Middle East Thread "WWW-entertainment EDITION"

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The General command of the army and the armed forces invites the citizens of the palliative region, the the area and the the area in the east aleppo countryside to return to their homes and farms after the expulsion of ISIS terrorist and restore security and safety to those areas.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/15/world/middleeast/iran-iraq-iranian-power.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

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Regime backed by Russia is using helicopters in their offensive against rebels in the Syrian desert.

HTS claims it successfully infiltrated military port of Al-Minat Al-Bayda & set off a car bomb inside.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trqE64Cedfs


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/27/world/middleeast/iraqi-toll-road-national-highway-iran.html


Iraq intelligence services confirm ISIS group leader Abu baker al-Baghdadi is still alive and in Syria.

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http://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/b6158a99-dce6-493e-9a54-bf6dda696fac

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"everlasting" means that endless.
The eternal between the beginning and the end.
Everlasting, which is not an end.
These words are the most accurate language in describing the dimensions of the beginning and the end.

>Breaking : T 2 is under control of SAA heroes , ISIS devastated and burn party continues as RuAF rain hell from the skies

https://twitter.com/Elly_Ammar/status/879678149998542848

https://youtu.be/YnBxruE3kpo

Is this a TOW (or Iranian TOW copy)?

>>34562290
ok

>>34568401
Launch sound is right.
Flare color looks right.
Flight profile looks wrong but that might be angle/range.

Could be a TOW, could be something else.

Washington Post claims UAE is behind the hacking that put Qatar in the shit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/uae-hacked-qatari-government-sites-sparking-regional-upheaval-according-to-us-intelligence-officials/2017/07/16/00c46e54-698f-11e7-8eb5-cbccc2e7bfbf_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_usqatar-640pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.b21a2ab818ac

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUOyrs7At9k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISLjAh3jyMI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO76bOqr-_k

>>34562847
>Still seeing Hinds.

I would've hoped to see more of the KA-52 and Mi-28. Frankly I'm surprised that the Su-34 was more than just another tech demonstrator.

>>34562847
I can never get over the fact that the coaxial rotor design is viable for attack helicopters.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtMu9T-MMqI

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>>34573987

>desert gypsy fucking shits getting closer to DeZ

Kurd genocide when?

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>>34573987
Fucking blows my mind that those poor bastards at DeZ are still holding out. How long have they been cut off for now?

>>34576038
3 or 4 eternities now.

>>34575672

Are those camo TIGHTS?

>>34576038

They are led by Major General Zahreddine. I am not particularly awed by Syrian officers but that guy could have held Tobruk. Seriously, he's the Zhukov of this war.

>>34576207
Tight pants, tight groupings.

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>>34575672
skinny jeans in camo?

>>34573987
>>34576038
>>34576340
That moment where the Coalition-backed Kurds/SDF(?) are likely to be in range of DeZ before the SAA.
>can't send forces across the Euphrates, SyAF/RuAF will airstrike anything that does so
Artillery range, then. And there's always standoff munitions.

Still, it's worrisome. With the fall of Daesh's capital of Raqqa on horizon, the Islamic State is in need of one fuck of a victory to maintain their legitimacy. I'm predicting several metric fucktons of insurgents pouring down into DeZ.

>>34576340
What are the chances that Assad is letting him die on the vine so that the general can't threaten his hold on power later on?

>>34580764
Competence is a dangerous quality in Arab nations.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeOXbaSf01o

>>34580764

The General is a Druze. Tiny minority group which was almost annihilated in the period after WW2 and lost what political power it had. And he is halfway outcast from even his own people. I really can't see either of the major political or religious factions embrace him. He is still a good 'neutral' choice for important administrative or military positions but as a politician he'd be an officer without troops.

>>34568401
Doesn't physically show the launcher so zero way to tell. The Iranian TOW copies seem to have a glossy green finish with some yellow bands on the legs.

>>34576340
Lel don't compare this guy to real men of valour. Yes I'm sure he's competent, but his cult of Facebook personality is super inflated.

>>34584444

I compare him to Zhukov because he has been moved from one key hot spot to another, just like Zukhov. Beyond that I know only that he is decent at what he is doing, and leads from the front lines. All I know of Facebook is that it is a pox upon our world.

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>/k/land

https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/885780973383757826

>>34584514
Has he? He started in Damascus, then went to DeZ for a long ass time, then if I'm not mistaken went to Hasakah and failed, and then went back and stayed in DeZ

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A10 conducting Raqqa strikes.

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>>34585322

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Yes, that's a BAR

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http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/exclusive-bannon-kushner-want-to-outsource-afghanistan-to-mercenaries/

>>34585322
>>34585334

i gotta reinstall DCS

>>34585383
Thats some mad max shit.


I like it.

>>34585334
ditzy daisy sounds gwy

>>34586187
*gay

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ISIS Hunters

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>>34587160

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>>34587176

>>34587160
do they hunt for isis or do they hunt isis?

i recall some screenshots i have seen here, a twitter from kurds with a pic of some kurd girl with a rifle and a reply twitter from isis with a body of some dead kurd female soldier and a feet of an isis fighter in slippers stepping on it

I wasn't around when the Qatar/Saudi stuff was going down, would anyone be able to give me a basic rundown? E.g. Real reasons behind it ("terrorism" lol), what everyone is trying to achieve etc....

Cheers

>>34588579
I know this isn't what you wanted, but this entirely details the scrap https://soundcloud.com/war_college/in-qatar-and-saudi-arabias-1

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>>34589348
>SCAR with a corset

>>34588579
The more logical sounding rumors is that Qatar is being scapegoated for failures in Syria since the trans-Syrian pipeline was the main motive for them to start up the Syrian civil war is totally not going to happen. With all the possible paths to Europe cockblocked by Syria/Russia, Qatar was stuck.

On top of this, the Chinese are looking to trade delicious Qatari/Iranian gas in Yuan through Iranian pipelines, so there is a cui bono there. While being a lesser deal to having a Qatari owned trans-Syrian pipeline, it is a live option that can be done with minimal building/bullshit.

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>>34591309
>trans-Syrian pipeline conspiracy

>>34562242
Friendly reminder that /sg/>>>>>>>>all of /k/

>>34592551
Mandic >>>>>>>>all of /sg/

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>>34592691

>This

>>34591309
>>34588720
Maybe listen to that instead of some made up pipeline shit

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Now Idlib is lighting up. What happened between HTS and Ahrar al-Sham?

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>>34577905
Smol hitbox

>>34592929
Constant infighting, what else is new. The powers that be have essentially divided to rebel factions into HTS and ahrar Al sham and co. HTS isn't palitable to support, so ahrar Al sham is the new "moderate backed opposition" they can try and put support behind. It's trying to set up the pretext for post war peace talks with AAS being the rebel group at the table. Though HTS is stronger than AAS so I don't see how you can tell HTS to fuck off and dissolve

>>34591554
>>34592901
Funnily enough I was listening to the podcast. I was repeating the pipeline rumors because of that juicy China angle that provides a proper cui bono to the usual Saudi-Qatar rivalry. A resugent Chinese empire stirring shit with deniable false flag attacks in order to weaken the petrodollar system in a bid to build up a petroyuan is an appealing story.

>>34588720
That was really good, thanks for posting it

>>34593466
I found that podcast recently, it's actually very good. Every episode has been spot on with truths and facts.

>>34588579
First of all, every time you hear about Syrian pipelines you know you're hearing some meme based bullshit. Not reality.

This thread and it's mirrors rarely discuss anything that's not related to the Syrian civil war (or the broader Shia-Sunni ME conflict) and so see everything through those glasses. Meanwhile ignoring pivotal events in the ME just because they are not directly connected. As is right, this is /k/ after all.

The conflict between the gulf states and Qatar has been brewing for half a decade.
In simple terms it goes down to Qatar and KSA supporting different Islamist groups.

Qatar is the main state backing the Muslim brotherhood. Until recently other Sunni states didn't really care enough. Things changed during the Arab spring, with the MB seizing power in Egypt.
KSA was happy to work with whomever controlled Egypt and all was still fine. Until the army ousted the MB from power that is. A mini Egyptian civil war followed, with tens of thousands MB members arrested and hundreds to over a thousand sentenced to death.
The organization was outlawed.
MB started the core of what is now the Egyptian Islamist insurgency movements and played a pivotal tole in establishing what would become ISIS in Egypt.

>11,877 were arrested during 2015, 418 in October for alleged Brotherhood membership, according to interior ministry
https://dailynewsegypt.com/2015/10/31/thousands-of-arrests-in-2015-cause-overcrowding-in-cells-nchr/

Egypt's Mass Death Sentencing of 529 People Stirs Global Outrage
>http://time.com/35829/egypt-529-death-sentence-muslim-brotherhood/

While KSA backed the Egyptian army in power, Qatar and Al Jazeera was heavily supporting the Islamist MB.

