1911 General

how good are the cheap RIAs?
I like 1911s but don't want to spend over 700 on one

>>34603689
They are garbage, get a Ruger at minimum.

>>34603661
I have that one. It's fine.

>>34603661
>/k/ommander

>>34603738
Wrong

>>34603661
I am thinking about an Auto Ordnance, but I want to see the difference between the parkerized and black versions in person before I decide. Walnut grips of course. I plan to eventually have stainless and blued 1911s to go with the GI style.

>>34603738
Ruger 1911s are the least properly fitted 1911 in existence.

They typically work, but most have very poor barrel fit and lockup, slides off center, and filled with nasty cast parts.

Big turn off for the two I had was the thumb safeties did not properly engage the sear, allowing movement of the sear with the safety engaged.

Sent one to ruger and was told it was within their specs. Nope. Would not fly with any reputable 1911 manufacturer.

I recommend Colt and Springfield based on experiences with both. I hear the ria is very good too.

>>34603976
Hasn't colt QC gone to shit?

>>34604073
No. As usual, you should look any gun over before you buy it, but I've bought 5 over the past two years and all have been awesome. Series 70 or 80, both great.

Only sold a few to fund a les Baer purchase.

If you can swing it, the rail guns are phenomenal. Superb fit and finish, accurate, soft shooting.

Honestly, if colt offered more guns with front strap checkering I would have more colts and less higher end guns.

>>34604119
Do you think the colt lightweight commander is worth the ~$200 over the Ruger?

I'm pretty much just looking for a 1911 that will run and run, but longevity is also important to me

>>34603976
they can't be worse than TISAS

>>34604073
shockingly their QC is fine. The Sig 1911's on the other hand could be a concern.

>>34604149
Yes I do.

I would stick with a 1911 in 45 though, they tend to be less finicky as far as extractor adjustment and magazines. This is where the Colt is better. Parts are much more likely to need less fitting on a Colt than anything else out there.

If you shoot allot you WILL have to learn to adjust or possibly fit an extractor.

I'm partial to steel frame full size guns as well. Aluminum frames guns can get some feed ramp damage from certain mags. Typically it's cosmetic, but I still don't like it.

>>34604212
The reason I'm after a 9 and concerned about the $200 difference is I'm a mondo poorfag in college right now, so I won't have a big shooting budget for a few years.

.45 being more pricey than 9mm, I figure I can get more training in with the latter. Also the extra round or two per magazine inspires confidence.

Does colt have a steel framed commander in 9mm?

>>34604230
They used to. Not sure if they quit making a steel frame 9 or not.

One thing I can tell you is to spend money wisely. 200 bucks seems like allot now but afterwards you won't regret it.

You get what you pay for applies here.

The Colt competition 9mm is steel frame and a fantastic buy for the price.

>>34603689
If you can't afford more than $400 for a 1911... keep saving.
Buy a used Norinco 1911a1 or used Springfield Mil-Spec. The Armscor (RIA/Citadel) use to be more affordable & worth it but don't pay current prices when it's Only a $100~ more for something decent.

Why do people pay more in gunsmith work than the value of the cheap 1911 pistol. Gets my goat when I see RIA selling for $700 cause someone had all internals replaced, Barsto barrel, match bushing, etc. It's like modding out a Kia

>>34604230
Here you go

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/25081/redirect

>>34604265
Another

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/22644/colt_competition_government_9mm_9+1_5in_ss

>>34604230
Buy a beater 1911 in 45, shoot steel case ammo for cheap. A 9mm 1911 is SA, single stack, steel frame (soft shooting) and the only mags I had success with were Springfield but your reloading all the time cause 9mm/single stack. Anything outside 45 is a gamble on reliability, buying cheaper brands increases the likelihood of problems.

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>>34604265
>>34604279
Is it much harder to conceal a full sized 1911 over a commander?

>>34603976
Retard detected

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>>34604706
Manlets that prefer IWB would go commander. Everything comes down to dress attire and a decent holster

>>34603661
>supporting Springfield

>>34604728
>Thinking any gun manufacture gives a fuck about you, your rights, or your ffl's.

Capitalism

>>34604706
No, not really. Slide/frame length isn't much of a concern unless you're wearing shorts no man should be wearing.

The rounded off grip that some have can be helpful if you're fat, but it's not essential and can make the gun somewhat awkward to shoot.

>>34604706
Not at all. Grip size is the same.

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Wew, I just picked up my first 1911 I got a great deal on a rug-
>>34603976
Oh I guess its shit.

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Ruger thumb safety. Arrow points to the sear engagement surface. This is normally filed to rest against the sear allowing no movement.

