Why does /k/ have a boner over this gun

I don't. I'd rather have an m14 no matter how supposedly worse it is.

>>34611163
Yes.

>>34611163

What's so bad about the M14?

The only thing I can think of is the big fucking exposed op rod

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>>34611280
>big gaping hole where the bolt slides back
>heavy
>loud

>>34611280
A lot of people don't like it because it's old tech, in terms of a rifle action bedded in a wooden stock, that was chosen by the Ordnance Board over the FAL and other options solely because it greased the right palms. It's also very open action with an exposed cam track and op rod like you said. It's also difficult to accurize but so is the FAL. People love to shit on it for good reason but I believe it's criticisms are really, really overstated. I find it really fun to shoot.

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>>34611137
Rhodesia

Plus it's a cool gun.

>>34611137
It's a manly firearm. Kind of sexy in a way.

It's got a neat history of slaughtering subhumans like communists and niggers.

Very ergonomic, very reliable. Adjustable gas regulator is good for race wars.

Rhodesia

>>34611137
'Cause it's fuckin' cool.

Also, they're practically goddamn indestructible. I mean, shit will (eventually) wear out, but replacing wear parts is so easy you could conceivably end up with Theseus's Battle Rifle after a while. There's a reason these things are still floating around in Africa and South America. They make AK's look flimsy by comparison.

>>34611137
It's the gun of the simple, honest Rhodesian farmer, defending his land against ill-trained Commies.

>>34611420
Nice ZOMBIE KILLA bud! super cool graphics, you did them yourself?
Got a jeep with a hazard toxic waste symbol to go with it?

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>>34611137
They're reliable
Accurate as fuck all you need is a decent trigger, and a peice of glass that can handle the violent recoil of the bolt
Served the world over during the cold war
Typically well made ala Imbel, DSA, or the rare original FN import
the sights arent as bad as people bitch about
Its not nearly as expensive as an m1a/m14 which is half of the gun the FAL is and thats putting it lightly

Above are the reasons that they are NOT popular with /k/ the following reasons are.

>some irrelevant ass nation that once existed used them
>said irrelevant ass nation fought a war where a handful of whites just so happened to be on the FAL-using side of
>people (mostly amerifats) dont know literally anything about the war period, they just want to LARP as someone who had the balls to fight a black person (even though they lost, because they fucked themselves over)
>they want to paint it some atrocious color of outdated camo, so that when they finally sell it because they maxed out mom's credit card on wolf steel case 308 and the extractor breaks you can guarantee no one will buy it.

>>34611280
>>34611419
The ordinance board was cheap.
That's why it was adopted.

Ad if it worked well, nobody'd really care too much. You'd just have a small crowd who wanted that extra little functionality the FAL offered.

But.
The FAL actually performed better; the reason the M14 was chosen was because of the ability to very cheaply convert Garand tooling for it.
Now.
What do we know about the cartridges these two guns fired?
The Garand fired 7.62x63 (30-06)
The M14 fired 7.62x51 (.308 win)

I've been wondering for years why everyone talks about the M14 beating itself to death where the Garand only has problems with overpressured ammo.

All I can think of (aside from the problems frequently cited by forum members about breaking extractors, faulty heat treatments, shitty castings being used in place of forgings, etc.) is cartridge length.

The length of .308 doesn't really give too long for a bolt to decelerate, leading to excess wear on the bolt and receiver if not properly gassed. My assumption (while admittedly not having done much research, but fuck you I'm not paid for this) is that things like gas port dimensions were kept because "fuck it, it worked for the garand, and this is just a short stroke garand in a different caliber lolsavingmoneyisgreatguize!" Which meant the same (or almost the same) speed and almost the same weight (the bolts aren't that different in size and weight) but less area to travel and slow down in.

Also, a lot of shitty craftsmanship and corners cut during the redesign.
Doesn't mean the fun ain't sexy though.

>>34611739
Get out newfag

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It's a good battle rifle

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>>34611137
i always love this gun...

>>34611788
Salty shitskin detected.

The FAL only performs marginally better than the M1A and is not particularly accurate.

