Shotgun General

Bead.
Because it's a shotgun.

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Muh shockwave signing in

I'm trying an RMR on my Versa Max, but I think bead or fibre optic is the most versatile. Fitment is far more important.

I preferred beads until I got a really good ghost ring. I still like bead for sporting but security models just feel better with a high visibility sight. The most annoying thing with fibers is color fade and replacing the wire.
I also used standard stocks for ages and finally tried a pistol stock. Regular is probably still better but I didn't like the way the 870 fit me anymore.

>>34597558
I would prefer a ghost ring for use with slugs.
went with a red dot instead as It ended up being cheaper than trying to install aftermarket irons.
I cant make up my mind if i like it though.
I like the simplicity of a bead, but I want that longer range accuracy.

>>34597925
Isn't a red dot kind of the best of both worlds?

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>when you kind of want to get a shockwave but don't want your money to be wasted once the ATF inevitably shits on them

>>34598064
needs batteries, bulky, shotguns arent precise enough to take advantage of it, dot is high over the bore.

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>>34597612
Do you happen to know the legalities of a shockwave with an ar pistol brace? Or anyone else can chime in. This is my fetish.

>>34598133
its a shotgun it has real recoil. bullshit like that "works" on 556 or 9mm but its a shotgun.

>>34598167
You don't understand the armbrace.

>>34598196
sure your actually going to strap it to your arm riigggggght

>>34598244
I dont get it, are you the same guy? Because no, you fucking idiot. Nobody buys a sig brace or any other brace to strap it to their fucking arm.

anyone make better frame pins for the KSG?

What's a good way to carry your shells around? I'm thinking camping/backpacking without having to dig through my pack to reload.

>>34599184
could get one of those slings with the shell holders. or if you have MOLLEE on your backpack you might be able just put the shells in each loop

>>34599214
>could get one of those slings with the shell holders.
never do this. they are fucking horrible. the last thing you want is pounds of lead swinging around. they ruin the handling of a gun.

ithaca 12 gauge-300 dollars

was this a missed opprutunity?

>>34599184
speed loaders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXkyEbrqNGw

>>34599264
depends on the guns condition. if it was your average used rack gun you missed nothing and that deal will come again.

>>34599184
They make shotshell pouches for belts anon.
Sidesaddles.

Bandoleers (Gay)
Shotshell slings (less gay but annoying)

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Anybody ever try these? I can't tell if they're a gimmick or a decent idea. I wonder if they fit in AK mag pouches...

Can anyone recommend a shotgun? I love the M4 but $1800 is too much for 5 round capacity, and mossberg seem like good bang for the buck but aren't sexy. Anyone own an FN? SLP and TPS look sweet but I never see them in stores.

>>34599812
Get a Maverick 88 and buy more shells

>>34597558
Bead. With ghost rings I always feel like I have to try harder to line up my shots

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>>34599184
>Carrying your own ammo
What are you poor?
Have your manservant carry it, along with your second shotgun and sinclair loadmaster.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl9Vdtm0Qvk

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>>34600417
Indubitably!

>tfw my friend cucked himself out of a Defender with a serial sticker from Avoyelles Correctional Center for $225

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Postin' my shotguns.
1/4

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2/4
Prospero Donadio

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3/4

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A very early Auto 5.
4/4

>>34598084
It's not a new concept, just the first time it's seen widespread mass production. Worst case scenario they'll make it an NFA item and either give you a trade in value for it or offer a free tax stamp to cover it.

>>34599743
I have one, it's sorta cool and fits in double AK magazine pouches. Ask away.

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Forgot one. Just need a surefire forend and Knight's Armament rail to make a replica of the MGS4 M870 custom. 5/4

Anyone have an opinion on mossburg 930?

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>berg

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>>34598133
Perfectly legal.

>>34600947
I just have one of those Strike Hard AK rigs, so single-mag only. Damn. I guess I could just clip them into the big pouch or on the molle in front of the pouches and use the actual mag pouches for... Snacks?

>>34601028
...Please tell me you've patterned that thing and have pics

>>34601030
It's got clips for both belt and molle use so you can really finagle it. Have you considered investing in a shotgun card system?

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>>34601044
It's just a super shorty barrel, same as one of them.

>>34599812
Beretta 1301 Comp

>>34601044
Barrel length (ideally) doesn't effect spread so you can make assumptions based on the performance of the full size models.

What exactly is the difference between target loads and game loads for dove. It seems like both loads are the same

>>34601058
I thought about it, but that ammopal thing looks like it might be better unless it either warps shells (like I've heard Saiga mags do sometimes) or I can just stick cards into my AK mag pouches and save money that way.

