First woman enlists to become a Navy SEAL

melania?

Who gives a shit. A bunch of guys I was in school with enlisted to become seals, they all washed out too. As long as the standards are upheld, they can enlist all they like.

>Navy SEAL
>Posts pic of muhreens

Anyway, enlisting is different from completing selection. She won't make it through, I'm assuming, and that's it.

>>34625820
she'll never make it, she will quit or her body will break.

>>34625850
>>34625860


WRONG, FAGGOTS.

this represented not just a political opportunity but also a propaganda opportunity for the US military. that woman is going to make it and she will be labelled a hero.

they will pass her regardless of whether she is qualified or not because it allows the US military to state that special operations does not discriminate by gender and it will promote more women to enlist in the military.

sorry bruhs get used to having women in the military.

>enlists to become a Navy SEAL

So did every Master at Arms schmoe

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>>34625902
>get used to having women in the military.

We're already used to them, their attitudes and their job performance.

>>34625842
>As long as the standards are upheld, they can enlist all they like
get a load of this dipshit. if the standards were being upheld she wouldn't there.

>>34625820
you think she'll even be able to do 100 dips?

>>34625860
Or she'll be forced out by the other recruits. Who the fuck wants to carry heavy ass telephone poles and shit when someone isn't physically capable of carrying their own share.

Or the Navy will be cucks like the army and let her and the rest of the dudes with her pass through with laxed standards and some Rear Admiral keeping tabs on the whole thing, then they'll be relegated to some bullshit detail where they never actually see action while the female is sometimes brought out to be paraded around like a show pony for retarded congressmen.

>>34625820
you go gurl!

YAS.
QUEEN.
SLAY.

>>34625820
First Navy Seal to be raped probably

>>34625820
JUST

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>>34625820
#Imwithher

>>34625902
and then she will drown on her fist mission

>>34625839
You can't just mock that black woman for her skin pigment, it's racist

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>>34625820
Odds of her making it through seal training? I know the powers that be are probably pulling for her but seal training is pretty tough according to tom clancy :^)

>>34625842
Standards are never the same when women are involved.

>>34625820
wait a minute.....wasnt Demi Moore the first female seal???

>>34626225
When my classmates were talking about women in combat arms, someone actually brought up G.I. Jane. People actually think that movie was based on a true story.

>>34626207
It will be for spec ops.

>>34626243
oh shit that made my day. thanks lol

>>34625820
What a fucking joke this country has turned into. Goddam.

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>>34626200
I, for one, encourage this new trend of Claire posting.

>>34625918
dem cankles and tube socks

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>>34625820
>that mismatched camo

>>34625918
Fort stewart, the px next the back gate?

>>34626263
The first and only woman to graduate SFQC did so because the instructors ignored standards and leadership pushed her along. Nothing is ever the same when women are included.

https://sofrep.com/44051/katy-wilder-woman-wear-green-beret/

>>34626263
Airborne used to be considered elite. They had an attrition rate around 50%. Then women wanted to be airborne. Now almost everyone graduates jump school.

>>34625820
I thought women couldn't enlist in any SOF in the US? I've heard of a female SOF in Norway but that's pretty much it.

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we've already had a woman on the seal teams

This is why this sort of thing should be restricted to those currently serving.

A day of physical testing is sufficient to see if the applicant has what it takes. It would save a lot of headaches.

>>34625820

Odds are she won't make it. But I'm rooting for her, all the same.

>>34626383
:)

IDGAF who joins as long as they're qualified.

did we ever get a female armed forces get raped by isis on camera? or just a female soldier getting raped by isis in general

>>34625820
That mixed equipment bothers me more.

>>34625902
and thats how Russia wins WW3

>>34626886
It's a goretex jacket for when it rains /damp conditions. They only issue them in woodland. So if it's the 6 months a year Marines wear desert you get mix match.

>>34626914
mismatch

>>34626881
>camera focuses on pale female soldier butt getting DPed by 2 dark isis cocks
>with brazzer tier camera works
>shes given up a long time ago and chose to enjoy it, you can hear her moans of pleasure
God get working now isis i need this

>>34625820
This is the US military looking to fuck all the servicemen over even more by allowing women into the workforce.

There will be more people joining so they will have to pay them less.

>>34626383
>new
this guys been doing it for months
(not that I mind)

>>34625902
>>34626176
This is correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_Hultgreen#Death

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>>34626263
Standards weren't the same when it came to fighter jets, and they operate multi-million dollar equipment. Why do you trust that standards will be upheld for spec ops?

Webm related. It's the Navy's first female fighter pilot dying. The Navy failed to train her properly because they wanted the progressive propaganda of having a woman fly a plane.

>>34627248
Just by the guys voice you can tell she's doing something stupid

Why do Americans complain about this? It's what people have wanted for decades, this is the EQUALITY that everyone claims they support!

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>>34625820

It figures...

>>34625820
How many retries will she get until they just waive her through.

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they're already in the navy seals

>>34625820
holy shit

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Americans are fucking hilarious Jesus Christ

Pathetic

>>34627330
Yup, he sounds like a frustrate father trying to coach an incompetent little child

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>/k/ is scared of women
color me surprised

>>34627367
Western militaries are doomed when the next big one comes....

>>34627456
Thats kinda the point of all this
Only through our deaths can we atone for our evil history of colonialism & genocide.

>>34627281
>Finding herself overshooting the landing area centerline, Hultgreen attempted to correct her approach by applying left rudder pedal, which caused the nose to disrupt the airflow over the left (inside) wing, as well as the airflow to the left engine intake. (The approach turn stall, aerodynamic effect and the appropriate recovery technique were taught throughout the period that Hultgreen completed primary (undergraduate) flight training.) The left-hand engine suffered a compressor stall and lost power—a well-known deficiency characteristic of the F-14A's TF30-P-414A engine when inlet air was no longer flowing straight into it. The F-14 NATOPS flight manual warned against excess yaw for this reason. Loss of an F-14 engine results in asymmetric thrust, which can exceed rudder authority, especially at low speeds.
They trained her to avoid this, but the training didn't take.
>After aborting the approach, Hultgreen selected full afterburner on the remaining engine, causing an even greater asymmetry. This, combined with a high angle of attack, caused an unrecoverable approach turn stall and rapid wing drop to the left. The radar intercept officer (RIO) in the rear seat, Lieutenant Matthew Klemish, initiated ejection for himself and Hultgreen as soon as it was apparent that the aircraft was becoming uncontrollable. First in the automated ejection sequence, the RIO survived. However, by the time Hultgreen's seat fired 0.4 seconds later, the plane had exceeded 90 degrees of roll, and she was ejected downward into the water. She was killed instantly. The entire event unfolded in less than 20 seconds.
Inevitable consequences of political correctness run amok.

>>34627453
Scared of women?

No.

Scared of what politically correct "diversity" measures does to the readiness and fighting ability of our military forces?

Yes.

75 percent failure rate.

3 women passed ranger school after recycling and a pool of nearly 100. Which were picked from hundreds more.

>>34627467
>Thats kinda the point of all this
>Only through our deaths can we atone for our evil history of colonialism & genocide.
True, intersectionalism is a scourge that needs to be wiped from the earth.

>>34627470
>>34627478
This isn't political correctness run amok, this is just the natural result of liberalism.

This is no different from the integration of blacks, you just complain because its not something you grew up with. The next generation will accept the inclusion & underperformance of women as normal. Just as we do with the blacks.

>>34626263
>>34625842
>Cuckservative patriotard actually believe this
>durr I may not like it but as long as standurds are maintained I say let them hurrrrrrr

>>34627541
>>This isn't political correctness run amok, this is just the natural result of liberalism.
>implying the natural consequence of liberalism isn't political correctness run amok
Whatever you say famalam.

>>34625946
This. Probably the latter.

