10mm General

>>34624340
10mm is good.10mm in a sub-compact is stupid. 357sig is an all around more effective cartridge.

>>34624361
why are there so few 357 sig pistols? It really seems like the only pistol caliber where hollowpoints function reliably...

>>34624382
the ammo is expensive, and therfore considered somewhat of a specialty caliber. there are no shortage of guns chambered in it if you do some looking though. most of the popular duty pistols have a 357sig variant. they are just hard to find in the wild, and less visible in advertising because the popularity in the civilian market is so low.

>>34624361

There is only like a 100fps drop or less between the regular and compact models

>>34625089
Yeah, but a 5-6" bbl should be the standard anyhow. For all intents and purposes, cost aside, the 10mm is the best mm.

9mm.
.40 S&W
.45 ACP
.38 Special
10mm
.357 SIG
9mm Makarov
All do the same, the only real life difference in mortality is shot placement.

>>34624361

>.357Sig is literally 9mm Luger at an extra 150FPS at double the cost and a quarter of the availability.

At least 10mm can be loaded to OG specs, and make a great woods/hunting pistol.

>>34625172
Anything used for hunting doesn't apply to this idea. 10mm consistently produces one-shot-stops on animals. If that idea is true for anti-personnel ammo, 10mm isn't entirely anti-personnel.

I want a CZ Scorpian in 10mm

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>>34624340
> glock 29
> 29
> 9
> 10 mm

>>34625089
the more pronounced muzzle flip and extreme muzzle flash make it more suited for a larger, preferable full size gun for optimal accuracy.

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10mm best mm

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I carry a Glock 29. It will stop anything and ammo is cheap and plentiful.

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>>34624340
Riddle me this, if 10mm is so great then why don't we just call it the #1 Centimeter round?

>>34624340
meme to the extreme. No one shoots it well.

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>>34625357
>muzzle flip
Ask me how I know you have no idea what you are typing about.

>>34625302
That's not how it works

is every hammer fired 10mm gun expensive?

>>34624340
If you need a semiauto that can kill anything on the northern hemi-sphere and still be tactically viable, then yes.

>>34625865
whats so bad in the southern hemisphere then

>>34624340
10mm is fine from a full sized pistol that will actually handle the round like a 9mm

glock 29 is on the the least comfortable pistols i've ever fired and i almost immediately sold it back. the pistol is designed to not explode from 10mm and that's about it, there is nothing keeping your hand from receiving that full sharp kick and reaquiring sight picture between shots is slower than you'd want for a self defense piece

get a full size 1911 or otherwise a 4"+ barrel with as much steel and spring you can get if you want to enjoy shooting 10mm, and actually shoot things effectively at 100yards like the round is very capable of

>>34625885
Elephants.

>>34625923
I don't even know what to say about this shit post.

>>34625770
obviously
seems like they designated them arbitrarily

>>34625089

It's actually just a 40 fps drop between the G20 and G29

>>34625798
Not the plastic eaa witness

>>34624361
>357 sig is all around a more effective cartridge than 10mm

said no one, ever

>>34624340
it is an awesome round
best 10mm is arguably the Glock 20
best way to carry it is not concealed because it is fucking heavy

>>34626322
no, there is probably greater than 40 fps variation between glock 20s as a whole plus this is probably for a single load

Does anyone besides Glock make a reliable full size 10mm that holds more than 10 rounds?

>>34626568
>there is probably greater

Probably? So you didn't actually test it? Because I have. 35 to 40 fps difference is average across every load I tested. Do your own research you lazy fuck.

>>34626208
chronological order isn't arbitrary

>>34626682
for what your 1 glock 29 and your 1 glock 20? I didn't go and buy 10 but you can easily look through varuous people's testing reports with the same load through their own Glock 20s

Who else /emotionallyinvestedintheideaofVltorresurrectingtheBrenTenandleadingtherenaissanceof10mm/? 10mm isn't going to make it if the only halfway-decent gun for it that's being made is the P220.

