CZ 455 LUX

Here's a thought, what makes plastic worse than steel for a magazine?

>>34581767
Its cheap and modern. It has no place on a traditional rifle that has a "Turkish Walnut stock".

>>34581767
Plastic is less durable(in most situations) and does not age as well as steel.

It is only commonly used because it is far lighter than steel. There is no practical use of having a plastic magazine as the slight weight difference makes no difference

File: original colt saa.jpg (55KB, 1024x913px) Image search: [Google]

55KB, 1024x913px

>>34581739
>Is there anything more disgusting than making "traditional" single action revolvers and giving them polymer grips because you wish to save a few bucks?
>
>After the revolver is already prices at 5000$.
>5000$
>$
lol
>And your selling point is "Muh traditional revolver with original Colt design".
>
>It just shows how scummy the company is when they do things like that. If your selling point is "traditional revolvers" you should not include 1$ chinese plastic grips

>>34581787
>steel is susceptible to rusting, which reduces the integrity of the material
>polymer does not rust
>but somehow it's less durable and doesn't age as well as steel
?????????

>>34581800
How many WW2 or even pre-WW2 polymer magazines do you still see in use today? Plenty of steel ones still being used to this day.

>>34581787
>>34581784
So you want a "traditional" magazine, what ever the fuck that means considering traditional Durr guns from yesteryear had fully enclosed, integral magazines. You tout steel as being more durable, and yet with the same force that would crack a properly designed plastic magazine, you would undoubtedly BEND the steel magazine. The difference here being that you would immediately know the plastic magazine was not functioning. You would only know the steel magazine was nom funcional once you tried it and it failed.
You also fail to mention there is not a single "traditional" aspect to this rifle besides the wooden stock. This was not a design choice to harken back to older (((better))) days, it was a choice to add rigidity to a gun meant to be fired from the shoulder with a sling, which puts a lot of stress on the fore end. It's easier to make a wood stock resist torque than a polymer stock. Sorry bucko, this isn't your fudd gun Renaissance, this was a measured choice made by a company that knows exactly what they're doing who will ring every possible penny out of every unit sold.

>>34581797
5000$?! Plastic grips?! This is suppose to be luxurous revolver but i guess the fudds are convinced that cheap plastic is equal to other materials

>>34581811
Are you retarded or just ignorant? Nobody made a magazine out of plastic until probably the 80s.

>>34581797
My $500 cattleman has walnut grips.

>>34581811
How many high strength polymers even EXISTED in world war 2?

>>34581820
That's an original Colt Single Action Army configuration, you European idiot. There is nothing more traditional.

>>34581823
You mean your modern reproduction has wood grips.

>>34581797
>thinks plastic is bad
>25,000 car keeps running thanks to a fuel pump made entirely from plastic
>hasn't been changed in over ten years
>stored in an environment that is literally corrosive to plastic
>still works fine
Why don't we see traditional wood fuel pumps if wood is so much better than plastic?

>>34581800
>>34581819

Steel is definitely more durable than plastic. Something that gets bent can be bent back and still works while the plastic simply shatters in pieces.

Also when steel can do its job even 120 years later we know that it is more durable than plastic.

>>34581811
That's the most retarded argument I've ever heard. Polymer mags are a lot more new than steel, and weren't even around in world war 2 or pre world war 2. Talk to me in 75 years when PMags are still working flawlessly

>>34581836
You ever "bend back" the feed lips on a STANAG magazine that hit concrete? Of course not, you don't actually own anything where magazines are even a concern. Have fun with your double feeds from your ((((superior)))) surplus steel mags, LMAO.

>>34581831
>>34581834

Holy shit these people do not realize what a sheep they are. They defend the manufacturers pricing cheap plastic as high as more expensive materials.

Plastic makes that Colt as "traditional" as a glock.

>>34581836
If you bend the barrel or the frame of a firearm, it's toast. You're not going to ever "bend it back" and have a functional firearm.

>>34581845
Are you retarded? Bending over shattering which is more durable?

Nice ((( ))) while getting jewed into paying hundreds of $ for what are essentially firearms made out of cheap plastic that wont last past your generation.