>>34601314
https://youtu.be/quQUjYYwgiU?t=3m
Skip to 3:00

The cool thing about card systems is that they can indeed be woven into an existing magazine carrier system with a little ingenuity. This is a manufactured one but you can take some easy cues here and use paracord to hold the cards to the rig. You can either hold them captive on the rig with velcro or you can use them loose in a pouch before slapping it on the side of your gun to keep the shells closer on hand. The AmmoPAL doesn't warp shells from what I've seen due to the rocking follower and overall different design. You can also alternate shell direction which increases capacity by two rounds and would nullify the issue of crushed shells since you would no longer have brass rim on brass. S'little bulky though, but rather lightweight.

>>34597558
Never used ghost rings. All of my shotguns have beads except the VEPR which has a T2.

>>34597629
How does the RMR work for you? Considering getting one for the VEPR instead of wasting a T2 on it.

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Since remington qc has gone out the window, should I get a Maverick 88 since it is basically the 500, or try to find find an Ithaca riot gun which I am insanely attracted to.

>>34602154
skip the 88 unless you are poor. buy a 500, if you are considering an ithaca you can afford a 500. if you really want an ithaca go search gunstores till you find one or give up and buy a mossberg.

>>34602154
I don't care for Ithaca 37s because they eject and feed from the same hole which has its quirks. The Maverick 88 is for poorfags, go for the real 500 series guns unless you want to spend the money saved on getting aftermarket parts.

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>>34597612
i want one is it a meme

>>34597558

bead. better for tracking targets, and even for more "aimed" shots, its pretty easy to point shoot anything inside of 50 yards anyway by just looking down the barrel and shooting instinctively, like you would with a longbow

What is the most time tested durable pump action shotgun?

>>34601443
It's been fine so far, other than the fact that I have to adjust to actually looking at my sight rather than pointing like I do with clays. It's held zero fine through ~400 rounds of 2 3/4 #7.5 shot and ~100 rounds of 00 buck. I say go with a compact reflex sight like the RMR for the bigger dot.

>>34597558
I have a ghost ring on my 590A1 and I can still shoot skeet pretty well with it. Gonna try and go duck hunting with it this year

>>34597558
I want a saiGA 12
Can somone point me in the right direction for a good deal?

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red dot because shooting slugs at 200 yards with a bead sucks

>>34598113
>needs batteries
once a year at most
>bulky
get a small red dot
>shotguns arent precise enough to take advantage of it
if they're precise enough for ghost rings/irons when shooting slugs they're precise enough for a red dot
>dot is high over the bore
get a low profile red dot

Most smoothbore 12 gauge shotguns work flawlessly at 100 yards with slugs.

If you haven't shot slugs at 100 yards yet, you are wrong.

Can we get magpul shotgun videos in here yet? Slug changeovers make shotguns as effective as most rifles.

>>34601299
Read the shot size and weight on the boxes to find out.

>>34603057

https://youtu.be/a84BejR94PU

>>34599264
Sold a 12ga m37 featherlight for that price. Not a once in a lifetime you missed.

>>34603057
yep, I dont know why people think shotguns magically stop working past 50 yards or so. Heres hickok45 putting two slugs out of a smooth bore shotgun in the same hole at 230 yards. [spoiler]he didnt do it with a bead sight[/spoiler]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNTyCcip-ks

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>>34599184
I got one of these.
Its pretty nice.

>>34603077
The problem is that people get a shotgun with a bead sight and scream SHOTGUN IS FINE until they're blue in the face. It came that way 200 years ago so obviously technology cannot improve in that time. With a good load and proper sights you can easily hit a dinnerplate out to 200 yards but using a shotgun with a bead sight is like using a rifle with only the front post. It works only within the ranges that you really can't possibly miss at.

>>34603089
That's a better solution than a sleeve. Where can I get one?

>>34603115
Google? Literally can see the brand name moron.

>>34603121
You seem like a nice, stable individual.

>>34603115
I got mine on amazon.
It came with a free zipper coin pouch thingy.

>>34603137
Neat, thanks. Stay in place fairly well?

>>34603109

Shotguns with bead sights work flawlessly at 100 yards for slugs

You should try it.

>>34603146
not him but
>100 yards
>post you're replying to is literally talking about double that distance
im sure its possible to use a bead with slugs at 200 yards too but im going to assume it would be a lot easier with something else

>>34603145
Yeah, its way better than those elastic sleeves.
I mainly got it because it doesnt get in the way of the sling point.

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>>34597558

love me my mossberg 930, a blast to shoot.

