12ga slugs on humans

Had a friend use a 12g slug in a HD situation. He hit a load-bearing column and blew the fucker in half. The intruder got trapped when the fucking ceiling came down.

>>34596638
About as REKTifying as the assraping in prison you're going to get when that 1oz slug blows a fist sized hole through Jamal and keeps on going into your neighbors' house and kills their 3 month old son.

All ammunition will easily penetrate house walls if you miss, but a slug will overpenetrate even if you hit your target.

If you're going to use a slug, at least use a PDX segmented slug or something that will break apart and slow down.

>>34596689
Lets take burgerclap carboard houses out of the equation for a sec.

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>>34596659

Worked like a fucking charm.

>>34596729
Go shoot a 1oz slug at a cinder block or even sheet metal and tell me what happens.

Unless you're living in a bomb shelter, it's going to blow through at least one wall.

>>34596638
Buckshot has noticeably less recoil and is cheaper with less over penetration while retaining great terminal ballistics.

>>34596638
It's not that the spread on the buckshot is wide at short range, it's the way shit spreads out INSIFE the body that's the real killer

>>34596689
while penetration is the reason people don't use slugs, you wouldn't go to prison, the death of the 3 month old would be credited to jamal and any accomplices. felony murder rule.

>>34596689
>low velocity soft lead
>blowing through 2 houses and 2 exterior walls and still being fatal
>nah bruh
The slug will penetrate more than some rounds and less than others. It will definitely have enough zip to go through your interior walls from one side of the house to the other if it doesn't hit a stud.

However. If you are in an actual house, not an apartment, the odds of exiting your house drop once it hits that exterior wall, and drop a lot, depending on material.

The odds of it continuing into another house, through another exterior wall, are almost zero.

>>34597028
I mean technically, but if you do kill a child because of your shit choice in hd ammo you can bet theyll try to zimmerman you and splash your face on every liberal news outlet for 6 months as a baby killer, and then use that as justification to crucify you for killing jamal who didnt do nuffin but try to provide for his 8 kids he dosent see.

>>34597144
>painting the devil on the wall

With the amount of home defense shootings, there are bound to be one or two instances where the owner used slugs, so he wouldnt be ther first one. Granted, just a small percentage of engagements get leaked to the media, but yes, Im aware gungrabbers will jump on EVERY opportunity.

>captcha: local cctv

On point.

>>34596752
>Unless you're living in a bomb shelter, it's going to blow through at least one wall.
My 60s apartment has 20cm steel reinforced concrete walls, add a layer of bricks for the exterior walls. (Why bricks outside of concrete walls i don't know, just for looks maybe.)
The bomb shelter is in the basement though, and let's just say the walls are slightly more impressive then 20cm.
Not everyone builds houses out of plasterboard.

>>34596638
Because shot will spread once they enter the target. Maybe get learnt on some BG tests? they should be able to answer most of your basic questions but don't take what casual testers say too seriously, most of their tests aren't actually valid in a technical sense. They also tend to say stupid shit(classic being 4 layer denim complaining) but the general conclusions are usually more or less on point.

As for slugs the answer is that their performance is too variable and when they don't perform the way they should or if you miss then they tend to really keep trucking for a while. Foster slugs for instance will usually expand massively and fragment, penetrating 14-16" which is ideal performance. But if they don't expand/fragment they WILL go through a target and retain lethal energy out the other side.

00/#1 buck on the other hand has no such concerns. If it hits the target with adequate velocity it will penetrate and spread. It also can't really decide its going to stay in one piece and say hi to the neighbors even after perforating your intended target.

LSS good slugs will BTFO anything on two legs better than just about any other common SD weapon but they can also be risky.

>>34596689
>>34596752
>>34597028
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HuVkXLreWE&list=PL6FB07244EA20A1A9&index=2

hmmmmmmm

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>>34597814

l...lewd

>>34598028
i'd fuck it

>mfw my stepdad's HD load is birdshot because he claims that it's just as effective as buck shot with less spread

why live

>>34597814
>12 gauge slug destroys everything
wtf i love shotguns now

>>34599935

>Not handloading your shells on an indian burial ground to get haunted ammo.