>>34588579
>>34593704
cont.
here are examples:

>22 members of staff of Al Jazeera's Egyptian bureau announced their resignation on July 8, 2013, citing "biased" coverage of the ongoing Egyptian power redistribution in favor of the Muslim Brotherhood.

>In September 2013, a court in Cairo ordered Al Jazeera to stop broadcasting in Egypt, claiming it was "inciting violence that led to the deaths of Egyptians."

>Egypt court orders ban on local al-Jazeera channel for broadcasting 'lies'
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/egypt-court-orders-ban-local-al-jazeera-channel-broadcasting-lies-568104630

Egypt is an easy example as there are a lot of international news on the subject and the MB there is a named and (was) powerful group. However Qatar, via Al Jazeera, was attempting to influence local islamists (MB like) in other Arab nations as well.
It's an intra Suni Islamist issue.

examples:
> In 2010, the Information Ministry again banned Al Jazeera correspondents from reporting inside the country. The ministry accused the network of "flouting [Bahrain's] laws regulating the press and publishing" after Al Jazeera aired a report on poverty in Bahrain.

>In April 2013, Iraq banned Al Jazeera along with nine other TV channels over 'sectarian bias'.[92] The Iraqi Communication and Media Commission said in a statement that the satellite channels had "exaggerated things, given misinformation and called for breaking the law and attacking Iraqi security forces".

>The Al Jazeera office in Kuwait City was closed by government officials after airing a story on police crackdowns. The story had video of police beating activists and included interviews with members of the Kuwaiti opposition. Four MP's were injured in the crackdown. Kuwait's Minister of Information described Al Jazeera's coverage as "intervention in a Kuwaiti domestic issue"

Basically Qatar supports one brand of Islamist, UAE and KSA support another.

>>34562242
what happens when the iraqi army defeats rebels and try to disarm the kurds?

>>34588579
>>34593704
>>34593732
cont.

As I said this not about anything new and the crisis nearly went down 3 years ago:

>Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain announced Wednesday the withdrawal of their ambassadors from Qatar because Doha had not implemented an agreement among Gulf Arab countries not to interfere in each others' internal affairs.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/05/world/meast/gulf-qatar-ambassadors/

This is how you know that any explanation in regard to recent events in Syria is complete and total bullshit, for example this guy >>34591309

Furthermore, the reasoning, such of the guy above is contradictory to the reality that Egypt is pushing hard on the rift with Qatar.
At the same time Egypt is cozy with Russia and is fine with Assad. Doesn't care about any pipeline shenanigans either.

Basically everything that sounds /pol/ tier is either complete crap, or has a small grain of truth that was twisted so hard it's unrecognizable.

>Egypt's Sisi expresses support for Syria's military
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/11/egypt-sisi-expresses-support-syria-military-161123150315176.html

>>34593174
Not sure who is "they". It's the Turks who support AAS, and they never cared too much about someone appearing as "moderate backed opposition".

There are reports that Turkey is going to deploy forces (TFSA?) into Idalib in support of AAS.
This kind of makes sense with something that was posted on /pol/ a while ago. Some article in a Russian newspaper about two weeks ago.
It said that Russia and Turkey agreed on TFSA and Turkey taking the corridor of Afrin from the Kurds and the movement of Turkish forces into Idalib province.

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>>34593811
Who knows, HTS is the most powerful military force in Idlib though. The SAA can't take advantage of the infighting since they are stuck duking it out with IS in eastern Homs/Hama.

Pic is of a 5th corp commander killed today in eastern Hama.
>Russian HQ come in please
>Dash is here
>plz help
What I imagine his last words were.

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>>34594091
Another 5th corp officer killed today in eastern Hama. Basically 5th corp is being decimated like we all knew would happen when you try to field a bunch of old men who should be retired and not trying to advance on IS in eastern Homs.

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>>34594106
another one

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>>345941154
This was the same guy, more pics of kia today. IS claims to have killed 25 SAA in al Waar valley near the Iraqi border and also some were killed in east Hama. Pro SAA source claims more tiger forces advancement in Raqqa so it's not all bad news. It's just the SAA having the bite the bullet clearing out IS.

Eastern Hama is proving to be a slug fest.

>>34594320
Last post to back up my eastern Hama slug fest story. This pro rebel rag claims official SAA accounting has been 32 killed in the past 48 hours in rural Hama. This is also where the desert hawks got pulled from action after a couple of days.
http://aldorars.com/en/news/719

Most of the action today between IS and the SAA has been by the Iraqi border and SAA trying to advance on Al Sukhnah. I skipped over Raqqa and the SDF. Tiger forces still seem unhindered near Raqqa by IS after taking all of Aleppo from them. HTS vs Al Sham/FSA heating up big time in Idlib. We'll see what tomorrow brings. Shit got real today.

>>34588257

And? The YPJ combat the ISIS. Occasionally one of their all-woman force soldiers falls during a battle. Then the ISIS take a pic to show what studs they are. Good. Gives their eventual captors more faces to pick out for the extra special prison.

>>34588579
Coincidentally, there is some new development:
>Saudi-led bloc modifies demands to end Qatar crisis
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40654023

note that it's the Al Jazira propaganda inside Egypt, KSA and UAE that they care most about, the other things were just piled on. In specific pro MB propaganda.

Which is inline with what I've written earlier.

>>34595692

Or the Saudi bloc realized that the whole Qatar thing is headed for shit alley what with the US not leaving their base while at the same time the Turks get a way to build up a nice new base inside Qatar. Now they are making an escape plan that might save some face.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-ends-covert-cia-program-to-arm-anti-assad-rebels-in-syria-a-move-sought-by-moscow/2017/07/19/b6821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html

>>34594091
Now I want to see those HTS fucks fucking around with not only the AAS and TFSA, but also the Turks propping them up.

>>34596482
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-ends-covert-cia-program-to-arm-anti-assad-rebels-in-syria-a-move-sought-by-moscow/2017/07/19/b6821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html

Fair enough. The US was getting very little bang for its bucks. I am more intrigued about what the US will or will not do for the rebels they are defunding. Will they be allowed US citizenship, or be let in as refugees, or helped to Europe, or will they simply be left behind to face the music? That, more than the defunding, will tell future potential allies what US support is worth these days.

>>34597158
Lel you think that's a question? They'll be utterly abandoned just like all previous US "allies". Really gives the US a good image when anyone who helps you you hang out to dry. Not purely talking about these rebels, but all the interpreters in past wars who they let get killed annoys me.

>>34596482
Bit silly, the program was relatively cheap and keeping Syria an active battleground is a drain on Iran and Russia.

>>34597230

Agreed. Interpreters and everyone else who get hired in enemy territory, should know that the foreign power they enlisted with will not leave them hanging in the wind if it all turns sour. And the foreign power should have calculated with that possibility from day one of involvement. No matter how eager or naive the volunteers are they WILL be considered traitors by the very faction you are fighting from the day they sign on.

My country is small. We still had forces in Afghanistan. Every interpreter we could get hold of afterwards were subsequently offered to immigrate to us and it took some serious armwrestling here to make that happen but we did it - and I am proud of us for that.

>>34593781
I am that guy, thank you for writing that up, I'm better informed now. The pipelineistan narrative is a meme that keeps popping up every couple of years with different countries names scribbled in. I expect the next edition will be set in Africa or South America with something about China and the local dickwad in charge.

>>34593754
You push the Kurds further into Russian influence. Honestly the Kurds shouldn't put too much trust in the US. We've let them down before, we'll do it again.

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Russian army units are preparing to move into the Syrian town of Quneitra in the coming days and take up positions opposite the Syrian-Israeli Golan border

>debka.com/article/26150/Russian-troops-for-Quneitra-in-defiance-of-Israel

As Russian troops began moving into the Quneitra ceasefire sector opposite Israel’s Golan border on Wednesday, July 19, they found they were in hot competition with Israel over … humanitarian aid for the sector’s rebel-held villages.

On Tuesday, a Russian military convoy drove into Jabah, a village northeast of Qunetra town and 4km from Israel’s Golan border. Officers described as belonging to the “Russian Defense Ministry’s reconciliation center” alit from the trucks and began handing out food packages to the villagers.

just found this channel, seems like an independent journalist type of guy, speaks in english 60fps footage, right on frontlines, very good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLf9zjVUaCY

>>34598775
60fps TOS-1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wsNZKV8WA8

>>34598789
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqGLUsvzJxw

>>34598826
vbieds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyYtg-0PGsc

>>34598875
destroyed Aleppo old city, 360 degree video VR click n drag

>>34598971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx_5C9Vtg7M

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>Israel Already Cooking up New Excuses to Bomb Syria

Israel is already accusing Iran of 'exploiting' the ceasefire in southern Syria

The ceasefire in southern Syria negotiated by Russia and the US was a major buzz-kill for Tel Aviv.

