AR's vs SHTF

i agree i have a love hate with them... i really wouldnt trust them for long term use...

>>34612983
>Is an AR even viable for SHTF?
yes, more so than a lot of other rifles
>AR's don't seem to do well running dry.
they run fine dry, better when lubed and they don't require much
>you'd run out of lube
you'd run out of ammo loooong before you'd run out of lube
>Are the reliablity issues of the AR system really true?
nope
> Is it worth investing in to trust it with your life and possessions to be reliable in all terrains and all weather?
yup, just buy a quality one like an LMT or BCM

>>34612983
>you'd run out of lube if you had some
I use 10W30 for AR lube. You don't need much.

>>34613020
>>34613031
What if the lube gets damaged or lost? I just use Hoppes 9 and CLP.
>>34613020
Also, you seem quite bias lmao, you're probably an AR fanboy

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>>34613031
Isn't 10w30.... motor oil?

>>34613088
>What if the lube gets damaged or lost?
You find a car, pop the hood, and tap the dipstick in the BCG and in the gas key hole. Even dirty it's fine.
>>34613091
Yes. See above. It works really well for ARs. You only have to lube the BCG, and you don't need much.

>>34612983
The time comes I need one, sir, there'll be plenty lying on the ground

>>34613088
>Also, you seem quite bias lmao, you're probably an AR fanboy
Nope. I own 4 ARs, 3 AKs, and two SCARs and I'm a card carrying SCAR fanboy. I'm sorry I couldn't confirm your own uneducated bias. Perhaps you should lurk more.

>>34613122
>I'm a card carrying SCAR fanboy
Squid, is that you?

>>34613126
I think Squid has 3.

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>>34613110
Shit I didn't know you could use motor oil as lube. I mean it makes perfect sense. I'm still fairly new to being a gun owner. So what other everyday items can you use for lube thats not specifically designed for guns?

>>34613122
That post still made you seem like a fanboy >>34613020

Lmao

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>>34613126
No, mine aren't SBR'd and I don't have IR lasers or nods either.

>>34613135
explain

>>34613130
For gun slides on things like glocks and polymer guns I'll use Mobil one Synthetic grease, or motor oil if I need to. Those are pretty much what I stick with.

>>34613130
white lithium grease

chrome lined barrel, nickel plated bcg
it'll last longer than you

>>34612983
If you get into so many gunfights that you run out of lube, you're probably dead.

Like let's be real here. You probably aren't gonna get through 500 rounds before you take a bullet. You aren't superman. You aren't any more lucky than the guys you're shooting at.

>>34613159
pretty much, they will take your AR and ammo
take off the best bits from your AR to either swap onto theirs or to keep as spares
and you will do the same

It's probably a top choice if you are a burger.

>optimized for close to medium range
>very good accuracy:dollar ratio for a semi-auto
>low recoil
>30rd or higher capacity
>easy to clean and maintain
>reliable despite memes
>parts are plentiful so you can stock them beforehand or scavenge
>same goes for ammo
>easily swap uppers for different roles or if one goes down
>easily mount optics, lights, lasers
>basic ones are dirt cheap

>>34613166
>take off the best bits from your AR
Jokes on you, my AR is shit!

>>34613178
then they will take your BCG and springs

>>34613181
Those are shit too!

An AR is probably the best gun to have in SHTF on north america, due to its use by state and federal government. Parts and ammo will be in far greater supply than 7.62x39 or any milsurp clown caliber. And there's enough motor oil in NA to last generations. Hell you can even use vegetable oil, which can be made without refinery assets.

>>34613185
yeah but a shit springs or bcg is better than no springs or bcg

>>34613192
Jokes on them, my tube spring is a Slinky.

>>34613199
look, it doesnt matter if it is made of playdoh and stretch armstrong dolls
if your AR functions, then there are parts to be had

>>34613215
Jokes on them, my AR doesn't function!

Boltgunz4lyfe!

>>34613221
oh so you are a crazy person then

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What would be the better option, an AR-15 or an AR-10?

>>34613091
For the C6, (Fn mini) we mixed CLP with 80w90. It helps because the CLP doesn't stay where you need it when the gun gets hot, so thickening it, the gun runs like a dream.

