The problem I have with nationwide concealed handgun license

>>34627574
I don't think having to take a class and not be a felon are unreasonable requirements. If you spent any time outside you'd know that people are fucking retarded and are prone to doing stupid shit with guns.

>>34628888
>I don't think having to take a class and not be a felon are unreasonable requirements.

sadly much of /k/ disagrees with you

>>34628888
>muh safety
fuck off

SHALL!

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>>34628888
>>34628899
Can't argue with quads and dubs of truth

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>>34628888
this

OP btfo

The Federal government has no authority to regulate carry, but states might, depending on their constitutions. Not sure if any legitimately do.

>>34629199
The federal government has the authority. If the federal government were to pass a concealed carry permit act all state laws that might contradict it would be null and void. It just hasn't passed any such bill yet so it was left up to the states to make their own laws regarding carry.

>>34629277
It passed the 2nd when the bill of rights was passed. Thats how far we've sunk from the constitution. Now we dont argue the constitution. Now we argue how much we want to constitution trampled on and misinterpreted.
The Constitution of the United States of America was written as is. There is no other way to understand it. Read the words. We dont need laws based on what someone wants it to say.

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I'm going to Washington state from Georgia in a few months and wanma continue to cc. What hoops would I have to jump through to be able to?

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>>34628888
>I don't think having to take a class and not be a felon are unreasonable requirements
SHALL

>>34629717
>>34628943
you fuking weeb fagit resd it 1st

NOT

>>34629717
>implying you don't forfeit most of your rights when you commit a crime

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>>34629758
>Implying rights can be forfeited
If rights can be taken away then they aren't rights you fucking Statist.
Also I wouldn't trust them with a car if I wouldn't trust them with a gun.

>>34629757
BE

>>34627574
they're not licensing the possession, they're licensing the carrying of them.

>>34629772
INFRINGED

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>>34629772
>have a right not to be thrown in prison
>kill somebody
>get thrown in prison

You have rights until you forfeit them by violating other people's rights.

Inalienable means that nobody can take them away from you.

This does not mean that you can't give them up of your own free will by willingly breaking the law.

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>>34628888
Yeah because a class is totally going to suction the retard out of people

>>34629790
Your prison sentence is your debt being paid. Once you're out of prison, you no longer owe that debt and deserve your citizenship reinstated.

That means all your rights are restored as well.

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>>34629790
"The right to not be thrown in prison shall not be infringed" is not written specifically in the Constitution, dirtbag.
In fact you never have that as a right since you can be thrown in prison for breaking the law. You can be thrown in even if you don't.
Your argument is shit and you lick boots.

>>34629809
Your debt isn't paid until the state says it is.

When a court convicts somebody of a felony, they're explicitly taking away certain rights as part of the debt, including the right to own guns and the right to vote.

That's the deal with the criminal justice system, it's a wood chipper that grinds up fuckwits.

Until such time as the state decides to restore said rights, you've lost them.

>>34629813
>The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated

Being thrown in prison is a seizure of your person, as explicitly proscribed by the Fourth Amendment.

The wording is almost exactly the same as the Second Amendment too.

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>>34629823
>Having large portions of your finite life taken away isn't enough of a payment
>We're also going to make you a second-class citizen so you have even less incentive to become a functioning member of society

Statist logic

>>34627574
>nationwide reciprocity
>people from Constitutional Carry states start visiting California and New York while carrying concealed
The amount of jimmies that would be rustled could power half of the US.

>>34629852
It's the court's job and the legislature's job to determine what is and isn't enough payment. Those powers are specifically given to them by the constitution.

Your feels are not constitutional law, nor are they a civil right.

Fuck off, hippie.

>>34628888
What if they make speeding on the highway a felony offence? Pissing outside can put you on the sexual offenders list, which occludes you from firearm ownership.

>>34629842
You regain your person after being released from prison and thus regain your rights, numbnuts.

>>34629884
Preclude, not occlude.

>>34629876
You can stop moving the goalposts at any time boot licker, this was never a debate on who holds the duty of sentencing criminals, it's blatantly clear who does. This is clearly a discussion on the practical and moral nature of holding their criminal history over their head after they have served their sentence.

>>34629893
Thanks senpai, I'm kinda drunk.