>>34601579
>not alternating your hainted injun rounds with silver plated blessed buckshot,

why not a 12g snail you racist fuck

>>34603260
because slug more slug

Get a VEPR, put a red dot optic on it, and load up a drum with slugs.

>>34597770
why not #4bk?

>>34601579
>Can actually do this because friends camp is located literally right next to an Indian burial mound.
Now all I gotta do is put the wadding in at Myrtles Plantation for maximum spooky rounds.

>>34597028
no one here has made the argument that you shouldn't kill people from collateral damage because it's a bad thing to do.

Really activates the almonds.

>>34596689

There has never been one single incident where someone has been taken to court for hitting a bystander after overpenetrating through a suspect. Not fucking once.

Stop pushing this fudd meme.

>>34597647
Maintenance must be a fucking nightmare.

>pipe bursts in the wall
>break out the jackhammer
>need to run some more conduit
>grab the TNT

As shitty as drywall is, its cheap and piss easy to repair. Also fun as fuck to demo pretending your the god damn juggernaut.

>>34603917
>"nobody has gone to jail for it, therefore, you shouldn't take bystander's safety into account!"
You're a real piece of shit, my dude

>>34598028
>looks like stomach lining
>vore fetish triggered
>erection

fffuck

>>34603842
it goes without saying, and besides drive bys an nyc police shootings happens very infrequently.

>>34597647
Speedblock and rebar isn't really as strong as you make it sound

>>34603917
Just because it's legal doesn't mean you should.

"Oh hey, neighbor! Sorry I accidentally killed your wife with a stray bullet. But don't get mad at me, it was perfectly legal!"

>>34597647
difference between living in a house and living in a building that was made for something else poorfag

>>34604247
More like,
"hey neighbor, I'm sorry for your loss. It was very unfortunate someone broke in and caused this."

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>>34601579

>>34604193

>hasn't happened once in the entire history of the nation
>insist that people should freak out over the possibility

You're a real piece of shit, my dude.

>>34596638
ISIS did a few HD videos showing their effect

>>34603917
There was that one cop, while serving an eviction notice, shot through a father's arm and ended up killing the guy's daughter

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>>34596638
Why not choose a superior weapon for HD?

>>34596689

So I'm going to shoot through an intruder, have the slug continue through drywall, insulation, exterior wall, and then sail in a straight line a hundred yards to the neighboring house, through their exterior wall, insulation, and drywall, and then still have enough energy to kill someone?

Get fucking real. Unless you're living in a fucking favela, there's no way over penetration is a concern.

>>34604555
the logical concern is if you miss, it goes through a window, then it could still very possibly penetrate another home and kill someone.

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>>34604529
>scope for hallway encounters

>>34604583

That's not a logical concern.

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>>34604555
Unless your walls are made of concrete, over penetration is always a concern.

The problem is that any caliber that is capable stopping the threat is also capable of blowing straight through drywall. So you might as well pick whatever caliber you believe to be most effective and focus more on training and being sure of what is beyond your target.

>>34604603
>1-4x variable
>implying one of my potential HD scenarios doesn't include the possibility of a 300yd engagement
If I'm at hallway distances I'm just gonna point shoot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_shooting

>>34604555
How about through the intruder, through the hollow door into the bedroom where your child is sleeping?

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>>34604664

I'm starting to think overpenetration through WALLS is just something ARfags use to justify their rifles being kept for HD.

Even if your shit gets through an intruder, and your typical US cardboard wall, the projectile isn't going to then still be powerful enough to kill people on the other side, or fly into another fucking building.

You would have to be shooting a guy pressed against a wall, with the innocent bystander pressed onto the other side of the wall for such a thing to happen. And even then it probably wouldn't be easy to seriously wound that person unless you were shooting something full retard like 30-06 (or OP's 12ga slug) up close.

are .410 slugs available?