>handful of propaganda girls get to be seals
>entire US military is now ruined

>>34627541
>This is no different from the integration of blacks, you just complain because its not something you grew up with. The next generation will accept the inclusion & underperformance of women as normal. Just as we do with the blacks.
Individuals ought to be treated just as that: Individuals. I don't per se have objections to anyone of any gender, race, religion, etc. serving in the military or doing anything else, providing they are capable of doing the job and standards are the same for all applicants.

I fully recognize that there are both racial and gender differences in all areas, ranging from intelligence to physical strength, but barring someone from a position solely because of their gender or race is a severe injustice.

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>>34627501
They had a lot of help.

>>34627569
You say stuff like "run amok" as if this is something crazy, or that it'll end at some point. This is just absolutely normal.

Noone involved in pushing women into the military will ever feel any remorse when people end up dead due to it.

Just as no liberal feels remorse over the daily rapes/robberies/murders of whites that they are responsible for.

This is just one more step along the progressive agenda, it'll happen regardless of peoples complaints, and then there will be some new thing for them to push through.

>>34625842

What a cuck. As others have roasted your idiotic thought pattern... if she's there in the first place the standards have dropped

>>34627655
>handful of propaganda girls get to be seals
>entire US military is now ruined
Principle is the main objection, but it goes further than this. For each of these shiny ponies, we're depriving ourselves of a true operator, and these girls are kicking someone else deserving out to get their position. This is a microcosm of Western civilization committing suicide.

>>34627665
It IS crazy, and no part of "run amok" implies that it will end.

Now they have to make her a SEAL or else the Navy is sexist.

>>34627687
>For each of these shiny ponies, we're depriving ourselves of a true operator, and these girls are kicking someone else deserving out to get their position. This is a microcosm of Western civilization committing suicide.

senpai stop pussyfooting around and just admit you want the military to only be white males

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>>34627657
There's a lot of baggage and very little benefit when it comes to female soldiers. I don't agree on women being in combat arms solely because of the trouble and extra cost they bring along. I'm sure a handful of women can be good soldiers, but it's not worth the cost.

>>34627705
Explain how he's wrong faggot.

>>34627657
>Individuals ought to be treated just as that: Individuals.
>but barring someone from a position solely because of their gender or race is a severe injustice.

And the cuckservative comes along saying stupid shit like this.

Women can apply apply for any combat role as long as they can fire a rifle and are willing to die in my opinion.

>>34627715

a handful of mascot gurl seals is not depriving the military of TRUE OPERATORS, seals die so fucking often that we get new ones in all the time, its not like these people are tenured and take up space for decades. You guys have just spent too much time on 4chan talking about how the west is dead and that we need to rise up and kill all the liberals and brown people that you see pretty much ANY political appeasement move as the death of the white race.

fact: Standards have a disparate impact on the inclusion of women into combat arms.

They must be abolished for being unconstitutionally discriminatory.
Same reason the federal government abolished the IQ test as a prerequisite for hiring/promotions.

I really don't care either way, its not like they'll have any impact on the abilities of SEAL teams. They're not taking someone else's spot, there's not a finite spots for SEALs that ultimately can't be circumvented if there is. /pol/ posters will shitpost here regardless if they fail and wash out with /pol/babies shitposting about women not being able to do anything, or they succeed and /pol/shitters post something about cuckmurrica and SEALs.

It all stays the same, I just want /pol/ in it's containment board.

>>34625918
Damn is that a gunny?

>>34627708
>There's a lot of baggage and very little benefit when it comes to female soldiers. I don't agree on women being in combat arms solely because of the trouble and extra cost they bring along. I'm sure a handful of women can be good soldiers, but it's not worth the cost.
You raise some good points, and in all honesty, I share those concerns. The impracticality of integrating combat units is a good argument against it, especially to accommodate a tiny handful of soldiers.

>>34626914
Bro they just changed it to Woodlands year round, must be an older pic

>>34627776
For every woman admitted into the program, there is one less man. That reduces training efficiency. Nothing you've said refutes this simple point.

>>34627803
>its not like they'll have any impact on the abilities of SEAL teams

Just like Affirmative Action didn't destroy whole American industries ?
As if there isn't significant problems RIGHT NOW from the inclusion of women elsewhere in the military?

Because a woman getting paid the same money as a man while being fundamentally incapable of doing the job doesn't obliterate morale huh?

>>34627776
>a handful of mascot gurl seals is not depriving the military of TRUE OPERATORS, seals die so fucking often that we get new ones in all the time, its not like these people are tenured and take up space for decades. You guys have just spent too much time on 4chan talking about how the west is dead and that we need to rise up and kill all the liberals and brown people that you see pretty much ANY political appeasement move as the death of the white race.
Ok, I'm the one that posted the shiny ponies comment, and I'm part Native American, so don't think I'm some sort or stormfront faggot. The real question is why should we have political appeasement? People have limits, why is it wrong to recognize this?

>>34627844
>The real question is why should we have political appeasement?

It's not political appeasement, its the very foundation of what the USA.
All men are born equal!
If we are equal, then inequal outcome must always be caused by discrimination. This is literally federal law.

>>34626392
They are only issued woodland field jackets.
Combine that with deserts being the uniform of the day...
>reeeeeeee

>>34627428
when will they fix my wifes face?

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>>34626098
>First Navy Seal to be raped probably

>>34626176
This. Seals on her team will let her die of her own incompetence and rule it as an unavoidable casualty during debriefing.

>>34627248
fucking kek

>>34627943
>her team will let her die of her own incompetence

my favorite part of all of this is that people automatically assume she is incompetent simply because she isn't as strong as a man.

>>34627912
*hope

>>34628037
>hurr blurr but we're all equal you fucking sexists!

>>34625918
Goddamn why do military women always look like trolls, and the men look amazing. I'm not gay at all and I'm instantly repulsed by those ugly fat bitches.

>>34628037
she's not gonna be as smart either

>>34627360
The issue is that if they lower the standards for our elite fighters they'll have a better chance to fuck up. Why do you think out of millions of people only 1% even make it to any special forces branch?

>>34625820
They "pass" her and she will die in the first combat assignment she undergoes.

>>34627863
Not sure if satire

>>34627863
>men

>>34627844
its "wrong" because the people in power have never been to or seen a fucking war zone in their life. I totally agree with you man, people have limits, and every individual has their limits as well. But if you think about who is in charge of this country( pencil pushing, suit wearing faggots who have no practical education) it will then make sense.

>>34628085
How is this any different from lowered standards throughout the rest of society?

>>34628069
You finding them attractive as a straight male is more worrying than you finding fit men attractive as a straight male.

>>34628195
The rest of society isn't going after high value targets.

>>34628210
Lets be honest though, women in the Seals would only improve them

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>>34628069
Female officers look much better as they cannot hide like enlisted females can. The enlisted females literally have no reason to comply with regs ever because thirsty as fuck NCOs will fib on paperwork. I have seen enlisted women who were LITERALLY as wide as they were tall manage to stay on for 8 years or longer and were purposefully hidden away by senior enlisted who need a side piece to get away from their 400lb wife. When your wife is 400lbs, that 200lb female looks like a goddamned supermodel to the average male enlisted lifer.

Regs have never applied to women because male leadership is made up of pussies afraid of being seen as offensive and standard-less betas desperate for female affection.

>>34628037
You have clearly never served with women.

>>34628249
have you?

>>34628241
is that the Camp Zama Gym?

>>34628241
well, any male that ever bothers holding females to the standards. usually gets their ass handed to them by IG or higher command.

>>34625920
>muh woman are equal
>muh we're just as strong as men
>muh Im a strong independent woman
>uhhh lower standards because its hard Dx

>>34628309
Has he?

>>34628309

no but he reads women hate threads so he knows what hes talking about

>>34628335
Have we?

Lol they haven't even made it to buds yet.

>>34628178
>But if you think about who is in charge of this country( pencil pushing, suit wearing faggots who have no practical education) it will then make sense.
Oh, I know that they're wrong, and even why. Politicians and academics have embraced intersectionalism, so the ones in charge "know" that we are all the same, and differences in outcome are due to discrimination. Therefore, the results have to be evened out through affirmative action.