According to Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the ceasefire is unacceptable because it "perpetuates Iran’s military presence in Syria". Not quite.

A ceasefire is a temporary cessation of hostilities. That's it. The extent of Iran's presence in Syria once the fighting ends is a separate matter. And the idea that Israel thinks that Hezbollah should pack up and go home simply because there's a truce in southern Syria doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

But that's neither here nor there.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/israel-already-cooking-new-excuses-bomb-syria/ri20429

>>34599619
Well I mean it does make sense, the last thing Israel wants is another competent neighbor that is overtly hostile towards them.
They've been fairly consistent towards this end through the conflict.

>>34594320
>>34594747

I wonder what happens to IS propaganda dissemination under the new laws?

>>34596482
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-ends-covert-cia-program-to-arm-anti-assad-rebels-in-syria-a-move-sought-by-moscow/2017/07/19/b6821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html

It's about goddamn time.

Also, is it a coincidence that this happens while John "Jihad" McCain is the the hospital with a brain tumor?

Allah works in mysterious ways. :3

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>>34598980
>>34598971
>>34598875
>>34598826
>>34598789
>>34598775

>>34585451
he has mosin

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Russia two years of military operations in Syria could spend on it from 108 to 140 billion rubles.

Most of the money went to the crashes of military aircraft (from 90 to 117 billion rubles), and the damage from the loss of military equipment is estimated at 9.3 - 11.5 billion rubles. Another of 3.5 billion to $ 6.3 billion spent on the triggers 71 of the Kaliber rocket.

Payment to the bereaved families of military spent 102 million rubles, and to provide food and pay other expenses military took 3.8 billion rubles.

>>34584444
He's got a facebook? I need a link to follow.

>>34593526
>Anonymous
PPK isnt the same as YPG/SDF....TRIGGERED.

>>34593526
Quite reposting turkroach propagando SDF isnt PKK. Please REMOVE this.

>>34597351
Sounds a lot like my country as well

Iran supports insurgency and terrorists in Kuwait
Kuwait downgrades relations:

>Kuwait reduces diplomatic ties with Iran
>The reason - Tehran’s alleged ties with a “terrorist group” plotting attacks against the Persian Gulf state, Arab media outlets reported.

>The Arab media suggested that the decision came after 14 suspects linked to the outlawed group namely “Abdali cell” fled to Iran.

>Kuwaiti judiciary had earlier charged 25 of its Shia nationals and an Iranian with spying for Tehran and the Lebanese Hezbollah movement.
https://www.azernews.az/region/116487.html

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>>34602959
From another source:
>Kuwait will shut down Iran's cultural and military offices at the embassy and decrease the number of Iranian diplomats in the country,
>The Kuwaiti reaction is linked to a spying and terrorism case launched back in 2015, involving suspects - one Iranian and the rest Kuwaiti - with alleged ties to Iran's Revolutionary Guard and Iran-backed Hezbollah militant group. The suspects were convicted by a lower court but the appeal process still continues.

https://www.dailysabah.com/mideast/2017/07/20/kuwait-to-shut-down-irans-cultural-and-military-offices-at-the-consulate-decrease-number-of-diplomats

Reminder from 2015:
>Kuwait busts terror plot linked to Hezbollah, seizes arms cache
>A total of 19,000 kg (42,000 lb) of ammunition, 144 kg of explosives, 68 weapons and 204 grenades were seized from three properties in the al-Abdali area, state news agency KUNA said.
http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/kuwait/kuwait-busts-terror-plot-linked-to-hezbollah-seizes-arms-cache-1.1566381

>Kuwait has charged 26 people with possessing weapons and having contacts with Iran and the Lebanese Hezbollah group in order to plot attacks against the Gulf state.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-kuwait-security-arms-idUSKCN0R142Y20150901

>>34598775

Now THIS is reporting. Guy is twitching and coughing and pissing his pants while his eyes roam wildly but he still has the guts to report from the front trenches. I hope he gets a vacation before he cracks.

>>34603073
Seems rather calm and collected. Works for Los Angeles times. Or maybe he's just a freelance contributor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIP7QUqynYA

>>34597351
>>34597348
>>34597230
good goys

>>34597991
You should watch this. The MB is salafi while Saudi Arabia is wahhabi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIEWiMnw3x8
Starts at 12:30

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>>34594747
Eh more 5th corp killed today. Little if any movement in eastern Hama as fighting continued there.
I understand 5th corp is playing the part of cannon bait for the tiger forces up north but that said they are being killed at a high rate. Instead of using Afghan Shia militia the Russians are using old Syrian men. It's sad.

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>>34596933
You may get your wish. HTS will run Idlibsitan without Turkish intervention as they advance on Al Sham but it serves them right when Al Qaeda is their main fighting force. Map is of Raqqa today. Step has.... stepped up their map game. Report of 28 SAA killed on the Rayham front in eastern Ghouta and pro SAA sources report a offensive on HTS neat the Lebanon border.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQkTYWbA_bo

>>34605400
The SDF still has a long way to go. They haven't even penetrated into the meat of the city.

At this rate, Raqqa might be reduced to rubble like West Mosul if the battle drags on long enough for airstrikes and artillery to pound the city.

>>34606621
That coupled with Trump's more max roe

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I don't really want to be alive anymore, but I don't want to kil myself. I've been toying with the idea of going down and joining up with some Christian or Kurdish group fighting against ISIS. Maybe I'm just larping but I feel like dying doing what's right (killing ISIS) would be a more worthy death than most.

How much longer until the Islamic State goes from building car bombs to ramjet powered guided cruise missiles?

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>>34606621
>Raqqa might be reduced to rubble

soooo you mean like every other city in the islamic state?

>>34608799
some less than others. Like comparing east Mosul to west Mosul, a lot of west Mosul is stalingrad like.

>>34608250
They're pretty well over their peak now in terms of ability to build cool new shit I suspect, and even at their height that was some way beyond them. All their major population centers have been lost or are directly beseiged, in more rural areas they lose territory pretty much on a daily basis, one of the main reasons they lose relatively little at a time is the significant lack of quality troops for the SAA which slows their progress greatly, and both SAA and SDF Kurds have to go slowly because traps traps traps everywhere, and not the kind with tight pants on /k/.

Whilst that means they can continue to buy themselves a slow death as a land-holding entity their organisational strength has been destroyed, they no longer have much in the way of 'safe' places for VBIED and armament factories, let alone places for their handful of engineer types to work up new stuff for either practical or merely propaganda use, assuming those few capable individuals are alive still and haven't done a runner. Add to that they don't have nearly so much financial income as they used to from taxing people/selling oil to whomever would deal with them, supply lines to the outside world must be near non-existant since in just about every direction they have hostile forces, and you have a situation that makes the production of new stuff like remote controlled gun turrets (mostly propaganda value) or implementing the somewhat widespread use of bomblet-dropping small drones (not a new idea at all, but afaik IS were the first to really do it on the scale they have) things that are unlikely to be seen again in the future, at least from the current IS organisation.

>>34602453
Would be useful to have numbers in a stable currency

A billion roubles is like what? 300 US dollars?

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>>34612522

http://zenrus.ru/

https://web2.0calc.com/

>>34608799
Pretty much any beseiged urban space in Syria counts too.

>Yarmouk, Damascus
>Homs
>West Aleppo
>Daraa

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFk5Wq01usI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hw6fZpqhOk

>>34608080

I like how you think, but you are at least a year too late. Even if ISIS will still be striking for years to come it will be extremely local, rural actions deep in Iraq where noone's seen a foreigner.

My tip? Get a security detail job in North Africa for an oil or mining company. Al Qaida, Al Shababh, ISIS probably, are all looking for easy money there. The refugee smuggling racket won't be lasting forever, not on this scale, and now they have technicals with rocketry, stuff bought from the local armies, plus ME fighting experience. You'll be waist deep in fanatics to kill soon enough and they all want white meat to ransom. The only thing you will find a shortage of is good guys.

>>34612741
Huh, it not that much. Around 2 billion dollars.

>>34599619
It's not "already". The Israelis were saying the same thing since the moment they started smelling Iranian involvement in this mess.
Would be interesting to see if they're going to be ballsy enough to take action in "red line crossed" event.

how combat effective would you say saa is? are their small unit tactics fairly modern or are they antiquated, if that makes sense?

>>34613530
It's so decentralised it's hard to look at it generally like that. You have to go unit by unit. SAA is a shell of itself on paper. Arguably often the units that are making progress are the private militias of the de factory Syrian warlords, i.e. Desert hawks, tiger forces.

Really at least off the top of my head the only SAA of note are those in and around Damascus, the republican guard forces and associated units. Most other SAA just seem like chaff and cannon fodder.