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>>34612017
>Salty shitskin detected.
meh youre probably irish all the way back or a typical amerimut, if you talked to me in real life I could probably smell you before I saw you.

>The FAL only performs marginally better than the M1A and is not particularly accurate.
>M1A
>accurate at all
well your stupidity at least made me laugh

>>34612048
salty shitskin confirmed

>>M1A
>>accurate at all
Actually i was implying that neither of them were accurate but i understand your nigger brain cant handle basic reading comprehension. Im not a rhodie larper btw, i just couldnt help but notice you seem salty about the existence of white people.

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>>34612137
>salty shitskin confirmed
Yes I'm actually literally from africa
the funny thing is I would still be whiter than you.

>Im not a rhodie larper btw, i just couldnt help but notice you seem salty about the existence of white people.
>im not subhuman
>acts subhuman
mfw

>>34611963
The great thing is, the whole "reusing Garand tooling" thing was a bald-faced lie on the part of Springfield. The M14 was a clusterfuck start to finish.

>>34611137
Because of A E S T H E T I C S

>>34611137
Why do you not ?

i am looking for one are dsa any good? there is a used one for 950 are there better alternatives

>>34611137
because of its beautiful aesthetics;
because it's a decent battle rifle;
because it's a symbol of NATO/ anticomunism and it's seen as the antagonist of the AKM;
because of Rhodesia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJAsdTGX-9Y

Because it's one of the few Cold War era weapons that still sees active service in organized militaries.

>>34611137
It's accurate enough that any shooting offhand it and it will be more accurate than the shooter, it's fairly reliable, it has its selector, mag release, bolt release, and charging handle in surprisingly correct places for a gun designed in its time (the mid 50's), it has a full grip, which I personally prefer over just about anything else, Semi grip can SUCK IT, and it's not a bad shooting gun. Sure, its got its faults, but if you wanted a precision rifle, then in the FIRST place, you wouldn't be looking for a cold war legacy battle rifle unless you have access to the stuff to modify a G3 into an MSG-90. That's my take anyway.

>>34611739
Fuck off newfag

>>34613104
>>34612290
They don't even look that good though.

Fuck I want an FAL so bad but I live in NY

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>>34613363
Fuck I want guns so bad but I live in Germany
Move literally a hundred miles north and so whatever dead end job you do in New Hampshire, there's enough Walmarts there. Live free or die, and buy fuckloads of guns. You have it a lot easier than I do
>mfw I'll be working on getting that permit as soon as I move into the dorm in the new city

>>34611137
This machine kills commies

>>34613180
Aww it hurts you fee, fees?

If that's your gun you ruined it.

>>34611137
/k/ sucks its dick mostly because it removed communiggers in Rhodesia.

>FAL, G3 and M14 all weigh nearly the same with maybe a half pound difference
>Hate the M14 for being heavy
What

>>34611353
>heavy
Synthetic stock M1a
>loud
Well it's a fucking .308 nerd. They are all loud

>>34612154
You tell him, rhodie. That fucking autist.

>>34612154
Shut the fuck up nigger

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M1a is bae

>>34613515
Ant advice about moving to new Hampshire?
I live in Canada.

>>34614013
How the fuck would I know, like I said I live in Krautland
That means that I AM KRAUT in case that wasn't clear enough.

>>34613515
Are FALs banned from sporting use in Germany?

This thread seems like a good place to ask, where do I get a good FAL? What brands should I look at? I really want a SA 308

>>34614065
I have no idea. Shit's too complicated. I'll report back in a few months when I'm more wellr ead.

>>34611353
>loud
>is a battle rifle
well it's not gonna be exactly library friendly is it?

>>34614076
Wouldn't be lucky if you couldnt, because we can get them in Belgium and i know they can get them in the Netherlands and Luxemburg too.

>>34611420
fuuuuk why is that green so neon?

>>34611280
Compared to the fal? Nothing.

>>34613578
You have to be fucking baiting.

>>34611280
It's not so much the m14 but its civil counterpart the m1a.

Which is at best, as good as the other battle rifles but more expensive and at worst, shittier than every other battle rifle in every way except sites and aesthetics.

>>34611421
>manly

Be a man among men, as the old saying goes,

Can someone tell me more about rhodesia? I don't believe they taught us anything about them in school and everyone on /k/ seems to know about rhodesians and how they relate to FAL's. Can someone just sum up the rhodesian war for me ? Thanks in advance

>>34614076
Also if you want to know how to get into it the easiest thing to do is to go to a range and let them explain you everything you need to do.

>>34611788
>lost

Won every battle.

>>34611137
Just look at it

>>34614194
Seconding this, playing through MGSV ATM and for some reason but it's given me a huge interest in South Africa and the Border War

>>34614194
>>34614222
>Be white people in Africa
>Just minding your own business and farming
>Niggers start nigging
>Tell niggers to fuck off
>Niggers start bushwar
>BTFO out of niggers with FN FAL because can't get British guns after leaving British colonial rule.
>International community doesn't like that
>Get no support and country fades and turns into Zimbabwe
>Fast forward current day
>Be South African white
>Getting BTFO by niggers constantly because international community doesn't care
>Genocide reaches level 6 (niggers actually preparing for it)
>Still no attention
We are here

>>34614296
Does the War have anything to do with the popularity of SA Mercenaries, why do they have such a reputation in general? Wasn't the 80's like the golden age for that shit?

>>34614296
>>Genocide reaches level 6 (niggers actually preparing for it)
explain to me what is happening with details so I can be outraged

>>34614322
Currently in South Africa, niggers are fucking up white people left and right and the police/government doesn't give two shits. I mean murder, rape, theft, everything.
It's gotten so bad that South African niggers are attempting genocide of whites and are at the Genocide Watch level 6 of 8. Level 7 is actual full on genocide and level 8 is denying it happened aft wards.
This only has happened because gun ownership in SA is really hard to get and rusty machetes only go so far.
>>34614317
https://www.historytoday.com/paul-moorcraft/rhodesias-war-independence
keep in mind that this is revisionist history claiming when supremecy and nigger hate despite niggers living much better then than now.

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>>34611739
Shoo newfag

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>>34614194

>>34611739

is school out already?

>>34611137
It goes bang. Thats all the reason I need to like it.

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>>34614440
F

>>34612137
>>34612048
>>34612017
>>34611788
>Yfw my PTR is 1.25 MOA

G3 master Race Maggots

>>34611739
Fucking idiot loser

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>>34611420
>He bought the Voyager model

>>34612279
Sauce?

>>34614075
A what? Did you forget to type in a letter? What the fuck happened, it reads like you mixed two brands/models and fucked it up even more with a typo. Anyways whats your budget fudgepacker? Whats the most you're willing to spend to not get a piece of shit?

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I chose over aesthetics at first between the big 3 (FAL, M14/M1A, PTR91). Then I handled an old beat up real deal FN FAL in [redacted] and was surprised at how well it held up and didn't rattle at all. The DSA version is just like it. Pretty sure the complaints of low quality mostly stem from the Voyager model or the other abominations they produce. I like the standard one.

>>34614597
>1.25 MOA

I very, very, highly doubt that.

>>34614597
Yeah your totally psg hk quality rifle, you probably did that with irons too huh. Sick bro.

If a few of you guys had the time, why shouldnt I buy a PTR?

>Already AR fag
> 5.56 will do just fine out to 300 meters
>If the PTR is a 2.5-3 MOA gun, puts effective range at around 350 meters.

Basically, what I'm wondering, is if it's worth buying a larger caliber rifle if it's not going to reach out notably further than my AR.

>>34614653
By SA I meant semi auto, I know decent bolt guns cost about a grand as well anyway so I'd rather go for the semi. My budget is 1000-1500ish

>>34614715
>>If the PTR is a 2.5-3 MOA gun, puts effective range at around 350 meters.

Free float, new trigger, 155grain bullets can bring that down to around 1.5 MOA.

>>34613578
Not even the same anon, newfriend.

>>34613578
>Be on /k/
>Not knowing Rhodesian Camo on FAL
1/10 must be bait.

>>34611137
I don't. I hate it. I'd rather have an M1A.

G3 and AR-10 were better.

>>34614382
I'm a make believe Rhodesia fighter guise! Look how I painted my gun to almost become remniscent of one!

It's ugly and whoever owns that POS should feel bad. It's just as ugly as the green zombie gay-R's

>>34614844
That shit is hideous.

Just as bad as the zombie Fags. Prove me wrong.

>>34614844
I'll just play the devil's advocate here and say it's pretty damn great bait. Look at those sweet, sweet (You)'s he harvested.

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>>34614630
Check out my rhodesian ar!

Fucking hypocrite posers.

>>34615057
>>34615046
Jesus Christ we know you're baiting alright! At least try to not make it obvious next time

>>34615110
No breaks on this tackle box brah.

>>34615090
You might want to get that checked, anon

>>34614317
>Does the War have anything to do with the popularity of SA Mercenaries, why do they have such a reputation in general?
A company called Executive Outcomes was formed after the Border war and was made up almost entirely of vets. I've got a copy pasta somewhere about it.

>>34615069
but they're all low quality (you)s calling out his bait.
idk man. Feels like he's going for the cheap seats

>>34611420
Scrape off that paint and do it right. That other anon is right, it looks like shit.

>>34611788
>4moa
>accurate as fuck
Lmao

>>34615659
>4 MOA
what meme is this?
a decent FAL has been reported to get at least 1MOA using good ammo, 1.5-2 with surplus?

>>34611137
its pure sex

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>>34615692
I don't know about 1moa, but my steyr was capable of throwing down ~2-2.5 with Izzy surplus

>>34615692
That's really fucking generous. Pretty much all of the big 3 are 2-3 MOA with less being a result of modifications and good ammo. The FAL especially has several design factors working against it such as inconsistent lock-up from the tilting bolt and the front and read sight being on two separately moving pieces of the gun.

That's not to say it's a bad gun because I love it too and am in the process of building one right now, but it's certainly not a 1MOA rifle.

>>34615897
Ive seen threads on FALfiles with people showing handloads get 1MOA. I wouldn't say you could get it in normal conditions, but the rifle itself is capable. 2MOA is absolutely no problem for a well build DSA or similar.
>>34615900
>Pretty much all of the big 3 are 2-3 MOA with less being a result of modifications and good ammo
My M1A was 1.5 out of the box? Surplus is probably 2. If you're getting 3 or more, you need to clean your gun and learn to use those post correctly.

>>34615931
I'll bet they're using Steyr or custom barrels too then, 1moa with any other barrel wouldn't make sense to me

>>34615931
Post groups.

>>34614103
because its neon

>>34615940
>I find that 1.5 - 2 moa is quite easy with good surplus ammo, stg kit and Imbel or DSA receiver.

>Today I had a 5 shot 1.25" group followed by a 5 shot 2.1" group with an STG and DAG. Screws on my mount may have loosened. I'll have to loctite them and try again. (update: loctited mount and got 1.5" and 1.8" back to back 5 shot groups with DAG.)

>Closest I've come to sub moa is 6 consecutive shots in .5". But that is the best shooting of about a dozen STG's I've shot.

>I am just starting to play around with match handloads. I expect that I will be able to get 2 consecutive 5 shot groups below 1 moa. Some around here have reported sub moa with STG's and handloads. IIRC, Raspeguy was getting 0.75" groups with several STG's and handloads.

>http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=317452

My whole point is that >2MOA is pretty bad for a FAL.

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>>34611137

While front heavy like all battle rifles aside from $1,800+models it has...

Faster mag changes than all besides AR10.
>Hurr Durr, .308 no mag changes needed

Do you even 3gun bro?

Served several militaries much longer than our off again on again relationship with the m14.
>Hurr Durr, Navy coast guard, DMR, continuous service since 'nam

Yeah... Sure. Continuous service. That's a word for it.

Arguably the most reliable action of the Battle Rifles.
>Hurr Durr, got 200+ rounds through my Traitor Armory M1A, no hiccups!

Yup. I bet one time you didn't clean it, even.

Battle rifle accuracy is battle rifle accuracy, you can cry that yours gets 1moa, unless you picked up a sweet AR10, or got super lucky, no. It doesn't.

To summarize.

History,
Reliability,
Speed,
Real fuckin NATO.

How do you not get this?

Pic related, I'm getting a PTR and a FAL next.

>>34615961
All Stgs though, which isn't a detracting point really it's just a thing that happened with how different FALs were built and how they were treated. Steyr were the only ones who didn't CL their barrels and they also made by far the best ones. On top of that they never used theirs, so when steyr kits came over they were all pristine kits. Compare that to CL rifles that had been beat to shit for 20-30+ years and poorly maintained by africans or jews before coming over as kits and you get shot out barrels that wouldn't group on the broadside of a barn

>>34616001
>All Stgs though
read it again. They were also using imbel and some dsa.

>>34616011
You read again m8. STG kits with DSA or Imbel receivers.

>>34616011
The only did with an imbel is getting called out as a liar by gp so I wouldn't take that with much confidence. I have more than enough confidence a steyr will do 1.5-2 with match ammo but till I see better than that ~2-2.5moa is where I'd expect a good FAL to be

>>34616051
>http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=317452
>My other one (Imbel/DSA) I glassed 2 months ago but had the bi-pod mounted and was having "caffeinated" day so that was only 1-1/2"
>My buddy just got done building several and was pulling 1/2" three round groups out of Magtech ammo on Imbel/Coonans
both imbels on a DSA receiver and a Coonans receiver.
They get into the same argument this thread is having, and then give more examples later in the thread.
Either way, I'm correct in saying that 4MOA is ridiculous on a well built FAL, and installing a STG barrel puts you at 1/2MOA performance with good ammo.

>>34616119
>a bunch of fudds saying they got a few good groups without posting any pics and gunplumber calling them out on their shit

Yeah, getting an MOA group every now and then doesn't mean you have an MOA rifle, it just means you got lucky a few times. Consistency is key. I'm not saying that with good parts and a good bit of work you can't get an MOA capable FAL but to tout a few randos on FALfiles as the rule and not the exception isn't a good basis for your argument. 2-3 MOA is very reasonable for a battle rifle and everyone is too obsessed with that magic "muh MOA" to realize that 2-3 isn't bad at all.

>>34616119
>>34616262
The FAL's great big reciprocating op rod, piston, and bolt carrier don't lend themselves to sub-MOA accuracy. Neither does a tipping locking block. Neither does an iron sight which rattles around from side to side with 1/8" of slack if not more on 90% of FALs.

They're fun rifles but an FAL that consistently shoots better than 4-5 MOA is a keeper. I flatly do not believe stories of sub-MOA FALs, or even of consistent sub-2 MOA performance, not even with Federal Gold Medal Match or Black Hills Match.

Arizona Response Systems and DSA for a time offered FALs with heavy stainless Douglas match barrels. They weren't cheap. They stopped selling them because people bitched about paying $1600 for a 3 MOA rifle.

If ARS and DSA can't consistently get under 2 MOA with this design building the guns around Douglas barrels, I find it extremely difficult to believe that some anonymous guy's buddy Joe the Basement Gunplumber is building FALs that consistently shoot half MOA groups with chrome-lined milsurp barrels and delinked MG ammo made in a Third World country where you can die from drinking the water. Bolt guns with match-grade ammo and good glass don't always shoot under 1 MOA.

>>34616262
>Yeah, getting an MOA group every now and then doesn't mean you have an MOA rifle, it just means you got lucky a few times.
>didn't check the other threads
>didn't read the whole thread linked
(you)
>2-3 MOA is very reasonable for a battle rifle and everyone is too obsessed with that magic "muh MOA" to realize that 2-3 isn't bad at all.
My National Match Springfield was 1MOA guaranteed.
I don't see any problem building a decent FAL to reach near 1MOA.
3MOA is shit. that's 6" groupings at 200 yards.
Nothing wrong with being a cheap fudd plinking and getting 4-5MOA but actually shooting the rifles for accuracy is different.

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>>34616329
>Neither does an iron sight which rattles around from side to side with 1/8" of slack if not more on 90% of FALs.

>>34616329
>Bolt guns with match-grade ammo and good glass don't always shoot under 1 MOA.

Then spend more than $400 for the gun?
If you're budget building a gun for under 2k, then sure, you guys may be right.
But a lot of people actually spend money to get a good gun that performs well. You should at least have one.

>>34616359
There's no point, this entire thread is just gonna devolve into no-FALs either saying it has 1moa accuracy totally guiz or lmao5moa

>>34616343
Your Springfield is not a FAL. The FAL is not capable of MOA performance by virtue of how it works in the first place.

>>34616343
>national match
>1 MOA

Well no shit. I'd hope so with as much as Springfield jewed you for it.

>>34616389
> The FAL is not capable of MOA performance by virtue of how it works in the first place.
You keep saying that and you keep using shitty evidence.
What are the 2 most important factors in accuracy? Bullet quality and barrel rigidity.
150-168g match ammo out of a shorter, more rigid stg barrels have seen 1moa 3 shot groups. the sights do not affect the moa.
If you're wanting to heat up the barrel and then claim it's accuracy isn't MOA, I want you to grab a R700 and do the same thing and bring back your results.

>>34616398
>I'm poor and can't afford nice things because good jobs are hard
ftfy

>>34616434
>nice things
>springfield nm

>>34616437
>has never sniffed sulfer after hitting 1moa consistently
you truly live a sad life, anon

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>>34616450
Objectively false but whatever justifies your poor purchase

>>34616434
Kek I don't care that much that it's expensive I was just pointing out that you were comparing a specific match rifle to a normal battle rifle as if it proves your point in some way.

>>34616425
See
>>34616329
>Douglas barrel
>match ammo
>still can't break 3MOA
>this is before factoring in the rest of the action romping around in the gun
Tilting bolt cannot be 1MOA.

>>34616450
>if it's accurate then it's good
It's still an M1A
It's still Springfield
It's still overpriced
And it's still shit

>>34611963
Not really. The M14 was designed around a short stroke gas piston captured in a expansion chamber, essentially a self regulating design.
Gas port size was not as integral to the design of the M14 because of this (unless you chopped the barrel under 17 inches and kept the port in the same location affecting dwell time past acceptable limits). The piston shoved the Operating Rod Unlike the garand where the tip of the Operating Rod was the piston.

H.P. White Laboratories did independent longevity testing on the M14 and set the forged receivers longevity at or around 350,000-400,000 cycles depending on manufacturer.

The anecdoteal instances of faulty extractors and broken rifles you are finding on the internet are mostly on later M1A's built with low quality cast Taiwanese parts with bad heat treats.

H.P. White also measured the FAL receiver at 70,000-135,000 lifetime cycles. FN even rated the lifespan Cast type 3 receivers even lower.

>>34613637
Because most M14s end up getting fudded up with 5 extra pounds of Scope, railz and useless shit.

8-10 extra if you EBR it.

>not wanting to collect them all!

Your poorfag is showing /k/.

>>34616498
LRB or nothing.

>>34616799
Aren't their receivers cast?

Not trolling, i could've sworn fultons are cast as well, just more properly machined

>>34616898
fulton is cast
LRB is forged

>>34611353
>guy with a cat.
>and he's a total pussy too

>>34613869
That eye relief though

>>34615090
You're a fag, but rhodie camo is fucking disgusting. I'm conflicted.

>>34616907
Is LRB any good? I've heard people say for the money they aren't great, like they run into fitment shit you'd expect on a cheapo SA but not some custom gunsmith shop.

>>34611420
Not babyshit enough.

>>34614731
You could get a good to great version of either rifle in the nato big three for the upper end of your budget. You'll get some great stuff as far as a fal for $1,200 though you should know it's generally not advised to run 308 through these too much. 7.62x51 nato surplus is recommended unless you become a gas regulation master which so many fal owners never become.

As far as brands, it's a little complicated with fals. So many of them are kit built but a few pieces of advice are avoid enterprise, century, hesse builds or receivers. Imbel is about the best right now unless you can find an early dsa/lmt forged receiver. Kits on coonan receivers are good unless they're inch pattern. If you see something marked springfield armory it was made by imbel and they imported it. Belgium is fal home country original belgian fal gonna have a collector price tag. Nobody has customer service or support for fals except for dsa so if you buy a new sa58 which is a very good rifle you'll be taken care of which is worth a lot to a lot of people.

P.s. speaking of semi auto .308 check dsa website for their fal ammo warning.

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>>34611137
The carry handle makes you feel like it's a machine gun in WW2.

>>34617043
Don't know. I've never seen one in person. I've only shot SA M1A's.

34615090
Not the same thing. Oh no he's retarded. Wrap it up boys, lets leave the tard alone.

>>34616001
Like a dsa STG 58?
Idiot.

>>34615974
>Served several militaries much longer than our off again on again relationship with the m14.
Which is outdone by a factor of 5 or so by the G3

>>34617007
Well that was my whole point. People who do "rhodie camo" are ruining their guns in same exact way as the people who they call retarded.
Ubless your an operator and need the camoflage for the jungle, don't paint your rifle ugly colors.
The tan dark earth that comes factory is fine though.

>>34614322
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fzRSE_p1Ys

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>>34611969
>>34613180
>>34614382
>>34614443
>>34614630
This smells like a samefag to me

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>>34611739
>being this much of a summerfag

Just one more month...

>>34611421
> It's a manly firearm. Kind of sexy in a way.
Agreed.

>It's got a neat history of slaughtering subhumans like communists and niggers.
Try not to cut yourself on that edge, bro

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>>34617205
Is this a prank or are you actually this fucking retarded

>>34616992
>aimpoint
>eye relief

>>34611739
Damn that's some good bait

How do ptr91's compare to FAL's? I'm trying to decide between the two, was considering an ar-10 but I hear there isn't a lot of parts compatibility between manufacturers

>>34617358
More like Rhodie Fail

Shit is hideous bruv

>>34617553
It really comes down to person preference. I personally prefer G3 clones but FALs are really nice to as long as you have a good kit build. Personally, I'd avoid DSA since they've had several receiver spec problems lately. You could get a decent FAL from them but you can get better for the same amount of money.

Because it was used by racist apartheid regimes to kill unarmed black teenagers peacefully protesting for political representation.

>>34611420
If you want to do RLI SLR camo right then use a rag or a sock and don't go all professional air brushing at it.

Also sell that Voyager and get a proper SA58 if you're buying DSA. And ditch that gaylord picatinny rail.

>>34617358
Nice rifle. Shit paintjob.

Jesus Christ you guys suck.

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>>34611420
That's the opposite of camouflage senpai, you've made your gun look like a PT belt

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>>34611420
Fuck me running, that paint job looks like 10 pounds of smashed assholes stuffed in a 5 pound bag.

>>34617379
t. Robert Mugabe

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The Falklands was the only war in which both armies were using the FAL.
Gonna dump Falklands pics

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>>34618192
>The Falklands was the only war in which both armies were using the FAL.
>pic is l1a1

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>>34618224
>The original FAL was designed in Belgium using metric dimensions, while the components of the "inch-pattern" FALs are manufactured to a slightly modified design using British imperial units. Many sub-assemblies are interchangeable between the two types, while components of those sub-assemblies may not be compatible. Notable incompatibilities include the magazines and the butt-stock, which attach in different ways.

It's a size difference

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>>34611137
Its a cool gun that shoots a nice round and has a somewhat interesting history behind it.

>>34611963
Good guess honestly
>The length of .308 doesn't really give too long for a bolt to decelerate, leading to excess wear on the bolt and receiver if not properly gassed.
That would be the bolt carrier. It would hit the back of the reciever if the rifle was overgassed. But given the 30-06 is much longer than the .308. It should have more space to decelerate if the reciever dimensions were the same.
>My assumption (while admittedly not having done much research, but fuck you I'm not paid for this)
not an argument. We do this for free Reddit
>is that things like gas port dimensions were kept because "fuck it, it worked for the garand, and this is just a short stroke garand in a different caliber lolsavingmoneyisgreatguize!" Which meant the same (or almost the same) speed and almost the same weight (the bolts aren't that different in size and weight) but less area to travel and slow down in
.
.30 government: Maximum pressure 60,200 psi (415 MPa)
7.62x51 nato: Maximum pressure 60,191 psi (415.00 MPa)

30-06 winchester and .308 winchester have higher case pressures. Springfield makes shitty guns

>>34611280
They rapidly go out of spec, op rod is fragile/bends easily, and they lose zero really easy

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>>34618346

The action is violent and the gun is inaccurate.

>>34621321
wrong

>>34618192
>tfw no Falklands War game
I want to operate on snow with FALs

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>>34618192

What is GOAT FAL barrel length?

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>>34615900
>The FAL especially has several design factors working against it such as inconsistent lock-up from the tilting bolt and the front and read sight being on two separately moving pieces of the gun.

These sort of things are not unique to the FAL, yet people constantly shit on them for being inaccurate because of it. Lots of semi auto rifles have sights on the gas block and lots of semi auto rifles have actions not perfectly suited to consistency.

A FAL will never be modified AR accurate, because the FAL doesn't shoot pussy little .223 bullets that barely stress the gun at all. I guarantee you it will be more accurate at longer ranges than a lot of other popular semi auto military rifles, especially 30 cal ones.

>>34624449
You seem to have misunderstood me because a sight being on a gas block is not the issue. The issue is that the front sight is on the upper and the rear sight is on the lower. These pieces are able to move independently of each other. There isn't much wiggle when you have good lock up, but it's certainly a source of error.

>>34611420
AHK

>>34611788
found the floppy

>>34624449
Your final point is fucking retarded. The FAL is less accurate than the AR10, which fires the same round. Also, if gun can't handle the round it's chambered in, maybe you should get a better gun.

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FAL dump? FAL dump.

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>>34611963
If Ordinance really was cheap, they would have pulled the same trick the italians did, and converted the existing Garand stockpiles by rebarreling to 7.62 NATO, new gas block, and milling out the magwell for M14 mags, and drilling and tapping for the stripper clip guide.

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>>34625209
and my fave for last

fun fact, CSOR had a few FN C1A1's in Kandahar when I was there, with a fuckhuge 6x AGOC on it

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>>34624587
>The issue is that the front sight is on the upper and the rear sight is on the lower. These pieces are able to move independently of each other.

Do you believe these parts rest in vastly different places each time you pull the trigger? Many semi auto designs do this, too. I'd accept that as having an effect on accuracy if a FAL was made like an AK with incredibly loose tolerances.

>>34625078
>The FAL is less accurate than the AR10

Is it? Just about every AR10 is set up to BE as accurate as possible. No two are alike in any way but the basic action, and even that differs between DI and short stroke piston. If you're going to say a FAL is less accurate than an AR10, I'd ask which AR10 specifically.

>>34624345
Minimum length that still permits a bayonet is 18".

>>34611420
Proof that rhodesiaboos are autists. You are litteraly just one grade above the MLP Mauser fag.

>>34625227
I don't believe they move around a whole lot. I do believe it doesn't take a whole lot to make a difference in accuracy. It's a design flaw. I really like the FAL too but if you can't admit that it's not perfect then there's no point in arguing with you.

I'm not the other guy but I'd say most AR10s in the same price range as the current FAL market will be more accurate.

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>>34625572
What about me?

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>>34611420
Please quit bullying me.

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>>34625622
>I really like the FAL too but if you can't admit that it's not perfect then there's no point in arguing with you.

All I'm trying to say is "muh MOA" arguments mostly come from people comparing the FAL to highly accurized rifles specifically built for dead-on performance. Most/all FALs aren't built that way, they're designed to sling hard-hitting lead at ranges you can hit with irons alone and they tend to do just fine, or better if compared to shit like a typical AK.

It's like the FAL has developed this stigma of unusually low accuracy for a rifle because people just keep repeating it.

>>34625785
I never said they were particularly inaccurate. I'm the one who's been saying 2-3 MOA is perfectly reasonable for them. I have no problem with your current post.