Then and Now - Handguns

>>34562399
Springfield memeface and Kimber need to drop. Otherwise still breddy good

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>>34562399

>>34562399
Glock to high or mid
CZ-75 down to mid
BHP down to high
1911 down to mid
USP to top
XD to low
M&P to mid
Not really sure what the P7 is doing there
K-9 goes to shit
Kel-tec goes to shit

Take the Raven, the Grendel, and the Taurus off the list completely and its fixed. This last part is the most important desu

>>34562449
also drop block

>>34562399
I've handled four of those pistols, so I will just compensate and use knowledge I've gained from /k/ to reorganize the list accordingly.

>mixing calibers
>mixing steel with polymer

Shit list from the start, apply yourself.

Userbase here back then seemed a lot more willing to make content like this. Nowadays people just shitpost and act like bitter cunts. What happened?

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>>34562603

smartphones generation, kids got lazy as fuck

>>34562603
It's just someone's shitty uninformed opinion put into for of image.

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>>34562399

/k/ doesn't need to push any more hivemind opinions. Let's drop those and shitposting for discussion and content.

God forbid this place becomes /o/.

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>hi point not shit tier

>>34562669
if it's all someone can afford then it's perfectly adequate

>>34562399
USP 9 in a new "God Tier"

>tfw Duke and LawMan not making shit-on-revolvers anymore
>tfw Gurl not showing her fits and being a general whore anymore
>tfw you will never see an LMJ radio thread again

Just fucking kill me senpai.

>>34562669
there is virtually nothing wrong with hi-point

>>34562603
Sandy.

>>34562603
Sandy Hook primarily, the most recent election reinforced it.

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>>34562399
>hi-point c9 above hk vp-70

>>34562466
>CZ-75 down to mid

CZ fag here. Im sufficiently triggered.

>>34562399
You know a picture is bait when you see a H&K VP70 lower than a HiPoint.

>>34562786
To be fair, the VP-70[Z] is pretty much just a Hi Point that costs three to four times more and has a crappier trigger.

>>34562817
This, I'd also say the VP70 has one of the worst finishes I've ever seen on a handgun.

>>34562399
Looking back on it...
>lol at cz75. hi-power, and colt in top tier
>XD is low, M&P and p7 are mid tier
>Makarov was always shit tier

Most of the rest I can see even if it's not where I would have put them

>>34562783
>>34562770
wait so ur saying the guy who used to make all the images and memes and stuff here is the dude who shot up sandy hook?

>>34563017
>being intentionally dense
here's your (you), now fuck off and jump off a bridge

>>34563027
thx

>>34562449
>anything springfield
>2017

NOPE

>>34562706
I always wondered what happened to Duke/Douk.

Also who was that other tripfag chick, has some kind of slav name. She posed with a deagle topless but covering her tits, then some more nudes apparently came out and she was gone.

>Makarov PM

no such thing exists, a PM does though.


but not a Makarov pistol makarov.

>>34562699
Usp 9mm with the reduced recoil system is pretty amazing

The usp45 also has about as much recoil as any other normal 9mm

Just dont expect to spend under $1000 for one and dont expect it to be compact

>>34563056
This, springfields suck based off my 1 shitty one that broke fresh from the factory. Never again imho

>>34563085
I saw Duke at a couple nuggetfests. He's actually a pretty cool guy in person. He'll probably be at the nest one in Stover, MO.

Beretta 92 needs to get on there

>>34562668
That place is slow but the quality is a lot higher

High Power is no where near high tier.

>mag disconnect
>bunch of other useless safeties

>>34562669
Hi-Point actually should be a solid mid tier. Hi-Points are really good considering the price point. The only real reasons not to like them are as follows.

>Weight
Not an issue for home defense

>Cheaply made
yeah, but they are cheaply sold too

>Capacity
Only arguable complaint, but carries more than a revolver and that is all you can really ask for in a semi-auto as cheap as a Hi-Point

>Reliability
Really is not an issue. Just watch the feed lips on the magazines and you are golden.

