/thg/ - treadhead general

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Armored news as per the format:

- A single BMPT has been deployed to Syria, it is a combination of a BMPT hull and BMPT-72 turret.

- Turkey is seeking bidders for its Altay tank program, the estimated value of the program is more than $10 billion.

- France showed off a the VAB replacement in the form of the Griffon multirole troop carrier during its Bastille Day parade.

- India has selected its state-owned Ordnance Factory Board to upgrade 693 BMP-2 IFVs, the value of the contract is $375. Upgrades include

- improved fire control and fitting for improved power packs and more modern ATGMs.

>>34619620
how many guys were supposed to work all those goddamn guns?

>>34620148
Three or four gunners, a driver with his two fixed guns and the commander.

>>34619620
>eight .30cal 1919 machine guns, including two fixed guns fired by the driver
the two for the driver, the two facing us, the coax. where are the other MGs?

>>34620235
Four more in sponsons, and up to two on the turret AA mounts.

>>34620308
is that more than 8?

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>>34619630

>>34620409
i like salami

>>34620409
That new side armor is weird. If it actually works in disrupting the precursor charge without disrupting the main ERA then that is a pretty impressive achievement. Any information about what its made out of?

>>34620235
>the two for the driver, the two facing us, the coax. where are the other MGs?

Two more are on the sponsons facing backwards. you can see one of them poking out in >>34619630 above the lettering on the rear side of the tank.

Wikipedia says 7 MGs, but they probably had a spare one stowed away or something in case the tank crew had to jump out to assist the infantry.

>>34620370
>>34622077
Weirdly the source I used for most of the OP post did not mention it had a coax, only the sponsons, the hull guns and the AA guns.

Is the M2A2 Bradley a tank?

>>34622466

No, it is an Infantry Fighting Vehicle.

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>>34622466
It is a troop carrier; not a tank.

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>>34622495
son you better watch your mouth here

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Any love for an old Renault?

>>34622601
Also they just switched the 5 of hearts out with a more complete tank.

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>>34622601
At the same museum.

>>34622601
Can't say I have all that much feelings about it, but at the same time it's pretty hard to deny that it's one of the most ground-breaking tank designs ever, probably with nothing but the Tank Mk1 to beat it in that regard.

>>34622077

Warthunder, yeah I know, has it model to what they know, shame the AAs aren't functional. Anyway, two fixed hull mounted so no adjustments possible, to semi turreted on the left and right sides on the front AND back, plus the co-axial. So that's 7 M1919s going bang bang bang, not including AA mounts but then someone would have to be outside. Imagine if they had these against the Japs.

Fun fact, Early Stuarts models were kinda similar to the mass MG mounts before they were removed in later models.

>>34622495
>>34622520
God I love that movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDYpRhoZqBY

>>34622466
No, Patrick

>>34622708

A car is not a tank either

>>34622702
>note the length of flame thrower and it's vulnerability
Glorious 30s, there long barrel tank guns were considered shit cause of their vulnerability to dirt and trees

>>34622714
Nor is it an instrument

>>34622940

Only if the user isn't creative enough but for our purposes, a pinging of en-bloc does not constitute as musical theatre even in mass.

>>34622438
What was the source?

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Some unsensible SPAAG to bring this back into track.

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Iraq is buying T-90A tanks.

>>34623225
Makes sense. If you plan on getting your tanks blown up, flanked, molotov'd, abandoned and rolling around with no situational awareness then you might as well use something cheaper than a fucking Abrams

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>>34619630
Is the Altay actually anything serious to consider or another T-72 bodykit?

>pic related

>>34624074
Press video shows the Karrar firing two shots, clearly missing one

>"can compete with the most modern tanks in the world"

https://youtu.be/nsgmYfvBJRY

>>34623225

Excellent choice!

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>>34619620
Thanks m8, love these threads

>>34622601
Zaloga recently did an interview on that particular tank

>>34622702
>cooling fins on the final drive

>>34623122
>unsensible
IIRC, it was concluded at one point (I think in the context of naval aviation) that virtual attrition caused by pilots being scared shitless by clouds of tracer fire was more significant than the destructive effect of AAA fire during the war.

>>34621398
Supposedly it is a protective cover for the ERA because of experiences in Syria where they get damaged from the urban setting.

>>34624074
The Altay isn't even close to being a T-72 bodykit. It's closer to being a cloned Leo 2.

i thought altay was some russian tank because https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altai_Mountains (it's spelled as altay too)

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>>34624213
Brain farts happen.

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>>34622688
It is good as a comedy, shame on anyone treating it as a documentary.

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>>34624074
The Altay is based on the K2, which is based on the Leclerc. Based on available information it is likely on par with current NATO tanks.

>>34619620
Merkava 4m best tank prove me wrong protip you can't
T. Literally IDF at a tank base right now.

>>34624325
>T. Literally IDF at a tank base right now.
Proofs nigga

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>>34624350
Can't be fucked to go outside as it's really hot and I'll get fucked by officers for not wearing a shirt.