>>34629892
Not according to the legislature.

It's their job to decide when you get your rights back and how much punishment is enough.

Incidentally, this is why you can have your rights restored after a felony. Because you ceded that power to the state by proving that you were incapable of functioning independently in society.

>>34629901
Oh.

I'm pretty sure at least one of these fags thought that it was a violation of the Second Amendment, which it absolutely is not.

Tee bee aytch I think that second amendment disenfranchisement should be an option in felony cases, but not automatic. Too many people getting caught with an ounce of weed and getting fucked for life.

>>34629909
That's fucking stupid, you're an idiot who likes to lick boots and who hates America. Go back to Europe you fucking commie.
We're done here.

>>34629925
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but you have a poor understanding of constitutional law and think "unconstitutional" is the same thing as "hurts my feelings"

>>34628888
I agree with you.

>>34629852
usa is among the most cruellest nations in how it punishes its criminals

personally i think that a punishment i.e. a prison term should settle all the scores i.e. there shouldn't be any collateral damage for life

>>34629798
No but people ask retarded shit in CCW permit classes and it's better they get corrected and lectured there than in court.
>>34629884
Lead a movement to make speeding no longer a felony. Until that dumbass law is repealed don't speed if you want to keep your right to bear arms or vote.

Why is Alaska blue?

Alaska Statute 18.65.775 requires the Department of Public Safety to enter into reciprocity agreements with other states that have the legal authority to enter into such agreements so that Alaska Concealed Handgun permittees may carry concealed handguns in those other states.

>>34630138
Adding if you piss somewhere that people/cops see you and complain is pretty fucking stupid. If you dont know when to whip out your dick then you probably don't know when to while out a fucking gun.

>>34629798
I mean you're not wrong from a technical standpoint, but in general retards are less likely to go through the effort of taking a class. Some barriers to entry can be a good thing.

>>34630174
If a person is that much of an idiot, There's nothing stopping him or a criminal from carrying a gun

>>34630264
Sure, but you can't stop criminals or idiots from carrying guns unless you potentially make it impossible for some regular people to carry guns.

So that presents a problem for those interested in freedom.

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>>34629884
Felony speeding is excess of 35(30?) miles per hour of the speed limit. Anything under won't get you fucked for a felony charge. Most highway speed limits are 65-75mph. Some even go up to 80 down south. If you were felony speeding on the highway, you'd be going in excess of 90mph pretty much every single time. That's insanely dangerous to yourself and others while on a public roadway.

If you have a history of not being able to follow the basic fucking rules while controlling a machine that's far more dangerous and has way more potential to cause harm and destruction, why the fuck would you be responsible enough to own a firearm?

I don't like stupid laws either. Sometimes you gotta take a piss real bad and that shouldn't get you on a list. But I patently disagree with the idea of felony speeding with a 2 thousand pound machine of fucking death being an unfair stop in the process of owning firearms.

This fucking board sometimes, man. Am I the only one who stayed after all these years? Is it all just teenagers with a chip on their shoulder now?

>>34629682
file an application, pay the fee, wait 30 days.

>>34630293
I guess my comment may mislead some: Felony Speeding isn't an actual term, it's actually called reckless driving, which isn't going to be a charge unless you are driving typically in excess of 30+mph of the speed limit or doing something retarded like weaving in and out of traffic.

>>34630276
It is indeed a problem, because I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it

>>34630276
I kinda like the fact that if I ever had to defend myself against an armed attacker I would have a permit and Jamal won't. That alone goes miles in court to making sure you don't spend years behind bars for defending yourself.

>>34630293
They're not teenagers, they're something infinitely more irritating... they're college age people that think constantly being philosophical makes them sound smart.

>>34630293
21 mph over in my state, and you can be charged with reckless endangerment if we can find someone who wants to be a victim.

Prosecution will almost always drop it down to a misdemeanor unless you did something egregious. The best way to get out of anything is to admit what you did was wrong and show remorse, rather than try to obviously lie your way out of it to someone who values integrity. I probably won't even ticket you if you do. I'm not trying to make the city money (even though it costs them more money in court fees, court staff salaries, and my court overtime to ticket you) and I HATE getting subpoenaed, I just don't want your dumb ass endangering grandma who's just trying to get home safely. Don't do dumb shit = don't get in trouble with the law. I would agree if we can't trust you with a car we can't trust you with a gun.

