/arg/

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>>34559220
guess i can't post muh dik

Is a QD scope mount worth it at all

>What is Burt's dinner tonight?

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>>34559220
Under 5 lbs

>>34559232
Depends how good the scope is

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>posting 4 thread

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>>34559220
>under 5 pounds

Nope

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Anyone want to sell me an ACOG

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>>34559247
how many gbp

>>34559262
Did I pay? 300 bones

>>34559259
Sure how much $$ you got

>I just payed full price for a KAC grip
Fuck me why did they have to have green?

>>34559272
what are you selling it for

>>34559310
F

>>34559315
looking for trade
probably a 2-10 scope or something

>>34559315
This really is all your fault. I really like the feel of the KAC VFG.

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>>34559339
Near ideal for grasping desu

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change grip y/n

>>34559331
gl

>>34559339
shoulda just rattle canned one :^

>>34559359
y
the A1 had wear inconsistent with the pristine parts

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Is a meltysight + d-evo the best optics setup?

>>34559367
fingers crossed
it works really well

>>34559367
I could have, but unlike Mlok it is nice having lots of options for VFGs.

>>34559359
Yea the magpul one.

>>34559374
i dislike the devo because of the battery placement

>>34559359
looking at this again i'm noticing how strong the angles of that grip, the stock, and the 20 are

looks bold

mlok users, when will they learn?

>>34559247
GIB. OMY TO OR

>>34559413
it doesn't have illumination tho

Any of you manlets roll with 357 SIG or are you a bunch of weiners

>>34559459
Go buy some, it's not that expensive.

>>34559273
$700

>>34559273
$720

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niggha

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Is there any group of people that need to kill their kts themselves more than keymod users?

>>34559521
reported for racism, poverty, and faggotry

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I am in the market for a spotting scope. I grab a $50 off amazon and it works for the purpose of seeing out but I wear glasses and have to flip them up and out of the way to get it close enough to my eye to see. Kind of an annoying pain. Can anyone recommend a good spotting scope that can use an iphone 6 plus to make the image larger without needed to put my actual eye to lens?

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>>34559534
sheeit

>need to update this pic

>>34559510
>>34559519
Guys I got this from a natl guard armorer who knows his stuff...meet me in the middle, $1050

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>>34559459
welcome to portland friend

>>34559542
how's adult life treating you fluffer?

>>34559554
srs tho name you're price

pb if you come to portland will you sign my ar

>>34559537
How far you shooting?

>>34559585
Not very far. Only have a 3x and don't plan on going out much further then it's effective range.

>>34559546
$725 and 10lbs of dillo dust

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>>34559542
You need to update your rail and your career

>>34559604
https://skopecam.com/

>>34559577
yes

pb if you come to portland will you touch my peener

>>34559628
fuggin sic, orbro sell him your stuff u jerk

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>>34559566
meh, my jobs ok and ive been getting some help with my problems but i miss being a neet

spending 14 hours a day online was fun, was teaching myself a lot of things about computers and shit posting was fun too

also ive been trying to focus on finding a girlfriend now but i haven't been really going at it that seriously

>>34559651
How heavily medicated are you?

>>34559651
>gets a job
>no longer wants to get spit roasted by bbc
God bless America

>>34559651
>girlfriend(male)

>>34559651
If you're on anti depressants you shouldn't have guns.

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>>34559663
how much do you think is a lot?

>>34559678
my doctor was concerned about it

>>34559694
You seem terribly lucid, mature and less emotional
It must be A LOT of drugs

>>34559694
2 pills a day, same or different. And if you go Lanza just do it to yourself.

I think I'm gonna do an AccuPower 1-4x for my rifle, it seems decently priced but not ultra poorfag

>>34559694
A handful.
>>34559714
This

>>34559726
Look down one before you buy if possible, the one I owned had really bad ghosting and reflection of the reticle in the tube. I don't know if they're all like that or mine was a lemon I didn't wait to find out, I took it back for a full refund instead of fucking around with having it looked at.