>>34625923
3/4" and 6oz really broke you huh. It's not even a real subcompact. God forbid you ever touch a J-frame

>>34626811
That's going to be a lot more dependent on the consistency of the ammo than the gun. It's not even a full 1" of barrel loss. You probably think cylinder gap is a real issue too

>>34626532
Well, he just did. So your statement is objectively false.

>>34626841
And G20, G29, all the RIA 10mms,the Witness elites and the GP40L when it's actually available.

Allegedly Springfield was playing with a 10mm XD before the committed subura

>>34625172
>9mm Makarov

Really nigga? A commie round?

>>34628026
No one enjoys shooting 10mm Glocks and the rest are fucking huge guns, though I'm interested in a rotating-barrel 10mm. The Bren Ten was a normal-sized duty pistol.

>>34628792
Of course, not to say the SIG P220 isn't huge as well. It's just so well-built and heavy it handles 10mm better than anything else out right now. 1911's have structural problems with 10mm and I don't think polymer is quite yet there for a round like 10mm.

>>34625172
10mm does not belong on that list, you faggot. The tests you are referencing did not include 10mm.

>>34628127
What's your point? It still kills people, commies were really good at that.

>>34624361
Why do you have to be right i hate you.

>>34624382
Personally i blame the FBI and Gary roberts

Oh yea, and the poors.

>>34625172
>lol

>>34626585
>g20
>reliable
pick one

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>>34629243
>>34624361

10mm is a meme round unless you hunt with a pistol in which case wtf is wrong with you

a 9mm will scare off a bear or kill it, no problem at all and you can fire multiple accurate shots in the time you'd be able to make one or two accurate shots with a 10mm

I can't see a viable purpose for the round unless you're hunting, and wtf is wrong with you get a long gun or a bow

>>34629243
>>34624361

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>>34629243
>>34624361
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>>34629454
>>34629496
>>34629505

>>34625193
More like 300 FPS faster for 50% more if you're not retarded and don't buy ammo from expensive sporting goods stores.

>>34628792
>>34628867
The P40 has a rotating barrel and is the same fucking size as every other "normal" sized guns, the RIAs are 6" doublestack to 4.24 single stack commanders, and the CZ clones are marginally larger than a CZ75 out of necessity in steel frames and available in compact poly frames.

Saying nobody enjoys shooting Glocks is nearly as fucking retarded as think polymer is "there yet" when the Glock and XD take 9x25, 10mm and .460 Rowland loads all day, .357 LCRs exist and guns as a whole make extensive use of polymer.

You just wanted to have an opinion and you picked the wrong one

>>34624382
Because nobody buys it when 9x19 +p, +p+, 135gr .40, .165gr .45 acp and conversion barrels are available. People bitch about cost and recoil for .40 and .45 so having both of those issues plus blast isn't a great selling point. .356TSW was a better cartridge in every way but S&W let it die.

If 10mm, .356TSW or .357sig were 100 years old maybe they would have had a real chance but right now only 10mm has the Cult to keep it going

>>34624340
Meme.

.40 is the improvement. You don't need a heavy reinforced frame to shoot it and it's cheaper/more common.

10mm = 10x25
.40 = 10x22

They're relatively the same, only difference is lmao 3mm of case length.

>>34630488
just like .38 spl is improvment over .357 mag

>>34631950
The two are virtually indistinguishable within a 3" barrel length but one is a fair bit cheaper and offers a variety of benefits.

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>>34625923
>glock 29 is on the the least comfortable pistols i've ever fired

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>>34628867
>Of course, not to say the SIG P220 isn't huge as well. It's just so well-built and heavy it handles 10mm better than anything else out right now.