Every one of these is cast the same and dropped into the gun. May work fine, may not. Got two replacements sent from ruger. Both identical.

Ruger tech confirmed no fitting is done on the internals.

>>34604895
Shoot it. Probably fine. I've just given ruger two chances on 1911s and both mine were junk.

Look up the cylinder and slide function test. It will show if it's set up properly.

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Slide so off center and sloppy it runs dust cover.

Slide play is fine, but this is unacceptable.

>>34604962
i dunno, im not too worried about it. i took it apart and cleaned it and oiled it. ill take it to the range next week. worst comes to worst ill drive 5 minutes down the road and lob the thing through the front window of the ruger headquarters.

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>>34603689
Not too bad I don't think. gonna take mine at shooting soon
>but i can also sell you this one :^

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>>34605003
The burr left from machining that locked the slide to the frame after 3 mags.

Ruger replaced the slide with the sloppy fit seen above.

I tried filing it down with no success. It's either a stupid hard slide or a piece of cutting tool broke off in it. I dunno.

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The sweet frame gouges when I got it back from ruger

>>34605073
Send it off to Ruger a few more times and you'll have a complimentary checkered forestrap!

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>>34604933
>>34605003
>>34605039
>>34605073
Jesus

Okay I'm just going to say it.
I'm confused as all fuck about 4 and 5 inch 1911 models. Are the 4 inchers commander models? I know the 5 are suppose to be standard. Most the time when I see a 1911 they look like a really really great copy of a colt cobra. I see one and think for the size it'd be great for conceal carry and then after inspecting it a little bit notice it's just a 380. Then I go look at a 45 and I'm like holy shit why did I want to buy something this size??

>>34605241
>a colt cobra
oh wait I drank a little too much, I might be thinking Mustangs, cobra is a revolver. Now that I think about it I'm not even sure it's a colt variant I'm thinking of.

>>34605241
>>34605241
4.25 is Commander, 5 is full size. Some commanders have a reduced grip and/or aluminum frame as well.

>>34605287
4 inch is also called commander for some reason

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Superior Chinese technology looks like dick but functions flawlessly. Other than a spring change this 15+ year old Norinco keeps on ticking

>>34605241
5 inch is govt
4.25 is commander but commander became a catchall for anything smaller than a govt but still bigger than 4inches. sub 4 is officer with 3.5 the default

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>>34603689
Yes and no. They're good guns but the metallurgy isn't there with them so heavy use has a tendency to turn them into a rattle trap. If you can, look into an auto ordnance or a ruger. I would stay away from norinco, they were good when there were no other options for a reasonably priced 1911. Now, I would sooner buy a tisas or something.

>>34603689
from a functional or beater standpoint ria is great. for a base that you are going to upgrade horrible. there will be many tiny flaws that dont effect function but add up to make it a waste of time and effort to upgrade. these flaws are acceptable and expected because the gun is cheap. shit like >>34604933 >>34605003 which he finds unacceptable are normal on an ria which is fine cause ria is 300 bucks cheaper.

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>>34606638
>norinco
>rather buy a Tisas

WHAT IN THE FUCK AM I READING

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>>34606638
Norinco is love

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>>34603926
Auto Ordnance is a fine choice.

>>34609125
Everything about that looks like shit

>>34609347
How so?

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Muh Pony

Series 80 Enhanced

>>34604149
FWIW i've had ruger 1911 and was completely happy with it. Both reliable and accurate gun.

Got rid of it due to being a mondo poor fag and now i crave the 9mm LW commander. Reviews on it are pretty good, seems to be both reliable and accurate according to just about everyone who's owned one. IMHO I'd say that rugers are the cheapest 1911s on the market that I'd actually carry without giving the handgun a detailed going over and changing some minor things. If the ruger passed a basic reliability check(300-500rnds without issue) id have no issue carrying it. Remington and RIA seem to have more lemons and general issues but neither are bad truly bad imo.

>>34604706
No. They have the same sized grip which is the part of the gun that actually needs concealing. Nobodies going to notice an extra .75" of barrel(and i say this being a skinny jeans fag). That being said sometimes a longer barrel may poke you while sitting down.

>>34605241
5" is gov or stnadard length. 4.25" is commander. some manufacturers(kimber, springfield) complicate this by making 4.2" guns

>>34609359
not him but-

>slide engraving
>trigger
>front slide serrations
>grip
>general photo quality

gross

>>34609606
Oh, so you're a GI kind of guy. Got it.