>>34613248
AR-5

>>34613250
Huh, I bet that's all much.more affordable than buying actual gun lube too

>>34612983
Ar's are fine for shtf so long as you take the time to learn how to maintain one. Ar's are probably the most nom-armorer user friendly rifle out there.
Never hurts to have some spare parts either.
As for oil, that's obvious. All guns need oil. And as explained by others oil is not hard to come by

Watch ian do a mug test with the ad platform on mudtests on YouTube. I was amazed, I'm not even an ar guy at all

Do you think that Africans, Afghans etc bother to lubricate their AK?

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>>34613291
How's about you learn the fucking English language instead of letting autocorrect "spell" for you?
Also the "mug" tests are worthless garbage and only there for "entertainment" purposes.
Find me just one AR that has withstood this kind of abuse and is still functional.
>I'll wait.

Get a good AR and it will run fine. It's the Olympic Arms guys that will choke.

>>34613317
you do realise that Vietnam wasn't exactly a clean environment

>>34613331
you do realize that m16 performed like shit in Vietnam

>>34613317
I misspelt one work, sperg. Go be retarded somewhere else.

In shtf ARs are inferior to bolt guns that allow you to engage at farther distance and quickly disengage. It makes sense if you are part of a group who are similarly trained enough to sustain any sort of contact even for a few minutes. All you neckbeards are friendless out of shape losers and cannot into squad level tactics (you gotta have friends for that).

>>34613345
>new rifle
>performs like shit
gee I wonder why

>>34613346
>mug
>ad
There's 2, faggot.
Also "mud tests" is two words.

>>34613346
I have so much hope that you are on a higher plane of irony than this entire board.

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>>34613331
You do realize that Somali pirates "work" in an extremely caustic environment?
Yet their AK still somehow function.
>really get those almonds activated, don't it?

>>34613386
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLYLkrethQA

>>34613386
What was the purpose of using greentext for your last sentence?

>>34613135
>op asks questions about ARs
>anon answers them
>call him a fanboy because you are a nogunz or late getting an AR
>possible plot twist: you bought an IO AK47 over an AR
I don't get whats wrong with being an AR fanboy anyway. "Oh no you like your rifle you can't do that"

>>34613130
you gotta remember, guns are still metal on metal, friction, sliding, rotating, heat, and pressure.
A car has the same principles going on within it, and so does other moving machines.

Guns are not some mythical different class of entity. It's basically something that holds a small explosion and hot gases in order to propel something out one end.

>>34613248
To start? AR15. If you like the system then maybe get the 10 but theres always a variety of 308s to choose from.

>>34613461
I don't get just getting an AR and an AK and not giving a fuck?

>>34613473
>Guns are not some mythical different class of entity. It's basically something that holds a small explosion and hot gases in order to propel something out one end.
This. An internal combustion engine holds a series of small explosions to propel a vehicle. So motor oil and gun oil are optimized for fairly similar environments.

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>>34613461
HOW DARE SOMEONE LIKE THINGS I DON'T LIKE

I can't believe no one has posted the image of a destroyed AR and destroyed AK receiver laying side by side, as if to comment on one being more rugged than the other.

>>34612983
Honest question, how often do you lube your AR that a bottle of lube lasts less then your ammo stockpile?

>>34613091
Motor oil works g8 m8, my LGS owner told me that he cleans his mags with it, but that sounds weird tbqhfamalam. Shit you could probably use sesame oil and ur AR would smell like stir fry.

>>34613250
Interesting, I used straight full synthetic 5w20 on my saw when I was a saw gunner. We also use motor oil on our suppressed weapons due to higher burn off temperature. Funny how different armies make shit work.

>>34613488
What do you mean anon?

>>34613135
You sound like you are 12 years old

>>34613345
That was the ammo's fault. Learn some history fucknuts

>>34613353
>calls people delusional neckbeards
>thinks he's gonna snipe his way out of the apocalypse

>>34613311
No, but they're 100% nigger tier in intelligence.

The act of cleaning, inspecting, and lubricating is too much for them. So they sacrifice a lot of accuracy for very little in return

>>34613186
>Hell you can even use vegetable oil, which can be made without refinery assets.

Obviously you have never tried this. Vegetable oil DRIES UP over time and becomes sticky. NOT something you want in your firearm.