I own both a P220 10mm and Glock 20, and I can tell you that this is categorically false. The Glock handles recoil better than the Sig - it's kind of embarrassing because there is Sig is a full 13 ounces heavier (unloaded weights). The Glock chokes on "hot" Underwood ammo, whereas the P220 has yet to jam on anything I've shot through it, though, so that is a definite advantage for the Sig.

>>34632110
>The Glock chokes on "hot" Underwood ammo
Which loads?
I've never had a single issue with any Underwood in my 20.

>>34632117
180 grain TMJ, 200 grain TMJ and 180 grain XTP is what I've tried and gotten jams with. I didn't feel like continuing to run these tests at $35 per box, so I just have shot factory pressure ammo through it since then. The P220 is a recent purchase, and I'm just shooting leftover ammo through it, but the loadings that caused jams in the Glock within one magazine all functioned flawlessly in the Sig. I will say, though, that I don't really like shooting "hot" ammo through the Sig because the recoil is really exaggerated and I'm worried if the gun was really designed to withstand continued shooting of that kind of ammo.

>>34632117
Not that guy but I looked in to getting a G20 and apparently the early release of Gen 4s had problems with reliability, maybe that means something to you.

>>34632134
>180 grain TMJ, 200 grain TMJ and 180 grain XTP is what I've tried and gotten jams with
Interesting.
I've shot those loadings plenty and no jams.
Gen 4, right?
Mine is as well.
Any aftermarket parts?

>>34632145
>apparently the early release of Gen 4s
Maybe they did, but I'm going on my third Glock 20, having sold a gen 3 and gen 4 which I naively thought must have been lemons, and every single one of them has had the same issues with hot ammo.

>>34632154
>>34632156
I've tried with an aftermarket barrel and I've tried with the stock barrel in the same range session and there is no difference.

>>34632037
This is just incorect if we are talking about standard pressure .38s. What you said is true for .38 +P loads.

You could load .40 to match standard 10mm auto load, however it would not be safe as almost all pistols chambered in it are modified 9mm frames.

>>34632156
Sounds like it's you then, and not the gun.
Not trying to be a dick, just sounds like you're doing something to cause the issue.
If you're satisfied shooting expensive .40 then that's fine.
I just don't think that you've gotten 3 lemons, not that it couldn't happen though.
Tell me, when you put in the recoil spring do you "face" it?
Meaning, the metal surfaces are facing up/down and the slotted areas are to the sides?
I recall reading somewhere that guys were having issues with hotter ammo, and when they changes the spring placement the issue went away.
Might be something worth trying.

>>34632216
I can guarantee it's not me just the same way I can guarantee that you are trying to compensate for your propensity to use reddit spacing. You can Google the subject and find lots written about it. Additionally, Glock recommends only using factory pressure 10mm ammo in their guns, which doesn't include "hot" loadings.

>>34632171
Do people unironically use standard pressure .38 specials for self defense? Obviously someone does, but is that a common thing?

>>34632230
>reddit spacing

Ah so you are retarded then.

Reddit spacing is like this anyway, retard.

A simple press of the enter key once does not "reddit spacing" make, faggot.

>Learn to meme better, and git gud at 10mm, limp wrist faggot.

>>34632267
>Glocks are not reliable
>it's his fault for pointing out my inability to use paragraphs
Way to take it too personally.

>>34632110
Fucking loving that Geissele rail over here. Good choice, dude.

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>>34632286
>His glock is unreliable do to user induced malfunctions
FTFY
I was actually using paragraphs.
I'm sorry he can't read without it being a giant mess/look like a huge run on sentence.
And I'm phoneposting, so it's easier to read.

>I'm taking anything from the 4chins personally
lel, no.

>>34632333
Why are you so mad?

>>34632347
I'm perfectly calm, dude.

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>>34632352
>lying, projecting, diminishing other people's experience
>"I'm perfectly calm, dude."

While we're here, what magazine floorplate is that in OP's image and do they make it for 9/40/357 magazines?

