Battle Rifle General/BRG/

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>>34547265
>What is the difference between the DSA Voyager and SA58?
One is shit one is not
One is cast one is not
One is surplus parts one is not
Don't buy a voyager

>>34547276
>implying they both aren't shit
>implying FA(i)Ls aren't shit

>>34547325

>>34547276
Good to know. Thanks anon.

>>34547329

>>34547265
>>34547276
new SA58 rifles are cast, and the voyager has surplus parts but more of a mishmash than the SA58. rear irons are one example.

the only difference now is that SA58 rifles are duracoated

you can even get voyagers with carry handle cuts

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>when the upgrades are worth more than the fucking gun

>>34547265
you could have bought a scar with the money you put into those stupid guns

>>34548519
pfft, please. it's only a thumbnail

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>>34547265

What's the chances on 500$ C308s being offered again?

Yes I know it's a shit.

Are DSA Receivers the best on the market for FALs? Kind of new to this. I can't afford a parts kit right now but would like to buy a receiver and get it out of the way.
I was looking at the Type 1 with carry handle cut

>>34549203
Imbel, ugly as shit but breddy gewd

>>34548910

How do C308's compare with PTRs? Never really considered them until I saw one hanging on the wall of my local gun shop for $600 earlier today.

>>34549320
I see a couple on gunbroker, not too bad at 250$. Is that about what I should expect to pay?

I was hoping to pick up an L1A1 kit, which I know is inch pattern.

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>>34547265
Because they are worth it

>>34547265
they wont do any work on a voyager beyond basic warranty

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>>34547265
I'm in

>>34547265
So I has a PTR and 2 Garands... what next? I was thinking an 308 AR but they're kinda... boring

>>34549353

I'm still in the market so I haven't been hands on but they seem to get a lot of flak for simply being a century product. I saw a review that had a slam fire but his firing pin was broken so that does happen sometimes and they don't have the HK diopter sights. I read that they're actually contracted to PTR for production from surplus CETME part but I don't know which are surplus and which are PTR.

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>>34549578

Hey guys, I'm looking to pick up a battle rifle to round out my collection, and to hunt/plink at range with. Which rifle has the most parts availability, accuracy and reliability

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>>34547265
Alrighty, faggots.
I have an Imbel parts kit. I built it, busting the gas tube and bending the receiver in the process. I unfurled the receiver (it's smooth as butter with no kinks or anything whatsoever) and bought a Belgian gas tube.
I now have it functional (sort of)
The thing is, it only works about half the time, and ONLY with steel cased ammo.
The brass seems to bind/expand too much.
I have the gas in between 1 and 2 on the regulator (yeah, the setting with zero holes for gas to vent through except the ports down the tube)
It still functions like shit.
Do I need to check the headspace?
It seems to have problems getting back over the hammer honestly, but the hammer is the original one (I used other parts for my 922R, as I have some CNC equipment)

Tl;dr: anyone else have their hammer cause problems with the action cycling, or do I need to potentially get a looser headspace?
I'm gonna re-oil it, and see if that helps (I think I forgot to oil the gun before testing it)

>>34549638
AR or scar

>>34549641
Just FYI, I used the old tape on the headspacing surface of the bullet trick to headspace it, so that's plan B if you guys haven't had problems with the hammer holding things forward.

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>>34549623
d-did it fire from running the bolt

>>34549679

His firing pin was broken so at rest his pin stuck out enough to strike the primer. He was also unable to replicate the failure.

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>>34549641

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>BRG is on page 10 only after 28 posts
I don't know whether to laugh at or pity you.

>>34552898
We're just not childish attention whores like you, /arg/.

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>>34553197
>everyone that I don't like is /arg/
w r o n g


I just think it's sad that a frequent general thread like /brg/ nearly archives after 30 posts when random stuff like shotgun generals can hit 150 before archiving.

>>34553261
Shotguns have way more variety despite /k/ seemingly only ever talking about the 500 and the 870 though

>>34549670
Buy headspace gauges and check that before anything else.

Is a ptr a solid choice for my first semi auto 308? I want a fun "dmr" type rifle for shits. Are spare parts and mags easy to find?

>>34553618
>Is a ptr a solid choice for my first semi auto 308?
Considering that the other options are $1000 for a shitty cast FAL, $430 complete mess C308's, and so boring you'll die from looking at them budget ar10's, yes the ptr is a solid choice.

>Are spare part easy to find
Yeah, but the way with G3 shit is that it is either super super cheap since it's all surplus, or absolutely insane since lol HK parts
>are mags easy to find
how are you here and not know how available G3 mags are

google g3 mags and look at the first result

>>34548593
quit it you're gonna summon (((him)))

>>34553662
HKparts pisses me off with their prices

>>34553662
Thanks man, what kind of glass would you recommend? Something like a 1-8?

>>34553707
Budget glass your going to want to keep to a 1-6 for a lpvo.
The 1-8 are kinda shitty.

>>34553707
I can't really say, I don't own any battle rifles so haven't done too much looking into optics.

A 1-6x from someone that makes decent stuff should be fine, I would check to see if it's rated for .308, especially since roller delayed blowback is a pretty violent action. I imagine most are rated for .308, but I've never looked into it.

>>34553688
>you want a bipod huh?
>$250 since it's hk made XDDDDDDDDD

>>34553910
Ipvo?
1-6 sounds solid, are the vortex ones good for the price?

>>34553929
Low power variable optic.

Vortex strike eagle is about king of the sub $500 1-x market

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>>34548049

The biggest plus about the SA58 is you can fully customize it at the point of order. Can't do that with the Voyager.

Mine is a regular ass 21" with nickel teflon treated internals and pins and their really nice match trigger.

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>>34549641
>The thing is, it only works about half the time, and ONLY with steel cased ammo
>The brass seems to bind/expand too much.
>bought a Belgian gas tube
>I have the gas in between 1 and 2 on the regulator

Is it FTEs? If so I would look into the gas system to start with. Check how far back gas is going down the piston for blowby or whatever it is called.

Never put together a FAL myself so I'm not terribly knowledgeable on what issues headspacing could cause.
I wouldn't 100% rule it out but I doubt it is the hammer, the headspace is worth checking though for sure. Might want to invest in/borrow some real gauges.
Good luck.

>>34549320
What the fuck is with Imbel receivers, did they only get brought it during a certain period of time, or are they still being brought in once in a blue moon? When I was looking for some they were like $600.

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PTR checking in

>>34554103
Back in the day when they were $250 and parts kits were $89 they all got sold. Now its group buys

>>34554195
What is a rough range of how much they go for during group buys?

>>34548910
I noticed that Century Arms extended the rebate to August 1st for some reason so you can still get one. It's about $500 at Buds right now.

>>34553261
BRs are for patricians.
ARs are for plebs.
Only the select few can be at the top.

>>34554248
$500

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>>34554266
What if your BR is an AR?

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>>34553261

BRs have a high buy-in price and ammo isn't dirt cheap, so naturally the hordes of poorfags and noguns turds will be in /arg/ and shotgun generals.

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>>34554278
this and an expensive ar to boot.

>>34548397
>he thinks this is an upgrade over a stock model
I guess you accurized it but you completely killed the A E S T H I C goy

>>34547265
I remember hearing that the SCAR 17 is expensive because they can't sell it to civilians at a lower price than to the military, and they jew the military

>>34554425
SCAR 16s sells to department buyers for $999. Cant imagine the 17s sells for more. They are priced on what the market will bear.

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>>34548519
I already have a SCAR tho

>>34549353
I used to own one and my only real complaint was the shitty sights. Just be aware that century used to make another model that had some kind of shitty alloy receiver that look like it was cast aluminum or something. Stay far away from that.

>>34554446
[searching local department entrance requirements intensifies]

>>34554546
Thats not individual sales to leo.
Thats if a department level buyer is ordering. So youd need to run for sheriff

>>34554543
My knuckles cringe in pain at your picture

I want an m14 but fuck Springfield, how are the James River m14s forged receiver and original surplus parts seems nice

>>34547276
DSA doesn't use parts kits.

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Imbel receiver soon.

>>34554709
They used to

>>34554744
But they haven't for quite a while. I'm not sure why people are saying they are in this thread.

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>>34549641

>>34554592
If you could suggest a better scope mount, then please don't hesitate. I only threw that mount on because the scope was a recent acquisition and I don't have many 30mm mounts.

>>34554413
It looks much better than it used to, m8
You'd have a point if it was a wood stock but it isn't

>>34553917
I've got a PA 5x prism on mine, and its held up great.

>>34554762
>same designation of gun has gone through multiple unmarked generations
Gee I wonder why

Could a PTR be suppressed effectively?