>>34628178
>pencil pushing, suit wearing faggots who have no practical education
t.worksinconstruction

>>34626878
even if a grill is qualified their presence alone will cause exhorbitant damage to unit cohesion and combat readiness/effectiveness

>>34628566
>their presence alone will cause exhorbitant damage to unit cohesion and combat readiness/effectiveness

this isn't womens fault, this is the fault of men being retards around women. also Seals can fuck anyone and anything they want, do you really believe they're going to give a shit about some homely chick in their squad?

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>>34627728
>people should be treated on their individual merits
>lol cuck!
Are you aware of how much of a retard you sound like?

>>34628037
You know that being in any military or special forces isn't just about strength right?

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>>34625820

First Mattis didn't ban trannies, now he's allowing this farce.

Trump needs to lay down the law. Outlaw affirmative action. Abolish race and gender quotas. Raise the female physical standards to equal men’s. That would get rid of 99% of females in the military. Good riddance. Get rid of all political correctness "training". Abolish all sensitivity training. Ban females from combat roles. Ban trannies, period.

>>34628195
So you rather have someone fuck up because they couldn't keep up thus killing their whole squad? Are you really comparing dangerous life to regular day to day things, you're basically comparing a human life to someone who couldn't push carts in the parking lot because "its a mans job" to actual dangerous combat....

>>34627281
>failed to train her properly
lmao yeah the issue was the training

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>Her call signs were initially "Hulk" or "She-Hulk", for her ability to bench-press 200-pound (91 kg), her 6-foot (1.8 m) frame, and a play on her surname of Hultgreen

Apparently a 6 foot tall woman is as strong as a male teenager.

>>34628674

yeah senpai that's called biology.

>>34627803
t. Weaklet who never played sports or knows women.


Thank you for tipping your fedora

>>34627281
who cares of her life but she took a precious plane with her

also tfw when usa is so backwards that their first female fighter pilots fly f-14 meantime even russia had those in 40ss, including the most succesful female ace

>>34628674
>hulk
>bp 200lbs
lmao

>>34627281
>its the navys fault!
>Navy: Don't do X because Y will happen, but if you do X on accident, do Z and youll be fine.
>Girl does X, fails to do Z, crashes, dies

ITS ALL THE NAVY'S FAULT, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HER NOT PAYING ATTENTION OR THINKING THAT LITERAL INANIMATE OBJECTS WILL PANDER TO THE FACT THAT SHES A WOMAN

Fuck off kid, she got the same training hundreds of male pilots before her got, and she made a mistake. If this was a man, it'd be "he didn't pay attention and failed to execute proper procedures" not "the navy failed to train him properly"

>>34625820
>in b4 sec navy is there to "observe" like the rangers

>>34628241
Kek

>>34628693
>the most succesful female ace
>believing propaganda

>>34628711
It's the Navy's fault for letting a woman into an airplane. Of course the woman was going to fuck up. Of course women are going to want to be pilots. That doesn't mean the Navy should let them.

>>34628711

>when a man crashes a plane its a tragic accident, when a woman crashes a plane its because shes incompetent

>>34628588
>its the men's fault because [psychology ingrained by eons of evolution]
>lmao lets throw women into the male-dominated field of combat arms anyway and hope something changes
why? is there some inherent problem with having efficacious combat units? is having men fighting wars an issue now?

>do you really believe [a woman is going to fuck up unit dynamics]
yes, and youre an absolute nescient retard if you disagree. theres a nice anecdote about having a woman in a submariner crew that some anon might have saved

>>34628693
>Believing Russian progaganda

Yeah man, did you also hear about that female sniper? She killed over 9000 Nazis in a single day.

>>34628740
lmao read the reason why she crashed idiot.

>>34628740
Except I literally said the exact opposite, kike. Read the whole post again.

>>34628724
If the Navy puts the woman through the EXACT SAME TRAINING PROCEDURES AS MEN GOT (as is in this case) there's no reason not to let her fly the goddamn plane. The point I'm trying to make in my previous reply is that whoever posted it says that it's the Navy's fault for "not training her properly" when it isn't that at all. It's her fault for failing to execute proper procedure that SHE LEARNED IN HER GODDAMN TRAINING!

>>34628693
lel we should have women pilots flying junkers and trying to kamikaze ships if we really need female pilots
crashing is about all theyre good for anyway

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>>34628740
>when a man crashes a plane its a tragic accident
unless its part of his master plan

>>34628747
>its the men's fault because [psychology ingrained by eons of evolution]

yeah wanting to rape every girl we see is also ingrained that doesn't mean we act on it. expecting men to be rational around women is not unreasonable.

>>34628686
So is the inability of women to properly operate anything with an engine.

>>34628775
>wanting to rape every girl we see is also ingrained

No, it really isn't man, go talk to a psychologist or something, cuz that shit aint normal.

>>34628775
>lmao i evolved to rape every woman i see
>lmao owait if i did that i would get my shit kicked in by every man trying to get a woman for himself
>o i guess thats why that isnt actually an evolutionary psychological trait
dumb nigger

>>34628787

the only reason people don't rape is because its illegal. shit i bet seals rape chicks all the time

>>34628799
>the only reason NIGGERS don't rape is because its illegal. shit i bet seals rape chicks all the time
ftfy
also this just goes to evidence why it would be retarded to have a woman in a combat unit, if your niggerlogic is correct

>>34628799
youre a troll, right? gotta be
far be it for me to want a woman to have sex with me rather than forcing her to and getting turned on by her screaming NO and STOP etc etc

the fuck is wrong with you?

>>34628775
If you have that feeling, you're probably a fucking rapist, and not a normal person, you fucking subhuman

>>34628721
>>34628751
soviet russia had pretty strict rules of registering air wins, stricter than the usa and germany

>>34628819
>o the guy arguing for women to be severly damaged by being allowed placement in combat units actually gets off on harming women
surprising! i did not anticipate this!

>>34628830
You are either 12 years old, a slavaboo or both.

Cite a source to your ridiculous claim or stfu

>>34628847
other

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>>34626383
The only thing new here is you, friendo.

>>34625842
>As long as the standards are upheld
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

>>34627669
Prove it faggot. If the only standard dropped is that they can't be female, I don't care.

If women can be as good at sf as men, then we just got a huge new pool to grab the best from.

Otherwise, the navy seals are getting cucked and fucked for political bullshit.

>>34625820
The biggest problem I see with this is women psychologically fucking unit cohesion.

>>34628985
>p-p-prove it
stop being a willfully obtuse cuck to push your agenda
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00235103
>The women were approximately 52% and 66% as strong as the men in the upper and lower body respectively.
why did i need to search up an article to evidence this, retard? everyone knows its true. only reason you would ask for proof is because you want to delay the obvious conclusion that women are inferior to men in even just strength alone and so even by this one measure shoud not be in combat units
now go back to sucking pozd niggerdick like the numale cuck you are, faggot

>>34629032
Yeah, women are physically inferior to men, but if they can pass the trials, then they are good to go you double nigger.

I still need you to prove why they shouldn't be SF if they can pass the trials (only the trials that weren't weakened to help them pass).

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>>34628777

>>34629062
>only the trials that weren't weakened to help them pass

You mean all of them?

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>>34629062
ive attached a handy illustration to indicate that women are weaker than men
even outlying women are still extremely inferior to men and by this measure alone should be disincluded from combat arms
for every woman that gets passed there is a much more capable man that gets a no go

>>34629085
probably

More proof that women are inferior.

Just keep the ones who can pass the exams, and great, you've got more recruits without harming your combat performance

>>34629093
If there is a more capable man, then they should choose him over her

I already agree that women are genetically on average far weaker than men, but if it's an issue, we should raise the bar. If it's good enough for men, why isn't it good enough for women?

