Weapons ahead of their time. describe weapon features without

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1848
First bolt action rifle.
It was even invented before the metallic cartridge.

>>34626936
Dryse is a NEAT gun.

Where there conversions for the Dryse into metal cartridges? Maybe shortened needle into pin?

Also the paper cartridges had the primer at the base of the bullet right? I didn't know they where separate pieces of projectile and charge.

Despite dating from around the end of WWII, it is still in heavy usage throughout the world with upwards of 75 million having been manufactured. It it noted for its extreme reliability and low maintenance requirements.
The recently deceased designer when asked if he felt any remorse for so many people having been killed by the gun he designed replied that he created the weapon to "defend the borders of my country" and that it wasn't his fault what governments did with it.

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>>34629816
Idk if it was ahead of it's time, because it was the continuation of the Assault rifle concept with a soviet twist of massed fire. It was never the less a very important gun in history.

>>34626113
The grandfather of all modern day assault rifles, proving the effectiveness of intermediate cartridges. Inspired most modern day rifles, and represents one of the biggest leaps in firearms development of it's time.

Developed in WWII, and still turns up from time to time today. Gives me a raging erection when ever I see one.

1869. Swiss.

Bolt action with 11 round tubular magazine. First bolt-action, repeating rifle with a self cocking action. Two rear locking lugs.

>>34629912
STG-44
Could've been more vague, desu.

>>34629912
But was it really a Machine Pistol?

>>34630039
Could've been. I'll try a more difficult one.

An experimental bullpup rifle designed shortly after world war 2, that later influenced other rifles, but was unfortunately dropped due to desire for NATO standardization.

>>34630082
EM-2
C'mon anon, it's like you're not even trying.

>(dropped due to desire for NATO standarization) gave it away

>>34628332
>Where there conversions for the Dryse into metal cartridges?
No. It was totally outdated by the 1870. Unlike the French Chasspot, which was of a superior design, it wasn't converted to use any metallic cartridges.

>>34630106
Thought that might be the bit that gave it away. Having trouble thinking of obscure ones that aren't too obscure, and still were "ahead of their time".

Designed to counter ever thickening tank armour, this weapon resulted in a number of operator casualties due to it's unfamiliar operation.

Probably still too obvious.

>light machine gun
>developed from a pre-WWI aircraft machine gun
>modern fire and maneuver tactics was developed from it's usage in WWI
>generally loved by the troops who used it, even though the higher ups thought the enemy's "light" machine gun was wholly better

>>34630229
Vickers?

>>34630250
Nope.
>fire and maneuver tactics

>>34630229
Lewis gun

>>34630288
Hmm. You've got me stumped lad.

>>34630314
I'm thinking he could well be right, but wasn't the Lewis not designed as an aircraft gun?

Gun that inadvertently became an assault rifle during world war one. It was originally a hunting rifle for use by the American civilian market, but was somewhat criticized for its "intermediate" power cartridge, which was very similar ballistically to 7.62x39. It saw service by multiple European nations, but was drastically modified, adding a bayonet lug, a 20 round magazine, and fully automatic fire. The gun later became a mainstay in law enforcement to use in critical circumstances.

>>34630314
No. The aircraft version was developed from the infantry version.

>>34630229

Madsen?

>>34630345
No. Very few of them were used in WWI.

>>34630335
Hotchkiss M1909 then?

>>34630397
Lolwut. I'm not talking about a machine gun that was thrown away in the beginning of the war by everyone.

>>34630332
Remington model 8

>>34630474
No, but visually very similar, and people confuse the model 8 with it and vise versa.

>>34630487
.351 WSL is nowhere close to 7.62x39. I have a 1907 and have shot numerous AKs.

>>34630457
What, a Maxim?

>>34630487
81 then?

>>34630457
mg15na then

>>34630502
Nope.

Anti-shipping missile with a guidance system that hasn't been used since.

>>34630509
Nope. Wasn't developed as an aircraft MG first.

