same time...in my mind a 1935S is cooler than a cheap mauser.

>>34640985
>I instantly filter any auction that has a reserve, so you're wrong about that. Hell, I've noticed auctions with reserves often tend to be dead as fuck with no one trying to win them, while $0.01 starters with no reserve fly up like crazy.

I've bought many rifles UNDER market value, because of retards like you. You'll can ignore the reserve auctions and I just put a reasonable bid in. I've won so many guns because no one else even tried to put a bid in.

And a no reserve penny auction is generally bad if you're a buyer as there is always two or three retards that get caught up into it and overpay.

>Fuck off gramps. Learn to take credit cards, or use Gunbroker's built in instant payment system. If you want me to use money orders, I'll gladly do so if the seller covers the shipping and fees related to them.

Boo hoo. People like you are why Classicarms can sell guns for double their value. I JUST WANT IT NOW!!! WAAAAAAAHHH

>>34640945
>You know why someone puts a reserve? So people like you hunting for the deals of a century try to win an auction at pennies on a dollar.
>A money order is standard practice in buying guns online.

Who invited this fudd to /k/?

>>34640985

That's about $3, if I buy the stamped envelope from the post office.

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>>34636843
$400 and below

mine was $100 a few years back

>>34641019
Maybe you should read my post again and carefully this time. I never mentioned a reserve at all. You can still have a reserve and have it under market value, but not at a spot you'll lose too much money on.

>>34641051
Yeah. A lot of idiots won't even try. They just see a reserve and assume that it's overpriced.

>>34641075
Ah well, suppose I don't have a burning need for one. Glad someone is happy for 230 bucks.

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>>34637790
kewl

i once held an original 1900 Krag BOWIE KNIFE bayonet.

Only ever seen 2 (other was at Rock Island Premiere Auction)

>>34640971
>Seems like a relic of physical auctions.

It is. It's a holdover from physical auctions where the auctioneering house had much more say in the pricing of the item out of necessity. With an online auction where the actual seller is responsible for listing their stuff, it serves zero purpose other than some stupid psychological gamesmanship.

>>34641063
fudds go home

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>>34641065
Right.

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>>34641096
>he doesn't treat every online encounter and transaction as psychological gamesmanship
I have no friends. help

>>34641091
It's a quick filter so I don't have to comb through three times the amount of penny auctions. But I imagine it's a decent way to get a deal if you have the patience.

Is there a particular reloading manual that has a lot of milsurp data?

I got one of the Nosler books with my reloading kit, it's nearly useless for milsurp reloading.

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>tfw spent 400 on an all matching last ditch arisaka with mum
>see another one for 300 bucks
>tfw retarded

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>>34641161
Post pics. I can tell you if a shit deal or not.

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>>34641161
This always happens to me. I have never gotten a good deal on any of my guns that wasn't
immediately eclipsed by a great deal

>>34641161
>>34641195


>Decide to get a Chiang Kai-Shek raifu since the CBI theater was more than big enough to warrant China being included as a major contributor to the war.
>Know a site that has one, but they've had it for a while so it's probably not going to sell any time soon.
>Work on other raifus that are higher priority, but keep an eye on that one.
>Go to fun show, see CKS rifle.
>Make a bid, do the paperwork, wait for far too long.
>Cops think it's stolen.
>tableflip.gif
>Finish up with some other priorities, decide to get the CKS rifle that weekend after picking up a PING! at another gun show.
>See a CKS on GB for $200, bid it up a bit.
>Go to check retailer to confirm that theirs was $400 so I don't overbid.
>$300
>wat
>They dropped the price literally the week I was going to buy it.
>Snap that fucker up.

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>>34636592
What is the one on the top?

Anyone know what the story on this is? The Wikipedia entry makes no mention of a 9mm Chinese C96.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/670176677

>>34641295
It was probably shot out, so the barrel was bored out and rechambered for 9mm, then someone relined it back to 7.63.

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>>34641295
>that jeweling and strawing

>>34640985
>I'll gladly do so if the seller covers the shipping and fees related to them.
That's not even $2. a 47 cent stamp and a dollar and some change for a money order.

>>34641161
I've made money and lost money on milsurp. It's all part of the game, dude.

>>34641329
How would that have even worked with 9mm?

>>34641159
Speer 14 has a lot, though it's still somewhat limited.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/537267/speer-reloading-manual-14

How much is an m97 with bayonette? Original? Anything to look for when checking originals? Does anyone make repros? Are they any good?