>>34563202
>mag disconnect
Literally removed in seconds.
>>bunch of other useless safeties
Correct me if I'm wrong, but how is a frame-mounted safety "a bunch of other useless safeties"? Surely you wouldn't be trying to talk about something you don't know anything about, right?

>>34562399
No Glock deserves the top tier
Springfield XD shouild be swapped with the Beretta 92
Kimber should swap with Ruger P95
Hi Point should move up to mid teir

>4 heavy full-sized relics
>Top-tier
>XD
>M&P
>High-tier
2010 /k/ was apparently retarded.

>>34563181
No, it isn't. It's just as bad.

In what universe is a Glock above a P7?
The P7 is one of the most highly engineered, beautiful guns ever. Glocks are utilitarian and go bang.

>>34563331
Don't forget about removing the powder coat from the free ramp, and points of contact between the slide and frame.

>>34562644
Do we have a higher res pic of this? I want to know the other "pistol" on the left

CZ IS A GOD TIER PISTOL WHY TF ARE YOU GUYS HATING ON CZ!

Fuck me i feel betrayed :(

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>>34563429
Its always been retarded.
[spoiler] and still is [/spoiler]

>>34563120
Disregarding their build quality, nobody should buy Springfield after they put profits over everyone's right's and donated to/cut backroom deals with gun grabbers for exemptions.

>>34562399
The P7 meme gun is so rare it shouldn't even feature on the list. From the shootability it should be in mid-tier. The Walther P99 should at least be in high tier. Also what a shitty 2017 list is that? No, CZ P10C, no VP9, no PPQ, no P320, no APX... Are you even trying?

>>34563499
>This is from /k/ in 2010.
can you read?

>>34563479
>spot the phoneposter
open the picture in a new tab, go to the URL and remove the m before the file extension

>>34562399
I think I still only own a beretta 92. Not much has changed.

Gun goals are to get a CZ 75 and a P10c
Whenever P10s are available :-(

>>34563508
Top Tier: CZ-P10C, Walther PPQ, SIG P320, H&K P30, CZ Shadow 2
High Tier: H&K VP9, Beretta APX, CZ 75 SP-01
Medium Tier: SIG P226, Glocks, S&W M&P 2.0, Beretta M92F, Browning HP, Makarov, Springfield XD, Jericho 941
Shit Tier: Bersa Thunder, SCCY CPX, Remington R51, Remington RP, Rock Island 1911s, everything made by Taurus

>>34562399
First of all, Shit Tier should be reserved specifically for guns that have reliability issues.

Pistols like the VP70, while having a horrendous trigger, is not a bad pistol. It's reliable and gets the job done. So right off the bat that should be knocked up to at least Low Tier.

Sig should be moved down to High. Beretta 92 should move up to High.

>>34562644
Why would you ever buy the RIA 206 over the Rossi 461, according to this image? It's the same price but the Rossi can handle both .357 and .38, while the RIA can only handle .38?

>>34563789

At that barrel length, there's no relevant ballistic difference between .38+P and .357. Also aesthetics and not being brazilshit.

>>34562801

I had a TZ-75. No complaints. I'd say it shot more accurately (or fit my hand better?) than two SIG's I've had, two Glocks and a Springfield XD-s.

>>34563789
>Why would you ever buy the RIA 206 over the Rossi 461, according to this image?
.357 out of a snubby barrel is one of the most wasteful applications of a cartridge in the entire realm of firearms. You may as well just shoot .38 and save a few pennies per round, because you're getting virtually identical performance out of a 2" barrel.

>>34562668
The problem with /o/ is 50% of the posters are shitposting eurofags who either drive a shitbox, or don't even have a fucking car because they can't afford to drive one. It's a weird form of Stockholm Syndrome where they defend all the restrictions, and lack of ability to have anything nice(unless you're rich) because they know whey never will drive something nice. /k/ would be the same way if every gun were legal there, but required a €5,000 license, and even the cheapest guns cost thousands more.

>>34564056
> shitposting eurofags who either drive a shitbox, or don't even have a fucking car because they can't afford to drive one
I'm pretty sure these are the mouth-breathers who turned /n/ into a perpetual cycling wankfest.

