Okay hear me out /k/. What if for 1 year we gave the antis that

>>34573205
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>>34573205
How about for one year we hang all traitors to the constitution. After one year we can rest easy knowing people who shit on the constitution are burning in hell. Does that work for you?

SHALL

>>34573210
Hence the sunset clause, that way it will end at the end of the year.

>>34573226
A lot of things violate it and this is a solution to the eternal hate the "left" seems to have for the 2A. The legal equivalent of letting the enemy in only to surround and destroy them.

>>34573205
>all of the assault weapons are still on the streets!
>everyone was still selling guns on the black market!

fucking retarded idea, OP

your mistake is thinking that these people operate under any sort of logic. the statistics ALREADY support our argument. you're not going to "prove" anything to these people because their endgame is complete confiscation regardless of what statistics show

>>34573246
You are wrong on this. I refuse to believe people just do things for the sake of it against evidence when it comes to firearms.

>>34573205
They'll never overturn it. Even if the original lawmakers themselves are gunned down by 100% illegal firearms they will never do it.

You're under the assumption that they utilize a logical approach to create these laws. The entirety of their argument is based off of feelings and sensationalist reactions, not data and logic.

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>>34573205
>How about we set the wheels of socialist authoritarian government in high gear and give the power-hungry over-reacting practical brown coats exactly what they want
>Then after a year we'll just reverse it lol
>What is there to lose haha?

Antifa git

But the states where lefties have the greatest gun control already have the most crime, just use those states statistics OP.

>>34573205
Literally the regions controlled by the Antis where they have imposed almost every law they want short of an outright ban have the worst gun crime statistics out of any other place.

When will you learn that logic and facts don't apply to these people, just the amount of blood gushing from your heart.

>>34573205
Wait one month, the pass bill that removes sunset clause, now guns are gone forever...

Thanks OP

>>34573257
I bet you believe the king of Somalia really wants to give you $1000000, too. just send him your bank account info
>I refuse to believe
no matter how much you "refuse to believe," these people don't care about statistics and they don't give a shit what's in the constitution
The statistics for this already exist: IL, MD, CA all have the worst gun laws in the country and yet they're still the murder capitols of the US

You will never convince these people because even after all the guns are confiscated and crime is at an all-time high, they will still laugh in your face because you're a "crazy gun nut" and they got to fuck you out of something you love.

>>34573257
Yes they do

Take a fucking moment to educate yourself on Diane Feinstiens entire campaign against guns. Everything down to the lack of evidence to the blatant ignorance of the topic shows that they have always had ulterior motoves for doing this.

In Feinsteins case, it was to promote her political career and of her cronies by attacking a vulnerable part of American society. They made the topic of guns a bipartisan one, which ultimately spelled doom for our rights. Since many gun owners at the time were massive fudds, and companies like Ruger and Smith and Wesson were helping the effort to ban "assault rifles" since they didnt sell any at the time, our rights were stripped away from us before we could even have a say. It was always their intention to do this, and even now many lawmakers couldn't care less since they are always surrounded by armed bodyguards.

>>34573270
It doesn't have to be overturned if you have a sunset clause like the 94 AWB

>>34573287
>>34573298
The issue is the states next to them don't have strict laws as well. Once they do too then the source of illegal non lawful guns ends.

>>34573257
People often have opinions, that are not supported by facts. Hell, if you were confronted with a new topic, that you never heard of before, you would act put of reflex/emotion, too. But it needs a smart and strong person to admitt this weakness and overthink ones poor decisions

>>34573311
The issue isn't laws in states, the issue is laws of physics. It's not difficult to use rapidly expanding gases to propel a small metal object down a tube at high velocities. So long as that is true, people will make firearms.

>>34573303
>>34573304
Then this proposal will be the silver bullet to their arguments.

>>34573315
But people can;t make laws on feeling/opinions. Only fact.


Guys, I'm on your side. I like guns as much as you do and jut want to find a solution.

>>34573205
>we gather statistics on gun crime

Does the Second Amendment say anything about gun crime? No? Then shut the fuck up.

I don't give a shit if a million people died from guns a year. SHALL. NOT. INFRINGE. It's no different than alcohol or anything else. This is not a fucking debate; it's God given authority.

>>34573304

Feinstein was also pissed that a co-worker capped that faggot Harvey Milk with a gun, so she's had a fetish for it her entire life. Her entire career was based on women emotions; muh vagina, muh gay friend, muh workplace violence.

>>34573270
>The entirety of their argument is based off of feelings and sensationalist reactions, not data and logic.
this
go search "the shoulder thing that goes up"
Nothing these people do is dictated by logic. they don't know what they're banning and they don't know why. They just know they're getting political points and they thoroughly enjoy the schadenfreude they get when they fuck you out of something that you, the "crazy republican gun nut" love

They don't want to solve any problems. They see you as the "other" and they want to destroy anything you enjoy

>>34573205
No.

Signed,
Australia.

>>34573311
Read >>34573302

You don't know how lawmakers are OP. They do things out of pure spite ALL THE TIME, EVERY DAY. If I wanted to get a little "Alex Jones-y" about it, I would say they're doing it to destablize the country in order to make it easier to control, just like California.

>>34573331
>But people can;t make laws on feeling/opinions. Only fact.
Says who? Find me a statute to back that up.