>>34629277
No. The Supremacy Clause only applies to powers explicitly granted to the Federal government. The authority to regulate carry is not in the Constitution, so state law rules supreme.

>>34630534
So I don't need a tax stamp to get a suppressor or a fully automatic firearm anymore? Great news!

>>34630657
The Supreme Court has ruled that the commerce clause means "whatever they say it means, you filthy fucking peasant"

Frankly, I disagree with this interpretation, but that is the existing case law.

>>34630667
I disagree as well. My point was just that if the if the federal government decided to pass a national concealed firearms act there would be fuck all the states could do about it.

>>34627574
The "full faith and credit" clause should allow reciprocity.

>>34629936
Not that guy but restoring your constitutional rights after being incarcerated is damn near impossible, only after spending thousands of dollars in lawyer and court fees and months, if not years in courts.

He was right, you are wrong.

>>34630445
That's where you're wrong officer bob. Most tickets are paid through intermediary services anyway. The state you work for makes money from hapless people who get tickets for going over 10 miles over and thus your salary paid.

And the whole logic of 'if we can't trust you with a car you can't be trusted with a gun' is immoral and corrupt to begin with. Cars are a necessity to power the American business regime. They may say driving is a privilege, not a right, but when they provide shoddy and potentially dangerous public transportation to a whole tax bracket of citizens below the poverty line trying to make a living from the many fuck ups that government offices enacted, then it becomes a fucking right to drive. Like it is to have the fucking right to defend yourself.

>>34630293
There are a surprising number of /k/ommandos who have been here for a long time, but many just lurk now and occasionally post. Seems like the most vocal group are the 2014-present immigrants from other boards and especially other sites. A lot of them aren't even teenagers; they're adults who are the internet equivalent of Californians who move to other states and start shitting them up with their own cancerous brand of politics.

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>>34629717
Ellie is so sad

>>34628888
It's the literal same requirement as driving a car (minus the felon bit.) I've got issue with that.

In Arizona you don't need a lincese to conceal carry, just the one for the pistol

>>34627574
You are an idiot.

>>34630138
>just dont break the law!
>just lead a movement!
You authoritarians are all the fucking same. What the fuck is a movement going to do when retards like you are out there and in greater numbers?
What if for once in the potentially thousands of hours per year you spend driving you accidentally miss a speed limit sign?
What if you decide to go the speed of traffic instead?
What if a cop decides he doesn't like your haircut and misjudges your speed by accident?
Of course you would NEVER break the law, because only criminally insane madmen do that.

>>34627574
>people are stupid so we need to prevent stupid people from getting guns so it's safe for the rest of us
This is fine until it's time to decide who's stupid and who isn't. You can't just put an electrode-covered helmet on someone and then read their propensity to commit violence from a dial.
Either you have to develop a heuristic way of determining who doesn't DESERVE their constitutional rights, which will by definition result in both false positives and false negatives, or you have to accept the inherent problems in a system that values freedom and live with the consequences of everyone being treated equally by the law.

This isn't even considering the huge governmental burden required to try to enforce such laws (including but not limited to a financial one), and the problems that occur when you criminalize actions that are completely mundane and possible to commit through sheer negligence (see: ATF)

>>34633566
meant also for
>>34628888

>>34630293
In my state its 20. So if you drive down a country road at the posted limit of 55, and it suddenly drops down to 35 (most small towns do to raise revenue) even if you were going exactly 55, which no one does, you've instantly committed a felony, congrats.

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>>34627574

>oy vey goyim don't implement national CCW reciprocity, just let California and New York deny tens of millions of people their rights and keep your head down

>>34627574
Let's get nationwide ccw passed and then we can focus on nationwide constitutional carry. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good

>>34628888
>Having to take a $200 class and pay a $150 fee every 3 years is unreasonable.
That's a good amount of money being wasted for the sake of generating revenue which is what it's all about anyways.

>>34627574
>tfw it took 9 months to get my pistol permit in NY
>tfw still stuck with only 10 rounds
>tfw can't afford to move out of state

At least in the time it took to get my first pistol I had the money to grab a second one.