>>34559726
I liked mine

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>>34559694
Where did you get this image? Your crop is shit and I need to redo it

>>34559273
$740

wouldn't your AR be even lighter if you deleted the tranditional charging handle for a side charger bolt carrier and upper?

yeah you would have a reciprocating charging handle, but you save precious grams and one less part.

>>34559771
Of course, I'm just planning because I want some kind of low-variable scope and I'm trying to gauge just how much I want to cheap out. My budget cheapo option is a Strike Eagle, but I'm trying to look upwards

>>34559800
downside: Its a piece of shit

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>>34559800
no

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>>34559792
http://i.4cdn.org/d/1500181328175.png

>>34559800
not even close

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>is he cheating?
>mk18 or mini recce?

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>>34559800
Just drill holes in it.

>>34559804
>Strike Eagle
Don't, it's awful. For the money a Stroke Beagle and qd mount would run you, you could get an actually nice Aimpoint PRO.

>>34559847
>mini recce

>>34559850
Yeah, I was considering an Aimpoint PRO too, I'm just not sure if I would rather have a red dot at that price, or just save up for a bit and grab the AccuPower.

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>>34559834
misery

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>>34559800
>>34559810
>>34559834
>>34559847
>>34559848
>>34559854
It's so light.

>>34559854
>>34559847
>recce

>>34559862
I'm not accusing Trijicon or Accupowers of being bad--just look down the one you're going to buy first, if at all possible.

Also, please don't get a Trijicon variable and then retard its potential with a cheap-ass Burris PEPR mount or similar. Get a brobro.

>>34559854
>>34559874
>getting pissy when someone uses a nickname for 14.5"
>shooting past 300 with your 10.3"
who's the pleb

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>>34559854
Bruh u liek muh new ar?

>>34559883
>Burris PEPR
oh god no
The cheapest I was looking at was LaRue's SPR mount

>>34559885
I bet you unironically watch Nutn too

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>>34559873
>it's so light

>>34559901
That's a low blow anon that really hurts

so general consensus is cqbr?

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>>34559908
bruh muh recoil impulse

>>34559927
in two months mk18 will be the gayest rifle around and something else will be the fad, maybe ultralights like Burto's new build. I was banging the mk18 drum back in Jan/Feb when RIS II was on fire.

>>34559908
Don't have baby skin

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>>34559938
POUNDS

>>34559646
I want like $800 though or a 2.5-10 scope

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>>34559946
or Psi's bubbablaster

>>34559957
post more pics

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hello night /k/

>>34559927
Whatever the current meme is. I kinda like the idea of a baby geissele with an N1 but my next 5.56 will probably be an AUG then an FNC. There's not much else I can think of in the caliber I really want

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>>34559946
I sincerely hope it's integrally suppressed uppers and good camp jobs

>>34559985
You would be the most aesthetic mall shooter of all time

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>>34559994
>tripfags in charge of creativity
Imagine my surprise

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>>34559999
America is a tune, it must be sung together

>>34559985
hi fag

>>34559994
get out

>>34560017
Was your pic supposed to be related?

>>34560062
Nyet

>>34559885
>14.5
>recce

>>34560089
>hence "mini"

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>>34559220
Judge me.

>>34560089
>accuracy is correlated with barrel length
no

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>>34560098
get a trijicon reflex sight they're on sale

>>34560106
recce rifles aren't 14.5 no matter what bcm says

>>34560116
is BCM the CNN of the gun industry?

>>34560114
ware

>>34560129
cabelas websight trijicon RMR

>>34560129
cabela's

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>>34560114
RMR?

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>>34560129
>>34560135
>>34560136

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>>34560135
>>34560136
how come I get the later post number fuck you hiroshimoot

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a b-bit more than 5 pounds, s-sir

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>>34560173

>g17 gen4 complete slide with night sights for 290 shipped
Hmm

>>34560196
>implying you can afford it

>>34559982
Now that It's finally nighttime pics inc soonTM*

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>>34560196
gen 4 sux

>>34560145
Seriously debating on if I want to spend the money on an RMR and subsequently the slide milling for one.