>>34609696
No, no, honestly im a matte stainless commander length in 9mm with a bobtail kind of guy myself. Less markings is better.

>>34609907
Well, there's only one marking, so.

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Series 80 with Harrison sights and front dovetailed.

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A hemi

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>>34603926
Get parkerized for WWII fantasies, I accidentally ordered a black one and had it parkerized. Shoots great for a sub $500 1911

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Commander rail. Marked government.

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Mono heavy

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SRP

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Main piece, utc

>>34610064
So beautiful. Moar?

Still pissed the WC service plus mags are impossible to find now. Were cheap and awesome

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/thread

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>>34608340
Norincos are hot dogshit that look like they were made by a 10 year old chinese kid. Fitting is sloppy, finish is awful, small parts are cast potmetal junk. They were only good when it was a norinco or drop a laughable amount of money for the most basic of 1911s from any other manufacturer making them.
>>34608340
Modern manufactured turk shit is better than cheaply made chinese junk.
Sorry if that hurts the feelings of everyone with a norinco, get a better gun, it shouldn't be hard to find one.
>>34609125
One of the best affordable 1911s out there right now.

>>34611394
Donkey dicks, the older preban Norinco had hardly any cast parts. It's forged frame/slide and milled parts. Favorite for a custom build for many a shooter.
Then there are the Turkish Norincos... dont piss on my feels

>>34603661
first time buyer here
I read the sticky but I can't help myself

currently living in a apt. for the next 6 months and I heard apparently mara folks like to roam around the winter time here for god knows what reason


to make a long story short I want to defend my small two bedroom apt but in style and I absolutely love the 1911 despite never shooting one personally , Its just something about the style , history and overall feel of the gun

so from what I understand is anything less than 600 is meh to okay while 700 and above are good to great?

>>34611629
forgot to mention I live in vegas

>>34611629
An RIA is within your price point and they're pretty good, even though /k/ will meme you for it

>>34611629
If set on a Armscor go Citadel. Better fit/finish in my experience over RIA

>>34611659
>>34611681
thanks for the advice

is there a specific 1911 I should keep a eye on assuming I get myself situated aka a /k/ "universal" favorite

>>34611721
Nah, just whichever one appeals to you the most tbhfam
>and if you want i'll sell you my ria officer .45 for the cheap :^

>>34611629
get a springfield or a thompson

>>34611734
nah I want to make my first count and not repeat my friend's mistake
>bought a mosin nagant for $99 and some crates of ammo
>for home defense

>>34611851
No problem mate

You'll love a good 1911 tho, buttery smooth in all aspects and a nice steel frame are 10/10

>>34611851
>nah I want to make my first count and not repeat my friend's mistake
then dont buy a fucking 1911
or at the bare minimum dont buy a cheap 1911

Anyone worked with a metro arms or an ATI?

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my discontinued springfield "GI"

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>first gun I ever fired was a Llama Arms 9mm with firework-tier reloads
>fucking loved the way it shot, even if I was shit
>now I sort of lust for a 9mm 1911
I feel so blasphemous.

Do they make one piece mainspring housings that fill in the beavertail area? I don't want a grip safety.

>>34603689
Cimarron makes nice 1911s. I've had people who own much more expensive ones look at mine and say they were very impressed by the quality for the price.

http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/1911-semi-automatic-45-acp-5-barrel-parkerized.html

Personally I'd go with the high-luster blue finish though.

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I like my TRP but im considering upgrading to wilson. Any suggestions for a good tactical model from them? Id like night sights, a rail, and preferably a full length guide rod
>Pic is pretty much my entire reasoning

>>34612988
I forget the model name, but the one with the flanged barrel. Has recoil like a 9mm.

Will be picking one up when funds become available.

>>34613197
I'll have to keep an eye out. At the end of the day if I can't find exactly what I want I can just special order it that way.. They are a custom shop afterall, but still, itd be nice to see it pre packaged

>>34604895
My Ruger works just fine but for some reason it would jam every time I used the 8 round mag that it came with.

What's the best 10mm 1911 for the price? I was going to get the Ruger one because I can get it new for only $700, but is there a better option?

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>>34613616
Never heard much about the 10mm ruger but I know the new deltas are good, as are the bruin 10s.. Admittedly, however, I cannot suggest any one pistol at this moment, ive heard promising things about RIAs entry into the market though
>Tl;dr Lol I dunno. maybe its good

>>34603661
Thinking about buying a brand new Kimber 1911.
I was thinking maybe the Royal II or Raptor II.
Is it worth it? In my opinion it's expensive as fuck. But the fit and finish etc looks really good. Compared to the R1 or Ruger 1911 it's looks and feel so much better.
Is a Coonan in .357 a good alternative compared to 45 acp?
Would appreciate some advice. Since I'm completely new to handguns.

