If I am looking for a SHTF BR that is long-range as fuck and

>>34591611
Custom build ar10 would be better.

Scar 17S is the only real thing you should consider. I've seen and experienced way too many issues with brand specific ar-10's, then you have the issue of parts availability.

>>34591611
If I had to choose any of these it would be the SR25 or MWS followed by the MR762. If it was a legit 417 or G28 I would choose that first.

>>34591630
With what brand lower?
>>34591638
I know AR10s in general are said to not be very reliable, but is there any exception? I have been seriously considering the Scar and as of now it's my first choice, just looking to explore alternate options (i.e. AR10s) before I decide.

>>34591611
For all the companies that will be around in 20 years to continue servicing the in some instances proprietary parts any newfag companies that came up during the AR bubble like Nemo and Falkor can literally go into the trash.

MWS and SR25 will be around for awhile with bong contract and KAC memes. MR762 by nature of G28... however HK being HK I could see it being scrapped entirely when G28 contract is filled only to be replaced with something entirely different. SCAR17 will be around for awhile.

I have shot Nemo guns in various calibers. They have been fine but never something I would buy. SIG 5 and 716 are both shit. Falkor will be gone in 5 years.

>>34591648
Do you think the SR25/MWS will be substantially better than other AR10s in terms of reliability?

Also, I know that both AR10s and AR15s are said to be lacking in durability and reliability. While I have no interest in an AR15, just out of curiosity, do AR10s and AR15s tend to be about equally bad in terms of durability and reliability or is one much worse than the other?

>>34591660
>go with companies that will be around for a long time
I hadn't even thought of this but very good point. Thanks.

>>34591672
Modern AR15s are actually really reliable guns. This is assuming you buy from a reputable brand.

>>34591723
Meaning AR10s are substantially worse than AR15s in terms of both reliability and durability?

>>34591746
I wouldn't say substantially. LMT makes a really solid AR10. Generally speaking however; the AR10 platform in general still has a bit to go in the way of reliability

MP10 enough said

>>34591772
Okay thanks. Does the same go for durability in that AR15s are better than AR10s? (differentiating as reliability=not prone to failures, durability=won't break if you drop it/use it as a club/run it over)

>>34591611
In what scenario do you imagine needing a sniper rifle in a SHTF situation?

Honestly you would be better with a maneuverable carbine or scout rifle.

>>34591723
AR15 is not lacking in durability or reliability.

AR10 in theory isn't either. However the problem with AR10 (and may be occasionally encountered, but at this point increasingly rare depending on how special snowflake you get on parts) is not a lack of established specs for DPMS pattern rather it's a lack of actual adherence to said specs. Also from some of the issues I have seen with DD5 I think another problem stems from a lack of OEM suppliers tooled up to crank out hundreds of thousands of components within spec in the way Continental Machine or Toolcraft or Cerro Forge etc. It isn't that the big OEMs don't get into AR10, but not to the extent of AR15... as such smaller outfits running looser bit replacement schedules or worse QC etc. seen a number of DD5 bolts that brand new wouldn't pass gas ring tests on different carriers (had some come through shop, customer informed us of issue so we checked for ourselves) which sort of got me wondering about sourcing on components for AR10 that is literal non issue for AR15 for the most part

>>34591804
Also a lot of ar10 parts are proprietary so parts will be hard to come by in a shtf scenario

>>34591786
How is that better than SR25/MWS?

>>34591808
First part about issues becoming more rare was with regards to AR15

>>34591804
An SHTF scenario could involve hostile/malevolent gangs, militias, etc. Not that I think this WILL happen, and not that I wouldn't want to have other weapons on hand for other scenarios, but I want to be prepared for everything. And in a scenario with hostile militias/gangs/etc, if they are approaching my home I want to be able to take out a few of them before they get close enough to kill me/my family/my friends and hopefully scare off their friends. Far fetched? Maybe, but I'd rather be prepared than dead.

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>>34591611

>>34591660
>SIG 5 and 716 are both shit
Whats wrong with em?