>>34560210
I already bought enough shit this week. I was gonna see if WhatJew wanted it

>>34560214
what model is it

>>34560221
He already has a slide
>>34560215
Osprey sux
>>34560182
>that buis placement
>no acog
>that buis

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>>34560215
What gen is this famahandwentblam

>>34560236
3

>>34560232
>Osprey sux
I was just about to post this

>>34560236
3

>>34560232
Oh, rip

>>34560242
>>34560245
Neat. I'mma check gb for gen3s then

>>34560232
don't have the spare cash for acog, so probably going with the 3x PA prism. mbuis is 100% temporary

>>34560254
>so probably going with the 3x PA prism
pathsofglory/10

>>34560252
>I'mma check gb for gen3s
don't get caught up in gen3 vs gen4
it doesn't really matter

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Sup guys.

>>34560263
what's wrong with PoG and PA prism?

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>>34559620
Jesus how much money is that in railscales?

>>34560142
Mini eokek

>>34560281
sell me your old gen2 on the cheap

>>34560266
I just wanna know how cheap his blawks really are, he's constantly putting up new ones but I don't follow them at all. He wants like 320 shipped for that one with a set of trijicons

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>>34560232
wtf I hate osprey now

>>34560278
chinese and youll just end up upgrading later

used acogs arent that expensive

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>>34560291
Already sold, I told you what to do in GQ. Ill add you to some groups on FB if you want.

>>34560329
>I told you what to do in GQ.
Oh I'll go look. I'm already in some good groups, thanks tho.

Probably best to stop being a poorfag and wait.

>>34559220
>Moles in my yard
Looks like my at will taste blood

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W/o nv

>>34560277
Did you get a Geissele ddc mount and an 1-6x Razor yet?

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W/nv

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>>34559886
oh hell no!

>>34560405
Shit green af dawg

I forgot, anyone got suggestions for an 80% jig?
>>34560151

>>34560504
If you have access to a router go that way with ezjig. Otherwise its going to fucking suck and you are going to kill your drill press

>>34560405
w/o thermals

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P dramatic difference

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>>34559622
Is this the future?

>scopes will give their users a 5.7in HD blowup of their target and automatically adjust for range and wind

>>34559353
I fucking love the way LaRue quads look

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>>34560618
Sounds gay af desu. I dread the day guns become that technologically dependent

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>>34559908
My rifle is under 5lbs if I take off the irons and flashlight. It recoils as much as my 10/22 because it has a v7 titanium bolt.

>>34560642
Yeah I agree they're sick

>>34560643
Well it might not be dependent. Just convenient. I am kind of curious if it can record in any kind of quality with the shock of the round going off.

>>34560655
Go pros already do. Luckily huds are gonna be useless for a longlong time. The F35 is the only one I know of that halfway works

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I may expose an uncomfortable amount of ankle by asking this, but is there any difference between buffer tubes? I can get paying more for higher quality springs and full kits, but not just the tube itself. Is it just paying more for some company's rollmark, or is there an advantage in buying an expensive one?

>>34560692
some of them have additional features like extra drainage holes, cuts to make them lighter, more adjustment spots for stock settings and shit like that. If none of that appeals to you then just get a cheap standard one.

>>34560682
>he doesn't want huds
Oh you can eat a dick, throw the old out and embrace the future. Put on a helmet and have a small light weight electronic scope transmit the target at your selected range with perfectly calibrated eye relief into both eyes. That would be amazing.

>>34560716
You probably want a self driving car too, don't you cuckboi

>>34560714
Thanks anon!

>>34560732
be sure to buy milspec and not commercial spec

>>34560692

Yes.

The cheap chinese ones you'll see on eBay and Amazon are often out of spec.

I've had 2 that wouldn't fit a stock on them without hammering it on (and even then it wouldn't adjust)

I had one where the BCG wouldn't retract far enough into it to lock the bolt open.