>>34629119
>Nineteen women and 381 men began Ranger School last month and at the finish of those initial 96 hours, eight women and 184 men remained—meaning just 42 percent of all women and 48 percent of men succeeded in passing those first days.
thats a pretty odd thing. the passing rate is almost identical between these two very disparate populations. i wonder if standards are being ignored for women selection?
also i wanted to find that sauce where the time grills went through basically the whole class passed (extremely odd coincidence!) whereas majority wash in other classes, indicating again that standards are weakened when women apply
couldnt find it tho, some other anon might post a link if he has it

>>34629152
Look dude, if you can find proof, I have no option but to agree.

however, I aint seeing it yet.

>>34625902
>sorry bruhs get used to having women in the military.

you are a fool

>>34629164
youre being a disingenuous cuck that knows hes wrong but are arguing because youre pozzed to hell.
looking for sauce, get fucked by jamal in the meantime cuck

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>>34629119
im not that anon, but, that is not the issue you fucking cuck.

the issue is wether the inclusion of women has more benefit than it has costs. letting women into military units has 2 benefits:
>a handful of women might make it.
>political correctness
letting women into the military has MANY costs.
>unit cohesion
>male members leave or dont join
>shittier performance
>higher logistics burden
>higher injury rates
>higher payouts for injury rates
>higher administrative costs (EOC)
>higher costs for facilities
>higher costs for equipment

it is not fucking worth it.

>>34628765
>If the Navy puts the woman through the EXACT SAME TRAINING PROCEDURES AS MEN GOT (as is in this case) there's no reason not to let her fly the goddamn plane.
Women are not the same as men, numbnuts.

>>34627478
>"HAHA ANON CAN'T TAKE A STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMAN XDDDDDDD BTFO"

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>>34629164
lmao i was going to go super autistic analysis but then i decided fuck it youre going to call bullshit on whatever i post so i might as well just post the minimum evidence

>>34629184
You're just mad and arguing from emotion like to leftypol triple nigger.

You ain't got no proof which is why you're calling me names without any argument.

>>34629189
>unit cohesion
how?
>higher logistics burden
tampons are fucking cheap
>shittier performance
in all but m4 accuracy at a very specific range, yeah, but if they pass the trials, that means they can fulfill the requirements
>higher injury rates
true, that's a downside
>higher payouts for injury rates
they should be the fucking same. how does being a women mean you should get more?
>male members leave or dont join
fuck 'em, they're pussy faggots
>higher costs for facilities
like what? if they can't live with the facilities men use, they can fuck off
>higher costs for equipment
how?

>>34629260
>>34629249
go suck ur army strong mom's dick faggot
>e-emotional
lmao emotional is what you get instead of combat readiness when your mom gets stuck into a line unit you kike

>>34629249
>I was totally gonna do this but then I decided to just tell you I can but didn't

If they don't lower the trials, and have to complete them at the level the men can, then they fulfill the requirements the men had to. We already agree that women are weaker on average due to genetic differences.

>>34629260
also
>no argument
>despite my having posted links to and figures from a peer-reviewed article
lmao you disingenuous kike
>>34629276
i just posted a difference in US ARMY standards for selection, retard. refute that

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>>34629189
>higher costs for facilities
Reminds me of pic related.

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>this thread

>>34629200
Except that's not what I'm saying, numbnuts. I'm saying if the woman passed the exact same training procedures and requirements as the men did, there's no reason not to let her fly the plane except "she's a woman, hurr". Quote where I said women are the same as men? Oh, right, I didn't, because that's an erroneous belief that has been disproved via science.

>>34629276
>if they dont lower the trials
>>34629249
you going to respond, kike? do you have something to refute the clear difference in selection standards for even the most basic qualification but are too busy sucking niggerdick to post?
cmon faggot, post something

>>34628775
>>34628588

cunt detected

>>34628770
If I crash that plane will you die?

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>>34629260
>unit cohesion
>how?
women ruin any social group they are in. you have obviously never in your life worked with 19 year old women.
>higher logistics burden
>tampons are fucking cheap
tampons and birth control are both expensive, and take up logistics.
>shittier performance
>in all but m4 accuracy at a very specific range, yeah, but if they pass the trials, that means they can fulfill the requirements
they are slower at every physical task. and are generally shitty workers at everything, again, you have never worked with 19 year old girls, obviously.
>higher payouts for injury rates
>they should be the fucking same. how does being a women mean you should get more?
MORE WOMEN GET INJURED
WOMEN GET INJURED WORSE THAN MEN
THEREFORE MORE MONEY IS PAYED IN MEDICAL COSTS
>male members leave or dont join
>fuck 'em, they're pussy faggots
the purpose of female military is to get a greater pool of recruits, but if it actually results in a smaller pool of recruits, then thats bad. dumb nigger.
>higher costs for facilities
>like what? if they can't live with the facilities men use, they can fuck off
>higher costs for equipment
>how?
bathrooms, barracks, uniforms, bunks, entire sections of ships have to be refitted.

>>34629276
whats that? you have nothing to refute that clear difference in selection standard that was obviously lowered for women?
>inb4 w-well show that for the women that passed ranger selection
the only reason i cant post that information is because such data is obfuscated by kikes like you to disallow analysis by anyone that isnt zog and if you werent being disingenuous like a jew you would have to agree that, if women cant even complete the BASIC ARMY QUAL at a decent enough rate for it to remain standardized between sexes then certainly it was fucked up completely to allow them into rangers
cmon nigger, refute it

>>34627728
Don't bar them, but do hold them to the same standards as everyone else and let the exceptions achieve the best they can

>>34629380
>>34629249
all women in the armed forces are exceptions, cuck. they are barred enlistment merely by merit of the most basal physical qualification applied to male candidates

>>34628699
That's admittedly pretty good for a woman. There are plenty of weak out of shape men that can't do that. That being said, she got pushed through training, fucked up on that carrier approach, and got herself killed. The F-14 wasn't exactly forgiving of error either. Supposedly the F-18 is simple to land in comparison.

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>>34629380
>hold them to the same standards as everyone else

Everyone keeps saying this, but it never happens. Even in the IOC, the standards were relaxed for women, but they still couldn't pass. Note that the female does not have a backpack on, she's not holding her rifle, she's not even wearing her gear properly. If that was a male he would have been punished.

>>34629249
you always can say you are a transgender woman :3

>>34629396
a lot of planes crash on carrier landings, iirc the guy who did the first ship landing ever said he could do it 9 times of 10, lol

he later died in a crash btw, albeit not ship related

>>34627708
I can really relate to how the lowering of standards negatively affects morale. I'm only in the CF Reserves, let alone the marine corps, and it always really disappoints me when I see completely retarded, fat, or otherwise combat ineffective morons (many of whom are females) being at the same level as me, having done the same courses. It almost nullifies what little pride I have for being able to push through unpleasant courses. When you're surrounded by people who are really switched on and competent, it has an immensely positive effect on morale

>the jew stops responding when the simplest evidence is posted
lmao i expect him to pop up tomorrow arguing the exact same thing again, though. some austrian war hero even wrote a book about this jewish argument tactic, so common is it. hopefully some lurker learned something from this, though

>>34627811
Gunny is USMC, the shirts are army
>hurrdurr idk what I'm saying.
Geezus man do some lurking before your 18th bday, please

>>34628608
we have that exact picture in our CoC board for general mattis, "patron saint of chaos"

anyways, ill throw my anecdotes and 2 cents in as well

Im in an all male unit. the only females on our compound are civilian workers in the dfac, and a couple in the S shops.

The first time I did anything in the army with women (minus airborne which is just a 3 week vacation anyways) was being in the same squad as a female during darby phase of ranger school.

She had pretty good pt scores for sure, but her common sense and tactical knowledge was absolutely garbage

>last day of patrols
>im bravo team leader, shes squad leader
>chillin inna orp trying to keep people awake while shes away on the leaders recon
>comes back, we roll out to the RP. I give her the claymore and wait for her to set in security and sbf
>she comes gets us, wants to spread the line of 5 dudes out across 50 meters of space, i squeeze the line back down to a managable size
>goes to set up the claymore
cont'd

Anyone now about the women that have been recruited by Delta? I know they pulled a few in here and there. I don't think they were on AFO teams but they may have been along for a few.