>>34591796
It basically just comes to which caliber you would prefer in your gun and making sure that you buy from a manufacturer that makes a quality gun. The only thing I can think of as far as a quality AR15 being more reliable than a quality AR10 would be shooting suppressed. Although those issues can be fixed with an adjustable gas block. Basically both will suit you well as long as you don't cheap out on a nigger tier company.

>>34591832
You are really unlikely to be in a situation where you can outshoot a good, say, AR15, and you're likely to have CQ/medium distance contacts than anything else.

It's also way more likely that you'll be able to find parts/ammo/whatever for an AR15 platform than pretty much any other rifle.

If you want a BR for funsies, that's fine...but buying a heavy, cumbersome BR-type rifle for a SHTF scenario is kinda dumb imo.

>>34591835
They had great designers create great guns and then sig cut corners.

>>34591833
Fucking horrible crap right here, what were they thinking?

>>34591847
Why is an AR15 better than an AR10 at shooting suppressed?

>>34591896
It has to do with the gassing. Apparently AR10s have been known to be finnecky cycling rounds with a suppressor. I don't know the exact cause and I'm too lazy to google it

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fuck these niggers, get this or a scar17

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>>34591611
scar 17s?

>>34591611

Pretty much all AR-10s will work flawlessly.

Palmetto State Armory has a $700 PA-10, which takes pmags. 20 and 25 round capacity. Just add scope.

Get a 1-6x scope, and you'll have a gun great for cleaning rooms, and great for 700 yard shots... one hitter quitter at all distances in between.

Expecting consistent hits at 1000 yards with any .308, not using ridiculous handloads, is just not practical. It goes subsonic around 900 yards, typically.

Of course, I've made shots at 965 yards with my 18" LR-308 pattern gun... But I don't know how good my shooting really was, as I was using a 5.5x ACOG, and hitting steel at a public range.

Return time between shot and ding of hitting the steel target was more than 5 seconds, so I didn't realize when I was or wasn't hitting the target.

Regardless, spending $3000 on the same amount of gun that you can get for $700 is a bad plan... Doubly so if you suck at shooting.

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>>34591990
Did she remove the sights and optic to show off her boobs?
GAAAAAY!

>>34592002
>Palmetto State Armory
Good goy.

>>34591659
Doesn't matter.
Get the Gibbz arms g10 upper and lower combo, it's non reciprocating side charger upper.

>>34591660
How are Noreen, S.W.O.R.D., DRD Tactical, and Alexander Arms in terms of projected longevity?

>>34592087
aren't the DPMS lowers all pretty much the same?

>>34591611
Just build a 6.5 AR-15. More reliable and a better package for a multi role platform.

LMT or KAC for parts, warranty and reputation.

>>34591865
Chris Bartocci seems to think that the 516 better than the HK 416 in some aspects. They did have the same designer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA5kVsPj6oA

>>34592326
GLOCK IS BETTER THAN BOTH
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>34592326
The inherent design may or may not be better. I don't know. I'm sure Robert Hirt and all the designers nailed the engineering, the GD&T, and all that shit. However, when it comes to external piston ARs, the QC is paramount. It's keeping a lot of the components that were designed around the inline concept and putting a non-inline gas piston on it. For this to work well everything needs to be sorted and in spec.

The HK416 may be a bit overrated and overpriced but it's very, very well made, and it actually works well as a result. US Sig on the other hand has always had problems with building rifles where they cut corners to save money or lower the purchase price *cough Sig556 cough*. The MCX, 516, 716 has sadly not been an exception to this.

>>34592237
>6.5
Enjoy the vastly inferior barrel life.

>>34592864
Inferior to what?

>>34592326
I'm sorry, but who the fuck is this nigga? He was basically unknown until this year and now everyone is posting his videos like he's some sort of authority. What are his qualifications?

>>34592864
>.308
Enjoy the vastly inferior range and bc.

>>34593048
lmgtfy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYArxNC74Gg

tldw no fucking clue, dont care

>>34591638
SCAR 17S isn't a good idea unless he wants to ruin his optics.

>>34591630
Dumb. AR-10s are much more finicky than AR-15s and when you're building you don't know how the tolerances and dimensions of each part are going to effect the rifle as a whole. Plus, most reputable manufacturers will take care of a problematic AR-10 no problem.