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>tfw no ski tank

>>34624378
Tov maspik

>>34624325
Merkgunner is back. Awsome.

>>34624439
Nah I'm not him. I think he got released already.
>>34624397
Tfw shizafon

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bump for hedgecutters

>>34624151
Its a pretty cool little tank in a pretty cool little museum. I took a bunch of pictures of the entire museum but most of them turned out shitty because I'm shit at photography. Sadly the museum is going to close down in a year or two.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8WQ6C3PLMw

>that extra roof armor

>>34623079
I used http://afvdatabase.com/usa/mediumtankm2.html

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>>34627311

I saw the St Chamond the other month. Here's a pic taken from atop an M60A1.

>>34625583
>that extra roof armor

The bit flapping about from the muzzle blast? That's a rain cover.

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>>34627473
Compare the are around the crew hatches on a German Leopard 2A5

1/2

>>34622768
that's a really fucking long and slender tube, not a gun barrel

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>>34627668
with the same area on a Swede Strv122.

>>34626339
looks cool, thanks. is the history page there worth reading?

>>34628449
I thought it was well done, goes into the AFVs which never saw combat as well as the more talked about tanks, which is always good.

>>34628575
thanks. wanted to check before i wasted time on it. they call it a "brief history" but looks fukkin long to me. i'll dive into it then

Supposedly Russia is going to provide Iraq with 73 T-90S.

>>34627697
Looks like a tiny storage bin. You can tell by the locking toggles. The one on the left is not closed but not opened, while the one on the right is pad locked closed.

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>>34630493
The toggles are more likely access panels, which if you look are on the sides as well. A storage compartment would actually be a box shape and wouldn't require the cupolas to be raised and super thick hatches to be installed.

You could also not be lazy and look up the fact that Spain and Sweden have additional roof and upper glacis armor on their Leopard 2's.

>>34630635
I'd say it's a place to stash the crew weapons. It's about the right size and that's what I'd do if I didn't want to use the back bustle bins. Also those are the exact toggles used on the Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 bustle bins, I've never seen any access panel on any of the Leopards that wasn't affixed with a 19mm bolt.

I'm saying they are not access hatches because their is nothing below them other than the top of the turret, why have an access port to the armored turret top? The side hatches look like a great place to stash maps, notebooks, and other junk the CC and loader like to keep around.

The crew hatches are different than the German Leopards; They are vastly thicker which raises the effective top of the cupola. With that extra height it makes sense to convert the space in front of the raised cupola into storage bins.

The more I think about it the more I'm sure that's exactly what was done. They made a super thick crew hatch that raised everything up. They had extra space in front of the cupola so they made it into storage.

>>34630804
You need to spend less time trying to rationalize your opinion and spend some time actually reading about the Spanish and Swedish versions of the Leopard 2.

>>34630881
Feel free to offer up documentation explaining the panels.

My theory is sound; Thick hatches raised the cupola far above the turret top. The extra space was converted into handy storage bins.

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>>34630970
I am not going to spoon feed you when looking for upgraded Leopard 2 roof armor will take you 5 seconds on google.

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Guys i really like the Ha-Go i think its a pretty cute tank.

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General question:

In the event of some kind of all-out war between major nations that currently field modern MBTs, what's the situation going to be when it comes to replacing lost units?

Will they have to get old assembly lines up and running to churn out more of their respective tanks, or (like the F-22 for example) is a lot of the equipment and manufacturing stuff repurposed/dismantled after doing the production run?

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What is the easiest way to get to the Munster tank museum? I'm going to be visiting Hamburg soon.

>>34632995
The immediate solution for those countries that have done it, is reactivity on of mothballed units. For example, the US has a substantial number of M1s in dry storage and even more M60s (and a stupid amount of M113s, it's almost like they had far more divisions until relatively recently). So while new plants would be opening, the immediate solution is to pull old stocks and give units older equipment as necessary.

>>34620409
>Griffon multirole troop carrier
I get why but one is not going to make a whole world of diffrence

>>34624254
benning?

>>34631600
the VAB looks so much cooler, I know it an improvement but dam if Ii am not depressed with current generation wheeled AFV'S

>>34634923
not always true. Puma is better looking than the marder, L-ATV is much better looking than older MRAPs and up-armoured humvees. The kurganets-25 and bumerang are way less ugly than the BMP-3 and BTR-80.

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>>34634907
1-66 training in Germany back in April

>>34628761
AFVDB is fantastic.

>>34637110
was that at the APG live fire demo?

Say it's the 90s, you're a shitty little nation, you had a couple hundred ancient Shermans in a depot somewhere and have to bubbafuck them into a variant that is semi-viable on the 'modern' battlefield
What do you do?

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>>34638639

>>34638639
Copy the Israeli Super Sherman upgrade, and then see if I could mount some sort of ATGM on the top of the turret

>>34636818
>filename
So, what, for putting down striking union workers, or?

>>34639453
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZLfboCceGA