How big of a problem is Russian armor? Is it enough to make a

>>34590397
>Is it enough to make a Russian invasion a real, tangible threat?
the company's worth or so of armatas, you mean?

>>34590397
it's not really a problem but it's not bad. there are a multitude of reasons why any russian invasion would be doomed to fail but the armor isn't necessarily one of them.

>>34590397
That thing is little more than a movie prop.
The hordes of T-72+++ could be a problem for countries like Lithuania though.

>>34590397
Armor is pointless if you don't at least have air parity to defend it, which Russia doesn't. F35s and F22s will decimate their air power and open up all their fancy advanced armor for CAS runs and reduce it to rubble before they can even engage an Abrams.

>>34590498
In your opinion, what would doom such an invasion?

>>34591465
Assuming you're in the US, the biggest obstacle to an invasion of any kind is logistical. There is literally no way to quietly marshal enough men, bullets, guns, food, and all the other things that keep a modern army on its feet without being noticed, much less safely transport all that shit across a fucking giant ocean without losing most of it to torpedo and missile attacks. The only way an invasion of North America could reasonably be expected to succeed would be after a crippling nuclear or biological attack, and even then you'll most likely end up fighting the Chinese and god knows who else for the right of conquest.

>>34591716
>>34591465
>without being noticed
There is no way to ferry even half of our army there at all. The only war Russia is capable of winning is nuclear, these new weapons and armor are intended to be used against Russian citizens in the inevitable food riots.

>>34590397
Land invasions are an old meme

>>34590397
>Is it enough to make a Russian invasion a real, tangible threat?
No
>>34591465
Of the US: It's literally impossible, even if the entire world 1v1d the US.
Or do you mean the Baltics?

>>34591949
Cheap, slightly used Russian women for sale on eBay when?

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>when /k/ propaganda rots your brain so bad you think that Russian invasion is an actual threat

>>34591716
>>34591949
>>34591974
In that case, how much of a threat is Russia to Europ?. Can they come in waltzing through Poland?

>>34592323
>how much of a threat is Russia to Europ?
it isnt at all
>Can they come in waltzing through Poland?
depends on how fast America can get there

>>34590397
>unmanned, fully-automated turret
I just don't see the point, frankly.

>>34590397
Armor is a problem, I guess. Since both American and German engineers are started working on better guns for Leo and M1.
Invasion, however is stupid. So, no, the armor isn`t a direct threat.

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>>34591465
Logistics. Russia's logistics are strained from just their little adventures in Syria. A high intensity offensive conflict beyond their borders (such as a push into the EU) would be beyond them.

Everything about a "Resurgent Russia" is a complete joke. Their entire economy is roughly the size of Australia's and corrupt to hell and back. Any serious conflict would reveal them as the paper tiger that they are.

Why does this matter? Because they can't afford to make, maintain, or field any serious quantity of these supposed wonder tanks or any other of the high tech shit they parade around. A bunch of fancy tech demos that will never go into full production. They're putting a massive percentage of their resources towards maintaining the appearance that they're still a major player on the world stage while their actual forces are barely combat ready.

>>34590397
They've still got fuck-you-and-your-neighbor-and-his-neighbor-too amount of tanks, but their Air Force isn't quite up to the task compared to the Cold War.
Despite what /k/ claims, the USSR Air Force could contest NATO, especially with how well-integrated and mobile their air defenses were. They wouldn't achieve air superiority, but their doctrine didn't require it, unlike US/NATO.

Today, it's a shadow of its former self. In a conventional war they wouldn't be able to properly contest NATO air superiority like the Cold War days.

>>34590477
Nope, the divisions upon divisions worth of modernized T-72s, T-80s and T-90s would however.

>>34590937
>What is the most advanced layered air-defense system in the world?

>>34590397
>how big of a problem is Russian armor?
It's not, at least to NATO member nations. They have fewer WORKING tanks than the US (of which between 0 and 16 reach parity with an M1A2) and they don't have the industrial capability to repair or un-mothball all their antiquated shit they have tens of thousands of.
>is it enough to make a Russian invasion a real, tangible threat?
To shithole former combloc nations, maybe (there's bigger problems than too few/too shitty tanks, the tanks would be fine for their role tho). To anybody that matters, no.
>how would the west stop such an invasion, barring nukes?
Overwhelming air superiority, which the Russians have no hope of countering even on home soil much less as an aggressor nation.