>>34603130
Are you lost?

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>>34597558
>>>34599184
>I got one of these.
>Its pretty nice.

Feels good.

>>34603185

is it possible to thread this barrel to allow it to have chokes?

And what would it cost?

>>34603290
Don't 930s all come standard with choke systems?

>>34603306

nope, the SPX barrels kome cylinder only....but a choke would be nice....or should i just get a new barrel?

>>34601442
i like this a lot, is that a factory job or are those mods done by the owner?

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>>34598084
> I know my anterior and my posterior regions

>>34602895
Thanks anon. I think the T is wasted on a shotgun due to its expense and want to go with one of the RMRs that is on sale for it and move the T to a rifle.

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If beads are so amazing, why aren't they common on rifles?

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>>34597558
>hogue overmold stock for my 870 came today

>>34602191
>>34602188
I'm willing to spend the extra money for a 500 just everywhere I research everyone says the 500 is basically only different in the trigger group and the 88 works flawlessly. So how is it worth the extra $

>>34601028
does the mag get in the way cycling?

>>34605009
>If hammers are so great why don't we use them on screws

>>34602714
>time tested durable

870

>>34605160
People are claiming they're great for slugs. Slugs are similar to regular bullets.

How does 00 buck compare to 5.56 when it comes to pen/overpen? What about #4 buck?

>>34605123
upgrade potential
the price difference between a 500 and 88 is like 100 bucks
if you ever want to swap out forends on an 88 you have to swap the whole assembly which is 30-40 on its own without the handguard.
when you think your saving 100 bucks the 88s a great deal but if you plan to mod it in anyway all the "cheap" benefits vanish

the 88 lacks drilled and tapped holes in the receiver. with these holes you can add a rail. this is minor doesnt really matter cause rails are dumb.
the biggest difference is the 500 can come with a 2 barrel combo for 300-350ish
now the 18 inch barrel is cheap roughly 80-100 bucks but the longer barrels are 120+ new.
if you were to get the standard 18 inch barrel 88 then try to get a longer barrel later you are well over the cost of a 500.

the 18 inch barrel looks cool but for practical shooting you want a long barrel on your shotgun. with an 18-20 your shotgun is a rangetoy/closetdefender. a longer barrel lets you shoot clays/skeet and make the whole thing fun. with a short barrel you feel like a badass but wont shoot it regularly it will spend 95% of its life rusting in a closet. 5% blasting at dirt. you can shoot clays with a shorter barrel plenty of people do but as new shooter you wont enjoy it. you will borrow someone else gun and be like holy fuck why is this so easy now.

you might think well i want an hd shotgun i need the short barrel. no you dont, not when ars are so fucking cheap. unless 200 really is all you can afford and you need a gun now.

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Camo wrapped myself Mossberg 535

>>34606777
Good job, Cletus

>think I got a 1940 20 inch Winchester 97 for a steal from some old guy.
>Even gives me some story about it being a police riot gun. Probably bullshit but still kinda cool.
>Buy and take home.
>The marker on the end of the barrel rubs off.
>It's a hacked 28 incher.
>Beadsight is glued on.
Fuck me. Should I make the best of a bad situation and have a gunsmith try to cut the inside of the barrel for chokes and drill a real hole for the sight? I was not expecting this and I can't fuck it up anymore than it already is.

>>34606981

the moron of the century

I have both a heat shield and a top folding stock which severely limits my rear sight options (no room for rail) If the rear sight is small enough it can fit under the stock, what options do I have?

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>>34597558
I was offered a trench gun yesterday and couldn't buy because I'm getting married to a sexy accountant and have to save for wedding shit. That date can't arrive fast enough.

>>34607136
buy it for the wedding you can mount it somewhere aesthetic for a shotgun wedding.

>>34606777
Wow, that's disgusting

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>>34606710
I really appreciate the time you took to reply this. I suppose the 500 seems the better option, do you know if there are any wood foregrips for the 500 like you would see on an 870, they just look so great compared to the regular Mossberg foregrips which are kinda big and fugly.

pic related

>>34607471
>>34606710


another anon here

to expand, the 88 has made in mexico parts to save on labor.

As far as changing the forend, the 88 has the action bars directly attached to a pump arm that rides the tube. The 500 uses a metal housing i believe, that the pump arm/ wood part will attach to, instead of the action bars being pinned to the hand holdy bit itself.

I found wood was more expensive than i wanted for the mossbergs but keep an eye open

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>>34607471
you are looking for a corncob forend

>>34607591
>>34607509
The 88 definitely seems like a less upgrade able version. I was planning on 18 in. barrel but full size seems better.