Or should I just buy a H&K mk23 instead?

>>34608340
Had both and honestly, the Norinco has the tisas on everything but weight, but it's because Norinco legitimately used scrap building steel for theirs.

>>34613995
I feel that kimber dollar to gun ratio stops being good at their cheapest model with front strap checkering.

Everything above that is just looks. You don't get better small parts or barrels by stepping up to a higher cost model.

Not a fan of the Swartz safety either. Kimber uses a firing pin stop that leaves a gap in the slide that can potentially catch on the safety plunger.

I think lots of kimber guns run just fine, and the one time I used their customer service I had a good experience.

>>34613995
>Thinking about buying a brand new Kimber 1911.
Number use to be decent, now overpriced and lots of QC issues. Buy a Colt or go semicustom

>Is a Coonan in .357 a good alternative compared to 45 acp?
No, nobody else makes it in 357 for a reason. Its a novelty gun thats overpriced. If you want 357 mag get a revolver.

>Or should I just buy a H&K mk23 instead?
If you want one go for it, could be an investment since prices keep going up. To save scratch buy a USP Tactical

>>34614074
That scrap steel is also why it's harder than production guns. Without getting into the soft/flex argument it's still decent steel.

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>>34610348

>>34613995
Kimber is pretty much "save a bit more and get something nice" tier by now unless you're buying second-hand from someone who will let you put it through its paces before buying.

Worse still, buying a Kimber means money goes to NY, and this state doesn't deserve your money.

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Something about a1's and arched msh give me a chub.

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>not carrying a fullsize with god-tier vest carry

What's the most aesthetic carry for a 1911?

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>>34615178
Shoulder holster(s) and a nice suit

>>34615178
One in either hand, no holsters.

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My series 80 I've posted before

Anyone worked with a metro arms or an ATI?

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I'm thinking about getting a 1911 that accepts 22lr as a first gun just for range shooting.
Are there any recommended models? Thinking about the Colt made by Walther, pic related.

>>34616406
Buy a dedicated 22lr pistol designed around 22 and buy a 1911 in 45. Or buy jamomatic 22lr gimmick cause you want to look cool shooting 22.

>>34616604
The Walther/Colt I posted is designed around 22lr though
I'm not planning on using a conversion kit or anything like that
I don't care about looking cool, I want something I can (relatively easily) customize.

>>34616629
Glock is legos if want easy customization. Then buy a advantage arms conversion

>>34616648
The Glocks I've shot feel like they're made of literal plastic Legos.
I'm not a fan of Glock at all.

>>34616629
>The Walther/Colt I posted is designed around 22lr though
no its not its a pile of crap whos main purpose is looking like a 1911
theres a difference between make a 22lr and make something look like X and be chambered in 22 as an afterthought.

>>34616666
Go buy the Walther then since they make so many 1911s. Again if you want a 22 find a different pistol. Get a SA Mil-Spec and add parts to fulfil your fantastical wishes.

new-fag to 1911's. whats a good American classic looking fullsize 1911?
it just has to look american

>>34617016
>>34616812
It's like you are basically trying to tell me that I shouldn't want what I want, which is fine if that's your opinion but isn't helpful in answering my original question.

>>34617025
You don't get anymore classic american in a 1911 than a series 70 colt.

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>>34617213
thanks! it looks exactly like what i was imagining

>>34617244
That's the first picture I've seen that comes close to showing how nice colts brushed stainless finish looks

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Home built on an alloy frame.
I love her.

How do you guys rate the Auto Ordnance 1911's? I got one as my first pistol and I've had issues with it giving me FTF's. I have Mec-Gar, Springfield and Wilson Combat magazines. I tried getting an 18.5# spring and I still have the issue. I don't think it's limpwristing either because I let the RO shoot it too. He had the same issue.

>>34619126
How exactly does it jam up? Does the round get out of the magazine?

Never shot an AO before, but maybe I can help.

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>>34619164
The round does exit the magazine. It seems to be going in nose up. Could it be an issue of break-in? I only have like 250 rounds through the gun.

>>34619241
I'd bet on it being the extractor hook. Take the slide off and try to fit an empty case up into the extractor. Ideally the extractor hook would lightly hold the case with it's springyness, but still let the case slide under the hook relatively easily.

>>34619281
It was pretty hard to get the round under the extractor. I wanted to chalk that up to being new with pistols but maybe I do need a new extractor. Is it worth it to spring for a Wilson one?