>>34632356
>Lying
proofs?
>projecting
Oh like you're doing you mean?
>diminishing other people's experience
wat
Enjoy the overpriced .40, friend.
Dueces

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>>34632110
pistol on top left? I find it pleasing.

>>34632378
Smith and Wesson 622 with a ribbed barrel, which was only produced in limited numbers.

>>34632390
thanks! bummer its in .22 kinda was hoping it was beefier

>>34632255
Lots of people that aren't into guns but need one will buy either single stack .380 auto or .38 snub.
There are also older inherited .38s.
Some old cops carry their old service revolvers.

>>34632627
Yeah I get that now, my friend's grandpa handed him down an ancient Smith and Wesson Model 36 in .38 special standard pressure. We'd really like to fill it with real bullets but I'm not so sure if +P is a good idea.

>>34632649
If it isn't marked as +P I wouldn't do it.

>>34629483
>9mm will kill a bear

You are so fucking stupid. There's a reason why people don't carry 9mm into the woods. 10mm can put down every animal apart from an Elephant with ease.

>>34629020
>10mm does not belong on that list
They are very similar. You really don't get hydrostatic shock until you move up to 2,600fps. Pistol rounds are pistol rounds.

>>34625293
Fuckkkin SBR dat shit and BBBRBRRBRRBRBRRrapppppppppp

>>34633160
Shot placement is king. I dropped a human with one shot from a 22lr hollowpoint. It was a rifle and I got a spinal strike but I know I could do the same on a bear with FMJ.

Would I feel safe carrying it in bear country? With a few thirty round mags and full auto, sure.

Would I go hunting anything larger than a rabbit with it? Maybe.

>>34624340
its the best caliber for shooting bears, otherwise its too much recoil for a hand gun. inb4 limpwrist fagit.
already mentioned, it has expensive ammo. maybe mr pockets over here, but it's hard to git gud if you cant afford range time. and by range time, i dont mean one box every other month. You should be shooting 300-500 rounds per month. Just looking at CTD, the cheapest i saw was $37 for 50 rounds. Plus shipping. Holy shit bro, I picked up 400 rounds yesterday from walmart for $36.
so uh cost aside? Not even. Shot placement is the most important part of shooting, and 10mm has too much recoil -especially for a pocket carry gun.
tldr- get some dem holler point bullits fer yer glawk 26/19/sig938

>>34633790
Is 10mm best mm? IDK but I know if I had a few mags full of these I would be ok pretty much anywhere in the world shy of a lions den or on komodo island.

http://libertyammunition.com/product/civil-defense-10mm

10mm @ 2400 FPS
45ACP @ 2100 FPS

I want a DW Titan. Gonna have to wait for a few more purchases, though. I'd like a cheaper double stack duty size gun to share ammo with it, but I don't want another Glock and nothing else out there really grabs my attention.

>>34624340
10mm = 1 cm. Get your ass to summer school.

>>34624340
>>34624361
The issue I have with 10mm is that it requires a 45acp gun.

357sig fits in a 9mm size gun.

>>34632134
Before I purchased my G29, I emailed Underwood asking what upgrades would my glock need/benefit from if I used their ammo. They said upgrading recoil springs would improve reliability a great deal if full power loads were going to be the main food for it. So I bought a 21# spring and haven't had a single issue with Underwood ammo, 135g to 180g have all fed perfectly. Shooting weak stuff like freedom munition has caused a couple stove pipes, stock spring could be swapped back in if that was your usual ammo

>>34625389
Since 10mm is proudly known for it's inauracy? Wut

>>34633160
>There's a reason why
And that reason is people hear other people say you need whatever magnum they prefer. People carry 9mm and other service calibers into the woods all the time. When you aren't worried about defense against humans you can drop the HSTs and move to flat point fmj or wad cutters and then mag dump. Much easier for most people to practice that than to do the same with a 10mm, .357, .44 etc.