>>34629689
>comes back to me 30 minutes later and tells me to push up to a tree in front of me
>i sit there staring at it for a few seconds trying to figure out if shes serious
>"you mean the tree you just set the claymore up in front of?"
>she replies by staring off at the tree, turning back to me and saying "huh, really?"
>just shake my head and throw some branches over top of me
>ambush gets initiated
>turns out the SBF was right behind the assault line even after i had condensed it down to half the size she originally wanted

as for what i think would happen if women got into an operational role in SOF, itd be a no go.

obviously the navy squeals would be unaffected because theyre already shit but for other units, it would mean a huge breakdown in the morale and discipline of the unit

the last boys club i know of is SOF, and if you inject pussy into it you can bet your ass everyone in the unit is gonna try and fuck it

on the operational side ill make this comparison:
cont'd

>>34625820
How badly do you have to fuck up as a father that your daughter thinks she wants to be a soldier?

>>34629736
ranger school was easy as fuck compared to some of the more challenging operations ive been on.

walking for 50k, climbing up mountainsides, bounding for hundreds of meters, all while in a kit that can weigh easily as much as 100lbs is something i dont think any woman can do

>>34629732
theres no woman thats been recruited to be an operator in delta

>>34629765
Maybe as part of cultural support teams? I knew none of them were operators.

>>34629786
i thought even those few grils that were tabbed as rangers are still being held back from operations because higher isnt going to fuck up a mission to appease higher higher
t. not an oper8or but i swear i read it somewhere

>>34629806
Completely possible. It's been a long time since i read about out. The unit usually doesn't dick around with PC bullshit.

>>34629806
>>34629822

the tabbed ranger females were both officers, and none of them infantry

griese is currently an RI in darby phase, may many a candidate tac jack to her. idk what the other ones are doing. no CST female has a tab

>>34629786
CST is a completely separate part of SOF and involves none of the selection pipeline it takes to make delta

>>34629765
I thought ranger school was just a leadership school, and rasp was the actual selection?

>>34629846
yea ranger school gets you the tab, making you ranger-qualified

rasp gets you into the 75th rgr, an actual SOF unit

>>34625918
I know this place Fort Lee ALU? man what you doing trying get your ass sharped?

>>34625902
To prove that they don't discriminate by gender, they will run her as hard as any other seal candidate. Unless she has the willpower to carry on, her body will either break or she'll just legitimately fail. SO1's don't give a fuck.

>>34625922
>She'll be the only female in her boot camp division

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All treating female soldiers like combat princesses will do is get people killed.

who the hell let them go Ranger school sucks immensely I seen what those guys do they got my respect by god

>>34628592
>>34629380
And who is going to hold them to the same standards?
Are these standards EVERYTHING that matters to be a soldier?

Of course women are not men, and can't handle the same stuff as men.... so of COURSE standards will be changed for them.

>>34629856
So can anyone complete ranger school without completing rasp?

>>34629935
Context of image: What a female soldier should look like.

>>34629994
>complete school but not rasp
yes
>anyone
yes, even women :DDD
>that's scary
yes

>>34628635
And people don't die all the time due to incompetence in drivers? Or doctors? Or construction workers?

This is the nature of affirmative action, everyone pushing it knows people aren't equal, but they have this delusional belief that if everyone just believed a lie, reality itself would change.

>>34629977
>Of course women are not men, and can't handle the same stuff as men.... so of COURSE standards will be changed for them.

The physical standards are kind of important when your life and the lives of your squad mates depend on you being able to carry your own shit, then climb over a wall with it, then march 10 miles and win a firefight.

>>34629994
rasp and ranger school are entirely unrelated

it just that regiment kicks you out after 2 years if you dont get your tab, so a lot of candidates in school happen to be junior enlisted from 75th

>>34628892
>he thinks because it's been going on for a few months that it's not "new'
That's cute sweetie

>>34630007
funnily the most of doctors in my cuntry are women

guess why, because for the most of the medical workers it's a poorly paid job

>>34630041
>tfw most doctors here are third worlder imports because the government wants to make it a poorly paid job
such is life in these cucked euro nations

>>34626176
or get her self killed by drama

>>34629627
>she's even doing chinups instead of pullups

>>34630184
And probably weighs like 120 lbs

>>34628711
to be fair they did rush her onto aircraft she's not ready for
slow learner plus pr spotlight is not a good combo

>>34629911
Even if she was to get shoehorned through BUD/S there's still a huge pipeline of follow on training before a SEAL is operational.
Like 40 weeks worth of SQT, jump school, and their individual specialty training (SEAL MOS).
After that they are deployable (dependent on need) but technically not operational as they are supposed to be run through a further training pipeline for several more weeks.

They could easily shoehorn a women through BUD/S, go "Look it's GI Jane for realz!" and then literally kill her in follow on training without a fucking peep of it publicized

Q1: Has the Army and USMC gotten their first female grunts yet?


Q2: What the fuck is going to be done about the National Guard? Everyone is up in the air about the active force, rightfully so, but literally all of you forget the NG.

Before you say the NG isn't important fucking remember that the NG filled in the gaps and was a pressure release valve for overdeployed Soldiers and Marines when we were deployed on two fucking fronts - 2nd and 3rd line forces filling in the gaps so active duty Army and USMC forces could take a fucking breather and not go on back to back 13 month deployments with fuck all time at home station.
And National Guard units saw more combat in OEF/OIF than they have in any war since WW2

Problem: National Guard Infantry units take unit transerees from non-combat units all the time - I'm talking POG's who wanna reclass to deploy, dudes who are moving to a new state/area where their snowflake MOS isn't catered to, etc. Considering basically ALL states can't afford to send them off to Benning for 5 weeks of AIT, the (larger) states (with active duty posts) run Infantry Schools/Cavalry Schools/etc overseen by small detachments of TRADOC/3rd Army/etc.
These schools are usually shorter, shortest Infantry school being 3 and 1/2 weeks (supposed to have a high training tempo mind you, but because not fucking recruits, but E-4's, NCO's, etc it's more of a gentlemanly arrangement than sending an E-6 with a CAB to Benning to deal with literal active duty recruit children).

It would be literally fucking easy for a woman to become a "grunt" this way - hold on to dear life for 3 weeks and hope you skate by TRADOC.

An active duty unit can adapt, throw a female into HHC, etc. It would be literal fucking pandemonium on a guard Infantry/Cav/Artillery unit and would wholly undermine unit cohesion and cut deeply into already limited training time which must be utilized to the fullest. And it's not exactly easy to just throw her to HHC -

>>34630508
cont.

HHC could be on the other side of the state - meaning now you have to send a problem child with tits who lives in the same county to the other side of the state, where she can fuck her way up Battalion leadership and suddenly nightmare mode as your joes are losing slots for schools and other bullshit
Most Infantry battalions have 2-3 available AT's a year - AGR's generally attend at least two, normal drill troops attend at least one.
One is always Battalion wide, another will pair up dissimilar squads - the leftovers and can also include specialized classes or schools

>>34629299
Do they not have trash cans?

>>34630552
More than 60% of my AT's from the guard side were inna field, inna pup tent, at the ass end of Ft. Drum/Dix/Knox/Hood/Polk training for 17-20 hours a day tier including ruck marches/ranges/etc.