>>34604761
then what would be the best pistol to buy?

>>34619298
idk. I bought one of the cheaper ones and reshaped it to my liking. I'll get a pic in a second.

Anybody know of a good commander length 9mm? Been thinking the ruger LW commander was probably my best bet for something that wasn't dan wesson level in price. Any alternatives or opinions on it? I know RIA makes some 9mm models but not sure if i can trust those

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>>34619298
I ground off the chunks along the middle of the shafts because they limited movement and shaped the chunk just behind the hook so it could move inward enough to provide good tension but not too much that it would block anything.

>>34619126
Mine's great

>>34615277
*tips*

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Man I miss my 9mm CCO. That was a great pistol.

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>>34620134

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what's the general consensus on Remingtons

>>34620506
Better QC than most of their stuff, but still trash and not worth the money.

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>>34610027
>>34610134
>>34610199
>>34610200
Wait, are these all owned by the same person?

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>>34603661
My range officer operator is far and away my favorite gun. Over my gucci AR. I carry it as my duty weapon, and I'm never going to let it go.

>>34622401
>never gonna run around or desert you plays in the background

>>34604706
Get a shoulder holster and you can conceal anything

>>34622559
Nope. It will never let me down. I trust it more than I trust the vast majority of people.

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>>34621174
Not the srp

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I really have my heart set on getting a remington r1 ($650), please someone tell me it isnt shit.

>>34623341
>>34620506 here, it's treated me well so far, the only issue is that it gets a little finicky chambering hollow points but that could just be an isssue with the ammo or not being broken in yet

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What company makes 1911 mags out of durable fucking metal. The four I have all have cracked at the top portion toward the rear of the mag.

>>34623377
Wilson combat is the gold standard.

>>34623341
after a break-in period of 200-300 rounds, mine's been completely reliable. If you're able to, just check to make sure there's not any wobble in the slide.

>>34603661
PHILLIPINO 1911s ARE THE MOST POWERFUL GUNS IN EXISTENCE

>>34623436
Can you link me a good video or a detailed list of things i should check for when buying a brand new one?

>>34623603
Not him but here is what I look for

Rack slide, push down on barrel hood. Should have little to no movement.

Slide play is fine. Make sure it is fairly centered and not rubbing frame.

Thumb safety should have a good positive on/off click. No mush.

Trigger: pretravel is fine and good in most cases. Should be fairly crisp and not excessively heavy. Heavy and crisp is better than light and mushy.

Learn the cylinder and slide function test. Easy to perform and will tell you if everything is functioning properly.

>>34612211
My first pistol was an ati 1911. Even though I've bought much better guns over the years, it's easily still my favorite. Silky smooth blued finish, in 800+ rounds I've never had a jam, misfire, or return to battery failure. It's all looseygoosey and feels like a seasoned pistol, I'll shoot it till it can't be shot anymore. Definitely a cut above r.i.a

>>34623391
muh wallet

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Here is a link to articles by John Travis, also known as 1911tuner.

You recommend everyone interested in 191s read them. Good information on 1911 function and malfunction solutions.

http://rangehot.com/author/1911tuner/

>>34623660
Buy once cry once.

>>34619613
I'll have to take a look at my extractor. Only thing is I don't have any of those tools because I live in a shitty apartment. I'm also going to look into aftermarket ones.

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Where can i find a compensator that's attached to a barrel? Gov sized?

>>34623688
Be men and cry never you fucking pansies.

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>>34623566
> Five (5) Japanese Pesos have been deposited into your account

>>34623715
You could get by with only small files and a vice. That's basically all I used.

Imo I wouldn't bother with those expensive internal spring extractors. They're just not needed.

>>34623635
Check for side to side slop between the barrel and slide when it's in battery as well.

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Just bought Pic related out the door for $350. Came with the grips and mag and in a Llama hard case. How did I do? I have two Llamas that I love so any hate towards just being a Llama will be disregarded...

>inb4 picture is sideways

>>34624787
Looks pretty nice. I like that style of sights.

Where are lamas made?

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>>34624822
White dot sights I guess? Theyre pretty plain jane but seem to line up quickly.

Llamas are made in spain iirc

>>34625050
Your front sight appears to be missing, Mr. ATFman.

>>34623377
Wilson Combat, Tripp, Chip M.

>>34625050
Its there. Just out of focus

http://www.browning.com/products/firearms/pistols/1911-380.html

Do I buy it?

Just held one and it's the most comfortable thing I've ever held, wish it was in 9mm but oh well less recoil is fine

Either this or a Sig P938