Guy stopped a bear with a single stack S&W ffs

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>>34633160
>standard glawk fanboi goes to the woods
>one glock 17 and two mags
>suddenly bear
>magdump
>magdump
>magdump
>accounting for the odd miss, anything between 40 to 50 rounds in the bear
>totally survived because not bear round /10

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>>34624340
>12.7mm is best millimeters

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>>34632134
>is what I've tried and gotten jams with.
My Glock 29 shoots everything I put in it and I've never had that happen. I shoot Buffalo Bores, Hornady's and Underwoods. So now that I've posted a 10mm now it's your turn.

>>34633857
>limp wrist
>the post

If you dont mind carrying a fuck huge and heavy piece of steel so you can actually shoot the damn roung, then yeah it's a fantastic round.

10mm revolver when

>>34633160
>10mm can put down every animal apart from an Elephant with ease.

lol

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>>34634619
>Murderapolis, Minnesota

I wanna know why the fuck we like big pistols here.

>>34633980
357 sig is to 40 s&w
9x25 dillon would be a an accurate comparison

>>34624361
I think you mean 9x25 dillon 357 sig is for girl hands

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>>34632110

I got this guy from a Kimber promotion. It's fun, but I'm considering trading it in on a P220.

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>>34624340
Glad to see there are still some men among us.

>>34632230
Are there any manufacturers that recommend using over-SAAMI spec ammo?...

My G20 gen4 cycles everything without a hiccup.

>>34636600
I've had 0 issues/failures with my 29 SF, eats everything from armscor to xtreme penetrators and hardcast ammo. Believing you need a fullsize to use this caliber reliably is a meme.

>>34625923
Maybe if you're a manlet.

>>34636434

>razer
>men

pick one

>>34636940
Best mouzpad ever, get gud.

ITT: Blood thirsty killers with dozens of kills under their belt share their personal experiences and observations shooting people with many different calibers

>>34633244
>FPS
Wrong. It's foot-pounds divided by feet of penetration.

>>34637814
git gud

>>34636615
>>34636600
>>34635284
>it never happened to me
>therefore it never happens

I honestly don't believe that any of you have ever fired hot 10mm and never had a single hangup.

>>34624340
where do I buy that pinkie grip attachment for my magazines?

>>34638435
IIRC, it's a Pearce grip intended for a different gun, maybe it was the XD, can't recall exactly. Why can't you use Google?

>>34638393
lol you're a joke, I've shot 5000 rounds+ without any issues whatsoever. Go back to your .40 s&w watered down garbage ya cuck.

>>34638650
The fact that you think it's necessary to personally attack me just proves how insecure you are in your assertions and further confirms my suspicion that you're lying.

>>34629243
>g20
>reliable
>pick one

I've shot 1000s of rounds through my 20 with no malfunctions.

Why are there so fucking few 10mm handguns?
I don't want a glock, I don't want a 1911, I don't want a fuckin sig and I don't want a CZ clone.

>>34638792
>it never happened to me
>therefore it never happens

Also,
>1000s of rounds of 10mm
No, you haven't.

>>34638660
Lolol you're ass probably bought a lemon and had all kinds of issues which is why you are here trying to poke holes in the 10mm superiority. Get out of the basement and get some light pal. Just because your shitty gun doesn't work doesn't mean all of us who have reliable 10mm's don't.

>>34638956
You don't have to read the conversation, but be prepared for people to totally dismiss your opinion when you make a post like this.

>>34638997
Right, telling me my gun isn't reliable when it hasn't been 100% only failure I had was when my girlfriends ponce ass limp wristed it :3 you make laugh. Keep trying to prove I'm lying, I could care less desu. I know what it is capable of and I believe in its reliability 100% keep enjoying your .40 s&w though. Seems like b8 to me and that you've either never shot 10mm or you bought a dud. Sucks to suck, not gonna entertain your nonsense.

>>34625923
>the pistol is designed to not explode from 10mm and that's about it,

And it still fails at that.

