Can somebody explain the hype to me?

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>>34619313
It's more accurate, lighter, and cheaper than it's peers, which makes FALfag trips and old fudds with M1As butthurt.

A PTR is the cheapest way into a .308 semiautomatic so the hordes of poorfags here love it.

>over-engineered

>>34619313
>delayed blowback
>over-engineered

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A real mans battle rifle coming through.

>>34619330
>It's more accurate
It can be. The PTR GI is on par with competing designs, however.

>>34619313
A E S T H E T I C S

>>34619313
>>34619330
>>34619345
>>34619351
>>34619352
>>34619360
>>34619375
SAMEFAG

>>34619313
The rifle itself is fine. As for the operation of said rifle, the same cannot be said. It is absolutely awful and I wish I never bought it.

>>34619360
>1888+129
>still pretending you're better off without a free-floated barrel

Put your trip back on sakuya

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>>34619386
>posters: 8

kys

>>34619352
>A real mans battle rifle coming through.


lol, try the shittiest mass produced military weapon of the 19th and 20th centuries.

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>>34619420
>taking the bait

>>34619330
>lighter
Why lie, anon?
The HK/ptr91 has plenty of redeeming qualities already.

>>34619420
>war time guns
>fighting going on outside the building while the guns are being made
>thinking the wartime guns represent the design itself.

You're the kind of guy that thinks arisakas blow up on people.

>>34619386
'mirin the Intel cpu digits, but what makes you think that a bunch of opinions that vary from "it's the best and makes everyone else assmad" to "it turned out ok but is a fundamentally bad plan" are from the same person? Trolling would, but you wouldn't do that, right anon?

>>34619454
>You're the kind of guy that thinks arisakas blow up on people.

Nope. I do know that they are the second shittiest mass produced military weapon of the 19th and 20th centuries.

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>>34619508
Obviously trolling, but I'll take the b8

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This thread

>>34619313
This gun couldn't honestly be worse. It likes to jam, it likes to slam-fire, and it likes to double feed. The gun is exactly as your pic states OP.

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ITT: shitposting five posts in and derailing the thread completely

I prefer AR-10's, but being able to fully free-float the barrel on a G3 is breddy cool.

Battle Rifle threads reek of penny pinching and general Orthodox Jewry. PTR/G3 fags are usually the worst offenders. M1As the next.

>>34619313
>overengineered
What the fuck does that even mean
>we did TOO good of a job

>>34619407
w-what the fuck happened to this guy...?

>>34619537

Carcano killed an American president as recently as 1963. Arsikas had all their flowers ground off by 1945, and Nuggets were all dipped in shit and left sitting in warehouses until there was a generation of tards stupid enough to buy the garbage.

>>34619706
Are you 12? Over engineering is when you make a design that is more mechanically complex than it needs to be. A Rube Goldberg machine would be an extreme example.

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I have one of these fucking things. It is a springfield sar8 overstamp. It's a fucking meme. The strength needed to pull back the charging handle varies from lifting a finger easy to diamond dick hard. The firing pin assembly makes me wonder how much meth the nazi designer was on when he made it.
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>>34619351
>evolution of the StG 45, a rifle expressly designed to be cheap to make
>delayed blowback
>steel stampings
>over-engineered

>>34619706
>Terrible reading comprehension
Over-engineered in the sense of too many cooks in the kitchen/too many complex pieces, not over-engineered in the sense of being able to withstand harsh punishment beyond normal use.

>>34619717
banjos

>>34619352
>bolt action
>battle rifle
Ok bud

>>34619453
>FAL 50.00: 9.48 lb
>G3A3: 9.04 lb
>M14: Xbox

Anon don't shill for the worst battle rifles

>>34619313
It can flawlessly run any ammo you feed it and it's cheap

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>>34619508
>Arisaks
>shitty

>>34619313
you're the same motherfucker that posted the exact same thing about FALs earlier

>>34619722
whats you're point?

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>>34619387
>It is absolutely awful and I wish I never bought it

Curious as to why. Is it the charging handle, the safety placement, mag release, or recoil?
I almost got a ptr because of being a poorfag but stacked my shekels and got a l1a1 instead so whatever you say will make me feel good.
At least you can hk slap and I can't.