>>34573331
>Then this proposal will be the silver bullet to their arguments.
No, it won't because they IGNORE facts. that's what we're trying to tell you.
the statistics already exist to support our argument.
By going full gun confiscation (because that is what it will take to "convince them), you open the door for them to say "well one year wasn't enough to collect enough data" and "well it took over a year and a half to collect all the guns, so the study starts *now*"

None of what they do is dictated by logic or research.

Barrel shroud bans, flash hider bans, magazine bans, etc. have NEVER had an impact on murder rates and yet they still exist because the aim is not to make the population safer; it is a slow dismantling of the second amendment because a disarmed populace is easier to control. The endgame is not safety, so an argument predicated on "see banning guns made us unsafe" will fall on deaf ears to them.

>>34573331
>cant make laws based on feelings
basically, thats what started the whole judicial system - the need for justice, the fear of being treated wrong, being killed. Basic needs expressed in human needs.

>cant make laws based on opinions
well, kiddo, you can and you do. that is the reason you have republicans and democrats - because people have different opinions, that contribute to the laws in a country, by voting

>>34573331
>But people can;t make laws on feeling/opinions. Only fact.
The lawmaker that banned barrel shrouds was asked to define a barrel shroud
their response was "the shoulder thing that goes up"

almost every gun law has been passed exactly the same way

>>34573311
>Once they do too then the source of illegal non lawful guns ends
>Illegal non lawful guns
>Illegal
>Non Lawful

You know you can effectively make a "gun" from a short trip to Home Depot, right?

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>>34573353
Fucking this.

>>34573246
This. This is correct

>>34573331
Ok
You want a solution? I'll give you one:

1. Respect the constitution

Thats it. I've seen this kind of argument before applied to free speech, OP. Many of the fucking drones on Twitter and Reddit constantly clamor for the eradication of so called "hate speech" which is by definition also free speech.
I understand that these are just online forums essentially, but there are constant efforts to destroy the lives of anyone who expresses dissent of any form on these websites.

Thats not even covering the so called "non-constitutional zones" that have popped up from time to time during things like UN meetings and such.

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>>34573210

>>34573205
If gun grabbers cared about facts, they wouldn't be gun grabbers

>>34573205
>ITT: People who don't know what a sunset clause or compromise is

>>34573205
What would this accomplish?
They'll just come up with yet another dumbass excuse about why every law abiding man woman and child should be disarmed.

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>>34573205
>statistics

We got those under the Obama Administration when he was trying to crack down on the ASSALDT RIFLES and the growing problem of 'white on black crime'. We also haven't gotten such a comprehensive list since then because it didn't meet their agenda.

>https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_15_justifiable_homicide_by_weapon_private_citizen_2009-2013.xls

>https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_14_justifiable_homicide_by_weapon_law_enforcement_2009-2013.xls

>https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2009-2013.xls

>https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_11_murder_circumstances_by_weapon_2013.xls

>https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-20/table_20_murder_by_state_types_of_weapons_2013.xls

>https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

>https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/

>What is there to lose?

Our rights as American Citizens.

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How about instead we tie gun rights to abortion rights or the right to gay marriage?
No guns = No abortion.
That would make the screaming feminazis a reason to actually stop and think and make bible thumpers less obnoxious.

>>34573455
>ITT: OP doesn't understand the limitations of a Sunset Clause and the scope of exactly what he's proposing.

>>34573243

go piss somewhere else you tard boy libby

why not 1 year of ZERO GUN LAWS and see what happens then ?

>>34573503
>why not 1 year of ZERO GUN LAWS and see what happens then ?
>every felon now has access to full auto rifles/smgs and hand grenades

Really got my steak gravyed

>>34573243
How did those sunset clauses work with the patriot act yeah fuck yourself with a cactus

>>34573519
>Every felon now has access to full auto rifles/smgs and hand grenades

BUT

>Everybody now has full auto rifles/smgs and hand grenades
>Can't even get a couple shots off without getting return fire from some fucking direction

Sure there'd be a lot of homicides and even suicides, negligent or otherwise

But let's be honest here the outcome would be a lot better than what OP proposed.

>>34573205
>giving up your rights for any length of time

Fuck off shill

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>>34573205
>Okay hear me out /k/.
Alright, I'm reading.
>What if for 1 year we gave the antis that laws they want to impose for guns
How about for one year straight you go fuck yourself in the ass with a rusty tent spike.

>>34573392
Check out the spread of the 4 winds

>>34573205
We already did that back in '94. The data was pretty conclusive.

>implying people would agree to ban guns even if a ban was proven to work perfectly

With the amount of illegals guns and ammo that would be in circulation, a single year is probably much to short to show that such measures don't work. You'd need a much longer period to drain the numbers down before that'd be possible.

Should there be a sharp decline in people killed within the year on the other hand, then this suggests that a full ban would be effective even in the short term. Time to make it permanent.

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>>34573226
Now this man right here know's what the fuck he is talking about.

>>34573226
>whu-bu-- why are we only hanging state representatives from the Southern states?
>Why are we only hanging police officers from Southern states?
>Why are we hanging senior CIA officials?
>we were supposed to hang gun grabbers!
Turns out the constitution is more than the 2nd amendment
There's also the 1st, 4th, 5th, 13th, 14th, and 15th, none of which anyone South of Alexandria gives a shit about