>>34639064
Why even type that much when I'm telling you to your face that I don't take what you say seriously?

>>34638859
>No, you haven't.
>being this butthurt at someone on 4chan

>>34638859
> Someone said it on 4Chins
> Therefore it will often happen

I haven't even shot the fucking thing, but my general rule has become to just expect the exact opposite of what I read on 4chan unless a poster drops some photographic evidence.

>>34630323
>.460 Rowland
you almost had me

>>34639166
Last time I "dumped photographic evidence" of a gun jamming that /k/ didn't believe COULD jam, I got a total of two (You)'s. Totally worth it.

>>34639205
Rather like saying the Titanic couldn't go down though, isn't it?

>>34625798
Ruger just came out with a 10mm sr1911. Like $700, so I guess kinda expensive

>>34625384
fucking brilliant question! now i'm actually wondering why not....

>>34639325
You can Google the topic and find lot of results corroborating what I have said. Examples:
http://10mm-firearms.com/10mm-semi-auto-handguns/problems-with-failures-to-feed-with-underwood-ammo-gen-4-glock-20/
https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439991
https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=907648
http://www.glockforum.net/forum/glock-talk-discussion/14414-any-issues-underwood.html
http://www.glockforum.net/forum/glock-troubleshooting-maintenance/12984-glock-20-gen4-ftf.html
http://www.glockforum.net/forum/glock-talk-discussion/13698-just-joined-glock-world-g29-slide-jamming-open.html
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/7739437/all/10mm_Glock_Problem
https://www.shootersforum.com/handguns/91095-glock-20-fte-issues.html
http://forums.outdoorsdirectory.com/showthread.php/24838-Saw-a-glock-20-jamming-today!
https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=269620

But it's all MY fault, huh. Because a few other Glock 20 owners claim that their guns have never jammed with hot ammo, which is totally credible.

>>34625384
Same reason why Europeans prefer to measure their penises in centimeters instead of inches.

>>34633790
>things that never happened

>>34634303
>people carry 9mm into the woods all the time

Because they are idiots. Anybody who hunts or all the experts in the outdoors will tell you that if you want to carry a pistol for protection in the woods you use a 10mm or above. 9mm is simply too weak for big game and predators.

>>34634436
>needs to empty two mags to stop a charging bear

10mm regularly drops a fucking bear with one or two rounds. 10mm stopping power is simply superior. 10mm cavities are 27% bigger than 9mm.

>>34635761
It can, that's why people who actually innawoods all the time carry a pistol in 10mm.

Get over it. Your wrists are weak and you can't shoot 10mm. No shame in admitting it, but for people who can actually aim and aren't weak bitches, 10mm is simply superior.

>>34638393
Ever think we aren't limp wristed faggots? I even have the stock spring in mine and have never had an issue.

>>34639524
Here we go again.

>>34624340
Well 10mm has more energy at 200 yards than a 45 does at the muzzle so you tell me Sonny Jim

>>34633857
>$37 for 50 rounds
Sig elite
180 gr fmj
27$/box of 50.

Also ammo seek.

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>>34639675
>Sig elite
Those started showing up where I live so I got some. I like them.

>>34639851
He's talking about the FMJ ammo that Sig loads.

>>34639520
It happened during a home invasion and the person is not dead they are paralyzed from the chest down.

One to the base of the neck, one hit the tip of the tweakers thumb. I spent a week in jail because I didn't make the assholes job easy.

I honestly never imagined someone so fucking dramatic and jewish/gayish until I heard that prosecutor tell the judge how, "Stone cold and emotionless" I was. Lol.

I straight up popped twice then called the cops. Said, "Someone broke in and I shot em, come pick em up. I'm at 1234 anons house".

I actually knew the person. I'll green text if anyone requests it.

>>34639475
Thanks for the leg work. The FTFs sound similar and likely from a similar problem, magazine follower issues. Of the FTEs, one guy has a ruptured case stuck in his chamber. Another appears due to the bad magazine issue.