I guess smooth rectangle foregrips just are not in the mossberg market sadly.

>>34606777
Nice

>>34607591
>Corncob
Not if you actually want to find one.
It's called a rat tail forend.

>>34607591
Link to that wood pls

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>>34597558
bead, points naturally, fast to acquire, useful for moving targets, slugs w/ a bead are fuuun

>>34607116
a mossberg? rem? what gun

>>34603390
not him but the sights are def not factory, at least not factory parts from the last 5 yrs or so

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I love owning two ithaca. Its makes easy skeet shooting.
>I shoot one round into the dirt and eject the shells atleast 15 feet into the air
>My buddy shoots it out of the air
>He ejects his shell into the air
>I shoot it
>repeat til empty, then reload.

>>34597558
I think Regular bead is better than ghost ring but express sights are the best.

>>34600898
I need a smokeless double barre.

>>34600915
Nice choices in guns and slings.

>>34600929
Im lucky enough to have a buddy whose family has collected A5's for 3 generations. They have atleast one or two from every notable generation, version, or year.

>>34600949
nice, i wold prefer a side folder over one of those top folders

>>34603276
I hear those built in lights kinda suck.

>>34606777
ewww, honestly. I dont like it but just paint it next time. i fucking hate when someone give a gun to clean up but its been taped up. So that fucking adhesive covers the woods and metal picking up every piece of dirt.

>>34607136
Is that the gun you were offered? Fucking sweet Ithaca. I need to get another one or build from the one i have. Its already bubbaed so im worried about it.

>>34607471
>I suppose the 500 seems the better option,
you suppose wrong.

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>>34597612
>>34601028
>>34601061
get classier you skanks.

>>34609244
mossberg 500 friend

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>Want to get a sling for my 1983 made Remington 870 wingmaster
>order pic related
>the buttstock screw is too big

Please help me, i just want hunt birds without my arms getting too tired

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>>34609934
what do you mean, screw is too big? Its a wood screw right?

if its really too big, drill the whole out a little.

or just buy a Mosin Nagant sling and use it like i use mine.

also, how weak are you? Ive never used a sling for dog hunting or bird hunting. I just carry the gun in my hand all day.

send a picture.

>>34609244
Remington all day everyday. Unless your talking new production. Then i wold buy a benelli. I enjoy them. Ive seen to many mossbergs break in the field..

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>>34609979
Here is a pic of the shotgun

>>34600877
Is this the tac14 or self built?

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>>34609979
Screw is too big :(

Looking at a $250 PW87 for my first gun. Lightly used: according to the pawnshop owner, the previous guy bought it, went through half a box of shells and practically slammed it on the counter when he came to sell it.

I know it's a piece of shit from the factory, but it's supposed to get better after running some shells through it. And seven round capacity for less than $300 sounds pretty good.

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>>34606710
18 inches is too long for me

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>>34610044
do you think the screw goes into the back of the stock?

you need to pre-drill a hole smaller than the screw where i highlighted.

it need to be on the bottom ridge of the stock not on either side.

>>34610084
I've heard those are unbelievably bad and the malfunctions people describe don't sound like the kind to get fixed with a few motions. They're also kind of ugly because of the way the manufacturer marks the info on the gun with a laser etcher.

>>34609770
dont know of any that are shorter than the moss factory options

I missed getting an old auto 5 for 150 Canadian. How badly did I fuck up?

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>>34610059
oh my god. no anon. That whole is not for that screw. That hole is for a cap.

Pic related. Her is an example of my remington 1100.


The cap must of fell off you gun.

>>34610059
why are you putting it there instead of drilling a new hole in the correct location?

>>34607471
The maverick 88 is a poverty mossberg 500 which is a poverty 590 which is a poverty 590a1.

The difference in price between these models should be insigifnicant compared to your ammo and training costs. If that's not true, you should not own a shotgun yet.

>>34610084
any warranty on the thing? if not i recommend looking to other guns...if it turned out to be a lemon youd be out of luck

>>34610179
Yeah, except 590's can't swap barrels without swapping the mag tube for a shorter one. If you're gonna splurge on a shotgun, you might as well get an autoloader. Pumps are supposed to be cheap and versatile.

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>>34610164
>>34610059
here is another example off one of my other remingtons.

>>34606777
I get that realtree camo is supposed to functional for hunting big game and waterfowl, but it just screams fudd.

>>34610275
and it doesnt make a lick of difference. Its one of those lies meant to sell more shit.

>>34610238
>If you're gonna splurge on a shotgun, you might as well get an autoloader.
They are entirely different use cases. Walmart has turkish 12ga semi shotguns in the low $200s, and there are plenty of very expensive pump shotguns.