>>34613586
>thinks he can snipe at all
>>34613353
Just remember, you may have a bolt gun and glass that costs more than some people's car but that doesn't make a good shot. Nor bulletproof.

>>34612983
Any rifle is better than no rifle. That said, I trust my wasr most, pump shotty second, and everything else is just for when I'm desperate enough to need it.

>>34613353
>>34613625
>>34613586
More relevantly
>dipshit goes on about squad tactics
>but also goes on about how assault rifles are shit and bolts are better
>dipshit doesn't realize that for proper modern squad tactics to work, you definitely require at least one (better two) LMG if not an MMG for suppressive fire
>apparently dipshit thinks that you're supposed to do squad-based tactics with only mosins or something
What is this, '40 France? And even then, the blitz at least lugged MG34s around.

>>34613176
What parts will wear out the fastest?

>>34613706
The anon carrying the rifle.

>>34612983
Ive literally never had a malfunction after my mags broke in and i just use a basic psa build.

>>34613248
In SHTF you will be limited to 5.56 as it's far more plentiful than .308, it's also lighter, something you will want when hiking around post-America.

If you want similar range just get a longer barrel

AR-10 or FAL for the race war?

I really like the adjustable gas regulator on the FAL.

>There are people who believe that S will HTF for any extended period of time for any amount of severity that will cause you to fire your gun so much and roaming marauders that you will run out of ammo and lube.
>These people believe that WROL means that law and order will not be restored in a relatively short amount of time.

Honestly, your fantasies are asinine and you just make things harder for the people like FEMA, DHS, FBI, and local jurisdictions and agencies trying to help you alongside NGO's.

>>34613746
>FEMA DHS FBI trying to help you
More like toss you in a mass grave.

Otherwise, 10/10 good goy.

>>34613756
What on earth makes you think that these people want to hurt you and see their fellow countrymen die or suffer?

It amazes me that there are so many people who'll sit there and say that most in the military would never take orders to take arms against civilians. Yet they still believe that federal and local agencies are out to get them, imprison them, and kill them in times of crisis where the government clearly has more shit to worry about and ensuring economic continuity and community well being than rounding up people that politically challenge them.

This isn't Turkey. Do you think your local fire department and EMS would stand idle while they saw that going on? NG? Police? NGO's?

I mean maybe if you're in another country perhaps, but not in the U.S.

>>34613380
Not him but.
My dog is on a higher plane of irony than this board.

>>34613130
it's not the greatest option, but if you're in a SHTF situation you probably have much bigger problems so motor oil will work just fine.

>>34613843
>the government is your friend soldiers will never never fire on their own
Why did they do it during Waco, or Ruby Ridge?
The soldier is trained to do as he is told, to be manipulated by propaganda, to fire at anyone deemed "enemy", sad but true, and not their fault besides their choice in profession.
Do we really have a problem with sandniggers in the middle east? No it's because we continually destabilize them that they hate us in the first place.
>local fire department, police, etc
Depends on where, if you live in an ethnically homogeneous region then yeah they will be on the side of their local population most likely but any multi racial place is going to end up like Somalia.

>>34613186
>An AR is probably the best gun to have in SHTF on north america, due to its use by state and federal government. Parts and ammo will be in far greater supply than 7.62x39 or any milsurp clown caliber

This is 100% true. If you are concerned about SHTF and want a firearm, then you would be retarded to not have an AR. AR's, 9mm Glocks, and Beretta's should be at the top of the list for SHTF firearms in the US simply do to how widely available they are.

>>34613311
Afghan mujahadeen were actually known to clean their AK's with boot laces with knots dipped in motor oil and ran through their barrels

>>34613911
Does motor oil lack more than just detergents?

>>34613311
They know enough to know that no bang bang=no hijacked ship

>>34613920
>Why did they do it during Waco, or Ruby Ridge?
That's a completely different scenario. That isn't a SHTF or WROL scenario at all.

>>34613709
This. You'll probably only live for a couple days if that if you plan on going operator when SHTF. Thinking you can kill everyone with your AR15 when everyone also has AR15s is suicide.

>>34613977
It's most definitely a SHTF scenario. It's the worst kind of SHTF situation.