But yes, sounds like Glock needs to redesign their magazine followers.

>>34639927
Consider this a request

>>34639924
That's a box of Sig Elite 180 grain in my picture.

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>>34640467

>>34637134
this.

They may be a trash gaymer company, but they make some damn good mousepads.

>>34635517
You mean like the blackhawk convertible, the S&W 610 and 310, a few Korths, and Clements conversions on $300 .38special GP100s.

>>34638859
10mm isn't .50 beowulf man. It isn't shit to catch a good deal on armscor or prvi now and then to stock up on

>>34639172
The Glock and XD/XDM are the only non-forged 1911s that Johnny Rowland recommends for the 460 and 960 you fagbot

>>34640634
I was wrong. I didn't notice FMJ as mine are JHP. I just saw it was Sig Elite 180 grain. I haven't seen those yet.

>>34639520
>Anybody who hunts or all the experts in the outdoors will tell you that if you want to carry a pistol for protection in the woods you use a 10mm or above. 9mm is simply too weak for big game and predators.
No, they start at .357 and go from there unless they happen to favor autos. A shitload of those people still use .45acp. And these hunters you mention are generally carrying long guns anyway, their side arms are for finishing off wounded animals or dispatching snakes. Moreover fending off large game or predators is often accomplished with a warning shot because life isn't fucking skyrim where all wildlife attacks you on sight.

>10mm regularly drops a fucking bear with one or two rounds.
Show your work

>>34628792
Beretta px4 10mm when

>>34641061
The problem is that Sig is bad at branding.
>produce premium hollow points and regular FMJ practice ammo
>call both tiers of ammo "Elite"
>consumer assumes the word is to mean anything

>>34641030
>armscor or prvi
Well, at least you're honest, even if you are trying to bust my balls. I never said that the Glock 20 has any trouble feeding factory pressure ammo. What I said is that it chokes on hot ammo or high pressure ammo, which is exclusively produced by Underwood, DoubleTap and Buffalo Bore. Of course you're not going to have any jams if you exclusively or mainly shoot Privi Partisan, Remington, Federal, Armscor, PMC, Blazer or even Hornady.

I bet most Glock 20 owners in this thread haven't shot more than 1 or 2 boxes of Underwood through their guns. You guys probably just own a 20 round box of Buffalo Bore and never shoot the stuff.

I exclusively bought Underwood FMJ's to practice with that stuff. You don't always get a jam every magazine. I'd sometimes only get one jam per box, sometimes only once every other box. If you've never shot a full 50 round box of Underwood, then you are in no position to say that your Glock 20 feeds Underwood flawlessly.

>>34635761
The sirius dog sled patrol uses Glock 20's to fend off polar bears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g9fEyRgfGE

Good enough to drop a bull elk

>>34641491
I shoot the Sig elite performance through mine exclusively, which is hotter than most, and I have had no issues

>>34641596
I'm glad that the Sig ammo came around, since it wasn't even being made when I first got into Glock 20's and it does seem to be value priced while at the same time having a good amount of velocity and being reliable, but it's still not quite as high pressure as Underwood, DoubleTap or Buffalo Bore.

>>34641491
>get 22 lbs recoil spring
>shoot anything without issue
Feels good.

>>34641700
I tried that too.

>>34641077
Not anon but these guys use it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius_Dog_Sled_Patrol
And this.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/08/dean-weingarten/alaskan-hiker-stops-charging-brown-bear-at-6-feet-with-10mm-handgun/amp/

I really want a full sized 10mm, but I don't want

>A glock
>A 1911 (or anything based off of one like a hi-power or CZ)

What are my options?

Which has better penetration, .357 magnum or 10mm? Is it even comparable?

Also what is the best 10mm 1911 for the price? I was thinking about an SR1911 because I can get one NIB for $800.
>>34641900
Sig Sauer makes a 10mm P220.