>>34619313
>over-engineered
>upper receiver is mostly one sheet of steel stamped and formed
>action isn't even locked, the bolt is a weight delayed by rollers

It's actually a really simple weapon. I'd sooner call the AR15 over-engineered but honestly it works perfectly so I can't even say that.

>>34619345
The cheapest way into a battle rifle that doesn't suck, rather.
The C308 is a little bit cheaper but it's also a horrible Century abortion.

>>34619390
It's more about 'lockup', HK91s, typical milspec G3s and current PTR91s are all pretty alright, but they're not really more consistently repeatable in 'lockup' than most rifles. The bolt is inline, sure, which helps, but the action is also pretty violent and the bolt just pretty much get slammed in place each time, and typical milspec rollers are a little bit sloppy (though functional), leading to very minute differences.

It's more that a roller-delayed blowback rifle built in a style similar to this can have a pretty amazing accuracy potential, see the PSG-1, it's based on a G3/HK91, but it's also pretty different in places that mater, the bolt for instance, it's set up in a way to give a much more repeatable and consistent 'lockup'.

>>34619730
I thought it was designed by spics

>>34619313
That's not an F35.

>>34619981
It was design by German Walther engineers who were employed by the Spanish.

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>>34619991
THIS

>>34619976
>PTR

>"it has violent recoil!"

This is one of the most parroted cliches in the gun world second only to "40 has snappy recoil". It's has slightly more recoil than the FAL.


To do list go this year:

>save up gbp (I'm @ 950 currently)

>purchase ptr91 a3r

>buy about 10 mags @ 5 bucks a pop

>slap on an aim point PRO

>keep it loaded with Hornady 110 grain TAP, backed up with mags of m80 to turn some cover into concealment

>laugh at .223fags

>>34619981
Sorta partially.

The STG45 was thought up as a cheaper and better alternative to the STG44 (which, let's face it, wasn't a very good rifle, and was pretty expensive). There was development of a roller locked rifle with a gas piston, but one of the researchers studied this very thoroughly because he had noticed something and it played back in his mind over and over.
Doing some of his own experiments, he came up with his own variant, the STG45(m), which had no gas piston, and wasn't locked, the rollers were set up to plain delay the bolt, and this worked (after also floating the chamber to assist extraction, as delayed blowback rifles tend to open a bit early). This was much cheaper than both the STG44 and STG45, and plans were made to start mass producing it.

But the war was pretty much over as all this happened, like basically the day they had loaded all the tooling up on a train. Since Nazis had just happened and Germany was currently occupied, no military for you, so the guy and some of his pals went elsewhere in Europe, where there was a market or arms development and sales. They ended up at CETME in Spain, where much further development happened, this is where the HK91/G3 really started to come into form.
There were lots of early G3 facsimiles developed there in Spain, one in 7.92x33mm, then some in .30 Carbine even, and one in a 7.65mm intermediate rifle cartridge that never went anywhere. 7.62x51mm NATO would basically be the cartridges they were going for in the final rifles (also 7.62x51mm CETME, which was basically just a different load)

>>34620045
My experience shooting a G3 is from shooting a friends Hk91 btw.


What do you guys think about red dots on full size battle rifles? In some ways I guess it's kind of retarded but it gets my dick hard and I need an HD rifle so whatever

>>34620045
>violent recoil
Which I didn't say. I said the action was violent, which is a bit of a different thing, and pretty undeniable considering how rough it is with brass casings unless you add a buffer.

>>34620045
>xboxhuge spacing

>>34620056
>fluted chamber

Nice write up

>>34620067
Gotcha, but a lot of people do like to say that.

>>34620074
>trite meme

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>>34620074
>>34619765

>two xbox memes in one thread

What year is it?

>>34620260
>problem
just shoot steel or don't reload nigga

>>34620260
Google "PTR91 port buffer"

Problem solved.

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>>34619742

>>34619375
It looks like shit though.