Another mindless consumer buying overpriced things that get thrown away and do not last a lifetime.

>>34581847
>They defend the manufacturers pricing cheap plastic as high as more expensive materials.
Having recently looked into buying a CZ 455 myself, I do not defend their pricing of the magazines for this gun, but knowing what quality polymer magazines often are (i.e., high quality), I don't think they are overpriced by virtue of being made of the wrong material. You can make steel magazines just as cheaply. All you do is build a machine that bends sheet metal precisely how you want it. You could probably produce metal magazines faster in a properly equipped factory than polymer magazines. Point is, $30 is too much for a 5 round rifle magazine by virtue of the fact that you get so little fun out of it before you have to reload and therefore need to buy a lot of them. Ruger LCP magazines are also $30, by the way. Those are also overpriced, even though they're made of metal.

>>34581855
Try bending the feed lips on a STANAG mag until they are vertical then just bend them back. If they really are as durable as you think, they will work flawlessly, correct? Go ahead and try, gouge the receiver with a file every time you get a double feed. You need a permanent log of your shame and stupidity. A bent mag is a dead mag, full stop.

>>34581855
>over shattering
The polymers used for guns have a lot more flex than you seem to have any concept for. I've never seen actual polymer actually ever "shatter' (I'm not talking about those hard rubber grips used on the old Colts).

>>34581847
>cheap plastic
>durable steel
>bullshit surplus mags are a 50/50 dead or working state
>all of my PMags cost more than shitty surplus, run like Swiss watches
>plastic mags are cheap
What did he mean by this?

File: 1493065426022.png (271KB, 395x386px) Image search: [Google]

271KB, 395x386px

>Plastic/polymer = Bad
Fudd pls go and stay go.

Why cant you fudds stick to your toy gun plastic AR threads and stop shitting up other threads?

Plastic is inferior material perfered by soulless mongrels who consume garbage on daily baisis.

>>34581888
Says the person who gets so triggered by someone not liking what he likes that he has to shit up his entire thread.

You are the fudd. You shill for your material whenever you have the chance because its modern and everything modern is good.

>26 / 3 / 7 / 1

Fuck off
saged

>>34581898
No you fudds need to fuck off and stick to your plastic toys because your noodle arms cant handle the weight of wood and steel.

File: 1499776786427.jpg (164KB, 450x450px)

164KB, 450x450px

>>34581894
>doesn't get our cultural references (not getting "Fudd," being unfamiliar with iconic American guns)
>doesn't know where the dollar sign goes in relation to the number
>basic spelling and grammar mistakes
>evidence of low quality education
>superstitious, believes in things that can't be proven
>claims to be able to buy guns

Alright, where are you really from, OP? Cough it up or we're just going to keep handing your ass to you in your own thread.

File: 1479808536925.jpg (569KB, 2048x1367px)

569KB, 2048x1367px

>>34581897
>make a single post
>shit up entire thread
I know I'm getting baited, but dammit I'll still reply to you.

File: ase miekka.jpg (56KB, 521x596px) Image search: [Google]

56KB, 521x596px

>>34581811
Someone tell me that this is a joke or troll.

>>34581912
SERBIA. Remember the Amerigroid that was beaten to death in Greece? That is the state of your nation. A nation of brown weak cowardly mongrels and faggots.

>>34581922

My bad i mistook you for the fudd from before.

>>34581940
It's a non-American, so we are left to assume that he is really that stupid.

>>34581940
Probably a joke but everyone knows that polymer wont last 70 years. In fact every Polyshill mentions that polymer is easy to replace.

>>34581955
Not my post you tards. You managed to shit up my entire thread. I am leaving this shitty board i cant argue with sub 80 IQ mongrels

>>34581954
>lives in an ex-Soviet hell-hole where the average income is about $5400 per year
>thinks he's in any position to shittalk Americans even though he can barely speak English

>>34581972
How many Americans even speak english? The blacks speak Ebonics and the Mexicans speak Spanish.

Many states in USA are already spanish speaking.