>>34604837
yes

>>34604819
>Even if your shit gets through an intruder, and your typical US cardboard wall, the projectile isn't going to then still be powerful enough to kill people on the other side
Wrong, even pistol calibers will still have enough energy to kill.

Also what if you miss the target? It's way more likely than you think.

>>34604937
>even pistol calibers will still have enough energy to kill.

Considering most pistol rounds lose most/all of their energy just passing through somebody I really doubt that.

are Hornady SST slugs the best you can get?
asking for a friend.

>>34605121
I wish I could be John Wick like you and be 100% confident that it's literally impossible for me to miss the bad guy.

>>34605121
>most pistol rounds lose most/all of their energy just passing through somebody
If you hit a Large-American center mass then you're right. But you won't always get good hits.

>>34596638

Only way I can imagine it wouldn't instantly drop someone is if it passed through without hitting bone but they'd still be bleeding out a massive hole. If it did hit bone you can bet it's shattering and sending fragments everywhere, maybe into the spine.

Related, what chance of survival would you give someone shot twice at 10 yards by 00 buck? I ask because of the 3 1/2" loads that have 18 pellets instead of 9.

>>34599935

There might be truth to that statement. Depending on choke I get tighter groups with birdshot than buck and if youre close enough not to give the wad time to separate it acts like a frangible slug. Still less penetration when it breaks up inside but pretty lethal.

It's still bad practice, buck is the way to go for damage but #2 birdshot will penetrate deep enough to kill if you're a pussy about overpentrating

>>34605557
#2 is not birdshot

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>>34603704
can confirm that veprs & slugs are a nice combo that tears a lot of flesh away from whatever you hit
>a racoon died to bring you this picture

>>34604555
https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-3-the-shotgun-meets-the-box-o-truth/

Bottom of the article is when he uses a slug. A basic 2 3/4" shell in an 18.5" cylinder barrel blew through TWELVE sheets of drywall.

That's not even considering 3" shells or Brenneke Black Magic meme rounds.

>>34596659
10/10 would do it again

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>>34596638
It be like getting hit by a miniature train
>with the force or one billions wombats,YOU DIE!

>>34605769
wheres the vid

>>34596689
>>34596752
>>34597770
Reminder that if you aren't a manlet and you shoot somebody in the torso at close range, the projectile is going to be traveling at a significant downward angle and will hit dirt. Here's a test

>Stand in mirror
>Point gun at your reflection's center mass
>Hold the gun in that position and look at the angle it's pointing

Unless I'm being invaded by NBA players, center mass will not put my sights level with the horizon.

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>>34605576

If you're trying to tell me #2 only refers to buckshot I don't believe that's correct. #2 shot/birdshot is different from #2 buckshot

>>34599935
I'd rather be shooting a .22 at someone over birdshot

>>34605911
But you WILL be invaded by NBA players.

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>>34605853
I must have grazed him on the first shot up in that tree. Took him a few seconds to quit jerking after his head went mostly bye-bye.

slugs in Insurgency are severely underpowered.
pisses me off so much.
It is one of the few games that have good shotgun gameplay.

>>34606095
>>34605769
You're mentally ill, my friend.

How far does it take buck to start spreading? Like 15 yards?

>>34606173
Well, as soon as it leaves the barrel. A better question would be, what is the effective range of buck shot, which can depend on the choke you're using and how many pellets you expect to hit the target.

At 15 yards, every pellet will likely hit a man sized target. At twice the distance, about half will hit a man sized target.

>>34596689
Stop pushing this retarded meme, if anything Tyrone's family would get sued.

>>34606000
checked and rekt cause im a manlet
who married an even shorter women
my poor future children

>>34606000
basketball americans is the correct term, anon-kun

>>34606195
Thats bullshit it doesnt leave the wadding for at least 10 yards

>>34605911
>suggesting people point a gun at themselves

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>>34606160
I'm one of the more live and let live people I know.
But those coons tear the parent's dog up on the regular so I'm happy to grab the glasses-cam and shotty when they call me. Might as well make something of it.