These two groups thought they could snub Uncle Sam and only get a slap on the wrist for it. If you snub Uncle Sam, you better be ready to play with him.

>>34613999
Idk if I'd call those situations SHTF. Maybe SHTF for whoever was inside the buildings but I think SHTF is more like nation wide distress

>>34614060
You're thinking of SHTF as WROL.
SHTF is any situation where your fecal matter has been confirmed to have hit the rotating oscillator.

>>34614060
I can't foresee a nation wide distress outside of a 9/11 type incident but that was more fear than an actual threat of violence and danger to the entire nation.

In a nation the size of the U.S., SHTF and WROL are going to be regional and more localized. That said, it's going to be on a much larger scale and affecting more than just a Waco or Ruby Ridge scenario.

>>34614071
No, you're just being obtuse and obfuscating the issue here.

You'd likely be better off without a firearm in a scenario like Waco or Ruby Ridge where was a self-induced act that triggered a violent response from LE.

Quit being a dumbass.

>>34613317
what the fuck is wrong with you

>>34614071
>fecal matter hitting the rotating oscillator
Well you're not wrong. I'm just saying, had they been SHTF title worthy it would have been larger scale. Waco I could see as SHTF but Ruby Ridge was more of just the FBI playing "pop goes the weazel" and terrorizing a widower over a megaphone

>>34613345
You do realize the m16 was hamstrings by congress in Vietnam right!

>>34614104
>l-l-listen to me g-g-guys, I-I-I'm right.
Honeybooboo, does your mom know you're on the internet?

>>34614126
>Waco I could see as SHTF but Ruby Ridge was more of just the FBI playing "pop goes the weazel" and terrorizing a widower over a megaphone

Both are against the government. I think both fit SHTF, which was meant to be a broad term to begin with. It encompasses anything where you are in serious shit and need a good exit strategy.
Without Rule of Law is much more specific. Some serious shit has to happen on a much larger scale for WROL.

>>34614140
Not an argument

>>34614157
Neither are truly SHTF.

/k/ needs to take their waco/rr blinders off.

>>34613345
>Ammo was shit
>No chrome lined barrels
>Muh futuristic self cleaning gun
Do you even know what a book is?

>>34614157
Ok I can see your point. I guess since rule of law was still in affect in the real world its more of a small scale SHTF

>>34614164
>>34614172
You're righht. It's not.
But your first comment was fucking retarded. One instance was clear case of entrapment and they murdered half the guys family and he won money over it, the other was ATF going balls deep and strafing a religious building ( with children inside) with a helicopter because Manson was fresh on peoples minds.
Both fit SHTF, and not WROL. There is no defined SHTF scenario,
it's an intentionally vague statement.
You're just being a triggered little bitch.

>>34612983
And let us not forget that a single bee can jam it so good that you'll need tools and a lot a time to put it back together in a working state.

>>34612983
No, it's not, since it's the only gun in which if the BCG jams halfway down the buffer tube it will be impossible to disassemble the gun to clear the malfunction, effectively turning it into a wiffle bat.

>>34614428
It was smashed into the locking lugs. An ak would have been just as fucked

>>34614518
>ar bcg jamming halfway down the buffer tube
>something that is literally impossible will wreck your gun guise

If your recoil spring reverses polarities and holds your bolt to the rear, your gun will be useless. Checkmate autoloaderfags.

>bolt action rifle, full sized cartridge
>double barrel shotgun, 12 gauge (pump or breach loaded)

I think these would be the most reliable, long term firearms if it was truly the post apocalypse.

>>34613353
Except a majority of your engagements are going to be realtivly close you turbotard. Its also proven fire superiority wins fuddboy.

>>34613353
>being worried about making a shot at 800 yards
>Convincing a judge and jury that you were acting in self defense and that your life was in immediate danger after shooting someone at 800 yards

Good luck with that

>>34614959
>implying there would be a judge and jury in the scenario anon is talking about

>>34614959
>killing someone from 2400ft away
>implying you care about a judge or jury

>>34614970
>implying that if you are in the U.S. you will ever be in a situation where rule of law is not restored

Look, you're going to be accountable for every shot you take during a SHTF scenario. Law and order will return and murder is still murder. If you think otherwise, you're just retarded.