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>>34597558

I like the bead, yo

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I recently inherited a Winchester 1897 (soon to be two, there's a damascus barrel one awaiting me), but the gun seems to jam up often between extracting the fired hull and chambering the next round. Guessing it's the modern ammo being too long and not reliably leaving the gun, combined with me shortstroking it or something. I'm pretty new to guns myself, my immediate family all dislike them.

The gun is about 100 years old at this point, but my grandparents kept good care of their stuff and it seems to still be in perfect working order. It's the one in this pic

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the durr will never see me coming

>>34610326
that folder pleases my eyeballs

>>34610179
Mossberg 500 is all you need. I don't like my guns heavier than they have to be. Literally the same quality, just not the add ons

>>34610400
>but the gun seems to jam up often between extracting the fired hull and chambering the next round. Guessing it's the modern ammo being too long and not reliably leaving the gu
its probably not, my buddy has one and we started getting issues with it. Turns a few screw had rattled loose. I cant remember which screw it was, so i suggest taking your gun apart and putting it back together.

Taking anything apart and putting it back together usually solves most problems.

>>34610400
It's an ancient gun designed to fire either all brass or brass and paper rounds. The expanding plastic hulls cause issues, most notably because of the crimp that blows out after each shot which is not accounted for on old shotguns. You can get them bored out to accept modern shells if you want but it would be almost cheaper to get a new gun.

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>>34610445
actually paper shells are the least reliable and they blow out just like a plastic crimped shell. Also, The US goverment had so many issues with paper in the Spanish-American war and Philipines they had to switch to brass.

Plastic shells are just fine.

you dont know what you are talking about and you dont have hands on experience. STFU

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Are spas-12s worth it? are they a video game meme? i have been on the fence for about 5 years because i find them aesthetic

>>34610498
Plastic and paper crimps are not even in the same ballpark and you know it, get off my dick with that shit.

>>34610499
pretty sure you cant get them in the usa

>>34610321
Correction: reliable autoloader
I didn't even consider that garbage.

>>34610499
They're pretty cool but require a tax stamp are cost a lot of money for what it is. Also a number of the early production models are said to fire off sometimes if you turn it on safe so there's that.

>>34610572
how much is the tax stamp?

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>>34610517
you are fucking special.

Paper is terrible, and was abonded for a reason. you dont know what you are talking about. Modern shells are just fine, unless you buy from a shitty brand.(but that goes for all ammo.)

Ive shot both out of multiple turn early 1900s and late 1800s shotguns. It makes no difference. Paper is shitty because it swells and looses integrity with humidity/moisture.


plastic hulls are just fine and reliable. The only problem i have ever seen on a plastic hull was in a modern gun and the gun had gashed the plastic hull.

you dont know what you are talking about.

>>34610517
Are you referring to the difference between roll and star crimping?
Paper shells were also star crimped and plastic can be roll crimped.
The shell length is for fired length. Anyone loading a longer shell into a shorter chamber is clearly a fucking idiot and deserves whatever happens.

>>34610578
all stamps are 200 unless its an AOW stamp or some DD stamp

>>34610441
I already freaked out once because I thought my bolt was stuck, but all that happened was a screw was loose and blocking the way. I've taken the thing apart enough to clean it well, just not enough to make sure every last bit is in as intended. I will certainly do a more thorough job and see if that helps.

>>34610445
I assume short of trying to hunt down old shells, I'm SOL when it comes to getting stuff to shoot from it? 2 3/4" seems to be the shortest 12ga comes in and I'm not sure the difference in crimp styles will vary enough by brand for it to be solely the fault of the two I've already tried.

Even taking into account the money side of things, I think I'll leave it be since it goes back in the family as far as my great grandfather. I know a good gunsmith would likely not fuck the thing up, but I'd prefer to leave it as is. Recoil pad is a mess and cracking apart, so that is one part I'm making an exception for.

>>34610535
I used to own one of those cheap walmart semi-autos

the H&R excel auto, i got it for like 250$ from walmart.

I drug it through the dirt hunting for 8 years and shot all kinds of loads out of it. I never cleaned it or had a malfunction.

>>34610535
Fair enough. But my point is that semi shotguns are not necessarily an "upgrade". Sometimes you just gotta pump.

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>>34610590
thank you anon.