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>>34641278
Gewehr 71. First Mauser adopted for military service. Second ever Mauser design after the Mauser-Norris.

I got pokeys for it too.

>>34641403

It's the principle of the thing. If they want to use the ancient and outdated method, they have to pay for it, not me.

>>34641531
Ok chief. More guns for me.

>>34641531

The autism is strong with this one.

>>34641586

Indeed.

Eurofag here, a Mauser 1871 should count as an antique under US laws, right? Certainly falls into this category where I live, and I'm planning on buying one, maybe from the US.

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>>34633780
Just bought my first milsurp, lads. I almost came in my pants when i took her shooting

I'm fucking stoked to buy more

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>>34641670
Is that a 1890 or 1892?

>>34641652

Was it MANUFACTURED before 1899? If so then yes it's an antique, design date is irrelevant.

The Italian repros of Trapdoor Springfields are not legally antiques, despite being a 140 year old design.

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>>34641701
did they make 1892s in 1891?

>>34641723
Was mainly asking since the ATF page also mentions that it shouldn't be firing a "readily available round" in order to be an antique, and that sounds vague as fuck.

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>>34641731
I don't THINK they did.

>>34641744

I haven't really heard that before, so I dunno, I've only ever heard the age.

>>34641731

Date of adoption != date of manufacture, so they very could have, but probably not.

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>>34641762
well it does say 1890 on the side

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>>34641819
The barrel date isn't inherently the date of adoption. That's found on the roundel in the stock.
>>34641826
I need a 1890. And 07/15. And a bunch of other stuff.

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>>34641931
yea i hear that. I've been taking a bit of a break on buying though. Im saving up for some land so I can shoot steel plates and tannerite all day.

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>>34641697
Nice Kebab kannon.

>>34641697
nice faggot in the background

>>34641819
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-ammunition-gun-control-act-definitions-0

>>34642086

Ah! The important bit is part B. REPLICAS can count as antiques if ammo isn't available.

Anyone know where I can get a C96 trigger? I've tried all the usual suspects (Numrich, Sarco, GunBroker, eBay) with no luck.

>>34642156
Yeah, guess I speedread through it.

>>34642172

So for instance the Italian replicas I mentioned earlier can't be antiques because .45-70 is easily available. But if they made a replica of an 1865 Trapdoor it WOULD be an antique, because .58-70 doesn't fucking exist. Similarly a replica of an original Henry rifle would also qualify as no one is making .44 Henry anymore.

Is a Madsen m47 worth $800?

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>>34642265
great rifles and you dont see them too often

>>34642496
>serated blade against the gun

Eeek

where do you guys buy your milsurps?

>>34642559
its okay, i spit on it before i shoved it in there

>>34642707
The family members of baby boomers

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>>34640960
Paid $300 2 summers ago at my family's LGS you just need the connections to get the deals mane

>>34640985
You realize that using a credit card is always more expensive if there are fees?

>>34640874
Shipping a money order is literally cheaper than paying 3% on a credit card

>>34642265
You'd be hard pressed to find one cheaper.

>>34643697
>>34643707

>debit cards
>having a charge fee like a credit card

???

>>34643940
Yeah, they do. Ask Visa sometime.

>>34643983

They don't, or they shouldn't. Debit cards are exempt from credit card fees due to the nature of it being a straight deposit/withdrawal. I know for a face that debit cards do not give a 3% fee to my local gas station for example (and thus he treats debit like paying with cash).

>>34644001
It's not 3% no, but it is a fee. And that's only while using its debit function, something you need to do in person. A lot of places will just eat the fee, but smaller businesses with low profit margins (most gun stores) can't realistically afford that.

>>34642707

Gunbroker, pawn shops, gun shows.

>>34642707
Auctions

>>34643940
>using a debit card online or over the phone
>how to have your card compromised 101

Gun Jesus is going to write a book about frog rifles.

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>>34642707
Auctions mostly. Occasionally I'll find a good deal in a local shop.
>pic related

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Found this at my local pawn shop. Yes or no?

>>34645087
What is it?

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>>34633780
Hey friendos, I know I had asked this on the previous thread but it had closed before I could see any replies. Anyways, I need assistance in identifying this bayonet. Ive heard that it seems to bare characteristics to both a 1907 Enfield or Early Turkish Mauser bayo. Any ideas?please and thank you!