>>34614980
>in shtf, kill maniacs
>police find you, ag charges you, you go to jail
>be in Chicago/Detroit/New Orleans/LA
>kill someone in broad daylight
>never get arrest
>never go to jail
>no one cares
??

>>34614993
Do you live in Chicago/Detroit/New Orleans/LA

Actually in major incidents in those cities such as Katrina and the LA riots, there were plenty of people arrested and charged with murder and other crimes after the dust had settled and the state of emergency had ended. Don't be an idiot, but I know that's not as fun as shitposting about your shtf fantasy.

We had the most basic, new, borderline experimental ARs for Borneo in the 1960s and they were excellent. This was prior to American issue. There were a few issues but broadly speaking they were very, very good.

I don't know what you plan on doing with one long term but if it's more strenuous and demanding than that then I would be very surprised.

>>34615025
:) I actually used to live in Chicago.
People were shot almost everyday and you didn't ever hear much about the shooter. Most were never charged.
It's fun to shitpost your law and order fantasy but reality is a bit different.
CSI isn't real. They can't match bullets to guns and after 48 hours, they move on to the next case because it's almost impossible to solve a case without a lead in that time.
You should research more before posting, little one. Also, this site is for 18+

>>34614980
Your fantasy is way more far fetched than someone getting away with murder in SHTF or WROL. If idiots are going innawoods, bugging out and playing operator theres gonna be a lot of lead flying and if its weeks or months before order is restored its gonna be pretty hard to determine who killed who. What agency are you aware of that is actually going to take time and effort to show up, analyze every spent case on the ground and every bullet lodged in some ass hats chest just to discover that their shooter is probably dead himself, killed in another gunfight miles away.

Get a grip dude, there won't be justice for every idiot killed during such a scenario where the law is no longer around to worry about.

>>34615384
That's absolutely retarded. A scenario where law is no longer around is never going to happen.

>>34615427
>what is WROL
Are you so sure? Only dumb people are going to be walking around with POLICE written on their vests enforcing laws if SHTF and society has a brief collapse.

Its ok to be wrong dude.

>>34615427
Because it hasn't happened consistent throughout the entirety of human civilizations.

>>34615519
>>34615579
It's not going to happen in the US in our lifetimes and you know it.

>>34615678
A few years ago, during the Obama panic, I would have agreed with you. Probably wouldn't happen.
The Trump administration is proving to be unique. The entire government is shaky as fuck from half the political sphere being on a relentless witch hunt because their cunt didn't win, the other half is so removed from administration that they get legislation passed while controlling all 3 government checks.
Anything can happen.

>>34615678
Yea because I can see 60-70 years into the future. I don't think its that wild to believe at some point it could happen. Its alright if you're scared or unprepared anon, just stay indoors.

Again its ok to be wrong.

>>34612983
>you'd run out of lube if you had some.
grease

>>34615678
Eh... I dunno
The US proved itself to be very shaky politically and now you have a ton of fringe groups vying for power, chances are it could escalate as the left REEs about trump more and the white nationalists REE over antifa

>>34613130
Crisco or any other cooking oil.

>>34613397
Newfags don't know what greentext is supposed to be used for

>>34612983
One of the dudes from Bravo Company ran an AR for like 15000 rounds without cleaning and it ran well.

ARs being unreliable is a dumb meme, just like the meme AKs can't hit a broad side of a barn at 50 yards.

In real SHTF like The Road, AR is probably your best bet because there's so many of them out there already. If something fucks off you can probably find another in someones basement or closet and replace parts etc.

>>34616313
>ARs being unreliable is a dumb meme, just like the meme AKs can't hit a broad side of a barn at 50 yards.
It's only poorfags that say this shit after wasting $500 on century quality bullshit.

SHTF doesn't last longer than a month or two and you can run even a shrubmaster for 2,000 rounds without oiling or cleaning.

Non-issue.

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>>34613386
you can't even greentext correctly
>mfw op is newfag

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>>34616460
>SHTF doesn't last longer than a month or two
that is what you wish

>>34613386
>>34613317

So if you are black pirate from a third world country who lacks the knowledge, means, or discipline to maintain your rifle, buy an AK

Ok cool got it

>>34613130
>>34613130
Literally anything. Even vegetable oil if you're desperate. It'll be terrible (not that anybody noticed) but it will work. Personally I think pure thick mineral oil is as good as it gets.