>>34633841
>can't afford to move out of state
What do you work?

>>34633841
Former NY cuck here, going back for a visit in a week, Adirondacks are beautiful but fuck that state in general

>>34633873
I work for a post office. I can transfer anywhere, yes, but I can't afford the moving costs. I can only really afford one annual gun purchase and just to pay for my car and rent and food.

>>34633886
Does that mean you have special training that only qualifies you for that job or something similar?
Do you have dependents or others you don't want to be separate from?

>>34633892
My live-in girlfriend is starting college here. As much as I would have loved to be a police officer, I'm kind of stuck with the postal service. The money isn't bad at all, but it's the high cost of living here that's really cucking me. I was also thrown out of my mother's house so I had to get a place and use my credit card to furnish the place. So I've got a little bit of debt from that.

>>34629842
Im agreeing with you overall, but

>against unreasonable searches and seizures

>unreasonable
There's a key word here

>>34633602
Then slow the fuck down you negroid

Nobody likes having to drive slow for stupid reasons but it's typically because that's the fastest you can go on that road before you start running into problems with compromising your safety and the safety of others on the road with you

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>>34633948
You're fucked and your life will never improve if you don't get outta there. I'd advise you to leg it to a place like NH; it's easily in range. Optimally, you'd find some kinda dude you can get to know well enough over the internet and room with him for a few months while you put every penny aside until you can move into your own place. Optimally also, your GF switches colleges; but I have no idea how that'd work and if these colleges cooperate enough to make it work. Or break up with her. But I assume you're not heartless enough for that.

New York is just not a place that you can live in when you're not already upper middle class. Workers like you and me need to find cheap places.

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>>34629921
>Tee bee aytch I think that first amendment disenfranchisement should be an option in felony cases, but not automatic.

>>34634012
Exactly. I have a "good" job but I'm still living paycheck to paycheck so I don't go delinquent on my bills. I do 50 hours a week 6 days a week at work. We are looking at apartments in Matamoras PA today. That's about 40 minutes away from my job if I took the highway straight there. I'd at least have my gun rights there.

>>34628888
I think in order to vote you should have to take a class in the middle of your workday that costs $200 and every three years you must pay $150 to retain voting privilege.

>>34634035
>about 40 minutes
Don't count on it, traffic will always fuck you. But good job trying to break out. When you got there, try to apply for a new place to work then, maybe? I dunno.

>>34634055
Or even just a transfer to another office in PA. That would make me happy too.

>>34634117
That's what I meant, sorry that I didn't express myself so clearly.
Why PA, anyway? Just because it's close?

>>34627574
You can ccw anywhere desu! It's only illegal if you get caught.

>>34634124
Yes. I can have all of my guns there and I'm not terribly far from my job until I get a closer transfer. Not to mention I like the look of having no front license plate on my car.

>>34627574

Lel, nobody really believes in rights anymore.

>>34634133
I keep recommending NH, but only because the Free State Project is there and I want to be mired in a community that is liable to go "fuck the rules" at any given moment and lets you fly under the radar. What do you think? THey also have baller gun laws.

>>34634146
I love NH. It is very beautiful there. I'll look into there too.

>>34627574
NC has some of the most lenient CCW laws in the country. On the verge of passing constitutional carry on the next legislative session

>>34634154
Some dude in another thread told me that the south of that state is the most populated. That's supposed to say, they have one big city of about 100k residents there. Which is the biggest. The further north you go, the more likely you'll be to end up living all alone in the middle of nowhere.

>>34630293
lol, stay very far from arizona, anon. people can't drive for shit here.

>>34633458
don't need a license for that anymore anon.

>>34627574
I've taken firearms classes and served in the military, but I sure as fuck will not be taking one to get my federal ccl. Pick up that can, citizen.

>>34634286
But it's only reciprocal for other states to honor your state's ccl, its not a federal ccl

>>34628888
>opening the door to further abuse is ok because further abuse will never happen. People in California, New York, Massachusetts and similar states currently have no difficulty getting concealed carry permits and gun laws stay totally reasonable once enacted, with no ineffective annoyances such as "evil feature" counts ever being put into law.

Kill yourself.