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Gew 88 commission rifle remade for turks

>>34645087
For $250 I'd do it, depending on overall condition.

I'd haggle though, if possible.

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>>34645117
Here's all that's left of the serials.

>>34645120

I'd see if you can get it for 200-225.

>>34645097
gewehr 88 that the t*rks converted to 8mm

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>>34645087
>>34645105
It's bolt-matching right? Do it already.

>>34645117
Turkish-modified British Pattern 1907 SMLE bayonet.

>>34645087
Where are you located? If you don't buy it, I will. I've been trying to find one near me for months to no luck

>>34645097
Turk'd 88/05 Commission rifle converted for Spitzer bullets

>>34645190
Not matching bolt

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>>34645190
Interesting, did the Turks do that to a lot if captured Brit equipment?

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Paging Arisakanon, any chance you can tell me the details on this Type 38? Let me know if you need a better picture. All I know is that it was given to a school, nothing else, serial says 0017593

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>>34645221
>did the Turks do that to a lot if captured Brit equipment?
Johnny Turk will make a working rifle/bayonet combo out of ANYTHING. They would retrofit lots of these bayonets (or at least re-use the blades) to later fit their M1 Garands, G1 FALs and even G3s.

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>>34645120
That's a fair price. They're neat, if heavy, rifles.

Well I got it, pictures soon

what sites do you guys check other than the big ones like gb, armslist and libertytree?

>>34636924
>>34637293
counterbored maybe?

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>>34645608
>Giving away surp sources

Memes aside, Allan's armory and rguns can sometimes be worth it

>>34633848
CUTE!

>>34645267
That actually explains a lot. There's unusual tooling marks around the adapter or whatever the hell you call it.

>>34645643
No, that scratch or whatever it is is only partial. I haven't even shot it yet, but I feel like I'm gonna have to counter bore it to preserve accuracy.

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>>34645087
No. Thats a Turk modified Gew 88/05 - anything over $100 is a ripoff.

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>>34645244
>17593
Well I can tell you that my Tokyo Arsenal T38 rifle, SN 212662 was made in 1909 according to Arisuka's reference books, so yours is probably first or second year of production.

>>34645244
That's a pretty early one. Carbine or rifle? Tokyo Arsenal of course. Earliest one I've seen desu.

And yeah, you're right that it was given to a school.

>>34646112
>>34646195
It's a rifle, full length. Pretty cool that it's an early production, really unfortunate that it's in such rough shape though. Nothing I've done has been able to get the deep rust out of the metal.

Got that Gew 88/05 for $225, bluing is pristine, barrel is nice and shiny, pictures to come soon, probably next thread.

>>34646231
Patience. Keep the metal soaked in penetrating oil for a few days. Then oil up a bronze bore brush and tackle the pitted parts.

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bamp

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So I have a bunch of various 8mm Mauser ammo.
And a handful of bolt action 8mm rifles.
Now I really want a semi auto 8mm, what should I start looking for?

>>34634713
I ended up buying it today.

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>>34647258
I have one of those too.

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Question about cleaning. My vetterli has what looks like pitting, but instead of being into the metal, it is raised. It almost looks like lead but isn't in streaks. It comes off eventually. But I've gone through two brass brushes and a whole bag of patches and a whole bottle of jb bore shine. Any thoughts on how to heavily clean it better.

>mfw I can't get a specific section of the bore to get into focus on any camera

>>34633780
Any Garand owners here? I just got my garand gear gas plug. When installing it should I tighten it hand tight, or use a tool to go even tighter?

>>34647616
If it's raised and not going away with cleaning then it's probably a defect in the barrel, chill out and don't over clean that barrel

Would I be able to run some PPU through the Gew 88/05 I just got? I know that they don't like some 8mm ammo types.

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>>34647346
The Hakim is the best.

There's also the Egyptian contract FN 49, G41, G43, and the Yugo M76 if you're an AK fan.

>>34648797
Well if it's a 88/05 PPU should be fine.

Check and make sure the bore is .323, and not .318

>>34648797
PPU is fine.