Guard units have to make up the limited time they have so they fucking jam as much as they can into a 20 hour period.
The other AT's were staying in old dilapidated 50's era barracks going from PT to TRADOC check the box training to TRADOC check the box training to ranges, to more TRADOC, until the unit is all goes

>>34630614
>the inferior intellect of the female homo sapien sapien is able to comprehend the intended use of that odd cylindrical object nestled in the corner of most rooms
thats where ur wrong, kiddo

>>34629520
Same here. I'm a reservist too. Fortunately we have adopted the force test which is gender neutral, so at least it's a step to closing the gender pay gap where males are paid the same despite being able to perform greater work than females in a field setting for example. There's an unconscious pressure to lower standards to accomodate females which I believe is harmful to the institution, our readiness and the female members who can achieve the standard. What civilians don't understand is that the military is a team based organization where you are only as strong as your weakest link. It's soul crushing having an otherwise fun course/exercise scaled back to elementary school fitness levels because your obese female colleagues are can't keep up. And you can't abandon them either. They may be shitty soldiers but oftentimes you befriend them while on course and have no choice but to take things slow, thus degrading the quality of training. I remain somewhat optimistic that the CF will weather the SJW storm and move towards more objective standards that don't pander to political ideology.

All govt institutions and every other sector should be gender neutral and based solely on merit. Full stop. I think most of here understand the injustice of barring a woman from any job despite being qualified. We should promote the most qualified human beings and not succumb to the very real pressure to relax standards in order to accomodate a certain groups that all western militaries are currently facing.

>>34631286
>I think most of here understand the injustice of barring a woman from any job despite being qualified.
"oh sorry miss, you're a woman and thus you're not allowed to go out to some distant country to get shot at."
what the fuck is wrong with this?

>>34631309
It's late and maybe my reading comprehension is shit but I for one would support more women in combat. Equality also means equal responsibility and risk. It doesn't make sense to ask thousands of young men to die overseas while women remain safe at home as a privileged class, only to become spoiled and go on to undermine western society a few generation later. Whatever male privilege SJWs screech about has been earned in blood and at a very high cost in our society. It's time women also share the burden too. My life is no more or less valuable than a woman's, therefore women should be filling body bags by the thousands when the next big war breaks out. And the argument about "muh male instincts to protect wimminz" is fedora tier beta horseshit.

>>34631412
>My life is no more or less valuable than a woman's
it is less valuable than a woman's, simply because you can inseminate a multitude of women at once, while women most of the time can only be pregnant with one child.

>>34627428
>SPAS-12
Yeah,no.

>>34631421
We're nolonger a Paleolithic society. This argument is no longer relevant. We could, for example, adopt immigration policies that heavily favored women following a large war to replenish our population. Plus immigrant women tend to have more children than western women. The end result is a society where women's calls for equality are better substantiated because they actually have born a cost in terms of lives and blood historically only paid by men. I'm not a MRA, I just advocate extreme equality where male and the more pervasive-yet-never-discussed female privilege is destroyed.

>>34631541
>We're nolonger a Paleolithic society.
famous last words

>We could, for example, adopt immigration policies that heavily favored women following a large war to replenish our population.
"let's slaughter all of our blood and hand our country over to invaders"

>The end result is a society where women's calls for equality are better substantiated
equality is useless as men and women are not equal, and we already have equity where it's needed.

> I just advocate extreme equality where male and the more pervasive-yet-never-discussed female privilege is destroyed.
so you're advocating for the destruction of civilization?

>>34631541
>lmao i love destroying western civilization: The Post
the exact reason we're "nolonger" a paleolithic society is because we are a white society

>>34631558
nice post, friendo
kek gave me the dubs tho

>>34631541
Besides, from a male perspective, this would dramatically improve men's happiness and well-being since women would now have to do their fair share instead of demanding to have their cake and eat it too. Less of us would have to fight and die and more of us would remain to breed with immigrant women with very high fecundity. Women will fare worse because the privilege afforded to them by chauvinist will no longer be there, but this is actually a good thing because I maintain that my life is equally as valuable as hers.

>>34631599
>lel boy gee i sure love having our women struggle and die in shitfuckistan at the hands of those dirty sandniggers
>boy gee i sure do hate our white women, fellow (((white male)))
maybe neck yourself, shitskin

>>34631558
>so you're advocating for the destruction of civilization?

No but I am advocating for a civilization where my life has the same value as Jane's. It doesn't make sense why we make such massive concessions to women following WWII when the vast majority of military deaths were male.

Men died for their sons rights
Women only cried for theirs.

As is stands now, women have much greater privilege than males in western societies. The pendulum needs to swing back towards the middle.

>>34631636
>but I am advocating for a civilization where my life has the same value as Jane's.
so you're advocating for the destruction of civilization.
life is not equal.

>>34631636
>lol all those women that died in WWI frontlines
literally retarded. not surprising, considering the average IQ of your ilk is more than a standard deviation lower than the average
>men and women are equal and their lives are equivalent
hheh
unlike you savages we appreciate our women up here. a little too much, currently, but sending them off to a meatgrinder is literal shitskin terr suicide bomber tier.

>>34627428
Big feet.

>>34631615
Judging by the drivel you typed in your post,. I'm going to assume you're from /pol/. I hate to break it to you, but most of the values of left wing ideology you abhor is due to white women enabling them via the vote and not having to bear the consequences of their decisions

>>34631668
Judging by the drivel you typed in your post,. I'm going to assume you're from Israel. I hate to break it to you, but most of the values of white civilization you abhor are due to white forebears enabling them via pogrom and not having to bear the parasites of your like

>>34631636

Your life has less value. That is just the fact of the matter.

>>34631661
>>34631645

Well then I hope you don't mind being drafted to fight and die in some stupid war while "your" women you've never even met continue to subvert western civilization by enabling SJWs. If you do survive, you can look forward to returning home and being berated for being a cis scum heterosexual white male.

>>34625918
>PT gear in a PX
WHAT THE FUCK.

>>34631718
>i don't like that we're giving subversives power to change society so let's just destroy western civilization because my feelings were hurt

you're a fucking man. grow up and fix your local environment.

>>34631718
>not the jews >not the jews >not the jews >not the jews >not the jews >not the jews >not the jews >not the jews >not the jews >not the jews
You know who is responsible for zog infiltration and subversion of our nations? White women, that's who.
:^)

>>34631697
I'm sure you wouldn't be so cavalier if Hill dog won the election and sent you to die fighting the Russians. You'd only come home to a country where opportunity is limited because you're not a woman and company X has a quota to fill

>>34631740
no, the russians are. they've been doing this since the 1800s.

>>34627428
At least her arms aren't small just slightly above average with less than average male strength.

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>>34627248
>fucking up this hard
The fact that this cunt also fucked over a bunch of fellow pilots and killed a Tomcat makes me wish this bitch ejected over Africa and was gang raped and infected with AIDS.

>>34631748
>the thousands of men volunteering for military service, more than is required for current function must somewise be supplemented by drafting women
>modern warfare will devolve into a footslog where we persecute action by numerical superiority and not technology operated by a small corps
you're inventing a specious problem and then offering the most preposterous course of action as its insuperable solution. i wonder if there might be a (((motive))) behind this argument?

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>>34627896
Never

>>34631735
I'm only advocating for consistency. Either women are equal or their not. We're currently going down the path of women are equal in every regard therefore I think it's time they put money where their mouth is. Because of you fedora fgts get your way, women will be paid the same or more than the men who in many instances out perform them in the economy, all the while bearing absolutely NO COST/RESPONSIBILITY for their society. If you are happy being passed over for a job because you didn't fit the "diversity" quota box and happy with being sent to die for a civilization that treats white males as the enemy, go for it.

>>34631794
women are not equal. your post is based off some stupid notion that has been dismissed already by those you;re arguing with. fundamentally flawed, oddly, despite having been presented arguments as to why your basal ideation is retarded. i wonder why you would be so disingenuous as to ignore that, then?

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>>34627428
I find the pose odd.
Compare it to the rest of the game roster. I imagine this was the first female character they designed. Some artist took inspiration from the we can do it poster and was expecting it to be changed later and it didn't.

>>34631781
>Be you
>Major war breaks out, get drafted
>Women not drafted because "much chilvary"
>Return back from war, missing legs and a testicle
>Homeland is in disarray because the women have turned it into a SJW no-borders shithole, Muslims running amok
>Die getting stabbed to death by a jihadi born in your neighborhood
>Get blamed for it because you probably insulted his religion and deserved it

K

>>34631728
oh look here comes private major here to enforce THE GROOMAN STANDURD

>>34631816
To add.
Even weirder is how most of the characters that realistically could pose with their ability do so. But she has a small camera that she throws that she could easily show and her entire right arm is dedicated to showing off her guns in the shot.
Why?