Just make sure you buy the buffer tube from a reputable company, not some fly-by-night Chinese knockoff.

>>34560722
Well eventually yeah. Nigga you need to let go of what you think makes your day to day life more "manly and rugged" by doing stuff without the benefit of technology. I want us to hurry the fuck up so we can take casual low orbit flights on mars and beam our brains directly into the internet and enjoy immortality.

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>>34560722
Don't you have a 1911 to clean while you watch Matlock?

>>34560739
It's not about manly and rugged it's that I don't want to lose the shit I like doing. Automation is gonna be the worst fucking thing cause it's gonna put a shitton of people out of work, despite the population growing exponentially, and is gonna have a bunch more people wanting the government's hands down their throat

>>34560745
Maybe I do

>>34560735
Is there a difference beyond shape? I know the commercial spec one has an angled rear plate and one is a bit bigger, when I was looking at stocks I settled on mil spec because it seems there's a wider selection.

>>34560736
>>34560263
wdhmbt?

>>34560777
Paths shills for PA

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>>34560805
Hey now, PA brings optical technology to the impovershed

>>34560819
>>34560805
what is it with no-trip trips?

>>34560832
It's what's hot right now

Also I'm fuckin lazy

>>34560832
Adds to our post count without being overly identifiable
>>34560819
>argento

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>>34560858
>>34560819
Forgot my pic

>>34560858
>>argento
Explain

>>34560867
Some artist that draws sonic characters, as shown in his pic there. Not for me.

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>>34560890
Oh. I just search by tags for croppable images desu, I know like 2 artists amd that's it

>>34560890
Way to reveal your power level tho, kek

Anyone here run an aero precision rail and is it good?

>>34560935
I had one for a short time, is good rail

>>34560940
Why did you have it for only a short time?

>>34560958
Traded it to a buddy for car work, he liked it a lot so the exchange was gtg

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Just found out I have an astigmatism and can't use red dot sights. Would it be weird to put a 1-4 scope on my 11.5" 5.56 SBR?

>>34561145
Get a mro. I have horrible astigmatism and my mro works great

>>34561160
I'll check it out. Thanks

>>34561145
Wear glasses

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>under five pounds edition
easy

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>>34559359
No. The lines are straight fire. Only thing that is getting to me is the color mismatch between upper and lower, but that is a testament to just how fucking clean the rifle is. What optic?

>>34560644
I like this rifle. Would like to see some more images, maybe horizontal orientation.

>>34561145
I have astigmatism and red dots are 100% usable. Have you actually tried one yet or are you going off of memes from arfcom?
You might be pleasantly surprised.

In for why are Gen4 G17 frames more than twice the price of Gen3 frames, and why won't the armslist guy selling the cheap Gen3 frame get back to me? He already accepted my offer earlier this week, now we just gotta set up a meeting time.

>>34561145
Look at the target not the dot

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>>34560127
No that's tango down
>fake news

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Are elcan clones haram?
http://www.evike.com/products/37236/

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Can you recommend me a comfy buttstock?
My current (standard) one has a rubber/plastic ending like pic related, and after some dozen shots it's uncomfy as fuck on my shoulder even with a muzzle break.. I am aware that the best solution is to stop being a faggot pussy. Anyways,.thinking of something like these maybe:
>>34559353
>>34559995

>>34562375
yes

>>34562429
get a .22lr

>>34562429
your stance is wrong or you're anorexic
fix it faggot

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>>34562463
when anons attack

>>34562481
You really are sensative

>>34562375
Wolf PSU. It's a Russian Elcan clone that uses German Schott glass. According to a review from TFB, it is equal to the Elcan.

http://ammunitionstore.com/products/wpa-1x-4x-32mm-psu-variable-zoom-optic.html

>>34562492
>internal adjustments
might actually be better

>>34562492
Not him but I hope its better than the Russian optics Ive had. Theyve all been trash, Vortex had better quality than them. 2 PSOs and a PK-AS.