AYO NIGGUH SUM FINNA PLASTIC SHIIIET GUNZ N SHIIET. HIGH CAPACITY GLOCK NIGGA. WE WUZ AMERIKANZS N SHIIIET BEAT DA NATZIS N SHIIIET FREE N SHIIET BUT WUZ SLAVE MASSARS SHIIET

File: 150427233401-16-baltimore-clashes-0427-super-169.jpg (196KB, 1100x619px)

196KB, 1100x619px

>>34581972
>America
>1st world country

>>34581958
>polymer wont last 70 years
Wow, so my 104 year old 96/11 with a wooden stock doesn't exist. Wood is a polymer, and is weaker and less durable than modern fiber/nylon reinforced thermoplastics. Seems to have help up just fine.

>>34581992
>>34582000
t. booty blasted second worlder

>>34582019
2nd world is one step above the 3rd world

My country does not have entire cities run by monkeys. Aka black "people"

File: Cold_War_alliances_mid-1975.svg.png (333KB, 1920x982px) Image search: [Google]

333KB, 1920x982px

>>34582037
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_World
> The Second World is a Western term referring to the former industrial socialist states (formally the Eastern Bloc), largely encompassing territories under the influence of the Soviet Union.

BTFO.

>>34581739
Isn´t the 452 better anyway?

>>34582191
No? Only real difference is the 455 has barrel interchangability.

OP is missing the fact CZ still sell steel magazines, and that if they included the steel magazine they'd add $50-100 to the price just because.

>>34581831
The originals had wood grips, or bone, or pretty much anything but plastic which was invented 30 years after the SAA you fucking DIPSHIT.

>>34582199
Really? I think I heard the 452's build quality was superior to the 455.
I was about to buy one since they are cheap af where I live, I only got a pretty shitty, single shot Anschütz right now.

File: 1497976687525.png (170KB, 417x445px) Image search: [Google]

170KB, 417x445px

>>34581831
>original configuration
>bakelite in 1907
>colt SAA in 1882
>1911 in... check it... 1911
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>34582228
>>34582222
>>34581831
>stainless steel
>original SAA

>>34582227
The
》older model better than new
Is just Fudd lore.

>>34582230
It's nickel plated.

>>34581797
>>34582228

>>34582228
>>34581831
>>34581797
It's hard rubber, not plastic. Really doesn't look like plastic in person, either.

>>34581862
Pricing is absurd but I have like seven or eight of the CZ poly mags, plus the steel one my 452 came with.

The poly mags work as well as the steel one does in my experience. Dunno exactly what my round counts are but it's a .22 LR and I've had it for about 8-10 years, have to be pushing 10,000 at a minimum.

Steel mag is heavy AF though, thing's built like a tank.

>>34582208
Steel magazines should be expected to come with the rifle.

Just give up more shekels just a little more and more so you spend 600$ on a shitty bolt action.

>>34582436
Steel magazines for a 22lr are pointless though. Tell me the last time you saw a 10/22 with a steel magazine body.

File: download.jpg (7KB, 259x194px) Image search: [Google]

7KB, 259x194px

I would rather have polymer than super thin sheet steel like a savage mk2's magazine, but a thick steel magazine would be preferable. They are like $30 for polymer so its not that great of a deal, if it was more like $20 then the polymer would be fine.

What really bothers me is all the hunting rifles now with removal magazines that use a polymer spring clip that will probably break once you use it a lot. That's why I'd probably get a howa 1500 over anything else in the $450 and below range since it has a traditional mauser style floor plate

>>34582461
Why are they pointless? I am looking for a .22mag gun not .22lr

>>34581784
Modern manufacturing is what makes that whole rifle affordable

>>34581787
I'll call magpul and lancer to let me know they can shut it down

>>34581825
Glass filled nylon has been around since 1934. Bakelite has been around since 1912. Vulcanite has been around since 1887.

>>34581865
For starters, STANAG mags are aluminum.

And yes I've repaired bent and dented feed lips multiple times and had fully functional mags afterwards.

>>34582593
bakelite, objectively the worst widely used polymer, has held up pretty well.

>>34581869
I shattered a Lancer mag. I've also shattered grip scales off a Ruger MkII.