>>34610593
dont listen to that faggot>>34610445
Ive shot plenty of plastic out of plenty of old guns. you are fine. Unless it a really early gun chambered in 2 1/2 you should never have a issue

its probably the action screw.

unlike that faggot i have experience with the 97>>34609348

>>34597558
What exact model of 590 is that? I cant find any with the ghost rings and the heat shield

>>34610572
>require a tax stamp
What orifice did you pull this 'fact' out of

>>34610584
I really don't know what you're going on about. Paper hulls are terrible. I agree? I said nothing about the quality or usefulness of paper hulls, just that they were in use for the era that the gun was made in. I don't know why you think this is a promotion for a rightfully antiquated concept.

>>34610663
The heat shield is aftermarket. None of them come with it

>>34610584
Speaking as the person with the 1897 issue in the first place, plastic hulls may very well be the issue. The crimp on the paper hull doesn't look like it goes out much at all when fired, unlike plastic. The plastic hull I have right by me right now is just 5.5mm shorter than where it's supposed to pop out. The extractor itself looks to cover up about that much space in the opening, so I think I feel safe saying the crimp is the issue.

>>34610692
It's mossberg OEM.

>>34610692
>>34610709
I have a standard 590 that I got from Dicks with a heat shield and ghost rings weirdly enough.

>>34610735
Not 590, meant to say 500.

>>34610652
I'll need to head off to pretty shortly so I'm not a zombie tomorrow. Probably won't be until next week I even get to take it shooting, but I will check out that screw.

Assuming you don't have the norinco reproduction 1897, guessing yours feeds plastic just fine? Only thing I've given it so far is cheap target load from Federal and Suprema to make sure the thing works. It's got a full choke, so not giving it slugs.

>>34610667
Plastic hulls are just fine. Ive seen really cheap stuff have issues but simply dont buy really cheap stuff.


>>34610699
its probably not, I am 95% sure that a screw isnt tighten enough. Other wise you are buying shitty ammo. what brand are you buying?

>>34610663
You won't.
There's no model, as of yet, with the ghost rings and heat shield.
It was likely put on after purchase, but it is a factory mossberg part.
>Mossberg Part #16335P
That's for the 590A1 with 20" heavy barrel.
You can get it directly from Mossberg for about $50, or from Aimpro for $80 (the one they sell is the exact same)
I think Aimpro has one for the 18.5" barrel one too, but iirc it's not a factory part.

>>34610770
>reproduction 1897, guessing yours feeds plastic just fine?
its the real deal and it feeds plastic.

>>34610699
If it's worth anything, you could try shoving minishells in it. Aguila makes 60mm shells for the MAG7 which are about 2 1/3". There are also 2" and other lengths.

This'll be my last post here for the night, but my current plan is to make sure all the parts are in like they're supposed to. If I do that and the issue persists, I'll try something other than the cheap shit I have laying around. Last resort is giving these minishells a try. The feedback is appreciated, don't know anyone else IRL with one and am surrounded by fudds who want me to convert it to a trench gun.

>>34599812
Mossberg has a "scorpion" tactical shotgun that's really pretty

>>34597612
I'm jelly because my cuck of a state just made an impromptu ban of shockwaves, and shotguns like shockwaves. (but it's totally not a ban guize!).

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>>34597558
I'll just keep using the same picture because I don't want to pull the fucker out of the case.

>>34601068
This and the SLP are great guns. Also consider the Benelli M2 and Versa Max. The mossberg JM 930 Pro is good too if you're on a budget.

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>>34610950
Minishells have issues from one gun to another. If you do try, you need to pump the guns fast as possible.

my ithaca 37 riot holds 13.

>>34603012
>bead sight
>shows shotgun with a front sight

Come on dude.

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>>34597558
Can I play?

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>>34611049
Nice ithaca. you should buy a another barrel and pistol grip, so you an make believe aliens.

or just give me your forend and ill do it myself.

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>>34611170
Um. No thanks

>>34609348
Elaborate of what is wrong with the 500?

>>34611203
Nothing, he's being a fag and saying you should spend 2-3x more for no perceivable benefit.

>>34611185
its not permanent. You an just take the stock off and put the pistol grip on when you want to watch aliens.

>>34611203
shitty quality. Lots of broken safteys and small parts.

>>34611246
not at all, all my shotguns are under 500$. Most under 400$.

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>>34611275
I'm aware. Just lazy and won't do it

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>>34610400
it sounds like you need tighten the action hook screw and check the main spring tension screw. On the action hook screw, light peening of the threads, or some temporary loctite will do to make sure it stays put. My 97 has been very dependable and will chew through anything, One thing you must consider is there'es a chance it is a shorter chamber such as 2-1/2 or 2-9/16, any gunsmith can cure this. Also a good quality cleaning of the chamber can go a long way. It's not a plastic shell issue, it's the brass or in some steel or aluminum) which some swell really bad. I've always had positive experiences with paper shells, theyre fine other than being more vulnerable to humidity, hence wax caooed brass shells. worth noting brass and paper shells have been around just as long.