>>34641900

CZ doesn't make a 10mm, but if they did I'd buy one in a heartbeat. It'd crush all the other offerings currently on the market.

>>34642343
I thought i saw one, but i guess the Bren 10 was what I was thinking of.

>>34640634

I use those when I'm innawoods with the bears and moose. figure I'd prefer penetration to expansion if a fucking hormonal moose thinks I need a good stomping

>>34641491
>I bet most Glock 20 owners in this thread haven't shot more than 1 or 2 boxes of Underwood through their guns
Well you'd be incorrect.
I've fed my Gen 4 G20 nothing but Underwood, zero issues or malfunctions.
Mostly the 180g TMJ variety, but a more than a few boxes of 165 TMJ, as well as 155g XTP, 155g FMJ, and only a couple boxes of the 200g HC.
Haven't ventured into the 220g HC yet, but I will.

Absolutely zero malfunctions in over 1500+ rounds.
>Including out of my modded as fuck 30 round Kriss mag, although to be fair I toiled with that thing forever to get it to feed peoperly before ever taking it to the range.

>>34639927
greentext please, obviously we want info. also state what type of projectile and barrel length. CCI minimags?
did you know it was the person you knew before you had to pull the trigger?

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>>34633160
https://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2017/06/bella-twin-22-used-to-take-1953-world.html

>>34642869
bump

>>34642869
bumperino, curious

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>>34624340

10mm FTW

>>34641900
The P220 or GP40L

>>34641953
10mm and .357 are ballistic analogs with .357 edging out 10mm with maximum loads. For the same bullet weight .357 will have a better sectional density so theoretically it would punch deeper. In practice it's really just a matter of if you would prefer a revolver or auto

>>34628127
>not buying novel, cheap pistols

got my mak and my P64 for $250

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>>34641953
>.357 magnum or 10mm? Is it even comparable?
I own both and 10mm in every way.

>>34639924
I have 1500 rounds of the fmj downrange so far in 12 months. I use fmj to train with, SIG HP for personal carry and buffalo bore 180gr for woods usage. Its hard for me to tell the difference between them all now.

>>34641238
Never. Weak frame.

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>>34624340
>>34625374
>>34625383
>>34625400
>>34632110
>>34636434
>>34638708
>>34647768
>>34649828
god I hate 10mm glocks, but I hate the lack of options in the 10mm market worse

have a pleasant day

>>34642599
>>34642343

They made an experimental CZ97 in 10mm, but still aren't selling them. I hate CZ, but if they produced that, I would have no choice but to buy one.

>>34651948
I still don't get why Hi-Point doesn't just drill up their .40 a bit so it can take 10mm. Iraqvet8888 did it and it worked fine.

>>34641953
10mm can use heavier bullets than .357 Magnum

10mm also has less recoil than .357 Magnum out of an equivalently sized pistol

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I'm a fan. Dream/lottery pistol is a DW Titan.

For now, I'm greatly enjoying pic related. Just put some rubberized Talon Grips on it. Very fun and satisfying to shoot. 500 rds so far with no hiccups.

>>34628005
>cylinder gap isn't an issue
explain why bolt action took precedence over revolver rifles then

>>34650849
>god I hate 10mm glocks
Nobody cares what you think nogunz.

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What's the best way to run a G29?

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bumping with my dream gun

>>34652345
Was he using Underwood or Buffalo Bore?

>>34655635
No idea, they didn't share any of that. I assume he just took a chamber reamer for 10mm and drilled out the chamber so 10mm shells would headspace correctly, then left everything else the same. .40 and 10mm use exactly the same bullet after all, the case is just different lengths due to more / less space for powder.

>>34625302
>Glock 22
>isn't chambered in .22lr

>>34655673
More like 22mag

>>34626760
it seems that way when the order they chose to design the firearms is, to anyone external to the company at this point, arbitrary