>>34606218
>his reading comprehension is this bad.

give it a whirl anon

>>34606217

There's a lot of variables. I think you should test multiple brands and chokes before taking that number as a minimum absolute. At 5 yards I get at least fist sized groups with sellier and bellot

>>34604712
>no children
>live in brick building
feelsgoodman.jpg

>>34606275
At five yards i get half dollar sized hole with an 18 inch barrel. 2 3/4. I would rather just use slugs

>>34605837
I'm conflicted about this.
>wasting 2 TOW's on 2 guys
>Hitting two moving infantry with TOW's

>>34606315
War isn't and must not be cheap

Does the type of slug really matter that much? I've read they lose a significant amount of velocity after 100 yards, and that it's a feat to use slugs for hunting past 200 yards.

>>34606315
I believe those two guys were raising an ISIS flag on a hill, so the Iraqis really wanted to send a fuck you to them.

>>34606328
MIC plz.

>>34606345
Oh, well.... fuck. It WAS badass.

>>34606231

If you're out of options, I get the pest control component. Why waste them with slugs though? You could tan the pelts at least.

>>34606363
>Why waste them with slugs though?
Honestly, I just grab the gun that I'm in the mood for using.
I don't have much use for anything else, although I suppose I could drive my filled livetraps over to somebody who'd drown and maybe use them.

>>34606315

There's no cheap way to kill guys at that distance, you either drop a ton of unguided ord or use a few precision weapons.

>>34606398
>drown

y no .22

The facts of life are the facts of life, but compassion costs about 4 cents

>>34606346
Okay, how about this
It is well that war is so terrible, otherwise we should grow too fond of it.

>>34606231

I don't think you're crazy anon. I have an autistic grade interest in terminal ballistics and how things react to being shot in different places. When I was young and went to a new place I could shoot on I'd spend all day, every chance I got, killing every animal on the land and after 2 or 3 visits per ~10 acres it would take a year before I'd find anything on it aside from the occasional migrating bird. The first day was always great and Id get lots of great pictures I'd fill a notebook with and later document the shot. I don't kill things anymore unless it's a pest animal and I'm using something I'd get interesting results from but most of these aren't safe to eat afterwards so I have to bury the butchered bodies at the end of the day. At my house I have a burn pit now because of the problems the bodies were causing and I don't have to dig as much. I love animals and I come across as a well adjusted person, the only person who really knows is my girlfriend.

>>34606095
wtf why did you shoot that monkey???

>>34605557
>Related, what chance of survival would you give someone shot twice at 10 yards by 00 buck?
high probability of a one shot stop, i'd put it at better than 80%. one hit 18 pellets isn't going to equal two hits of 9.


>>34606160
nothing wrong with killing pests

>>34606173
depends entirely on your shotgun and ammo

>>34606479
monkeys are niggers but instead of "ayo lemme borra dolla" it's
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECECEEE
*steals your cigarettes*

Get on liveleak and search for ISIS shotgun. That should answer your question about effectiveness.

>>34606496
Monkeys have done nothing wrong.

>>34606554
Monkeys were one half of the disgusting act that started AIDS

>>34606740
You can hardly indict monkeys because niggers raped them.

>>34606740
>>34606809
most likely somebody hunted and ate a monkey, causing the spread

>>34607668
So claim the lefty scientists who provide rhetorical cover for the lesser races everywhere they can.

>>34605769
>>34603704

From personal experience the awesomeness that is the VEPR 12 can not be overstated...too bad they now have an import ban on them.

>>34605837
>tow on infantry
At least he didn't suffer?

>>34607833
Given that there is roughly a 2% infection risk from regular sex, there would had to be an awful amount of monkey fucking going on in africa. On the other hand, ingesting blood and under cooked bush meat holds close to 100% infection rate but that's not as fun as thousands of niggers fucking monkeys.