>>34562507
This is supposed to be the top of the line when it comes to Russian optics.

It originally launched with a price point of $1300 and was supposed to compete with ACOGs but Wolf's marketing is shit and nobody ever caught onto it.

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>>34559233
Underrated

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>>34562529
>top of the line
>russian optics

>>34562538
It uses German gucci glass though.

>>34562546
One component doesnt make the whole thing nice

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>>34562535
>that patch tho
Long time no see Shark.

>>34562491
sensative?
also i'm not >>34562429

>>34562429
SL-S with extended pad

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>>34562555
What it do famm.

Anyone know the height off the rail of the matech buis? wondering if it will have clearance with an certain optic

>>34562571
Keepin that hussle going son. Also debating getting a Centurion C4 midlength cutout or just getting a PSA free floar upper. Theyre the same damn price and ive got optics and irons for days.

>>34562580
a certain optic*
no bully

>>34562580
Get a new KAC micro rear off ebay for like $60

>>34562580
I can get my calipers, what optic?

>>34562585
send me an optic and i'll be your runescape gf

>>34562589
What optic?

>>34562594
>>34562601
i shouldnt have worded it that way, sorry
no optic in mind yet, just wondering if it's compatible with most, it looks pretty tall
and >>34562592
i like the matech's aesthetics more

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>>34562580
This is top of the rail to top of the main body. The dial section sticks up higher but is offset.

>>34562620
thank you, kind caliper anon

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>>34562620
Close as i can get, a bit taller but off to the left side.

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>>34562635
And just to get a general idea, here is a PA3x prism on an ADM mount. My lighting in here sucks, sorry.

>>34562660
oh fug lol, the PA prism is actually one i have in mind, how do you like it?
that the 3x?

Good hand guard for a MK12 inspired build?

>>34562673
unless the QD mount adds any significant height

>>34562681
Any FF quad or spend the 600 on the KAC FF(if you can even find it)

>>34562689
There's a few on ebay for around $450.

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>>34562673
It is the 3x, i like everything ive gotten from PA, ive got their light, the 3x and the MD-ADS at some point ill get the 1-6x. My opinion of the 3x is that for what it is it's an awesome optic. It is very hardy in its construction aka it weighs a good bit. The glass is clear and the batteries are cheap. Ive had no failuers and no breaches if you get it definetly get the ADM mount. You can always seperate it and use it for an ACOG later if you get that involved. I got the kill flash as well which address a couple of grips in my opinion. Those being: the scope looks abrupt without the kill flash and the metal around the objective seems thin. This being because it is threaded for the KF. The reticle while extremely handy is a bit busy for my tastes. That being said my final verdict is its a good little scope i like the reticle better that Vortex and that it seems more aware of the aftermarket than Vortex. If i did it all over again would I get it? Yes, but it would be after I got the PA 1-6x. The 1-6 will do what this does and more plus I like the reticle in the 1-6x more than the PA3X or the Strike Eagle.

>>34562728
Is the eye relief as bad as some make it out to be? that's my biggest concern since it's going on an a4 style rifle

>>34562754
Itll vary from person to person, but ive never had an issue. And unlike some i dont shoot nose to charging handle. If its unacceptable you can always return it.

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>>34560142
Pay full price for one

>>34562681
MWS upper

>>34562681
KAC ff long ras

How many of you niggots can handle 357 SIG?

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>>34562869
>implying

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>>34562673

I have the 5x in a GDI mount. Surprisingly good. Seconding the reticle being a little busy, but rather intuitive once you get used to it. Faster than I expected too.

>>34562869
357 is for fags

>>34562869
>can handle

Lol wristlets

>>34562891
>wristlets
>arg general
Checks out

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I installed a magpul butt stock and it rattles around like it's larger than the buffer tube, what did I do wrong?

>>34562917
Is it a commercial spec stock?

>>34562920

Not sure, I bought this one

http://palmettostatearmory.com/moe-lower-build-kit-black.html

>>34562936
You must've got an especially shitty MOE stock. Upgrade to SL or CTR and you will have no rattle.