>>34562603
This really isn't good content.
That aside, just 1-2ish years ago among tried to do exactly this (surprisingly less retardedly, though. They did stuff like make separate lists for different handgun sizes and there might have been a separate list for steel framed handguns as well)
In short, it never really definitively went anywhere because it's goddamn impossible and retarded to try to quantify something as subjective as taste in firearms, especially handguns as if you were listing chinese technicolor magic robot cartoons.
People just fought and fought, many different versions were made and it just seemed to peter out at some point. Perhaps all those involved became ashamed of it .
We can only hope.

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my shitty opinion based on what I had chance to shoot

>>34564056
>a growing number of shitposting eurofags
Anymore, this seems to a growing problem on most board. Between them, the aussies, the slavs, the dune coons and the chinks they're slowly turning /k/ into /int/.

>>34562644
Funny how the SCCY makes the list as a $250 gun but at $169 eveyone takes a shit on it.

why does everyone hate kimber? I love mine its great.

>>34563632
>beresa thunder in shit tier
What's wrong with it?

>>34564902
switch CZ with bhp and that's perfect

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>>34562399
>Hipoint not in the shit tier section

>>34562399
>no Luger p1

How am I suppose to emulate my Japanese cartoons?

>>34562399
Swap the xd for the 92

>>34563181
/o/ is worse. I used to crosspost but abandoned it years ago. I check up on it every few months but cant even bring myself to refresh page 1 before giving up.

>>34563632
M&P 2.0 is High Tier

>>34565452
So...switch the old model with the new, improved version of the same thing?

Fucking retards.

>>34565212
Post round count.

>>34565633
I thought this meme was dead, haven't seen it in years.
Next thing you know that retarded haunted vz58 meme will return

>>34563331
I second this. With recent developments of the gun being near indestructible I'd say it's easily a mid tier consumer handgun

>>34565755
>a straight blowback with a slide weight of 12 niggertons is as indestructible as the rock it strongly resembles.
Did anyone really doubt their durability in the first place?

>>34565782
I think durability plays into it's reliability. Again I'm not saying it's a fantastic gun, but I don't think it's worth it's meme throne of being the worst fucking handgun on Earth.

>>34562399
>sig p226
gonna buy one soon!

Piss on it all you want but CZ-75B is easily the best metal full-sized service pistol ever created. I've handled many pistols, but I can truly trust a CZ no matter what happens. Hell, one of mine was in the house during a fire which burnt the entire floor down. It still is better than any glock I've handled. Also that happened 15 years ago. I got two and they are both older than 25 years.

>>34565817
Oh I wasn't badmouthing it, they are pretty damn reliable once you break in the mags provided the mags aren't shit from the factory. Even then you can often fix them with some fiddling

>>34563479
It's a PPS-43

>>34565476
because they aren't, you newfag.

Highpoints are shit, but they make up for that by being so cheap. And most of them run pretty damn well. I own several.

Say what you will, but I enjoy having a gun so cheap that I don't care about its well being. Put a round in the pipe, throw it behind the toilet and forget about it.

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>>34563088
>buying a Пиcтoлeт with only one Maкapoвa
Get a load of this блять.

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>>34562399
>M&P and XD above a Beretta 92.
We just going to act retarded now?

>>34566914
springfields are fucking garbage pistols. Their triggers actuate SO far to the rear that you need manlet hands to use them. And the grip safety is disgusting, it locks the slide closed unless you're gripping it perfectly.

That and springfield is a shitty company in general, for their IL debacle.

I think this board has really developed since 2010, that OP's pic seems a little dumb.

>>34562399
Glock 21 moved to Shit Tier
Browning Hi-Power moved to Mid Tier
Springfield memeface movedto Shit Tier
Hi-Point C-9 moved to Top Tier since it outperformed the Glock
Walther P99 moved to Top Tier

>>34562399
I've never heard any complaints about walther except for the mag release

>>34562603
We get more OC gun pics than we know what to do with and cool stories at least once per month
WTF are you talking about

>>34563632
>Mak med tier
>RIA 1911 shit tier

Ha, so you know nothing besides memes.