>>34628888
If you are a felon, you should be in jail. If you are out of jail, you should have the same rights as everyone else.

>>34634887
No fuck you, a majority of felons are repeat offenders

A jail sentence is not some "you'll be a better person in 15 years of this inner state penitentiary sentencing" Its a punishment, not some kind of fallicious period where you will magically be absolved of your crimes thereafter.

>>34634887
>>34634922
How about looking at the average time within which your average violent felon becomes a recidivist? I'm all for dangerous liberty, but the idea of Jamal buying another Hi Point the day he gets out makes me a bit squeamish.... of course he'll have his girlfield or little brother buy it, or get it on the black market, because criminals don't --

Fuckit. Never mind. The solution is a three--strikes-you're-dead law.

>>34631564
nuh uh, theyve ALWAYS Been here and we've ALWAYS welcomed refugees from other boards fuck off reddit

>>34634858
>people in... NY... have no difficulty getting concealed carry permits
Its actually extremely tough and a long arduous process with many little places you could make a little mistake and they throw out your application and won't even tell you that you were denied.

Fillout an application in blue ink and not black? denied
Fuck up the legal header on your letter to the judge? denied
Make copies of your application instead of filling out the form 3 times identically? denied

I've heard this one before
>If the X or Check mark you made inside a box for an option isn't explicitly inside the box, you'll get denied.

>>34634943
In NY it can take anywhere from 2 months to over a year just to get a pistol permit. Its ridiculously difficult not only in the process but just the waiting time because the county clerk has to go through all the applications himself. If you live in a county with more than 50k people at a time you'll never hear from the clerk for at least 6 months even then after you hear from them its another 4 months at least while the judge (the only judge) looks through all of these

>>34634943
Do people not know what the fuck greentexting means anymore or something?

The entire post you're responding to was sarcasm. By greentexting ("""quoting""") him I was pointing out how fucking stupid he is by rephrasing what he wrote to reflect reality. I'm from NY, I know how hard it is to get a carry permit there. I left the state for somewhere less fucked and I've never been happier.

>>34634963
Oh yea I know its sarcasm but I don't think it'll make getting a pistol any easier unfortunately

>>34634154
>>34634169

NHfag here, can attest. South and mostly coastal NH have the bulk of the states population, so in terms of being able to shoot your funs it's pretty meh. But go north a bit and it almost as if it justs drops of into woods and hills.

>>34634971
Neither will responding to sarcasm like it's serious.

Unless the SCOTUS drops some fucking legislative bombs, NY is a lost cause anyway. I'm a Federalist and I don't like the Feds telling the states what to do, but if we're going to be subjects of the courts they might as well act in our favor until we can claw back our rights. If they can force states to marry gay people, which is fucking nowhere in the Constitution, they sure as fuck can make them respect our 2A rights.

It's either that or upstate needs to break away from the city and form the state of Buffalo without all the cuck laws.

>>34630667
That interpretation will only hold up until the states uncuck themselves.

>>34628888
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

safety is secondary to freedom

>>34634943
I'm getting flashbacks to this shit. Ugh. You're leaving out the multiple trips downtown it takes to get everything handed in and processed too. Whole process cost me about 300 dollars too.

>>34635009
> so in terms of being able to shoot your funs it's pretty meh
Dude seriously, from my perspective even the south the place looks like it's totally empty. How about Rockingham county?

>>34635351

I take it you're from mass?

>>34635389
No, I'm from Stuttgart Germany, 600k inhabitants, considering buying land in a few years when I have money.

>>34635399

Northwood and Deerfield part of Rockingham county is woodsy if that's what you're looking for.

>>34629780
always loved this line of logic

>they're not infringing on your right to keep & bare arms, they're just infringing your right to bare arms.

Seems legit.

>inb4 wahhhhh if the 2nd amendment is considered absolute madmen will ccw nukes

You might wanna read a little more about how constitutional restrictions work. The real source of the problem is that current gun laws aren't looked at with what's called "strict scrutiny". Instead they're at the second class citizen level that i don't recall the name of(moderate scrutiny?).

The difference is this means that to restrict your second amendment rights a law merely has to be aimed at causing some benefit or preventing some harm to the public. They don't have to prove that the law is likely to actually do these things and that it is the most constitutionally respectful way to do so.