>>34562936
>>34562947
or upgrade from magpul altogether

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Well i know this is arg but i feel like you guys know an autistic amount about rifle optics.

What are med-high level options for 0-300yard optics for 7.62x39?

Honestly I can't decide between a plain red dot and magnified optic, but I'm leaning to simple red dot.

I was thinking about the aimpoint pro, but im just not sure if thats the best option

>>34563024
for an ak i presume?

>>34563024
>7.62x39
it's either
>an AK (this is arg, shoo)
>an AR in x39 (absolutely haram, fuck off)

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>>34563006
Magpul/Geissele is peak AR

Does anyone know what barrel profile that Crane is using for their mid-length gas test?

>>34563042
>Magpul
>peak AR
Can those words be in the same sentence without "isn't" in-between them?

>>34563042
no

>>34563063
>>34563061
yes

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>>34563067
no
besides their MOE grip, trigger guard, and UBR they're a shit

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>>34563057
looks like pencil profile

>>34563078
Wrong. SL is perfection. UBR a shit

>>34563086
I didn't even know they made something that basic/budget tier until today

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>>34563024
x39 is a pretty poor choice for 300m

>>34563057
looks like dyel profile. im more interested in what gas port size they're using

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Anyone have experience with or opinions on http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-8-5-pistol-length-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-2a-armament-7-m-lok-classic-sob-pistol-516446379.html

I already bought it but I was wasted and want to know what to expect yo

>>34563112
>8.5" 5.56
You bought a cool looking noise maker. 10.5" is the minimum barrel length for serious use.

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>>34563127
>serious use

>>34563127
I've read that since, I've also read that with very specific ammo, very expensive ammo like black hills 50gr TRX that it becomes a moderately effective platform but honestly I just wanted a fun range toy, I already have a carbine length AR-15

>>34563141
10.5" is the minimum for 2 legged game. 8.5" doesn't give you enough velocity.

>>34563112
>>34563127
Get an obnoxious brake and then it's operator af since it'll be a concussion grenade every time you pull the trigger

>>34563037
>>34563039
Vz58 pistol that ill be SBRing
>>34563102
Well i meant 300 as the max range, as in i dont plan on it but ya...

100 to 200 is what im aimin for

>>34563163
Aimpoint Micro

>>34563154
You sound like you think all 5.56 is the same load

>>34563156
Good thinking, I was thinking about making some kind of cone around the barrel so noise and flames shoot towards my enemies but I don't know how to mount my 1200 lumen flashlight set to full strobe so that it can blind my enemies without the cone interfering with my seizure device

>>34563154
i use my 3.5inch AR to hunt elephants from 3 miles away with frangible, stop your barrel length memes

>>34563169
More velocity is more velocity, nigger. Specialty ammo can only close the gap to a certain extent.

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>>34563183
>"flames shoot towards my enemies"
>"my 1200 lumen flashlight"
Why would you have two illumination devices?

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>>34563184
>>34563169
Aight guys, you all seem to have a very different opinion than the other guy, if I needed to would standard green tips out of an 8.5 inch barrel be a manstopper if I used it for home defense? What about at 50 and 100 yards?

>>34563186
>Specialty
tipped match bullets are common as fuck

>>34563194
Green tip isnt a good manstopper in general.

>>34563194
Green tip for HD
where the fuck do you live?

>>34563024
1.5x scope

>>34563199
And those tipped match bullets when fired out of a longer barrel are going to have much better terminal performance.

5.56mm advice thread plz help

>>34562977

>>34563215
2" is less of a deal than you think

>>34563206
In the heart of Mosul, well I live near Section 8 so close enough

>>34563232
You voluntarily moved there?
awful

>>34563226
When you're talking about 20" and 18" sure, but the difference between 8.5" and 10.5" is fucking huge.