>>34631827
>be me
>war...
>women drafted because muh equality
>return maimed
>oshit now half the population is shitskins and there's now severely depressed opportunity to repopulate it with whites
>other nonarguments

K

>>34631838
to expound on this idea, what im saying is that zog control of government and whether women are given equal rights as they are equal liens are divorced concepts that you are trying to conflate for either malicious reasons or stupidity

>>34629935
You can't buy test and gear on deployment.

>>34630001
That muscle is still less dense.
Those bones also less dense.
The only woman that I've meet who could out ruck me backpacked for a living. And am not in any particularly good shape.

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>>34626544
Well no reason to think that mental illness wouldn't affect Seals.

>>34631848
>Every single problem in the west is because of the juice
>No repercussions have ever been experienced following the suffragette movement
>Women continue to vote against their own self-interest (open borders, refugees welcome), partly because they are insulated from the consequences
>"John please fight and die for me! The Islamic state of France is making me wear a burqa after their weekly truck of peace happenings!"

Explain to me how Israel is responsible for this? I'm being serious. I'm not trolling

>>34630184
>>34630225
Palm in pull ups are harder.

>>34631830
No, just a Marine.

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>>34632002
>TFW you're a guy and you would never be able to manage that due to lacking any upper body strength despite working out regularly

>>34632078
spoiler: you probably arent working out correctly

>>34632094
I've never been able to do a single pull-up my entire life.

>>34632120
then i dont believe you work out regularly

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>>34631816
They went with that pose because she's based on pic related who's apparently a US Army vet that hunts (hunted maybe?) poachers in Africa.

Still kinda dodgy because she was only a motorpool mechanic and seems like she's playing at being an oper8r

>>34631891
thats where ur wrong, kiddo
palm in allows for most efficient orientation for biceps brachii activation as well as brachialis activation

>>34632078
the guy has less mass to pull up though so a one armed pullup is easier for him
same reason why runners without arms or missing legs and have titanium replacements are cheating

>>34631885
what allowed for the suffragette movement, kiddo? what allowed for enfranchisement of anyone but white male landowners? and you're telling me that shitskin imports have a higher rate of voting republican (because it sure sounds like youre a two-party goy) than white females?
explain to me how a symptom of the problem has somehow conversely become the cause of the disease

It's probably going to be like the first ranger she'll
get special privileges to watch a class then have all of the requirements lowered and then voila.
The shit we do to become progressive

>>34632185
spoiler: that guy in >>34632002 also has less muscles to pull himself up with as well

>>34632261
>his fully functioning upper limb somehow has less muscle than the upper limb of someone with two upper limbs
ur wrong kiddo. guy has exactly the same number of muscles to do a one-armed pullup than anyone else with one or two ULs
what youre saying i think is that someone taking that obstacle would use two arms to surmount it but that wasnt what i was arguing

>>34632269
well, have you tried to run without legs? how is it cheating?
but true on
>same number of muscles to do a one-armed pullup than anyone else
part, but what i'm trying to say apparently that... "stop being ableist hurr durr"

>>34632302
>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/blade-runners-do-high-tech-prostheses-give-runners-an-unfair-advantage/
> Markus Rehm’s bid to compete in the 2016 Rio de Janeiro Olympics fell short in July when he could not prove that his carbon-fiber “blade” prosthesis didn’t give him an advantage.
Because or energy storage bla bla bla weight reduction bla bla etc. etc.
If olympic commitee believes it could render an unfair advantage thats pretty weighty

>>34632078
There's something ridiculously wrong with you, then.

>>34632310
pretty funny how they disregard the presumption of innocence and bar him olympics when he couldn't prove some shit instead of them proving that he had an unfair advantage

>>34632310
hmmh, interesting. thanks for the link

>>34632336
I think it's pretty reasonable, senpai. Unfortunate for bud that he can't compete in the regular games, but it would be unfair to allow him to run against legged competitors when his prestheses do render him an advantage in weight reduction and using less energy to reposition the [leg] before footstrike
>>34632340
np senpai

>>34632172
Because she's full of shit, just like most every Vet I have ever met, and certainly every veteran on the Internet.

>>34632269
Hey dumb ass, he's missing one arm and one leg, so that removes quite a few pounds. The prosthetic limb was high tech low weight materials paid for by taxpayers because he's a fucking snowflake princess.

You can not compare him to the average man in similar "fit" condition.

BTW, I like the chick at the end, she's like... what the fuck, this guy!

>>34632925
> he's a fucking snowflake princess
is he adorable?

>>34626544
Yes, but the time of her service, she was a jacked testosterone beast. MtF hormone treatments seriously reduce your upper body strength and physical ability in general. I was a muscular athletic teenager and HRT made me a scrawny skeleton. I'm all for letting normal women into combat roles as long as they can meet the same standards as the men (because there are women out there who are capable of meeting those standards and are motivated to do the job, just not many). As long as the standards are equal, I don't care if there are lady SEALs. There might even be some advantages to letting physically capable women in. I do know that South Korean special forces include women for sensitive tasks where a female operator is more advantageous (like certain surveillance situations, I would assume). Of course, that only applies to normal women. Transsexual women who have begun treatments are physically not capable of doing the job because we're literally bombarding our bodies with massive doses of what amounts to "muscle remover" and suppressing all testosterone production, and we become basket cases when we don't get those hormone treatments. I'm sure there are FtMs out there who are physically capable since they're injecting testosterone, but even then you've got the whole threat of a mental breakdown in the event that the supply of hormone meds is cut off (which is likely in a combat situation where trauma meds and supplies are priority). It's equality, and I don't understand how people out there don't get it. If you want to do the same job, you need to meet the same standards. If you want your gender to be eligible for combat service, you have to get your gender signed up for selective service. On the flip side, women who can actually meet the same standards should be let in and not raped by the inbred ghetto scum that somehow pass the background checks and seem to occupy half of all base housing.

>>34627248
>She died just months after she was certified for combat

>>34633068
meantime when i have said recently on /k/ that our medicine still can do jack shit they attacked me violently

can't even make a fake vagina which doesn't try to close itself, can't even alter the body hormone production so people on hrt wouldn't depend on taking drugs etc, it's probably better examples than what i used that it can't change eyeball's shape to cure shortsitedness or that it can't remove late stage cancer etc

>>34625842
I always hated this meme, women are gonna fail like fifteen times the rate men do so why even waste the money training them?

Has she even qualified through the physical fitness tests? Can't imagine she could physically compete with men when it comes to pushups and pullups. Maybe, just maybe, she could get through the running and swimming...but come on. Even if she does get through the quals...

And then the log PT? The fireman carries? The rucking?

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>>34625820

Why hasnt Trump uncucked the military yet? I know a guy in the marines and he had to go to this class and read a booklet about transgender issues

>>34627470
>the RIO survives

>the diversity pick gets splattered all over the sea at mach fuck

Holy shit KEK

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>>34634654
Because his daughter and son in law are NYC libtards and they leaned on Daddy not to be mean to the faggots and Daddy gave Mattis his marching orders. And so another conservative institution gets eaten from the inside, and Republicans are already falling all over themselves to 'conserve' what the Democrats did last year.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/13/politics/house-defeats-bid-block-pentagon-transgender-surgeries/index.html

>>34627248
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_Hultgreen#Death

Read the death section and holy fuck, she literally did every single thing wrong she could possibly do

>>34627664
>NEVA BEEN DONE BEFO

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>>34634654

Everyone in the MC is getting that class, the only people taking it seriously though is the officers who have to give it as well as enforce Equal Opportunity regulations and the trannies who thankfully aren't very numerous.