>>34622238
Diagnosis: you have shit taste sorry no cure

>>34619313

Been looking online but haven't been able to find an answer for this.

Does the HK91 carry handle Fits the PTR 91 scout carbine? I know it fits the normal PTR91s but the SC has a rail welded to it,

>>34620045
Why not get a vortex Strike Eagle instead of an aimpoint? I like red dots, but a variable optic will really let you take advantage of using .308.

On an unrelated note, has captcha been noticeabley worse for anybody recently? Having to solve several more captchas then normal, long load times, etc.

>>34622306

no it wont if it has has top welded rail

>>34622350
Just switch to the legacy captcha.

>>34619991
Mauser engineer

>>34619313
It's my service rifle.
It's heavy, when dirt or dust gets inside the barrel, it becomes really hard to pull the bolt carrier, jams a lot, has a big kick and all of it's acessories are cancer, but man... I fucking love this rifle

>>34620305
How am I supposed to shitpost about accuracy if all I shoot is steel junk?

>>34622364

Does that change the Diameter of the top? Cause I'm looking at pictures of both the Carry handle attachment and it looks like there is enough space for it I'm just worried that the Metal handguard that the SC has won't allow it to connect properly.

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>>34623295
It looks like there is enough room for it I'm just concerned about the handguard.

>>34620056
>then some in .30 Carbine even, and one in a 7.65mm intermediate rifle cartridge that never went anywhere.
That was in France Anon. CEAM MODELE 50

>>34623211
>get steel ammo
>pull bullets
>weigh powder
>come up with an average powder charge
>put powder charges back in casings
>seat bullets

Boom. Match grade steel cased ammo.

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>>34620107

not sure

>tfw i am here forever

Does the rifle actually mangle brass so you can't reload it?

It sucks, other than that it's like my ideal rifle, but reloading is a must for me

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>>34623433
The rifle ejects casings at very high speeds, usually this leads to the casing being smashed against the side of the receiver and horribly dented. You can evens see brass marks on the receivers of frequently shot guns, just behind the ejection port.

There does however exist attachments called Port Buffers, which you attach to the receiver and which will cushion the impact, saving basically all casings from being mauled by the impact.
There'll be some fluting marks along the casing from the extraction process, but those don't affect the life of casings, seemingly.

>>34623581
Funny, i always see people talking about port buffers and reloading but when people post pictures of their battle rifles I never see them.

>>34623791
you don't take dick pics with a condom on.

>>34623803
Doubt it. be honest, who actually reloads 308 run through a Poverty Tier Rifle?

>>34623822
Handloading saves money, so cheaper ammo with your cheaper rifle makes sense.

Also I wouldn't call it a poverty rifle, a Mosin Nagant is a poverty rifle.

>>34623856
The poverty mindset wont allow for the initial investment and time used for reloading.

>>34623822
The G3 is one of the best rifles in the world.

>>34623864
Its a cheap and simple stamped battle rifle made for conscript armies.

>>34623856
>>34623791
>>34620260
>being so desperately poor you reload .308 to save money

>>34623882
Near bolt action accuracy. Near AK reliability. Ease of manufacture and low price are a positive attribute not negative.

>>34623891
>Near bolt action accuracy.
Until you realize its a 3moa rifle at best.

>Near AK reliability.
Until the chamber flutes get dirty, then it really does become a bolt action.

>>34619313
It's a good rifle. Bit inaccurate for modern standards, but you could do PSG-1 thing and use asymmetrical "rollers".

>>34623891
>bolt action accuracy
Not with any typical off the shelf 'military style' model. It's decent, and can be amazing in theory, but on it's own it's just average.

>>34623915
This

>>34623902
>Until you realize its a 3moa rifle at best

I'm using shitty 50cpr 147gr milsurp, and I'm getting 1-1.5moa out of a PTR.

>>34626308
That's pretty good actually, can you take a pic of your groupings if you have any of the targets?

>>34622350
>On an unrelated note, has captcha been noticeabley worse for anybody recently? Having to solve several more captchas then normal, long load times, etc.

Yes, I have noticed the same thing recently. I had to go through 5 in one shot yesterday