>>34592208
>when /k/ propaganda rots your brain into thinking the US would exit unscathed from a war with Russia and that both sides wouldn't mutually trash themselves.

Armata is invincible to any ground attack vehicles/weapon
And pantsirs hold the skies
USA is doomed and Drumpf knows this

>>34593764
Wouldn't fucking exist outside of Russian home territory, IE if they were an aggressor nation, which is what this thread is about.

Jesus fucking Christ.

>>34590937
kub buk tor and anty will stop such air power dead in its tracks Russians unlike most of the world build capable ani air systems. they will still lose but that because they cant do logistics that well and have limited 1st tier force that able to parity with 1st tier US forces

that symbol look like something from c&c zero hours

>>34592405
What do you have to back up this claim that Russian logistics have been strained because of Syria? As far as we've seen, RuAF has been doing a splendid job of raping over both the rebels and ISIS two years after they've started. And if you look at a map of the conflict pre-Russian help and post-Russian help you will see a very different frontline. Assad is winning and making big gains against both the rebels and ISIS on most fronts.

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>>34592323
As much as i love Poland and what they're doing militarily they would be a speed-bump into Germany. A big bloody speed-bump that might buy the west just enough time to react.

What the Russians could do is take the Baltic states in a manner of days. They could then quickly extend their IAD to cover those three states.

This would limit the NATO response to cruise missile strikes and precision strikes from 5th Gen weapons systems. The intent being to make any NATO ground response extremely costly.

>>34590397
>How would the west stop such an invasion, barring nukes?

hmmmmmmmmmmm, if only there was this event in history that lasted for decades where people came up with new ways of doing just that

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>>34593792
Try again pls.

>>34593799
>thinking that ground based ADNs are capable of actually denying airspace

The entire history of air power since the invention of the SAM says otherwise. One MUST have a viable air force in order to counter offensive air, there's simply no other way around it. No SAM system, no matter how advanced, no matter who builds it can get around radar horizon or the inverse square law.

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>>34593856
That's why we use over the horizon radar amerikanski. It sees over the radar horizon to shoot down planes.

Man has propaganda fried American brains into thinking it'll be a cake walk for them. Nukes or no nukes, you people are in a world of surprise when you realize how absolutely disastrous it is to underestimate Russia.
Oh well, you wouldn't be the first to do it.

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>>34593864
>Doesn't know how OTH works or what it can and cannot detect

Jesus Christ.

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>>34593764
>He thinks there aren't Air deployable weapons that are specifically designed to destroy IADs.

Be careful, or you make find yourself in HARM's way.

What sane white person with far right sympathies would not want a Russian invasion at this point?

>>34593893
Because sane white people on the right don't like hyper-oligarchies and know that Russia isn't white.

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>>34593893
Any sane man who have not swallowed putins cock.
Russians are not white.

>>34593893
Conservatism =/= Authoritarianism

>>34593908
>far right

>>34590937
There's not that much F35's and F22's in yurop.

>>34593846

An effective air defense system is more than just ground based SAM launchers, you mongoloid.

>>34593878
Yeah, because the last time the US relied on its stealth tech they had their crowning jewel shot down by a fucking Neva.
At this time, there aren't nearly enough F-35s that can do much of a difference in war. People think that in a war with Russia, the Aerospace Forces would be completely paralyzed, sure they'd be heavily crippled but they'd still be relevant, and they would shoot down F-35s.

>>34590397
lol russia isnt going to invade anybody stop fantasizing

>>34593947
It doesn't have to be more, you negroid. The US has laughable AA systems compared to Russia, but their AD is great because they have the airpower that they do.
Russian AD is great because they have the best AA systems.
American AD is great because they have good planes and they have a fuck-ton of them.

>>34593906
and you're just nigger

>>34593956
>Literally one mission out of hundreds if not thousands in a prototype stealth plane flying the same route over and over, day by day, and finally one yugo idiot thinks to wait for it to come after a few weeks, shooting it down by going after it's thermal sources, a very well known flaw of the plane.
1 Goddamn plane.

>>34593871
The best russia could hope for is a repeat of Linebacker II, inflicting losses in exchange for having their ground forces pasted like borscht over the countryside.