Women and trannies are mostly viewed as hindrances by everyone, faggots who aren't flaming attention whores don't really get any flack because they are still way more useful than an average woman is.

>>34627728
This, its pathetic

>>34632172
god almighty you going go into a firefight wiht ut 550 cord on your mag and only three mags with shit unbuckled and not taped down dam you make me laugh

>>34634821
There was nothing wrong with DADT. The rate of faggot rape has trebled since it was repealed.

>>34629299
It's about the same in any women's bathroom, there's a screencap of that too

>>34632172
>cold steel
>empty scabbard

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>>34627281
>>34627248

>First in the automated ejection sequence, the RIO survived. However, by the time Hultgreen's seat fired 0.4 seconds later, the plane had exceeded 90 degrees of roll, and she was ejected downward into the water. She was killed instantly.

THOT BEGONE

>>34625902
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_Hultgreen#Death

who was that chick in the iraq war that deserted and was captured, but the media made her out to be this badass hero?

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>>34633068
>this post
Fuck off noserve tranny scum.

>>34632180
I'd rather use my experience in doing pull ups for PFT's rather than your "hurr said so". Palm in uses only biceps, while Palm out uses your back muscles.

>>34633068
No amount of physical change will ever be enough. The high of evading your problems with girly things and fetishistic endorphin pleasure will one day stop working. You can't chase the pleasure dragon forever.

You should face the problems that made you desire to escape being what you are for a fetishistic escape mechanism from reality.

Distant father and mother who didn't give unconditional love? Autism spectrum disorder leading to a fascination with the opposite gender and then a parent forcefully made you do only masculine things?

Your body isn't the problem. Your parents are for not raising you as a special needs child should have been.

You aren't better than the other trannies no matter what you say to yourself. You demand that normal people help you get the high of your fetish. You're fucked up but you could get better if you weren't a coward.

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>>34635451
100% nonsense
Don't ever post on this board again

>>34627833
one less male that wouldn't have qualified anyway
> ftfy
No capable men are being washed out here and it's ridiculous and intellectually dishonest for you to claim so

>>34628588
>>34628747
>*socially ingrained thanks to chilavry meme
ftfy

>>34629093
>what is an average
I bet all women are 5' 4' or less and all men 5''9 too huh?

>>34629360
so anon, you worked with every girl in the world and are sure that any of them chosen will be exactly like the cunts you worked with? Now this is just a childish level of stereotyping. Admit it, you just want themilitary free of anything that doesn't have a dick out of your own I rational bias and anecdotal evidence.

>>34635982
If you were going hiking, would you buy a 2,000$ pair of sandals that might fall apart anyway, or would you grab a pair of boots of the rack? You would not believe how much the great equality experiment has costed our military. If you did, you would shut your fat mouth.

>>34631697
I would argue why this male disposability theory meme is shit in detail BUT I really haven't the time. I will say that you're ridiculous if you think its that simple because you only need "le 1 man to inseminate 100 females." If a tribe only had one or even 10 males left but 100 females, they would be just as fucked, if not way more, as one with 100 males and 10 females. Actually, no, much worse, because all the tribe with 100 males has to do is go next door and easily massacre the tribe with 10 males and steal their women and they would be just fine. Men have not been seen as overall less valuable than women throughout history and you are a fool to think otherwise, men weren't juts seen as physically beyter, but intellectualy (and in some cultures spiritually)

>>34631870
and those are the women who would be allowed to sign up for the military, not most of the sissy females you know.
why do people keep overlooking this? No matter what, due to the differences in men and women, the military will always be a male dominated institution. that however is not the same as a male ONLY institution, which you guys are arguing for.

>>34636079
that was the worst fucking anology ever and we are now all stupid for having heard it. there is no "might" here when we know that the beast of a female in question can pass the standards and is competent. Though I'm sure most women are intellectually competent enough to do the work in the military, you're just misogynist who assumes all women are useless in everything despite there being plenty of women who are smarter and more successful than you.

>>34636277
And YOU are overlooking esprit de corps and basic cooperative psychology. Why in an organization where efficiency is paramount would you allow any but the cheapest and most effective members in?

>>34636390
Why are those few women who can qualify becauae they are 2 standard deviations away from the average strength of women assumed to be ineffective?
Moreover, how the hell are they more expensive?
again, it's your bias talking.

>>34636384
Don't hurt yourself trying to comprehend macroeconomics. It doesn't matter if your beast woman is 100% reliable and uninjurable (she isn't, by the way), because allowing her in means allowing other, less fit females and an endless host of new healthcare and morale complications. Men are cheap and work better on average than females. I don't think all women are useless (projection on your part?) I just rightly think they're less suitable for military service.

>>34631827
>bitching about muh SJWs and muslims
>is advocating for Western women to get slaughtered in wars so that they can be replaced with non white women (and presumably men, since the casualty rate won't be 100% female)
This is some next level faggotry

>>34636418
You've clearly never served.
1. Medical expenses
2. Pregnancies
3. Logistical strain of getting sanitary products during ops
4. Camo. Fucking. Welfare. Queens.

>>34636418
Oh, didn't address your first point:
Women are worse team players on average, looking after themselves almost exclusively and men tend to go out of their way to shelter and favor them.

>>34636461
By your own standards, biology and evolution dictate that it doesn't matter if the woman is white or not, as long as she is a fertile woman.

>>34636418
because men 2 standevs away from their average are still much stronger. there will certainly be many more men in selection that are far stronger than any woman in the pipeline than will get selected

>>34635860
wrong, kiddo

>>34635911
>lmao the outlying women in selection will be far more physically competent than the large majority of men present
dont respond to me or my graph ever again

>>34636469
tampons,and pads really aren't that expensive and neither are most types of birth control pipills these days. plus, if you were really an expert on biology, you would know most women who go through such intense periods of exercise end up stopping menstration.
>some women get preggo so thry can,be discharged
and some men claim insanity so they can,be discharged, quit making it look like women are the only ones who can be incompentent/cowardly sometimes. You're bias is really showing.
the last point you made doesn't even make sense and seems like more irrational stereotyping.
>>34636486
ahh more stereotypes as if it matters when we already assume most women won't make the cut. Funnily enough the steroeotype is actually reverse, women are said to usually more collective and work as a group more to accomplish most tasks as they had to evolutionarily.
That's why group ostracism is such a tragedy for them.

>>34637021
but why should it matter when those outlier women will,be better than the male who wouldn't make the cut? I don't gwt what you're arguing anymore and I don't think you ever understood what I was arguing either. I'm not asking for the average women w be allowed into the military, dingus. The army will always be a,male dominated institution just because women on average are weaker. Literally no,one is disagreeing with the charts you posted. the ewmen 2 std greater than the mean should be allowed before the men 2std below then mean if thwy can carry the weight of the average guy who makes it (which they would be able to)

>>34636994
nice argument, you have throughly convinced me.
sryly though, socialization is the only reason why rationalguys(without ASPD) don't start fights with girls. you know this right?

>>34637170
>those outlier women will be better than the male who wouldn't make the cut
wrong again, kiddo
>women 2std greater than the mean should be allowed before men 2std below the mean
you dumb cuck i was saying that men 2std greater than the mean are still much more capable than women 2std above their pop mean. beside even that, women 2std above their mean are still going to be surpassed by almost every single male in the selection course, which yields the obvious result that, in a fair selection, all the women and most of the men will be cut and not get tabbed, which leads to the conclusion that women should not even be allowed to enter selection because they would never pass fairly

>>34637192
>socialization is king
lmao go suck off freud you kikeologist.

>>34636960
Listen here fuckface, that was my first comment and I'm not discussing about females in the military. I'm just pointing out how stupid you are
You claim that women not serving in the military leads to men getting killed while the women turn their country in a Muslim and SJW hellhole. But your solution to that is to let women in the military and when they get killed in action the country just replaces them with nonwhites.
You're literally advocating for a Muslim SJW shithole country, except your solution gets you there even faster since instead of "voting in bullshit policies via women", the country literally replaces it's own population by itself.