>>34587187
>that patch
Do want.

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New developments in Washington. Jim Mattis is withholding 50 million dollars' worth of military aid to Pakistan, as a response to their laggard effort in attacking the Haqqani network. Gee. What's 50 million dollars to nuclear power Pakistan? One tank?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dFIMyANvN0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQcFGUFYAuU

>>34615020
10/10 file name

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/what-the-demise-of-the-cias-anti-assad-program-means/2017/07/20/f6467240-6d87-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html

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>>34611713
This war has a feeling similar to that of the Italo-Turkish war, some nacent technology festering at the edges of a conflict conducted in a way that previews the conventional ways of a larger upcoming conflict.

Innovations in this conflict have been the spectacular effectiveness of SVBIEDs, the consequent revival of field fortifications, the mass use of ATGMs (yes, there is the 1967/1973 wars, and 2006 Lebanon) as direct fire field artillery, the impressive mass use of drones for observation and (for now) light bombing.

https://youtu.be/eALrf8Au-Dc?t=1m

Drones are going to be the single most annoying part of current/future warfare by forcing anti-air to be an organic part of small units. In small units, this may be implemented in the addition of anti-drone guns to the support section, or the implementation of anti-aircraft sights to squad weapons.
SVBIEDs have demonstrated to become highly useful precision guided mobile breeching charges, a JDAM on wheels/tracks. Advances in self driving cars omit the need for a suicidal volunteer to drive the vehicle to its destination, watch for clip on solutions that permit the JDAM like conversion of a dumb car into a smart car bomb.
As a side note, ISIS's automobile workshops have sparked the imagination on DIY armored vehicles, the notion that any civilian vehicle can be uparmored, and thus degrade the effectiveness of anti-armor weapons by forcing a much higher consumption rate.
The boom of ATGM use is from being an easily smuggled heavy weapon that is easy to use, easy to transport, and highly effective against point targets. Their anti-personnel use is a novel application that while presently useless due to the current anti-armor warhead, is likely to spawn anti-personnel variations. The real innovation is that ATGMs are filling out the niche of direct fire artillery, alongside pilfered Zu-23 autocannons; this is the reason the Russians want to try out the BMPT, as a self-propelled gun.

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>>34605357
Eh has turned into ewww as IS pictures from eastern Hama come out.

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>>34616322

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>>34616333
Some weapons captured. Other than that SAA/Hezbhollah offensive going full on the HTS/IS pocket by the Lebanese border. Al Sham/HTS shady peace deal and more of the same in eastern Homs/Hama/Raqqa.

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>>34616381
At least the Syrian government can save money on their pension plans. Looking at the positive here.

But seriously, how can the SAA manage to be assfucked at this time of the war? Have they run out of militias to waste? Has the Russians done a discrete stand-back-and-watch thing or sent their airforce off to get some R & R? Did Assad forget to renew his subscription to Soldier Of Fortune? Honestly I don't get it.

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>>34616771

>>34562242
Did the guy in pic related kill himself witj back blast?

>>34616771
I think because the large troop commitment they need for eastern Homs. Some here underestimated the scale of this area especially after IS folded so easily in Aleppo and Qalamoun which the SAA did well at. The SAA shit stains are left. The bottom of the barrel.

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An interview with mike pompeo (director of the CIeh) from earlier today if anyone is interested. Talking about assad and IS a good bit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcSjUk8eYww

also
>tfw the cia chief shows complete disregard for the first amendment and jokes about toppling south american governments and is unironically ok with being a puppet of Israel

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>>34617584

>>34616315
I would argue that while these tactics are effective against, at best 2nd rate armies, they would not be so effective against modern, 1st world militaries. ATGMs are used primarily in ambush, and with the use of infared or thermal optics the ATGM crews would be quickly spotted and subsequently dealt with through either air or artillery strikes. As far as VBIEDs go, they are effective against irregular troops with little understanding of perimeter security. The US military, for example, is more than capable of handling both of these threats with a major change to doctrine.

TLDR: What works against shit hadji armies doesn't work against modern militaries

>>34616315
>This war has a feeling similar to that of the Italo-Turkish war, some nacent technology festering at the edges of a conflict conducted in a way that previews the conventional ways of a larger upcoming conflict.

yes and no. What really is happening is we are seeing the divergence of how rich and poor countries fight wars. Way back in the 1700's there was an extreme difference in how wealthy countries and poor countries fought wars. This started normalizing due to the industrial revolution up to the point that after WWII almost everyone could afford and had access to the latest military hardware. Over the course of the cold war we saw military technology advance and become more expensive. This started the war fighting doctrines of rich and poor countries diverging, See how wars in africa were fought in the 80's and 90s as opposed to how the USSR and US fought during that time.

The end of the cold war did not stop the advancement of military technology and what we are seeing is a second schism where reasonably wealthy countries which used to be able to afford a top of the line military now, are reduced to a lower tier of conflict. Military tech is getting so expensive that this is getting to the point that even Russia will be relegated to a lower form of war.

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>>34596482
Hahahaha I still have this picture

>>34616771
Taking entrenched positions is difficult

Most of ISIS retreated to their core back in May. The rest of the territory will be even more difficult to take. ISIS thrives in deserts and rural villages

>>34617584
Listening to this only 13 minutes in and I'm already depressed
>glib answers
>lies about Russia
>lies about Iran
No wonder America is failing so hard at all levels if these people are in charge

>>34617584
>33minutes in
This guy is a patriotard
The audience is filled with the American equivalent of Chekists laughing at bourgeoisie values of free speech and privacy
America is doomed prepare for Rhodesia 2.0 /k/tards

>>34616315
I think they even started arming the SVBIEDs with rockets too, to cause more damage.

Imagine if ISIS, Hezbollah, or the other pro-assad/rebel groups managed to actually build their own straight up legit tracked armored tanks. If this war continues long enough, I could honestly see that happening.

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http://www.newsweek.com/russia-military-force-us-out-syria-army-official-640650

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mravrrGfzXU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov7-p-zMZXc&t=0s

>>34622343
IS is finished at this point so nothing cool from them. SAA is too incompetent to build their own shit, so nothing cool from them either. Hezbollah isn't deployed widely enough nor are they invested enough to build cool shit, and would rather just get shit from Russia and Iran

>>34619870
Yes and no regarding how well (for instance) the US could deal with similar threats.

With a high intensity conflict where air or at the very least arty support is NEVER more than a couple of minutes away you're right it would be very hard for ATGM crews to survive long, in the sort of low intensity commmitment we saw in Afghanistan (and latter stages Iraq) had modern ATGM been as freely avaliable as they are in Syria the US would have lost staggering more men and equipment until they either committed vastly more resources or simply stopped going to many contested places. Consider how often US troops in A'stan would take small arms fire from a few hundred meters away, return fire ineffectively until they ran low on ammo then retreat because they didn't have air support and lacked the manpower to actually push the engagement to the enemy fast enough to stop them just disappearing. Now imagine that every time the first contact was an ATGM hitting the lead vehicle or element of a foot patrol. Even with thermal optics spotting a head or two barely poking over a hilltop a couple km away isn't easy. The doctrinal shifts to deal with such a widespread modern ATGM threat are significantly more costly than flooding the theatre with ATGM is for a hostile 3rd party, even if you eventually deal with it whomever is dumping ATGM into the conflict has won in terms of cost effectiveness.

VBIED would certainly be less effective in general, although they worked well enough as the opening plays in attacks on bases enoguh times to expose a current unwillingness to take the measures required to fully protect against them, indeed that they worked more than once shows a lack of learning on the part of western militaries. They would also continue to be perfectly viable in urban ambush scenarios, at least until every operating unit has it's own full time reconnaisance drone overhead watching for such threats, which we're a long way from still.

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More than 170 suicide bombers ISIS prepared for the organization of terrorist attacks in Europe, - Interpol.

>>34622762

How about 'short' distance rockets? We already have skilled drone operating in the hands of camel-and-Kalashnikov level militias and rebels. When is the 30-km range guided rocketry arriving? It's the logical next step from ATGMs and drones, isn't it?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0k3Yjh-fAA

>>34623337
>30-km range guided rocketry
That's a pretty hefty step up in technology and not something I can see being improvised essentially from scratch.
You sure as hell aren't dragging wires out over that distance so for live guidance from launch location you're looking at bouncing guidance data to the missile/video back to the operator either via satellite or a network of ground relay stations. Both of those are expensive, technically challenging to initially develop and especially so in the case of using ground relays incredibly vulnerable to attack.
I can envisage some form of terminal guidance whereby you launch your rockets to arrive roughly on target and have terminal guidance provided by a seeker head homing on a lazed target working on a pure functionality level, drawbacks are that lazing vehicles sets you up for immediate detection, and if you have a crew in position to paint the target then why not just ATGM it? Such a system would potentially allow you to deliver larger ordnance on target, but also has upfront technical costs/difficulty to develop, and richer nations that routinely want to deliver more boom than is man portable prefer to do either from the air or with arty, meaning they're unlikely to undertake the work to develop the system for it to then trickle down into goatfucker hands. You could potentially do the target painting from a drone system, but that requries a far larger and more complex aircraft than the hobbyist size commercial multirotors we're typically talking about in this context, and something more akin to Predator/Reaper type aircraft.
You could also notionally do something with fitting a GPS guidance system to hit precise targets at those ranges, but you lose the ability to hit moving targets with a single shot, and against fixed locations existing MLRS can hit relatively small area targets with reasonable accuracy, and at less cost and significantly less complexity than integrating GPS guidance into a similiar rocket.