>>34616313
it comes from the initial rollout where the government tried to cheap out on the construction of a cheap rifle

unchromed and untreated barrels being eaten alive by the humidity and constant fighting, 6061 receivers that were being eaten by the sweat of the soldiers, lack of cleaning kit meaning carbon would build up and cause shitty performance, cheaped out on the buffer (literally just a spring and a flat bolt catch) which meant the bolt was bouncing back and causing the rifle to jam and the firing pin was too big causing slam fires

all of those problems have long been fixed but the reputation stuck

>>34613091
Ya, I used 5w20 back when I had funs, always worked.

>>34618562
oh I forgot about the ammo which the army also cheaped on, that caused most of the issues with the cycling and the gas throwing off the timing of the rifle
it also caused the fouling for which made the cleaning kits necessary

>>34612983

Assuming I stay hydrated I can produce about two table spoons every few hours of AR lubricant.

>>34612983
>Is an AR even viable for SHTF?
Define SHTF, are we talking full blown Mad Max SHTF, Venezuela with Bahrain mixed in style SHTF, or just a really shitty economy that makes the great depression look like good times SHTF?

>I mean you can call me a delusional fag or ehatever, but I genuinely want to know. AR's don't seem to do well running dry.
You can use graphite as lube, works great in very dusty environments or in extreme cold. You could use motor oil like other anons have suggested but for the BCG I use high temp bearing grease, everything else is CLP.

>Are the reliablity issues of the AR system really true?
If you use really shitty ammo, yeah you will have problems. I mean if you run Tula day in and day out that will gum up everything because Tula burns incredibly dirty, and because of the overall shape of the cartridge, it could get stuck in the chamber if you leave one in the chamber while it's hot and the polymer will melt to the inside of the chamber getting the cartridge stuck.

>Is it worth investing in to trust it with your life and possessions to be reliable in all terrains and all weather?
Like any other machine if you don't do regular maintenance the shit will break down, even AK's will fail if not maintained.
The real question for you OP is are you in the US or any other place in the world? If you are in the US, then go with AR, everyplace else go with an AK. The reasonign is that you can find ammo and replacement parts everywhere for the AR while not so much for the AK. If you were living in any other place in the world go with AK err day for the same reasoning as for the AR.

>>34615038
Borneo? Holy shit you must be old

>>34612983
Oil from engines works fine. You'll be dead for hundreds of years before every bottle of 10w30 is gone and the oil has leaked out of every one of the millions of cars out there.

And no, the unreliable AR shit is a myth.

If it makes you feel better, buy an AK. There's not nearly as much difference in performance between the two as autistic people on the internet want you to believe. Having a gun and being a reasonably good shot puts you ahead of most people, including the people on /k/ that buy a gun to look at, rather than to shoot.

>>34615713
Witch hunt? Dude is at best wildly corrupt, at worst, a fucking traitor. Either way, he's a fucking moron. Hillary losing has nothing to do with it.

>>34613607
Can definitely confirm on that.
If you mix it with a moly grease then it won't dry up or at least takes much longer but by itself it dries up.

>>34620004
He's not smart enough to be corrupt. If he was, there would be no probe. He's a dumbass.

>>34614089
Why do people ignore the severe threat of a global pandemic?

>>34612983
You can literally lube it with motor oil, you don't need specialty gun oil, so if you eventually run out, there you go.

I mean, really, in a long term SHTF where you're concerned about running out of oil, you should be concerned about running out of gasoline (without new production, gas will sour and be unusable in like 10 years, it will start losing efficiency after 3 months).

>>34621011
Always bugged me seeing working cars in SHTF films.
Say, what exactly happens that makes it go bad?
Also wish pure hydrogen run cars were a thing and nuclear cars.

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>>34613020
/thread

Here in burger land, 5x56 is one of the most common ammunition types, along with 12 gauge, 9mm, 45 acp, and 22lr. If you are worried about SHTF, its advised you get a weapon for each of these.

>>34613706
The buffer spring.

>>34612983
>run out of lube
>find car
>pull dip-stick
>wipe away excess oil
>apply to gun