>>34630501
Yeah, 1907. I should've said ENERGY, not ballistics. Its really only comparable to 30-30

>>34630532
I mean, it's basically rimless .357 Mag. Still a cool gun. Mine is ex-police and came with 2 10 round mags and a bunch of ammo.

>>34630229

Vickers–Berthier?

>>34630556
I've fingerfucked a few in the past. The only thing I don't like about it is where the charging plunger is. Other than that, it seems neat. How hard is it to find the ammo? If it isn't too expensive, I might pick one up.

>>34630574
Nope.
>WWI

>>34630229
...Madsen?

>>34630589

Did it chamber an actual rifle cartridge or a pistol?

>>34630597
No. Someone already guessed that.
>>34630599
Rifle cartridge.

>>34630522
That leaves basically the Chauchat and the MG-08/15. Neither of which fit your definition

>>34630575
It can be found online, but that's about it. Only reason I've shot mine is because it came with a couple of boxes when I bought it.

>>34630229

Something from the Hotchkiss family?

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>>34630607
Ahem?
>>34630622
Nope.

>>34630639

Makes sense, given that there's no mud in the air. Also BS on the loved by the troops, that was only in noncombat conditions. Or at least not using the shitty open mags.

>>34630653
The french liked theirs just fine. Not perfect, but serviceable.

>>34630639
Lel, I think the Lewis was more important for the development of fire and movement.

>>34630229
I would say Farquhar hill, but thats not really an LMG, right?

Here's one

>Outdated, pre WWI
>Fires so many commercial ammunition
>Nations at war were like fuck, I need guns now
>Not a pistol.

Shouldn't be too hard

>>34630665
The military thinking around fire and manoeuvre, which took place within the academies of all nations, was emboldened by light automatic rifles of all types from all nations. Except Russia, who were busy having a revolution.

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>>34630653
Mud wasn't a big deal for the Chauchat as people would suggest today. The magazines were kept inside of pouches and satchels. (pic related)

The book Honour Bound goes into detail about the Chauchat. The French army actually did a poll on their regiments about it and the polls are listed in the book. Most tended to like it, but the French army tended to think the German MG08-15 was better even though it was over 50 pounds.

>>34630665
The French were on the ball before the British in that department.

>>34630684
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pls6OyJpCWg

>>34630697
>>34630700

And the BEF implemented the concept most effectively on the battlefield in 1917/1918.

>>34630684
Gras, fucking everyone used the Gras during WW1 even though it was a pile of shit at the time.

>long recoil operated
>god damned beautiful
>kicks like a mule
>not the first of its kind, but the first to be very successful
>invented by a genius
>design was manufactured for nearly 100 years
>first gun i ever got and first i ever shot

>>34630790
Browning Auto 5?

>>34630790
Auto 5

>>34630790
Browning Auto-5

Moulded from high tech European polymers, this deadly handgun could slip unnoticed through airport metal detectors, making it popular with spies, assassins, and bodyguards.

>>34631449
That one Glock, from that one movie. You know the one I'm talking about.

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Revolver from the late 1500's

>>34630790
might be remington model 8?

>>34630521
Bat with pigeon

>>34630808
>>34630815
>>34630818
Yay. You guys win a cookie.

>weapon too obsolete (for ww2 standard) to be of any use
>but still not obsolete enough to be let lying around and risk falling in the hand of militia
>ended up being melted down

>>34631594
>samuel colt invented the revolver
>samuel colt stole it from the english

And columbus discovered america.

>>34632471
Pedersen device?

>>34631449
Glock 7, and it's not made from polymers it's made from porcelain and costs more than your average police officer makes in a month.

>>34630521
Acoustic Seeking Torpedo?

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>>34626113
>straight-pull action
>chambered in an intermediate cartridge

>>34632892

Either one of the Ross rifles not chambered in .303 in a special snowflake or one Austria-Hungary sold to another country in 6.5mm

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>>34632910
Neither of the above.