>>34617664
>>34621571
>>34621825

>vatniks are upset
That guy must've said something good

>>34623461

I was frankly expecting the propulsion to be the biggest issue. With cellphones and Internet seemingly everywhere even in donkey humping land, who not simply use Google Maps or as you say, GPS systems? They seem precise enough to hit a house.

Why bother, you might say? I see this as a way to strike at targets where the perimeter is too tight for goat herders with cell phones or suicide car drivers to get close enough on.

>>34623561

Or, now I think about it, striking from the syrian side of the Golan height or from a freightboat heading up the Hudson River.

>>34623561
I don't see propulsion being the main issue as existing MLRS can already reach that far (depending on exact rockets used of course) or at least out to similar enough long ranges for you to be sufficiently removed from the target area, and in terms of improvising such a system it's surely vastly simpler to retrofit a guidance package onto an existing rocket where a chunk of the engineering work (getting a rocket that flies decently far and goes boom when you want and not before) has been done for you rather than develop something entirely from scratch. You still almost certainly need to build a custom launcher to deal with the tail clutter associated with adding guidance, but the same applies to building an entire new rocket system from scratch anyway.

As for why bother, in the case you outline where you simply cannot get close enough for an ATGM attack, simply take an existing MLRS and smash the km2 of your target. If your friendlies can't get close enough pre-strike you aren't worried about hitting them (as if durkas are hugely worried about that to begin with) and since we're talking about goat fuckers developing this notional system they aren't exactly concerned about collateral damage either.

If you have the resources lying around to expend developing this system chances are pretty high you also have the resources to just obliterate the target grid using existing systems, I just can't see there being a large enough niche for a homebrew mid-range precision missile like this for it to be worth the considerable effort of developing one, let alone there being the competence to actually do so given that there really aren't afaik any relevant bits of gear close enough in functionality that you could repurpose and simply bolt on.

>>34616315
> the mass use of ATGMs (yes, there is the 1967/1973 wars

Not many ATGM's in 67, if any. In 73 they were a tactical surprise but I can't remember a single battle where they played a decisive role. It was good foreshadowing though.
2006 is on the money.

>Drones are going to be the single most annoying part of current/future warfare
I'll wait to see how this pans out till a competent force is forced to face with the problem. You could be surprised what kind of solution people can find. Arabs aren't really the pick of tactical prowess, or on the forefront of innovation.

Should be possible to shoot down these mini drones with small arms with adequate training, calibration, well maintained gear and proper ammunition. I think.

I don't expect much from guys that still bunch up near front lines for selfies after 6 years of war. Or or miss a VBIED truck driving into the defense line.

As I'm finishing this comment I went over other replies and I see some others made similar points.

>>34623741

I looked the MLRS system up and you are right, it certainly fills the bracket except I only had single rockets in mind. Seeing how the system is in the hands of both Egypt, the Saudis and Turkey it is fair to think it's theoretically accessable for one helluva lot of factions and groups - if they can steer the thing.

>>34623561
>>34623741
To add to this lets take the 'simple' case of "just use GPS" so we can get single missiles fairly precisely onto targets. Of course you can pick up small lightweight GPS units pretty cheaply, but the fun part comes in turning that into useful guidance data. For starters given the flight speed you want something that updates faster than the second or so many readilly avaliable consumer units typically seem to use, that's fine for hiking or vehicular speeds, less so in the last few seconds to target of a rocket, so already we're buying some higher end gear that might just get you noticed purchasing a bunch of them.
Now you need to interface with that GPS system and write software that can figure out where it is in relation to it's programmed target coordinates, and how to apply proportional control surface movements to fly itself there without spazzing out, as well as interfacing your guidance software with a controller actuating your control surfaces. All this seems 'pretty simple' because we're used to seeing the results of large companies spending millions developing and iterating on this sort of tech over the last few decades. It's rather less simple to actually make work when you're Ahmed working on doing it all from nothing in a garage workshop.

tl/dr rocket science is hard as fuck when you lack a bunch of institutional knowledge and experience to build your work of off.

>>34623792
Drones have been shot down quite a bit by both sides IIRC, but it's one thing to shoot at something buzzing 50 feet above your head because it has a shit camera/the operator is retarded even by local standards, quite another to hit something flying at closer to 1000ft. I expect much is going to take place in terms of developing lightweight jamming systems, and at least in terms of mil specific units an ever more expensive race between frequency-agile control systems and jammers that largely negates using civilian systems against richer militaries.

>>34616882
But ISIS did not fold quickly in Qalamoun... And they were throwing the elite of the Hezbollah units (already good) against them.

>>34616771
Like 5 star said, they decided to send in the SAA without the usual foreign shia militia cannon fodder in advance. Not top of the line units either. The result is... expected.
Most of the SAA is pretty trash just look at their performance everywhere they fought. Assad was trying to keep them off the hot areas for the last two years, made easy with the flood of Shia militias sent by Iran.

Not sure what changed, probably politics between Assad and Iran. Perhaps some general underestimated the ISIS fighters.

>>34623870
You don't need to one shot one kill it. You get a bunch of guys and do a well aimed volly. Should be a matter of second if well practiced.
I'm not talking about anything revolutionairy or that hasn't been done before (in a similar fashion):
>SMALL-ARMS FIRE AGAINST LOW-FLYING AIRCRAFT
>Effectiveness depends upon the training of the soldiers, their watchfulness for approaching aircraft, and the refusal to be stampeded and run when attacked.

^You can pretty much understand yourself why it's not effectively practiced in this war.
http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/ttt08/small-arms-against-aircraft.html

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IS is still in Marawi, Philippines. there must be more than 1000 fighters.

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>>34624364

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Lucas Chapman in kurdish TV-show

https://youtu.be/9OlyF6tv9nI

same guy giving a interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmQ9yARAizg

another volunteer from california, US. names himself rashid fouad
https://youtu.be/8LPnWW3dd9s

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>shagging commander's daughter
>army of islam
>anno 1438

https://www.JEWbook.com/general.issam.zaheralden/videos/1934353250153719/

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assadistic 2S1 howitzer receives hot kiss from rebel hellpipe https://youtu.be/OlZnLtYPu3I

https://ia601504.us.archive.org/28/items/mjdtaled2/mjdtaled2.mp4
New video from al-Khayr is out

Hezbollah operations against Nusra terrorists and rebels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9PxGm_Gmck

>>34625240
Crushing defeats for rebels and jihadists .

Covering the main points in a short summery of Syria is the videos Mandic posting showing the Hezbollah offensive ongoing into the HTS pocket on the Lebanese border.

Minor SAA tiger forces advance near Raqqa and another flare up between Al Sham and HTS in Idlib.

>>34625141
LOL the only thing that hit is sand

Nusra front collapsing at all fronts at Arsal & West Qalamoun pocket. Very large advance taking place

https://twitter.com/alimantash/status/888730176686886912

Hezbollah military media: Large military groups of nusra raise 6 white flags signalling surrender

https://twitter.com/C_Military1/status/888736886436581376

>>34625240
Is Hezbollah killing the meme that Arabs can't fight?

1st coastal division expands regime 122mm barell with hellpipe, send from latest US-shipment. latakia, syria

https://youtu.be/uBYtCZtxhf0

>>34625253
>LOL the only thing that hit is sand
son. this is not call of duty.

>>34625288
sand barrier hit

>>34625246
I get it , wasn't expected you to post now. There is a good Hez map you should post as well.

Lastly what I wanted to cover is a bizarre cease fire agreement in eastern Ghouta. From what I gather it's similar to Daraa however HTS aka Al Rahman corp is exempt leaving JAI alone. Obvious divide and conquer thing and JAI is cool with it because they hate Al Rahman.It's weird because all of eastern Ghouta is under a cease fire except Jobar. Fucking Jobar, they never get a break.

>>34625294
>claims to hit tank
>only sand smoke everywhere
>no afternath video
>hurrr durr durr call of duty

KYS

>>34625253
50 000$ of US taxpayer money going down the drain.