>>34563241
Actually they built up around me, I bought here ~5 years ago and it has gone to hell awfully quick

>>34563244
200-250fps? means less than you think, especially if your not trying to get bullets much farther out than shouting distance

>>34562869
Wut? It's not even as bad as .40s&w

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>>34563259
>investing in soon to be ghetto property
F

>>34563259
Thanks Uncle Sam

Diversity is our greatest strength

>>34563211
Any suggestions?

>>34563284
Don't listen to giddy

>>34559886
where do you find that in rapture?

Do high pressure rounds like the new M855A1 damage gas piston driven ARs? If so, which ones can handle the increased pressure?

>>34563313
Don't bother with piston ARs, they're a gimmick.

>>34562947
>>34563006

If the butt stock is loose fitting am I able to return it to palmetto state?

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>>34562585
Centurion cutout. Also the contrasting rail cover and rail color thing looks ugly IMO.

>>34563112
Straight fucking meme my dude. Anon is right, any 5.56 less than 10.5" is going to have some serious limitations. The rail is nice though I guess.

>>34563226
It isn't a linear relationship so you can't even make a qualitative or quantitative claim about a given barrel length difference without first talking about which to barrel lengths you're considering. Anon shouldn't have bought an 8.5" 5.56 pistol AR, or at least he shouldn't have bought it and expected to be taken seriously because surprise surprise, little 5.56 pistols like that are toys, not tools.

>>34563325
No

>>34563319
What if im sick of cleaning my gun after every single trip to the range and would rather just wipe a piston rod off rather than take apart a bolt carrier group every time?

Id pay $500 more for a rifle that takes 1/4th the time to clean and doesnt even need it after every shoot. Also doesnt need to run wet either.

It facilitates practice by making it easier to fit range time into schedules

>>34563325
worse comes to worst, just buy a new buffer tube for <$50

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>>34559220
Fat ASS reporting.

>>34563326
>it isnt a linear relationship
Its literally a linear differential of 2". This allows for completely 'qualitative or quantitative claims'

>they are toys, not tools
Do you know where your at?

>>34563340
>What if im sick of cleaning my gun after every single trip to the range and would rather just wipe a piston rod off rather than take apart a bolt carrier group every time?
>Id pay $500 more for a rifle that takes 1/4th the time to clean and doesnt even need it after every shoot. Also doesnt need to run wet either.

Then you're a fucking retard. You can go thousands of rounds without cleaning an AR and even on piston ARs you have to lube and clean the BCG.

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>>34563340
>cleaning my gun after every single trip to the range
Why are you doing this?

>>34563365
Don't talk to him, he's brain damaged.

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Alright, in an attempt to salvage this and make it a decent range toy I'm doing spikes tactical barking spider 2 mb, magpul hand stop, mbus set, moe grip, and holosun 403a red dot. Anything else I should consider? I've only configured one AR before but I just threw a carry handle on it and called it a day so I'm not sure if there's other cool off the wall shit worth doing like bayonets or underbarrel glock mounts

>>34563377
Resell value

>>34563372
If you dont clean a GI AR and lube it, you can start having jams after just a few hundred rounds

A piston one pretty much requires nothing for thousands until you want to clean off the piston system and then wipe off the bolt carrier group

Piston heats up the front and ejects all the shit in fromt of you though, so you do kind of need metal front signts

>>34562917
magpul

>>34563397
>>34563377
I want my rifle to last decades, not years

>>34563386
for a range toy and HD gun, get the holosun or the irons, no reason to get both
why are you spending more on accessories for a drunk purchase that you regret than you did on the purchase itself? tf

>>34563412
Then you should stop cleaning it so much

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>>34563413
I bought most of the cool shit while drunk honestly. I have a problem

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>>34563365
It isn't a linear relationship between barrel length difference and muzzle velocity difference. Muzzle velocity loss from 20" to 18" is not the same magnitude as muzzle velocity increase from 10.5" to 12.5". That is why whenever someone says "lol only 2" you're know they don't know what they're talking about". Go read this:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/714088_Suppressed-5-56-SBR-Velocity-Tests--41-Factory-Loads-from-10-5--11-5--12-5-and-14-5-ALL-DONE-.html
Then watch some gel videos, then come back to the discussion.