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>>34634206

I need a lithgow and no4 mk1

>>34634958
>>34635114

Both my ishaporez are outstanding. My 1941 is just as good as any British made one I've handled. Pre independence they were made on British tooling under British supervision since they were sent to forces all over. My 2a1 is a bit crude, but still very nice and smooth

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>get new rifle
>dirty scraps of past cleaning rag in the receiver
this has happened for both my Berthier and now this Kar98az

>>34648298
It's all throughout the barrel, so its probably not a manufacturing defect. And I could scrape the few bits near the muzzle and they seemed like lead to me. It's like a less dense popcorn ceiling...of lead

>>34649040
When I bought my Martini-Henry there was the remains of an original British style battery cup primer binding the trigger.

>>34648886
>>34648868
Thanks, I'll take some pictures of it for the next thread. Unfortunatly, the only matching parts appear to be the receiver, barrel, magazine, and the barrel bands. The finish is very nice though, and the bore is pristine. I've always wanted one of these Gew 88's.

anyone know what this L3 means below the date? It's a 1909 Erfurt Kar 98, it's sportered, but it has Kar 98 engraved on the side, so I'm assuming it was always a carbine
>>34649069
noice

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>>34649165
pic

https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=8348&idcategory=2

>>34649180
import marks really trigger my autism

>>34649117
Yeah Turk guns are typically mix masters. But they're still fun and cheap.

Should I buy a k31?

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>>34649260
If you want one. They're pretty neat I guess.

>>34649260

I own one and find it to be a pretty awesome gun. they are bulky though so be aware of that.

>>34649260
good luck finding one anywhere but gunbroker. ive been looking for over a month

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>>34647651
i used a screwdriver, but still basically "hand tight"

>>34647417
nice

>>34648797
i shoot PPU and reloads in mine

>>34649390
Saw one on Saturday at my lgs, FOR $850! Regular fuckin beech stock and blue wear.

>>34649562
>charging significantly more than gunbroker

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>>34649260
Sure, why not

Im looking at a Krag for $250 on gunbroker in good condition, would it be worth it?

>>34649639
For 250 it's almost certainly sporterized.

>>34649639
There is no way a Krag can go for $250 and not be sporterized.

>>34649593
It was insanity.

>>34649639

>250

are you planning on fixing it up?

>>34649260

Do you want one? Can you afford one? Then yes.

>>34649639

Ammo is about $2.50 per round.

what's the cheapest k98 i can get in .308 and what should i expect to pay?

Halp. I'm talking myself into getting a new car next spring, but if I do that I can't buy as much 'surp. Save me /k/!

>>34649495
>nice
It's on its way, and I'm really fucking especially excited for this one for some reason.

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>>34650039

>Ammo is about $2.50 per round.
>not just straight up fucking reloading

>>34650039
>Ammo is about $2.50 per round.

you're about $1 hogh

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>>34650365
>Stop in every lgs in my town
>Ask for 7.5 French or 7mm mauser
>Only one store has any
>7.5 is $26 a box while 7mm mauser is $34
>6.5 Jap is $27+tax and they have 4 fucking boxes of 30-40 Krag for $28

Fuck that guy and his store, it's the only place in the Tri-cities with 6.5 Jap but his prices are atrocious. He wanted $50 for a repo long mauser sling and $550 for a poorly bubba'd 98/48

>>34650625
There is this wonderful place called the internet

>>34650625
>not buying off the internet

I know that feeling though, all the stores near me blow for milsurp, closest decent store is about 40 minutes away, and they primarily deal in black powder. Next best is about an hour away, and everything they have is overpriced. Not to mention I work weekends so no gun shows for me.

>>34634400
Check gander. "Going out of business" sale going on. I snagged a Type 99 for $225

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>beautiful 1903A3 at my LGS
>can't put it on layaway because I'll be gone at BCT and AIT the next 3 months

>>34650625

>mfw I bought 20 rounds of .303 british for $40 bucks at big 5 sporting goods
>did it because I felt bad for the counter guy because I asked a bunch of questions about guns

still kick myself about it

>Not having a trusted gunbuddy to do it for you.

>>34650097
Israeli. About $4-500 or so.

Is there a infograph on identifying Enfields? Found one at my LGS for 350 and the wood and finish is great. No idea what it is or how to identify if it's worth more or less than 350. How much is .303 anyway?

>>34651038

350 is pretty standard for SMLEs these days, all you really need to see for the model is printed on the metal band on the wrist of the rifle.

>>34651002
>$4-500 or so.
More like 800.

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>>34650705
Oh, I went home and ordered 4 boxes of 7.5 French from aim for like $17 a piece