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rebels use hellpipe and remove an unwanted obstacle from the streets in latakia, syria (where russians hide)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnYE7uhUmSE

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IS claims raids east of Palmyra capturing weapons. Unsure where at other than somewhere in eastern Homs.

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>>34625413

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Resistance supporters placed a Virgin Mary statue and lit candles for the souls of Hezbollah's martyrs in Arsal today. The Lebanon we love.

>>34573844
why? It's pretty cool

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>>34625432
These are fresh out the box nads

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Hezbollah ,Arsal offensive

Message from Hezbollah fighters from Arsal's outskirts tonight: "Our morale is sky-high"

https://twitter.com/Ali_Kourani/status/888483319519879168

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>>34625454
Done and with that IS still liable to lose Al Sukhnah. The SAA is knocking at the door.

>>34625461
breaking from the what's left of the HTS pocket is an entire group of FSA surrendered of about 200 who want to go to Idlib. Most of the HTS pocket reduced. Hezbollah needed to do this. I didn't realize HTS held this much in Lebanon anyway.

>>34625336
>>34625327
TOWs penetrate over 6 feet of sand, and howitzers (these are not tanks, but self propelled guns being hit), have armor only for preventing small arms fire. It is clear in the second video that the howitzer was penetrated by the vertical column of smoke generated from the hatch of the howitzer. The first, one it is unclear, but most likely that SPG is swiss cheese.

>>34625476
>>34625284
>>34625263
>>34625240
Ever since zanbadi, I really don't believe anything Hezbollah puts out as news. Pics or it didn't happen. Oh and that video shows no surrender, no mass of dead or surrendering rebels, and only Hezzbollah capturing a single hill top that they already had fire control of, hence currently they have shown nothing to justify such claims. Remember for 3 weeks it was 95-95% of Zambadi is captured and in a few hours we will have everything as we kill 100+ rebels a hour, then finally we have strategically retreated from Zambadi.

Hezbollah kicking some jihadists / rebels asses


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSs_l0Mr0HM

Nusra (HTS) at Arsal pocket say they want to accept the old offer to Idlib but Hezbollah is not answering the phone

Rebels in Ghouta executing

https://twitter.com/bassamduoma/status/888748901272088576

soon , heroes of SAA shall purge these wicked lands infested by jihadi scum

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pro-rebel account reporting SAA gains ,Raqqa

#Syria #Assad-forces advance fast through desert on #Euphrates valley with strategic highway crossing & river bridge east of #Raqqa city

>>34625880
Mandic already posted this but Mandic never gives explanation so post on.
>>34625863
Hezbollah does the same thing ever group does with bullshit omitting but there is no doubt the HTS side of the pocket has been reduced largely.

The only thing to me is the IS side has been untouched which is questionable. That IS pocket hasn't moved in years. Nobody fucks with them. Hez should if they are as badass as they claim to be.

AAYA YAY

200 #FSA Saraya al-Sham fighters in #Arsal surrendered to #Hezbollah/#Lebanon army


https://twitter.com/AllyOfTruth/status/888831688880599040

>>34625880
>>34625909
Which means there is no surrender, and we are again in another zambadi situation. Also this video show a ton of fire at targets which are literally not within range of those light machine guns, and shows exactly no dead rebels, in fact only 3 leaving a single position are shown in this video.

My question is this: If Hezbollah is really having such major battlefield victories, why do they have literally no photographic or video of it, instead only showing them firing at ridges which are almost entirely empty? I mean, I know that the sand is evil, but aren't you supposed to be shooting rebels?

Also fun parenthetical: Why isn't Israel striking the large masses of Hezbollah units? Wouldn't it be in their interest to kill the Hezbollah soldiers when they are away from civilian targets?

>>34625970
it was ironic post m8

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Hezbollah with an Iranian Toophan ATGM

>>34625956
That is a good question too. Why have they avoided the IS pocket?

>>34625960
Again unsubstantiated twitter posts don't fly here in /k/ go back to /pol/ with all the propaganda noise. Remeber that time the SAAF shot down two F-22's? or How about the time the SAA killed 10000 rebels is a pocket which had 5000 people total without being able to capture said pocket. or How about the time the rebels claimed that they had broken the Aleppo pocket and the SAA was in complete dissarray with hundreds dead and thousands in retreat? Or how about the numerous T-90s destroyed by the FSA before they were even deployed to Syria? We want verified information about what has actually happened, not BS twitter statements.

>>34626023

#crymeriver

>>34626052
here

confirmed by syrian MOD

Government forces captured Sabkhawi (http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35.696759&lon=39.239388&z=13&m=b&show=/34870443/Sabkhāwī …) in southern #Raqqa.


https://twitter.com/AllyOfTruth/status/888831688880599040

>>34598775
he's getting shot at @ 1:05

>>34626063

>https://twitter.com/AllyOfTruth/status/888831688880599040
same unsubstantiated twitter post. If Hez captured 200 FSA, why don't they have a picture of even one of them?

>>34625960
200 FSA is huge if true, but then should have some photos/vids of this soon.
I am with the other anon, as you agreed all faction use war time propaganda. You're posting this stuff as if there is no doubt, while I have a sincere doubt this happened.
>200 #FSA Saraya al-Sham fighters in #Arsal surrendered to #Hezbollah/#Lebanon army

Probably not as described. we'll wait and see if evidence turns up tomorrow.

>Tiger forces and tribal forces are advancing towards Euphrates river ,soon to reach it

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Dead militans ,Arsal

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Tigers advance ,Raqqa

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>>34626234


soon more proofs of crushing defeats for rebels in Arsal (including pics of surrendered rebels , in great numbers )

>>34626063
While I don't mind unverified shit being posted, especially with breaking news I am reminded of your recent Daraa posting. Not only did the SAA not regain anything, they quit with the Russians moving in and now it looks like they are doing the same in eastern Ghouta.

This is all tying together.

I got last breaking before I end of HTS taking more large areas from Al Sham in Idlib. There is no question that Al Qaeda runs Idlib. All of these recent events are shaping the battles to come.

I am fine with the various twitter messages being posted. We're all adult enough to question the claims given and do our own followup research. Besides, some of the twitter guys have a track record by now. For better or worse.

>>34626292
what u talking about ?

who claimed anything about Daraa ? you cant claim things that will or will not happen in the future , you can try to predict them ,and I gave my prediction

you must distinguish claims of what have happend and predictions

oreusser @AllyOfTruth 12 minprije 12 minuta

#HTS has taken control of Darat Izza and nearby locations from Ahrar

#Rumble in the Idlib continues

>>34599619
I really don't get why Israel should care, shouldn't Israel be happy that Hezbollah is stuck being rent a soldier in Syria instead of fucking around at the Lebanon border?

>>34626327
No i'm not angry with you , just saying that you can't come here and not be questioned which helps make this whole thing accurate. I expect the same treatment.

>>34626365
I dont care if I am questioned ,if there are pics/proofs I will post them with claims ,but if there are not it wont stop me from posting claim alone , so u make judgement of that claim on your own

I responded because u were talking non sense regarding Daraa , not sure what my predicition for Daraa offensive (which was wrong ) has to do with multiple source reporting same claim

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>This is where Tiger is leading his forces

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Deash

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can someone give me a quick rundown?

>>34623934
https://youtu.be/y2EkEsvwARE
Arisaka sights for ARs and LMGs when?

>>34586929
what is the bullpup?

>>34626688
Croatian VHS-2

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>>34625880
>>34625880
>what looks like aiming
>unit dispersion
>use of cover
>fire and movement

why is hellaballzah the only remotely competent looking forces in the ME?

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>>34626603

>>34626307
Oh thank goodness Anon is happy with twitter being posted I was kind of worried he wouldn't be :^)

>>34591309
>muh pipeline
>they started the Syrian civil war

shut the fuck up

>>34593234
I think you need to start taking medication

>>34593781
thnx for the write up

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5ODlFQqQPc

>>34626360
They want to kick hezb when they're weak which is understandable given the circumstances

>>34626603

Jihad monkeys fighting it out for the prized position of being the next one to be crushed once ISIS is squashed.

>>34627176
small (compared to others) totally volunteer forces, trained directly by Iran, flown out of Lebanon to Iranian military bases and given actual military training and bankrolled and equipped by Iran.

Say, if Hezbollah are starting to hold areas of any meaning in Syria.... what are the chances of Israel polishing the dust off their long range artillery and rockets and planes? I don't mean a few booms in retaliation for whatever but a serious campaign?

>>34628481
Hezbollah does "hold/protect" areas in Syria, that's already happened since 2013.