>>34562399
Not a single revolver on this list anywhere? Fuck that shit.

>>34562399
That list was a joke in 2010 too. Who put the fucking Beretta Tomcat next to the Raven?

>>34563632
That whole list is so god damn awful I am not even going to bother.

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>>34567102
>springfields are fucking garbage pistols. Their triggers actuate SO far to the rear that you need manlet hands to use them. And the grip safety is disgusting, it locks the slide closed unless you're gripping it perfectly.
>That and springfield is a shitty company in general, for their IL debacle.

This.

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>>34562399
definitively fixed

>>34571481
>you will never get to "fight the patriarchy" by having rough anal sex with chloe camilla
Why do I even go on living this pathetic charade of a life?

>>34563113
I picked up my usp9 for $700 with a few boxes of ammo... Granted my lgs was having a 10% off "used" gun sale (thing was untouched with factory grease, some collector offloaded his whole HK lot)

I drove up the road to Gander Mountain before making the purchase because I knew they had a usp as well...
>$999 price tag
>finish wear all over
>cheeto finger evident grips
>turn 540 degrees and walk out
>go back to lgs and buy immaculate usp for $300 less

They ARE out there, just takes some luck i guess.

With the usp you will also find that 45-70 isn't just a cool big bore caliber, but also the price range for magazines.

>sheeeiiit

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>>34562399
>XD
>High tier
Yeah, no. Swap it with the P99 and we'll talk.

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>>34562466
>CZ-75 down to mid

>>34562399
> Glock 17
> Glock 35
> CZ 75
> Ruger 686 6"
For an Ausfag I think I'm doing OK

>>34563085
i think m1agirl took the nudes that ended up on /s/

>>34563967
but muh 150fps

>>34563967
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27wDLjY5JSs

>>34571942
>XD high tier
>CZ low
you are the worst kind of retarded

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We looking at old infographics?

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>>34573290

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>>34573295
I've been here way too goddamn long... But that's beside the point: these might be in need of a few new points. Or even a new page.

>>34562449

I agree on all points with this edit

>>34571942

Replace the Key ten with a Polish P64.

>>34562669

i went to the range the other day with a hi point that i was given 10 months ago and my hi power (gen. 2. FN)

i went through about 400 rounds of 9mm. 2 FTFs for the hi power, zero for the hi point.

they both are fairly heavy, and both diminish recoil well, but the hi point is actually kind of incredible in this regard

it looks absolutely disgusting. the hi power is my favorite aesthetic handgun.

i used to use the hi power as my office defense gun but i just changed to my hi point, though...i just don't show it to anyone.

>true story

>>34573732

Sorry, 2 FTEs...that would have been horrible if they were FTFs...

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>>34571942
Thanks for moving the Ruger up a tier. I have used and carried the P89DC for many years, and I regard it as dependable and of very good quality. It has never given me any problems regardless of ammo, and I find the negative comments about it to be absurd.

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>>34562399
>fud 1911 above m9 or usp
this place

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>>34567439
oh look out we have a glock hating retard here

High tier:
Owning guns

Shit tier:
Being no funs

The debate is settled

>>34571942
>CZ in low tier

Here's your (you).

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>>34567439

>>34562644
>recommending Sootch
literally a shill

>>34567102
>this board has really developed since 2010
This; people say we were "nicer" and "calmer" and "more open-minded" but we were actually a bunch of fudds that all came in with our personal convictions on weapons accumulated from all over the internet and were only so "nice" because we were too new to have come to a consensus on anything as a group. As cultures develop they become less open, this is a given, but by being what is likely the fastest gun discussion forum on the internet we've cut through a lot of fuddlore over the years.

>>34562603
>Old /b/ was better syndrome

People make OC and have discussion all the time, its just summer right now.

>>34562449
>>34562473
These two anons are correct.

>tfw own two top tier pistols, P226 and Hi Power

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>>34571986
>tfw none of us will ever have a short haired qt who's up for wild, perverted, sex
Why even live?