>>34591611
If I were you, I'd look at:
Knight's Armament SR-25 E2 APC
HK MR762A1
Sig SIG716G2 DMR
LWRCI REPR MKII

Those are the only ones I would trust.

>>34592237
He said he wanted a rifle that would be good at CQB work, too. You can't do that when you have a 22" barrel.

>>34592662
Didn't the Sig716 just win the Canadian Special Forces DMR contract? I've heard from people in the know that the requirements were really tough.

>>34592662
the only problem the MCX has had is with morons not properly putting it back together though.

>>34593251
>Scar 17 will ruin optics

This meme still a thing?

>>34591630
/thread
OP are you a sufficiently talented marksman to make use of a DMR? Be honest with yourself

How about a ptr91? They seem pretty reliable, not sure what their accuracy is like though

>>34593680
I have heard the accuracy isnt good enough to justify mounting anything but a red dot

>>34593309
Idk, I've never fired a gun in my life but I play airsoft sometimes so I have a little experience aiming?

>>34593251
>SCAR 17S isn't a good idea unless he wants to ruin his optics
What?

>>34595823
It's a meme. Scars recoil less than any other semi-auto .308 except maybe a really heavy AR-10.

>>34595925
>it's a meme
yeah kinda like AR15s being better than GLOCKS

>>34591611
don't listen to thoose AR10 memes.

get one ruger precision or one mossberg MVP LC, in 6,5 creedmoor or 308.

>>34591611
>>34596188

since you are a nogun, just buy an AR10.
I don't think you will shoot farther than 600yards.

just get one SWFA SS 10x42 and you're ok to go

>>34595925
It's not a meme for guys who shoot tens of thousands of rounds per year.

>>34593252
A good BC means you can get away with a shorter barrel. 6.5 grendel out of a 16 inch barrel is no joke.

>>34596233
If you can afford to shoot that much 6.5, even if you reload, you can afford the cost of replacement barrels.

>>34596455
Didn't know SCAR-17 fires 6.5 Creedmore.

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>>34591611
LMT makes a fine ar10 from personal experience. KAC and SCARs are great as well.

>>34591672
AR-15s are actually quite durable and reliable and can go several thousand rounds between cleanings. It's more important that they be run WET than that they run CLEAN. Just a little bit of oil on the bcg rails and bolt lugs and if it was built properly, it won't give you trouble.

Things you can do to maximize your AR's lifespan/reliability:
Use a gas system that goes with your barrel. Carbine on a 16-inch barrel is overgassed, go mid length.
Make sure the gas block is on TIGHT if it's a set screw block. Pinned is even better.
If you're not going to use an adjustable gas block, use the heaviest buffer weight your gun will cycle reliably.

>>34591611
Just use 5.56 with good ammo, you're not going to be shooting past 600 yards you goofy fuck.

>>34593204
>35 minutes of background
This nigga is as full of himself as nutnfancy.

>>34596583
>AR-15s are actually quite durable and reliable and can go several thousand rounds between cleanings.
yeah but an AK can go over a million

>>34597216
>summerfriends actually believe this

an AK cant go a million rounds without tearing itself apart broski.

>>34593251
Maybe if you put shit optics

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This thread is hilarious and op is a fucking fool with as much misconception and illconcieved ideas about how a shtf would play out as he does disposable income

>>34591659
>but is there any exception?

LMT MWS

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Thoughts?

>>34596521

http://deadshotbarrels.com/?page_id=820

They can if you want it to.

>>34597382
yes it can i know from experience :^)
>>34597433
How would shit optics be damaged by a SCAR?

>>34599426
The SCAR has a very violent action.

>>34591659
>>34591698
>>34591746
Man I've owned a psa ar10 for 2 years. At least 600 rounds down range with no issues. It's a 16inch, ss heavy bbl. I can get at least 1/4 groups on a bench(sometimes better) with 168gr seirra match. You can go buy a psa ar10 on sale for 699.99 and be shooting at the range before the end of July. Don't listen to mall ninjas. Save the money and do more stuff with your life.