>Do you know where you're at
Suit yourself. You'll rationalize it either way. Just trying to help you out, but don't complain when dudes at the range or the LGS treat you like a child.

>>34563425
From 10.5 to 8.5" you loose ~200 to 250fps depending on load.

>>34563424
well if you're dumb enough to spend $400 to justify an already expensive mistake, go further and buy a KAK shockwave and buy a 10.5 upper and sell the 8.5 (or just chop it down to 2 inches)

>>34563365
It doesn't work that way man. You lose 100 fps when going from 20" to 18", you lose 200 fps when going from 10.5" to 8.5"(when using m855).

>>34563398
>If you dont clean a GI AR and lube it, you can start having jams after just a few hundred rounds
That is 100% bullshit. The only reason mil rifles occasionally jam is because of shit mags and worn out springs, if you were to replace the buffer and extractor spring on them they would easily go 2,000 rds without malfunction. Do some fucking research man, DI "unreliability" is a pure fucking myth that gets peddled by HK funded shills.

>>34563425
>dudes at the LGS or range treat you like a child

What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously, explain that shit.

>>34563412
A little bit of carbon is not going to erode away your rifle and ruin it.

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>>34563425
what >>34563473 said
also
>caring what random people that are most likely shooting "UTG Special" ARs think about you

>>34563425
>that ar
I'm so sorry anon

>>34563422
How does cleaning with a little solvent lube and brushing out the barrel junk damage it?

>>34563529
>>34563529

>>34563528
extra wear

>>34563465
If fired one dry using standard M193 and started having noticeable buildup after 200 rounds. It still fired but if felt like it was getting filled with shit(was beginning to get hard to pull the charging handle etc)

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>>34563386
I would consider flipping it immediately locally for maybe a $50 loss at most as it is brand new. Don't sink money into straight toys unless you have your tools sorted out first, and if you do, make sure they're at least cool toys, not 8.5" 5.56 ARs.

>>34563473
More serious gun owners often don't respect less serious gun owners as much as they would another more serious gun owner. There are tons of threads on /k/ full of casuals whining about rude/standoffish gun store employees. I'm not saying it is right, but it certainly is descriptively accurate. I mean hell just the other day I ran into an old friend at the gun show. We chatted a bit, and made tentative planes to go shooting. Later I texted him and asked to clarify what sort of AR he owned, what sort of gear, and what sort of shooting he is into. He's a good acquaintance, and I respect him immensely academically, but if he's got some normie AR, shit gear, and an unwillingness to move towards more serious stuff then I'm not going to be shooting with him more than once or twice.

>>34563538
Copper brushes dont damage barrels

Lube/solvent and paper towels/qtips dont damage bolt carrier groups

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>>34563552
Gun store owners are universally fucking retarded both in terms of running a business and in the products they sell and employees they manage. I have barely met exceptions to the rule and very rarely go into purchase anything anymore. Theyre mostly just an online transfer place for me.

>>34563552
>I'm not going to be shooting with him more than once or twice.
Put some effort in man, show him the error of his ways.

>>34562571
You said in the previous thread you live in Central VA, I just recently moved to Richmond and have no idea where to go shoot except colonial shooting academy which kinda sucks.

>>34559220
With gander mountain going out of business, i have the opportunity to get an entry level ar for under 4 hundo. Assuming barebones stock model (s&w m&p or similar), how much would i need to invest to make the gun acceptable? I'm assuming new trigger, maybe bcg, possibly a barrel upgrade. Foregrip and optic. I'm not looking to run competitions but i would like to be able to shoot at distances up to 200yds.

>>34564265
BCG and barrel on the M&P is fine. Just upgrade the trigger, grip, stock, and get a free float hand guard. Make sure you get the model that has a forward assist and dust cover.

>>34563167
What advantages does the micro give over the aimpoint pro?

>>34560777
>>34560263

you'll never see me advocate for PA