>>34593982

If you think Russian SAM systems are nearly as effective once you move them 100 km forward of the Russian border you are deluded. They will lack the same; air support, large early warning radar support, hard & secure communication links into the greater air defense network, and prepared positions with concealment & replenishment for movement. They are far more vulnerable to being picked apart when moved forward than kept in current borders.

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>>34593956
>He thinks the weapons western countries use against IADs don't significantly out-range ground based systems.

You can do better than this.
Try Harder.

>>34594032
Assuming that 1 russian soldier worth 100000 american spic nigger muhreen """""""""""soldiers""""""" and national guards aka mall cops

The one major fucking disadvantage of land based systems compared to air forces are the mobility and I don't think many vatniks realize this or they simply delude themselves into ignoring it.

IADS must by it's very nature be spread over a wide area while the attacking air power can and will concentrate to a single point.
The IADS will be lucky if it gets 20 minutes of warning before an impending strike, far to short to bring up any meaningful reinforcement. Any attempt to move in extra launchers and radars at that point is just begging to have them bombed to shit.
If the incoming strike punches a hole in your defenses you'll have tons of interdictors fucking up your back areas and supply lines.
Without a credible air force of your own to plug the gap with a concentration of force to match the enemy, your fancy IADS is just a speedbump at worst and attrition at best.

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>>34594064
>Assuming
And KNOWING that russian soldiers are malnourished goblins, raped into fearful submission, we know that russia would suffer 10:1 losses. As usual.

>>34594177
1 russian soldier for 10 murican? still not bad

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Jesus, has no one mentioned the A-10? It's literally designed to kill columns of Russian MBT's. We have a fleet of those things and they are absolutely devastating. Assuming the US can fly cover missions or keep air superiority the tanks wouldn't matter.

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>>34594479

Because the A-10 is as much SPAAW & IR SAM bait as your post is /k/ bait

>>34594479
>the A-10
>absolutely devastating
they suffered a bad enough attrition rate versus fucking iraqis that they had to be grounded. A-10s would never see the light of day in a WWIII style conflict.

>>34594177
Hey, man. They go with what they're good at.

Russia literally knows that invading anything west of the Baltics would mean the end of their existence, so its never going to happen.

>>34590397
Western air superiority, ATGM, and javelins everywhere.

>>34593846
Maintenance is really not their thing.

>>34593856
>what is the 6 day war

Ground based SAM's can deny airspace just fine

>>34595819
>for some time, til you lose anyways

>>34595819
The lesson learnt by the Arab-Israel wars where threefold;
>Arabs suck at war
>Russian planes are inferior to the western contemporaries even when piloted ny russians
>SAM can inflict losses but not prevent a successful air campaign

>>34590397
>He thinks invasions become a "real threat" due to armour
Fuck off back to /v, underage.

>>34595371
>Russia literally knows that invading the Baltics would mean the end of their existence, so its never going to happen.
ftfy

Those tripwire brigades guarantee baltic freedom from russian oppressors.
Russia knows that thousands of dead US soldiers would mean a full scale retaliation.

>>34595976
>what is Vietnam

>>34596100
A country where US air forces were able to gain supremacy to the point that near the end, Vietnamese Migs were only flying defensive caps near their bases.

>>34596100
>what is Vietnam
An example that shows us that if you let an air force off its leash it will flatten a city so hard that even brainwashed commie gooks come crawling to the negotiation table.

>Linebacker II
Which lead to
>Paris Peace Accords
This despite Hanoi being protected by the best strategic air defenses the Soviet Union could muster.

>>34596100
Im not even a defensive Yankfat, but any honest and military literate observer will immediately admit that the Americans were fighting with one hand tied in Vietnam. The very moment they decided to step their air campaign a notch and risk veering very closely into war-crime zone, the Vietnamese were left shaken.

>>34590397
so like...basically what would happen if just 2000 russian tanks started pouring through the Fulda Gap?? i dunno man...it wouldnt be good though

>>34590397
Armored divisions need big supply lines, and support (from combined forces).

>>34593782
>when your argument gets picked apart systematically by multiple posts and then you try to rationalize mutually assured destruction as russian victory

>>34593764
I dunno, let's ask Mathias Rust.