This is also why arguments that restricting the 2nd amendment has precedence in the way that the 1st has been restricted in regards to yelling fire in a packed theater are wrong. The restrictions simply aren't held to the same level of scrutiny in both cases.

The bottom line is you aren't a really american if you don't think strict scrutiny should be applied to all constitutional questions. Otherwise it's an invitation for activist legislators to try to abuse the fuck out of your rights.

>>34635421
I got more than enough woodsy over here, I don't particularily care for what the area looks like as long as it's
>cheap
>big (talking a few dozen hectares here)
>semi-off-grid (road connection and water and telephone/internet, but I can do septic and electricity myself)
>close enough to industry so I can work my engineering job
>close enough to schools so I can send any eventual children there without issues
most importantly
>people fuck off and let me do retard-tier shit like demo ranch in my backyard

>>34628888
You would think that having to take a class wouldn't be a problem, and it shouldn't, but look at Japan's recent changes to its firearm courses.

Which are now only available in Tokyo and require one to take a large period of time off work to attend.

>>34627574
licenses for concealed carry should be a nationwide thing like driver's licenses.

>>34634922
Wow, it's almost like our prison system is horrible and should focus on rehabilitation like developed nations with low recidivism rates

>>34629758
>accidentally taking your carry piece into NJ is a felony

>>34635511
They shouldn't exist period, because your right to keep and bare arms is inherent, and the Constitution is where it's written down.

As soon as you create a system where you have to ask permission, fuckheads that want to prevent you from exercising your rights will make themselves the one who can say no.

The issue I have w/ not allowing felons to carry handguns stems from the very fact that they have already served their sentence, and our countries weird obsession with punishment instead of rehabilitation.

>commit a crime
>go to prison
>serve your sentence
>your debt to society is now paid
>still cant own guns

>>34636177
>Treat felons as second-class citizens
>Wonder why they are likely to become felons again

REALLY MAKES YOU THINK

>>34629990
I think there's just a dissonance in the US between what "should" be regarding crime and justice and what the reality actually is. You're not going to eliminate cannabis, tobacco, or alcohol from the national culture, and the US doesn't have enough geographic security to control other illicit drugs.

More importantly, imprisonment in the US is a total failure. Instead of treading a balance between punishment, social separation, and rehabilitation, criminal justice in the US only serves to permanently disable criminals from normal life. Sex offender and felon statutes make it difficult to impossible for people to re-integrate into society, even if their crimes are relatively benign. There are thousands of "sex offenders" in the US who got caught for pissing in public, or who had sex with their 17 y/o girlfriends when they were 18. Likewise most drug crimes carry ridiculous minimums, even though imprisonment is more harmful to a person's future than the drug use itself.

The worst part is that there's no political willpower to reform the system, because women vote, and since they aren't affected by it, they and upper-middle class males all vote for "tough on crime" DAs and sheriffs. If a prison is rife with abuse or helps criminals teach each other how to commit worse crimes, people shrug it off as "the point of prison". All in all you have a system where 1% of the population is incarcerated at any time, which is horrendously socially and economically destructive. But people don't want to improve it or imprison fewer people because the "criminals deserved it."

Americans are retarded.

>>34630174
No, they'll take the class and play on their phone the whole time and then continue doing whatever stupid shit they were doing with guns before they took the class.

Meanwhile people who aren't retards now have to jump through more hoops and waste more money and go through more hassle to be able to exercise their right which is supposed to never be infringed upon.

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>>34636503
>its because they can't own guns they revert to doing illegal shit with illegal guns again