>>34599455
>ss heavy bbl
does ss mean stainless steel?

>>34599474
yes

>>34593680
Mag release is way too far forward, but at least it isn't another AR.

>>34598584
Poorfag option. Unknown quality, unknown durability.

>>34591611
Put your fantasy of long range engagements away because that's not at all how it would go down. It would be up close and dirty as hell. Start looking at Level IV+ armor because you would end up facing a rifle over a pistol in shtf. AR 15 with barrier/armor penetrating rounds is a solid choice, cheap enough to have a shit ton of ammo, reliable, high capacity. If you aren't shooting multiple times a week doing tactical drills you won't stand a chance if the world went to shit bub. Spend less time worrying about the gear and more on your skills and awareness.

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>>34598584
100 more gets you a better barrel profile.
>>34599532
>poorfag
Sorry some us are not tier 1 operators, thanks for keeping us sheep's safe everyday though! Spending 3x the money on something you can buy cheaper is pretty neck beard. If your life depended on your gun everyday for heavy combat, that's one thing.
Psa guns are fine, if your worried about shtf a semi auto is not what you want. Psa makes decent stuff for a great price. You'll like a psa 10. If you actually do out grow it, then sell it or keep it as a back up.

>>34591611
I'm not terribly familiar with the brand, but Patriot Ordnance Factory just released an AR-15 sized .308 AR called that Revolution that should be considered.

Their rifles shoot sub-MOA, use a variety of high-tech bits to improve longevity and performance (their heat extraction is supposed to be ace) and really well buttoned together with full Ambi-charging handle and controls.

Since you're mentioning this for a SHTF scenario, I would strongly consider paying mind to the weight of the weapon since you might be carrying it so much.

>>34599580
If you aren't shooting multiple times a week doing tactical drills you won't stand a chance if the world went to shit bub
not even close
>Spend less time worrying about the gear and more on your skills and awareness
Correct, and raw shooting skill is not at the top of the list for any remotely realistic SHTF situation. Probably not even top 5.

What idiot put a rear buis on, but not a front?

>>34599426
>How would shit optics be damaged by a SCAR?
The giant stupid bolt carrier produces significant impulse when returning to battery.

The best option would be a baseball sized rock. Totally adjustable range and windage, multiple styles. Totally unregulated, no restrictions on barrel length or magazine size. Easy to find spare parts. Easily upgraded with standard roofing nails and duck tape. Only downside is weight and lack of aftermarket optics and holsters, also difficult to CCW depending on caliber used. I personally EDC a 2kg chunk of granite. It has great stopping power.

>>34591611
Honestly, with prices and availability these days, i would get a m&p10. Upgrade the handguard, muzzle brake, stock, and trigger. Get a 2-15x range scope from athlon or vortex. And youll still come under the 3k mark that kac and DD, etc go for. As long as you keep the bcg lubricated, mp10 is an excellent rifle. 18inch is the minimum length you should go to still reach 1k yards. It comes with a good barrel 1:10 twist rate to help you get out to 1k, and has 5r rifling if youre into that.

If you dont feel like going through the hassle of doing what was mentioned above, and want to throw money at a gun, thats also justifiable.

If thats the case look at the following:

Seekins 18in
Sig 762 patrol
Gap 10

I really wish i could recommend daniel defense dd5v2, but ive personally seen my friends fail.

Kac sr25 and hk762 are good options EXCEPT they only come in 16in versions with keymod or quad rail. After having built up a mp10 recently, that weighs 9lbs with optic, I cant see a reason why I need a 10+lbs rifle with a shorter barrel.

Fyi i highly recommend you save up an additional 700 dollars plus about 400 rounds of MATCH ammo, and take a precision long range rifle course. I recommend central virginia tactical, storm mountain, thunder ranch, and rifles only in texas. I havnt been to academi so cant recommend, and gunsite is extremely expensive.

Finally, have realistic expectations. SA rifles are still not as accurate as bolt rifles. Even the best SA is rated for 1/2moa accuracy, but realistically a newbies groups will be in the .75-1.25moa even after going through training. Bolt action is another story. The best ones have 1/4moa guarantees with factory match ammo.