>>34610445
This guy sucks big heavy dick.

>>34611275
So you think the Ithaca beats out the 500?

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>>34597558
Anyone know if the Remington 11-87 Sportsman Synthetic is any good? Im trying to get one to deck it out with a speedfeed full stock and 18.5 inch barrel

>>34611691
Don't listen to anyone who shits on the Mossberg 500. If you want "a shotgun" it's the one. Definitely plenty of worse guns out there. And sure you can pay a lot more for different guns.

But the Moss 500 is the standard. Militaries use the 590. Thunder Ranch teaches with 500s.

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>>34610445
You are a dumb motherfucker

>>34611027
>theres no way I could possibly have more than 1 shotgun

Should I grab the 7 or 9 shot 590a1? Does the extra capacity justify the extra weight/length?

>>34610307
You sound like an idiot who's never hunted turkeys before

>>34597558

>Bead or Ghost Ring

I was re-organizing my entire firearms stash a couple weekends ago and I found my spare old Vortex SPARC and a shitty UTG 1913 top rail for my Mossberg.

Slapped it all together and now it looks like a weird early 90's police shotgun. I haven't shot it with a red dot, mite b cool.

>>34600949

What stock is that?

>>34616357
not that poster but it looks like one of the sage 870 stocks

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Are there any good alternatives to the Mossy 930 Pro Jerry edition?

Looking for a tacticool autoloader because why the fuck not?

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>>34611691
easily. On top of being better quality its a better design. The original design was John pedersens and then it was improved by john browning. Its a Fantastic gun and one of the best shotguns in the world.

Mossbergs are a clunky design.

>>34612583
Mossberg is not the standard. Who gives a shit about the military, they buy the cheapest one just to open doors. and Thunder ranch uses them because they are cheap to buy whole sale.

Mossberg is not the standard, mossberg is subpar. and saying there are worse guns is just an exscuse. Mossberg is shit. Ive seen far to many break.

>>34616228
I do hunt them and just about every other animal i can.
Do you really think you need all that shit to hunt? Look at vintage hunting pictures for a minute and tell me? I often hunt in blue jeans and a carhart. Although jeans suck in the dew.

This whole idea you need this and that to hunt is bullshit.

>>34616394
https://fnamerica.com/shotguns/fn-slp-series/

>>34616394
I would look into Berretta shotguns. The berretta outlander is one of the few guns i have felt safe shooting one handed with the buttstock on my chin. Super smooth 12 gauge.

>>34605151
Nope, has about a half inch of clearance.

>>34610525
>>34610572
You are both fucking retarded.

>>34616591

>This whole idea you need this and that to hunt is bullshit.

This. I shot a trophy bull moose while wearing jeans and a green wool shirt.

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>>34616872
It takes more than that to kill a bull moose.

>>34616331
pics

>>34616984

Well, I left out the .300WM that I shot it with.

>>34614187
all subjective
have an 8rd mag 590a1 because i dig the capacity and the extra mag ring for the bayo lug

have a 5rd 18" barrel 500 as a lighter shorter alternative
i use both guns for hd

>>34609348
>>I heard those built in lights kinda suck.

Nope, great ergonomics with the SureFire and it's been solid since it was using P60 bulbs, I keep updated it to newer LEDs, which are brighter and deal with recoil great. Now it's using a single CR123, very slick and snag free.

>>34600949
My shoulder hurts from just looking at that.

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I post her in every thread, but it's because I love. I'd like a 20 or 18 inch barrel, though.

Are Maverick 88s good for aftermarket? i know the 500\590 is better, but I'm interested in getting the cheap one for funsies.

>>34618672
you can replace the buttstock. butt thats about it.

i suppose you could attach some accessories to the barrel and have the receiver tapped for a rail.

I would get an 870, new or old.

>>34618972
>I would get an 870
Even the express? Police are good new, but I've heard nothing but bad things about the budget one.

>>34619142
>express
I got an express. Its extremely quick to rust and I had to replace the extractor. I wouldn't get one unless you're willing to put up with that shit or get it refinished and replace a bunch of parts. Its really concerning when I have seen $150 airsoft guns with drastically better finishes than an 870 express.

>>34619182
That's what I though. I'd rather avoid new Remington, to be honest, unless it's ammunition.

I want to buy a shotgun but don't want to spend a shitload of money. (I will not buy from walmart, they suck ass) what should I buy?