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>>34596689
Jokes on you faggot I don't have any walls to over penetrate.

how often does over penetration happen with lethal results actually happen to people living in suburban homes (not a packed apartment complex)? The idea that a round is going to go through the 1-2 walls in my house, 70 yards to my neighbors house, through 1-2 of their walls, into just the right spot where one of my neighbors happen to be sitting at the time in their fairly large house, and is going to hit them in a lethal spot with enough remaining energy to actually kill them sounds very unlikely to me.

>>34608230
Look up wall tests on youtube. It's 100% possible depending on wall construction.

>>34608249
I know its possible but a lot of completely insane/ unlikely things are possible and im just wondering how much this actually happens.

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>>34596638
Use bear slugs

>>34608267
It happens all the time in drive by shootings.

>>34603789
#4bk has a reputation among ballistics experts of not reliably penetrating as well as #1. Hell, most of them even specify that one should only use plated #1.

Youtube tests would seem to indicate it reaches sufficiently deep but considering the experts disagree I'm inclined to not trust it too much. It's also true that some shotgun loadings(bird for instances) really behave a lot differently in flesh/blood/bone than BG, so the assertion isn't completely ridiculous on it's face.

My guess would be that in the real world the #4 does notably worse at or after hitting bone than #1.

>>34603917
That's actually not true.

http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2014/10/6-self-defense-court-cases-need-know/#2lead-rico-spaulding-ground-shoot-w-attacker-5625

>>34608091
>there would had to be an awful amount of monkey fucking going on in africa.
Do you really doubt it?

>>34608091
where do you get your statistics?
>Taking blood directly into the mouth from another human living with HIV poses a low risk for HIV transmission. However, in this case, you would need to have an access wound in your mouth for the virus to enter the bloodstream.

>>34608297
How many times has it happened in home defense situations? If it's such a major concern, then shouldn't you be able to provide us with an abundance of examples instead of tangentially related incidents and theoretical demonstrations?

>>34608091
IIRC the risk is actually .04% for vaginal sex.

There's a reason they used to call it GRID

>>34608230
http://fox2now.com/2017/04/20/man-found-shot-in-head-inside-north-city-home/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3150393/Teen-girl-killed-stray-bullet-entered-home-celebratory-Fourth-July-gunfire-police-seek-question-23-year-old-man.html
http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/crime/2017/07/14/man-found-guilty-killing-woman-after-bullet-tore-through-wall/478555001/

home defense is relatively rare, but bystanders do get shot through walls.

>>34596659

Absolute bullshit.

>>34596729
Wouldn't that mean you also take guns out of the equation too?

>>34603842
4chan is full of people who love playing devil's advocate.

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>>34604664
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_shooting

Not that guy but thatnks for posting that wiki article, I knew what point shooting is but it was still a fun little read.

>>34608417
Im specifically asking about between houses, I even specified not apartments. Two of those are literally in the same building as the shooter but the celebratory fire one is a good example of what could happen. It certainly could happen but it seems like the chances of it happening are tiny.

>>34604529
topkek

>>34608449
>doubles advocate

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>>34598028
I like the gape

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0BoPVkgVQ8

>>34608435
Underrated

>>34606095
Listen, retard, don't shoot animals out of trees with anything besides birdshot. That slug had to come down somewhere.

>>34596689
>I get all of my information from philosophy of shooting videos on youtube

Do you even own a shotgun?

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>>34604837
>tfw you've always wanted to load a revolver cylinder with alternating .45LC and .410 slugs for HD

>>34606453
Not to open up old wounds (haha) but what have you found out from your research, i'd be genuinely interested if you could tell me abit about it or even you could make your own thread on it

>>34609131
I'm well aware of my surroundings, right in the middle of nowhere. It landed out in a farm field.
It'd have to fly over a mile and a half to hit anything. A slug isn't doing that.

>>34610995
>I can shoot at a 45 degree angle cuz I live in the country
kill yourself before you kill someone else