Israeli holds back and only strikes the occasional large arms transfer from Syria to Lebanon Hezbollah

Yusha Yuseef Verified account @MIG29_ 59m59 minutes ago

Militants midea : Forces called " Saraya Ahel Al-Sham " Stop fighting SAA + Allies in West Qalamoon , and wants a agreement to exit to Eldib

2 days and already asking for green bus

>>34628738
Serious campaign won't happen. Firstly cause Russia is involved, but even if Russia wasn't involved war with Syria, and by extension Lebanon, and by extension all Islamist Shia wouldn't be a popular thing in Israel atm.

Israel if they REALLY wanted could probably wipe the floor of Syrian military, or at least come close to that, but it's the whole situation afterwards and the lingering effects no one wants to deal with

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Yikes, the Amaq vid of ISIS counter artillery. How embarassing for SAA. Single ISIS D-30 counter hitting their batteries of multiple grad launchers and howitzer batteries.

regardless SAA will still grab Al-Sukanuh

>>34629727
Yes , I seen this after I got back on. I said earlier the SAA is knocking on the door of Al Sukhnah and IS answering it with their own strikes. Some of those IS guys do work with a D-30.
>>34628752
You are right Syrian geneal. FSA is leaving. We'll see what tomorrow brings in what's left of the HTS pocket. Jihadists last stand.

>>34622762
>Consider how often US troops in A'stan would take small arms fire from a few hundred meters away, return fire ineffectively until they ran low on ammo then retreat because they didn't have air support and lacked the manpower to actually push the engagement to the enemy fast enough to stop them just disappearing
Was somewhat rare and had more to do with pk outranging intermediate bullet desu.

>>34630130
huh?

potshot ambushes were like a daily thing in Afghanistan. Not saying they were effective, but "go out and shoot at Americans" was a daily activity at times.

>>34629727
Do you have video?

>>34626888
neat. thanks

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>>34630163
>go out and shoot at foreigners

this is actually the afghan national pastime

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>nork missile program getting a boost from Iranian engineers via Syria conspiracy bump

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>Tiger Forces within 40 km of Deir Ezzor city

>>34580641
I don't get it. Why?

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>>34632827

Preserving Your Purity.

Too many dicks get inside without protection.

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>>34632780

....look more like russkies to me?

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>>34633062

>идиoт

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Hezbollah offensive against Nusra and rebels ,Arsal

Hezbollah map showing Nusra has lost 65% of its pocket on the lebanese - syrian border so far (pic related)

Also:

6 Nusra fighters killed and tens of wounded on the third day of fighting in Arsal's countryside, along with 23 Nusra fighters killed in Fleita barrens, in Syria's Qalamoun

source:https://twitter.com/c_military1/status/888993677128986624


FOTOAGE of hezbollah advance :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=225&v=IlS2nu_Ztmk

>>34633414

correction : 46 Nusra fighters killed and tens of wounded on the third day of fighting in Arsal's countryside, along with 23 Nusra fighters killed in Fleita barrens, in Syria's Qalamoun.

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Yusha Yuseef: ISIS says that syrian Army targeted its Sites in Zore SHammar and Maadan villages as Map " 1-2 // East Raqqa CS


According to some reports SAA only 40KMs from Deir Ezzor from Raqqa axis

"Unconfirmed- Al masdar announcing Tiger Forces are already only 40 km from DEZ city"

40 km separated the forces of the Syrian Arab Army and the forces of Tribal Fighters and allied forces from the military airport in Deir al-Zour

https://www.facejew.com/AkbarMokatelyalashaeer/posts/1521044417961525

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTq7PvLDLiQ

Tribes are switching to winning team ,Raqqa axis will advance fast

>>34576038

kwerties airbase was a suspenseful siege drama, but Dier el Zor is an epic in every sense of the word.

>>34585334

>>34585334

do these guys face any legitimate threat in their area of operations, or are they just braaaaaping with impunity?

>>34593526

if turkey is being a douche to the west now, would the US support the kurds and move their bases there instead? do kurds and the US get on?

>>34593704
>Egypt's Mass Death Sentencing of 529 People Stirs Global Outrage
>>http://time.com/35829/egypt-529-death-sentence-muslim-brotherhood/

that's pretty much how you create a terrorist organisation in one hit. kill 500 dudes with like a million young male underemployed relatives and expect submission instead of insurrection. ......

>>34593732

so europe is seeded enough now with islamic instability they can get islam to openly turn on itself. things are so chaotically fucked over there it seems its almost fit to purpose.

>>34633478
blyatiful

>>34633531
There's manpads out there, albeit in lesser numbers than the ATGM spam we're used to seeing now, in part because the US has been rather less keen to hand out anything that can later threaten them in the air, plus manually aimed AA guns. High flying zoomies are in a pretty safe environment and A10s are in pretty much the scenario they are best for, shooting up ground targets in lightly contested airspace with no hostile fighters to bother them and only occasional disorganised ground fire.

>>34633567
Kurds and the US are an interesting mix that works for now because it's convenient for both parties, I'm not sure how well a longer term formal arrangement would work, even ignoring that it more or less assumes they have a fully independant state for such a thing to come about at all. I doubt the Kurds have any interest in being a US puppet state, and getting all the various factions that we routinely lump together as 'The Kurds' to agree to a long term agreement would be tough, and given that they're at heart essentially communist in idealogy, albeit not Soviet style commies, would likely present problems getting ongoing support for such an agreement in the US too once they're no longer an immediately useful proxy for fighting IS/stirring shit.

Then there's the fact that geographically Turkey is far more useful than any notional Kurdish state, having your foot in the door with whoever controls the Bosphorus is considerably more valuable than having an extra airbase in a landlocked and otherwise largely irrelevant bit of desert. Their location is what allows Turkey to get away with so much shit, the US, Russia and Europe wouldn't have nearly so much patience with a country acting the same way somewhere else.

>>34633414
Any vids of thos 200 FSA surrendering yesterday? or was it propaganda as suspected?

>>34633580
>that's pretty much how you create a terrorist organisation in one hit.
Except the terrorist organization formed years prior, and their relatives were likely already involved in the MB.
Really though, I don't think you understand how this works. Assad the father understood. He hit the MB in Syria like a hammer, leveling a city and killing over 10,000.
The result? MB was rooted from Syria and lost power.

The biggest mistake Assad the son made was trying to find a middle road. He used the secret police and went after the heads of the rebellion, but didn't crack down on the people hard enough.
Quickly the people stopped fearing the police and military and began mounting attacks directed at them, succeeding and posting the results on social media.

Once people began to believe a victory was possible, the rebellion was in full swing and hard to stop.

>>34633594
>so europe is seeded enough now with islamic instability they can get islam to openly turn on itself.
Don't quite understand what are you trying to say?
Intra Islamic conflicts began soon after the death of Muhammad, how do you figure Europe comes into the mix?

>>34625141

They better use those sparingly, Mukhtar Trump is not sending any more replacements so the Jihad niggers better start shooting at useful targets instead of sand berms, tents and single soldiers.

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>>34625413

These niggers literally have less than few days of existence remaining.

Hope they use it well, because there is verifiably no afterlife. Mohammad was just a charlatan telling stories to increase his own harem of whores. :3

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>>34633747
this is current map

so theres nowhere to run for them , either they will get killed or they will surrender

no video yet ,but logic dictates most them surrendered considering ,they were given an option to be greenbused to Idlib

>>34633751
Something that I don't see discussed much here is a possible consequence from Trump's decision.

So far, despite AQ affiliates a plenty and thousands of ATGMs supplied into Syria we were yet to see instances of the missiles getting smuggled into the west and used there.
It's my opinion that even Nusra understood any such action would stop western weapons supplies, something even they depended on indirectly.
With this incentive now gone, I wonder how long will it take for some AQ dude shooting at a landing plane in Europe or whatever.

>>34633775
>no video yet ,but logic dictates most them surrendered considering ,they were given an option to be greenbused to Idlib

Actually, logic dictates that they did not surrender, otherwise Hezbollah would have been quickly boasting vids of hundreds of surrendering FSA fighters.

Great propaganda stuff.

>>34633580

>If you kill your enemies, they win

Why are a you such a worthless cuck? Is it because you were raised by a single mother?

>>34633785
u understand they have 30% territory left , when Hezbollah captures fully those areas you will still believe no1 surrendered or no1 got killed

u truely are delusional , hearing Hezbollah and SAA crushing rebels in matter of days hurts u a lot I am sure

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>>34633781
>With this incentive now gone, I wonder how long will it take for some AQ dude shooting at a landing plane in Europe or whatever.

Let's hope it happens soon, with a lot of dead Westerners, for the world to realize the consequences of America's treachery.

>>34627291
Why?