>>34582191
Yes. Build quality and trigger quality is a little better and the 455's quick change barrel system hurts accuracy.

>>34581739

I'm with you anon, if it has a wood stock it should be all metal elsewhere.

>>34581767


If I bought a fudds gun I want it to be truly a fudd gun. It's not any worse at all other than aesthetics and feel.. like the reason you bought a gun with a wood stock in the first place. I have no issue with plastic aftermarket but it needs to come steel.

>>34581787

Not quality modern plastics

>>34581739
Fuck I remember working at Cabela's and all fudds would do is bitch about plastic magazines on tikkas and xbolts.

>>34581855
>Bending over shattering which is more durable?
Even though one of the selling points if polymer is its ability to flex without shattering or being bent out of shape...

>>34582612
I snapped a 4 foot steel breaker bar on an over torqued hub nut.

So what?

>>34582611
>bakelite
>objectively worse than vulcanite
Lel no.

And yeah it has held up pretty well.

File: 1489920715848.jpg (193KB, 2709x1844px) Image search: [Google]

193KB, 2709x1844px

>>34581739
>>34581784
>>34581811

>>34581894
Good luck making it through life without it, unless of course you wanna move out to a cabin in Montana where you can shitpost on the Internet without plastic

>>34582652
Vulcanite is just vulcanized rubber though

>>34582641
Well think about it for a second. Bolt action is severely outdated. If one is buying an outdated firearm he does not want modern materials shitting it up.

Why is that so hard to understand?

>>34582658
I live on a bloody farm in Serbia.

>>34582648
I'm trying to point out the retards itt that say one material is vastly superior to the other under all circumstances 100% of the time are contrarian assholes speaking in fallacious absolutes solely to start an argument.

Also I've never snapped a breaker bar but I have bent several beyond usability. Split rims suck.>>34582648

>>34582683
So you're saying that you eat plastic on a daily basis. Got it.

>>34582660
Still a polymer.

>>34582683
I'm sorry to hear that anon

File: IMG_8902.jpg (117KB, 898x628px)

117KB, 898x628px

>>34581954
>>34581992
Wow. The Croatians were right all along.

>>34581739
ugly fudd shit just get Daniel Defense AR

>>34582625
They use the exact same trigger system. Also tolerances on the 455 action are tighter than the 452 machinery allowed. You are full of shit

>>34581822
The bakelite magizine for the ak was used in the 60s and i believe thr mp40 has plastic used above the grip and trigger assembly. While not a magizine its completely capable of being used to make one

>>34581739
My CZ 455 UltraMatch came with a 10 round steel mag, and im sure it probably fits that rifle too.

>>34581862
>All you do is build a machine that bends sheet metal precisely how you want it. You could probably produce metal magazines faster in a properly equipped factory than polymer magazines.

t. knows absolutely nothing about manufacturing

>>34581739
You realize they make both polymer and steel mags for them right?

Source: I've got two 10 round polymer and six 5 round steel mags for my 455.

File: m1910.jpg (206KB, 1599x1199px) Image search: [Google]

206KB, 1599x1199px

>>34582222
>The originals had wood grips, or bone, or pretty much anything but plastic which was invented 30 years after the SAA you fucking DIPSHIT.
No. This is incorrect. The hard rubber grips were a stock configuration for that gun, as with other guns from that era.

>>34581784
>turkish walnut
Maybe an exoskeleton magazine would fit better, no?

>>34582683
Still using the Internet aren't ya...

>>34581739
ugly fudd shit who buys these retarded wood crap

File: IMG_2933.jpg (2MB, 3704x2581px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 3704x2581px

>>34581739
Love my 455. Calm your inner fudd, OP

>>34582683
Me too, in the US of Iowa. Sat interweb works ok.

File: CZ550375H&Hmag.png (39KB, 1070x713px) Image search: [Google]

39KB, 1070x713px

gib CZ pls

>>34582227
I had a 452 Special. It had that turned down stock. It was a nice gun but the stock made it hard to use with a scope. If I was going to buy a new manual .22lr I'd buy one of those straight pulls that fit the magpul 10/22 stocks. They only take metal mags as far as I know.