Also...
>tfw you don't organize your shit and can't find most of your old infographics

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>>34575994
>>tfw none of us will ever have a short haired qt who's up for wild, perverted, sex
>Why even live?

I did... once...

>>34563485
>finish wears off
Nothing personnel, kid

>>34563056
>>34563120
>>34563495
Remember when they sent damage control shills to /k/, and reddit and a bunch of other gun forums?

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>Mosins used to cost $70
>Makarovs and Nagants used to cost $150
>SKSes used to cost $200
>CZ75s used to cost $350
>AK parts kits used to cost $250
>M16A1 parts kits used to cost $300

>>34563113
>Just dont expect to spend under $1000 for one

You can get brand new standard model USPs for around $800 all day, every day.

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>>34576504

>>34575077
He might get "free" T&E guns (which are likely carefully selected specimens prepared by the company), and he does have sponsorships and "10% off" coupon codes at various vendors, but Sootch will reliably do the same set of things on every gun "review:"
- Field strip
- Slow, tight shot of trigger pull, identifying phases of the trigger
- Trigger weight measurement with a method that is internally consistent with the rest of his content
- Grouping 5 shots 7 yards standing slowfire for pistols (he has a rifle test of similar nature, I'm too lazy to go look it up)
- Overview of manual of arms
- Firing segments
- Reading the official literature
- Parroting the company's sales points
- Expressing confidence that aforementioned sales points are true
- Maintaining a clean presentation that is easily digestible

It may be easier to just watch a Sootch review instead of seek out the company's sales literature in order to form an initial impression of a product. It is important to understand that his videos aren't really reviews, because he doesn't really have an opinion. It's also important to understand that he doesn't extensively test the guns to failure, or do the "torture test" thing. Occasionally, he will outright get something wrong or forget to include information. I still think the videos give you just slightly more information than you might get by going to a gun show and chatting with the sales rep for any given booth about one of their guns. The videos also have the benefit of being available for future watching if needed.

>>34562603
>here's a list of opinions I pulled out of my ass pls respect and upboat
>content
Pick one

>>34574298
Kek

>>34562466
This is objectively correct

>>34562399
The Taurus PT series should be moved up.

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>>34571942
>USP
>top tier

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>>34576643
>ywn get to buy a crate of mosin nagants and use it as a hipster coffee table

>>34565633
>breaks slide stops
>improved version
Pick one

I have $900, which .45 should I get? I think I want a full size, but I dunno.

>>34581045

FN FNX-45

Where does the CZ P10C stand?

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>>34562399
As someone with no right to bear arms, I think you should treat every gun as a precious tool of self defense. Do not take any of them for granted, just because they look ugly or aren't perfect.

God bless you America. Every last one of you.

>>34562399
It was b8 back then. Same as now. And there were dozens of tier macros all done by individual autistists.

>>34580500
>known example with over 297 thousand rounds shot through it with no parts breakages
>somehow not on a whole new Übermensch tier


>"If you wanna hear something about how tough these guns are. We had a USP45 come in a few months ago. It was sent to us by Federal Ammunition Company. They wanted us to replace anything needed and evaluate the weapon. To be honest all of the parts on the gun looked original except we could tell they had put newer recoil springs in it. The gun was date coded in the 90's and looked like it had been shot A LOT. So me and the other guys got curious an gave Federal a call asking what the round count was... We gave the lady the serial # and a few keyboard strokes later she says

>Are you guys sitting down?

>297,000+

>Then he says "yeah I can't remember the last 3 digits but I'll never forget the first three"


The USP (an mk23 as well) are on a complete cut of their own.

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>>34575208
>>Old /b/ was better syndrome
>having the "it's summer on 4chin nao" syndrome

>>34563331
They are also pretty ugly

>>34562399
well since then everyone thinks they're a competition shooter so apparently the only thing that matters is low bore axis half pound triggers

>>34575208
>implying the whole summer/k/ and day/k/are shit is even a thing post SandyVag
It's all we have now, day or night, snow or shine.