>Hezbollah forces capture Hikab wadi al khayl & Hikab wadi al rayhan & Dalil Wadi al rayhan & Luzaba height & Shubat and Hikab al tobbah in the mountains of Arsal. Hezbollah also captures the military operation room of nusra at Wadi al khayl

https://www.facejew.com/The.True.Tube/posts/1396464057067997

Hezbollah advances against Nusra terrorists ,Arsal

https://twitter.com/C_Military1/status/889096109293002755

>>34633827
>you will still believe no1 surrendered or no1 got killed
Here we go with bullshit strawmans.
I never said no one got killed, stop lying or find a quote of me saying that.

Take a chill pill with the propaganda for a moment, some of us actually care to discuss what's really happening in Syria, and not just cheering one side.

But you're right, Hezbollah is deliberately hiding any vids and pics of the 200 surrendering FSA fighters. And I'm delusional.
This isn't /pol/, friend.

>>34633781
Smuggling is controlled by organized crime. That part of the world they're mostly Russian and aren't going to be friendly to muslims anyway and it would be retarded to smuggle rocket launchers for terrorism.

>>34633907
By your logic 10 000 or more civilians in eastern aleppo didnt exist and didnt exit area during government offensive because videos dont exist.By your logic 99% of things that happend in Syria actually didnt happen ,because no1 video taped them.

Nusra terrorist are getting crushed , and u are still thinking they are not surrendering just because video deosnt exist.

Nusra /rebel territory is reduced to 30% , its a pocket. Most of them will either get killed or they will surrender . No other option. Keep convincing yourself otherwise tho.

>>34633949
Yes, by "my" logic, claims require proof, strong claims require strong evidence.

There is ample evidence for civilians leaving Aleepo during the clashes there. There is none for 200 FSA fighters surrendering to Hezbollah.

Hey, why stop at 200, you can just as well claim 1000 FSA fighters surrendered, proof is not required.

It's even worse as hezbollah would have every incentive to advertise such a victory of having 200 troops surrender.
Just like they are making a shit ton of videos advertising their advance. It's a huge boost of moral and works well to demorolize the enemy.

But according to you, Hezbollah for some reason refuses to video tape or photo the 200 surrendering FSA, and has prevented others from doing so as well (Lebanese army and SAA units working in the operation as well).

Your claims makes zero sense, your disregard for evidence and proof in a war where both sides are constantly lying is sincerely amazing.

>>34633949
You're right 10,000 FSA and Nusra men surrendered at Arsal.

Proof? only stupid shills ask for proof.

>>34633781

Meh. ATGMs are one thing. RPG, Stingers and other ranged kabooms have been around since WW2. Heavy machineguns since what, the American Civil War? And we still have yet to see a landing or departing western aircraft attacked. The only one actually knocked down mid flight was fired at with a rocket from a 'ukrainian' battery requiring enough gear to require a crew - which was probably russian army - and far more complex than terrorists could operate.

>>34634036

first ,I never claimed anything , I posted tweet with a source it wasnt my claim

second,I never claimed hezbollah refuses to videotape or photo surrendering FSA ,I never made such claim .there can be multiple of reasons why videos dont exist or why videos are not being published atm ,I never claimed any of these reasons

what I am claiming logic dictates that if u attack enemy inside pocket and u gain control over more then 65% of pocket in short period of time, its nearly impossible that some of enemy didnt surrender

whether its 200 surrendered FSA atm its hard to tell and should contact the person that made the claim to see from where he got that info ,but 99% sure some of them surrendered already and very soon once Hezbollah captures area fully you will have 2 types of FSA in that pocket : 1. type - dead FSA , 2. type-surrendered FSA that are waiting to get greenbused to idlib . Be sure in the end number of surrendered FSA will exceed 200.

Just wait for a bit longer , once Hezbollah fully captures the area ,then u wont be able convince yourself in lies anymore and u will start sheding tears

>>34633846
because the syria pipeline story is an alex jones teir meme that actually predates the syrian war by more than ten years. variations of that story have been floating around since before the invasion of iraq. these was even a movie made around it with george cloony back in the mid 2000s iirc

>>34634057
For 99% of things that happen in Syria civil war u wont get proof . If u dismiss all informations simply because there are no physical evidences of them being true , you wont be able to follow this conflict , you have to often rely on reports/social media informations/logic and other sources to create perception of this conflict

in this case ,if Hezbollah is stteamrolling through FSA ,but u are fighting so fiercly against idea that some FSA surrendered to Hezbollah and your main argument is "no physical proofs " ,pointless even to discuss with you about this conflict

>>34634137
Nice to see some good old backpeddling:
>whether its 200 surrendered FSA atm its hard to tell and should contact the person that made the claim to see from where he got that info ,but 99% sure some of them surrendered already
When earlier it was:
>>34633775
>no video yet ,but logic dictates most them surrendered considering

Lets dumb it down, you posted a claim 200 FSA surrendered.
I stated it's highly unlikely that this happened, espeically so without proof.
You supported the report that 200 FSA already surrendered, in the *past* not in the *future*.

Notice how I have no issue with Hebollah reports on how much they captured or killed? because those reports make sense and are reasonable and are backed with evidence. Unlike the one above.

Now, you're backpeddling hard.
>Be sure in the end number of surrendered FSA will exceed 200.
Very likely. It's also very likely that by the end of the war the SAA would take control over DEZ. claiming the SAA controls DEZ now is still a lie.

>Just wait for a bit longer , once Hezbollah fully captures the area ,then u wont be able convince yourself in lies anymore
Wait, so 200 FSA troops did surrender and I'm lying? You're contradicting yourself in your own post.

Stop projecting, stop making excuses, and stop putting words in my mouth.
You're here to spread propaganda, which I don't mind, saves me half the work going over the propganda of both sides.

It is annoying when you're attacking people for not blindly believing bogus claims without evidence.

>>34634200
>For 99% of things that happen in Syria civil war u wont get proof
False.

>but u are fighting so fiercly against idea that some FSA surrendered to Hezbollah
False, not some 200.
200 is a huge number in context of how small the forces involved are.

>your main argument is "no physical proofs " ,pointless even to discuss with you about this conflict
Yes, asking for evidence is pointless, we should just blindly believe pro Hezbollah twitter accounts.

I guess your bullshit also applies for the pro rebels/Nusa/ISIS twitters too? No way to get evidence in this war so we should just blindly believe...

This is just retardation.

>>34634200
Never mind that random twitter sources from both sides are caught lying as often as not.

>>34634200

Just checking. The FSA being discussed here - are those the Turkish-supported FSA or one of the others? If so, is it reasonable to expect Turkey to show up on the scene very soon?

>>34634216
first u lied few times that I claimed something which I did not . You can see that in my previouse post.

>Lets dumb it down, you posted a claim 200 FSA surrendered.
I stated it's highly unlikely that this happened, espeically so without proof.
You supported the report that 200 FSA already surrendered, in the *past* not in the *future"

I was arguing your idea that they are not surrendering ,when they most likely are.I wasnt arguing this exact number.I was arguing your delusional idea that FSA is not surrendering eventho they are steamrolling.

>Very likely. It's also very likely that by the end of the war the SAA would take control over DEZ. claiming the SAA controls DEZ now is still a lie.

SAA controls part of Deir Ezzor so its not a lie.Here again your showing your ignorance or just lying like u did few times already.

>Wait, so 200 FSA troops did surrender and I'm lying? You're contradicting yourself in your own post

I dont think u understand what contradicting means.

its very obvious Hezbollah steamrolling FSA is hard for you , its hurts ,that why u want question and dont want to believe things if they are not 100% proven with phsyical proofs , you dont want to get hurt by reality

>>34634289
No not Turkish supported, and Turkey wouldn't be able to do much anyway with the conflict being so far away from it's borders (it's on Lebanon's North eastern border with Syria).

>>34634314
>I was arguing your idea that they are not surrendering ,when they most likely are.I wasnt arguing this exact number.I was arguing your delusional idea that FSA is not surrendering eventho they are steamrolling.

Are you stupid?
See here:
>>34633747
>Any vids of thos 200 FSA surrendering yesterday? or was it propaganda as suspected?
>Any vids of thos 200 FSA surrendering yesterday
>200 FSA surrendering
Or here:
>>34626177
>200 FSA is huge if true, but then should have some photos/vids of this soon.


Your reply was
>no video yet ,but logic dictates most them surrendered considering ,they were given an option to be greenbused to Idlib

"most of them" is a number greater than 200 even.

No one in their right mind would argue against some FSA/Nusra surrendering, or care. You're again backpaddling on your claims.
Had your position been that some FSA/Nusra surrendered no one would have had an issue with a claim like this.
200 in a day is a large number that requires proof.

>>34634314
>that why u want question and dont want to believe things if they are not 100% proven with phsyical proofs

>I don't believe claims unsual claims with zero (0%) proof.
>Therefor I am a shill.

As you've shown before, anyone that doesn't automatically believe Hezbollah propaganda is a shill... according to your logic.