>>34635111
Oh yea

>get 4 references from people who haven't been arrested for anything ever (easy IMO)
>mail these (must be mailed for some fucking reason) to the county clerk
>see you in 2+ fucking months whenever the clerk decides to get around to your application
>got that memo in the mail? congrats
>write a letter to the judge in full legal format you've probably never had to use anywhere in your life
>if thats not properly done in black ink or typeface they'll reject you regardless if the information is correct.
>oh yea if you don't put down "good reasons" they'll deny you and if you don't say the magic words "I promise to keep this locked up and safe" they'll deny you (but you'd only know this if someone told you)
>get 3 applications all with the same shit all with signatures from your references for some fucking reasons
>I heard of a person who got denied because the references signed out of order between the applications.
>they're all the same but can't be copies FOR SOME FUCKING REASON
>oh yea they have to be notorized FOR SOME FUCKJNG REASON
>bill of sale (notorized FOR SOME FUCKIN REASON)
>115 dollar money order, NOT cash, NOT credit, NOT check, NOT bank check FOR SOME FUCKIN REASON
>have to set up an appointment to go in, get finger printed, oh but only on the clerks time because fuck having accountability right?
>6+ months go by and the judge will send you a letter saying you're approved then another 2 weeks so the clerk can give you a letter telling you to come in
>pay 10 dollars for the license (which you can pay in cash FOR SOME FUCKIN REASON)

>>34630329
>Felony Speeding isn't an actual term, it's actually called reckless driving,

It's not a felony. Only really bad reckless is criminal (a misdemeanor) in Virginia

>>34628888
a permit is the government selling my rights to me son S H A L L

>>34635619
nice goal post shift

>>34634047
No body is forcing you to get a license the same way no one is forcing you to vote. These are CHOICES

>>34638070
> Getting a license to exercise my right is the same as just exercising a right
What? The license is preventing me from the exercising my right to bare arms, which would be similar to requiring US citizens to acquire a license to exercise their right to vote. Neither right should require a license.

>>34634047
Not same person, but I like your thinking.

I maintain that violent felons should lose their gun rights though. Especially repeat offenders

>>34627574
Map is wrong. Oregon has no reciprocity whatsoever.

>>34628888
This is me speaking. If you think that every single person should have a handgun on them at all times you're fucking retarded. Someone was shot outside of my business a week ago over a god damn argument. I think people should have to be educated on the proper circumstances in which the use of a firearm is appropriate. Why does that make me a fucking statist or something?

>>34634047
I know you were probably responding to me sarcastically but I would actually be okay with this. If you have no understanding of government or politics I don't think you should be able to choose our leaders.

>>34638844
> I want to make an inalienable right harder to exercise
Fuck off, its people like you that disgrace this country. Next your gonna tell me that you should get a certification to speak your mind on social and political issues in public.

>can't even get an OWNERSHIP permit for handguns in NY because I was suicidal as a teen

If I really wanted to kill myself I'd just use one of my many rifles

>>34638941
The right to vote is not in the bill of rights. The right to bear arms is not the right for every idiot to have a handgun on their person at all times it is the right for the populace to possess weapons and be able to congregate and use them in the event that the government becomes actually tyrannical.

>>34639012
>the Bill of Rights is the only thing in the Constitution

How dumb do you have to be

>>34636660
>because women vote

Try because there's an entire private prison industry out there that pulls the same "lobbyists ghost-write laws and then get appointed to regulatory positions over their own industry" bullshit that's been so lovely to our gov't these past few decades. Also, the stuff you said about people thinking "criminals deserve it".

>>34639025
>how dumb do you have to be
The only amendment to the consitution in regards to voters rights is the one that says you can't be denied the right to vote because of your skin color or religion. So perhaps it is YOU who must learn to read?

>>34639048

Do you know what the word amendment means?

>>34639068
Quote the passage in the consitution where it says that everyone has the right to vote and I will concede myself eternally BTFO. Because when the constitution and bill of rights was written only white males were allowed to vote. The 14th amendment gave all races the right to vote and the 19th amendment gave women the right to vote.

>>34639068
Also let that sink in. Half of the population of the USA couldn't vote until 1920.

>>34639091
Okay, so let's do some math, nigger.

>system starts off with only property owning white men being allowed to vote
>landless people get the right to vote
>blacks get the right to vote
>women get the right to vote
>age of majority lowered to 18

So all mentally competent non-felons above the age of 18 can vote, per the 14th, 19th, and a bunch of other amendments I'm too lazy to list.

>>34639133
So what exactly are you arguing? You were claiming having to take a class was too restrictive for CCW because it was an inalienable right like voting. I just proved that voting was never an inalienable right in the constituion and in fact many restrictions were placed upon it for centuries. How have you proven me wrong?

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>>34639188
please, you must be so new thinking that its only one person arguing against you.

>>34639282
Not new but drunk.