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>>34619314
>SEE IMAGE

>>34619213
They do if you keep in humid places. I live in the south but keep my house between 65-70 all year round.

>>34619314
Mossberg. Mav 88 or 500. you could also get the Winchester SXP, as i hear good things about them, but they're Turkish made guns if that bothers you and have a poor aftermarket.

>>34610986
Do you like yours? Im thinking about it

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i have an old Stevens Model 820 in 12 ga with a 28 inch barrel and a fixed full choke. would it be viable to cut the barrel down to a shorter length and have it threaded for a removable choke?

>>34620206
>would it be viable to cut the barrel down to a shorter length and have it threaded for a removable choke?
it depends on the thickness of the barrel but yeah. Its viable. I hear alot of people talking about it but never actually threading it after ward.

>>34620589
what does barrel length actually do for a shotgun? as i understand it the powder burns almost instantly, like a pistol powder. would shortening the barrel by 10 or so inches reduce the velocity of a given load enough to make a difference?

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>>34610984
what state?

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>>34597558
I've got 4 shotguns
1/2

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>>34621515
2/2

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>>34620693
Shortening shotgun barrels really doesnt make a difference.. Unless it like really short. The problem with shortening a barrel is that you cut off the choke. Making it cylinder bore, the shot isnt choked down so it spreads more. which could be good or bad depending on how you look at.

Im looking into getting a duck bill choke for my ithaca 37 riot. To spread my shot horizontally and get that vietnam tingle going.

>>34621515
damn son, you got some fine ones.

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>>34621515
Beautiful shotguns, what is the first one?

Ive got nothing interesting here. Some pawn shop bargains I picked up. Who can turn down a $99 870 Express?

Is #4 buckshot for HD a meme?

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>>34622174
No, it's a completely rational choice if you want enough stopping power while not destroying all the shit in your house.

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>>34622174
Thats for you to determine

personally i keep 00 2 3/4 in my HD.

I currently have some Olin in it because all my other ammo is 3" magnum or bird shot.

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Waiting on my permit for a Benelli M3 Tactical.

Any suggestions on the accessories I should be looking at?
Note that I'll be shooting it wronghanded. ;)

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>>34622174
make the decision for you self.

>>34620693
you dont gain that much in velocity and spread/pattern is determined by choke not length. what barrel length does effect is handling, balance and weight distribution. longer barrels swing smoother. shorter barrels swing faster but are harder to stop.

>>34622539
well that not entirely true, a shorter barrel will have a much larger spread once it starts getting really short, even compared to a cylinder bore that is longer.

and you whole thing about swinging your barrel is retarded. I even decided to test it real quick just to be sure. and yeah thats bullshit.

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>>34622557

Federal's flitecontrol cup also helps greatly to lower spread.
(pic unrelated, i don't know what cup that is)

>>34622539
>longer barrels swing smoother. shorter barrels swing faster but are harder to stop.

Long barrels tend to be easier to instinctively aim.
And shorter barrels have lower mass, so they are EASIER to stop. So you're wrong.

>>34622557
>well that not entirely true, a shorter barrel will have a much larger spread once it starts getting really short, even compared to a cylinder bore that is longer.
you can stick a choke in a shortbarreled shotgun and adjust the pattern
> I even decided to test it real quick just to be sure.
this isnt something you can quickly test in your room with one gun by pointing it at a wall. its not a night and day difference either its subtle.

>>34622596
>And shorter barrels have lower mass, so they are EASIER to stop.
stop was probably a bad choice of words. what i meant is its harder to control where to stop. its moving faster because the gun is lighter. you are right the effort required to bring a lighter object to a complete stop will be less effort than bringing a heavier object to a stop.
an easier to understand comparison would be mouse sensitivity with low sensitivity crosshairs move slow and you can be more precise the trade off being you really have to move the mouse. a shorter gun would be like high sensitivity where you could do a 180 moving your mouse an inch but it would be harder for you to stop the crosshairs where you want them without over or under compensating since its moving much quicker.
of course its not as extreme as going from 3 sensitivity to 30 in cs. like i said its subtle. and theres no best either it depends on the persons preferences

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>>34622007
>>34621971
Thanks!

What I've got here is a Walther "Automatische Schrotflinte" or "Automatic Shotgun" built by Deutsche Werke on Walther's patent from 1920-1930(maybe?)

It's a toggle action design chambered for 2-1/2" shells with a magazine tube that swings out.

You can find more info on a forums.gunboards thread with more history and a better looking specimen if you google "Walther semiauto shotgun"

Here is the action open and magazine exposed

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>>34622883

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>>34597558
some magfed love?