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hey guys, can i play too?
:3

>>34555430
I was thinking about one of those 2.5x ones for my AR, but I am one of *those* guys that will buy a $550 gun and then say an optic is too expensive and would rather just buy another gun.

If I end up getting a PTR I'll probably just run irons for the most part, not really sure at this point. The welded on rail fucks up the aesthetics for me, plus I am one of those autist's that wants to put retarded shit like carry handles on it. Not planning on buying one any time soon, but prices seem to be coming down so I might pick on up depending what happens on black friday. I am seeing rail less ones on slick guns for $730-$750 ish right now, an the best price I saw last year on black friday was $770 ish for a railed model, so hopefully this year it will come down a bit more.

I'm left handed so kinda fucked either way with controll.

>>34555633
I saw a video a while back about some guy doing it, I wasn't really paying attention but apparently you got to do a bunch of shit to make it work right I think.

>>34555644
Ian please leave and take your hipster boat anchor with you.

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>>34555644
>ywn own one

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*Thonk*

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A2 fag checking in

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>>34555706

>>34555661
you time stamp that fucking BAR.

>>34555717
>BAR

>>34555717

Not mine obviously, just finally found a picture of it next to a 17 after searching forever for a comparison shot

>>34555706
>worst barrel profile
>worst pistol grip
6/10

>>34554993
Just flip the scope mount around is easiest.

what's the alternative for people living in cucked countries that only allows shotguns and bolt action rifles?

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>>34555787
Suicide?

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>>34555787
>what's the battle rifle alternative for people who can't have battle rifles
That's one hell of a question anon

>>34555798
Really?

>>34555830
I guess something is better than nothing, right?

>>34549578
ptr suppllies some parts but century assembles them. who cares how nice the receiver is at the beginning if a drunk monkey is doing the welding and headspacing on it.

Does anyone have a DSA para lower? How much does it weigh? I weighed my complete SA lower and it weighs three pounds...
I was hoping i could buy the aluminum para lower and cut the overall weight down

>>34547265
>go to range to try out new lee enfield in .303
>can't hit the paper at 100yds
>bore must be fucked
>fellow enfield owner approaches, we talk about enfields and he watches some shots
>yeah its pretty fucked
>at this point im dissapointed that I just got burned by getting a wallhanger
>dude lets me shoot his 7.62 real fuckin nato M1A
>fun as fuck, first time I've ever shot a BR.
>now I'm tempted to become a BRfag

someone talk me out of it.

>>34555854
How would you define something as being an alternative when you can't even have rifles that work more or less in a similar way

>>34555925
If you have the means go into the rabbit hole with us.
I've had a number of great rifles but I got rid of them all because they felt boring as shit compared to my M14

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>>34555925
>someone talk me out of it.
no do it fgt

>>34555935
An alternative as in if you had to go into battle with my restrictions, what would you pick?

>>34555960
Surplus bolt actions are technically battle rifles
:^^^^^

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Why are nice things so expensive?
>;-;

>>34556043
thanks, lad

>>34555960
You should learn what the term battle rifle actually means for starters

>>34555650
Left handed PTR owner. Get the mag latch. That's the only part that's bad on the PTR for Lefty's

>>34556298
The new ones I'd be looking to buy already have the standard paddle so that's not too big of a deal. Main issue is reaching over the top and getting the charging handle.

I can't remember if I managed to do it or not since it was a while ago, but it was a pain in the ass on the HK91 I looked at a while back. Then again you can't really get too familiar with a gun when its a $2500 one you don't own and theres a guy right by the counter.

For some reason no one in a 100 mile or more radius has any vaguely PTR shaped objects to look at, no one even has a C308 anywhere nearby.

>>34556298
Trust me it's not as bad as your probably thinking. I'd help but I'm at A school right now and they don't let you keep your guns here so their in storage right now

>>34554609
My James River M14 is solid. Seems well built and accurate.

>>34555787
Scout rifle. What kind of faggot place is this country anyway?

Two triple dubs in a row. Sheeeeiiiit.

>>34554580
He's going to have a hard time getting elected Sheriff without LE experience.
I mean sure, I'd vote for him on a platform of "every officer gets a SCAR-H" alone, but he'd also need something for the normie vote.

>>34556611
>only allows shotguns and bolt action rifles
Sounds like straya to me

>>34549638
SCAR, obviously.

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>>34556071
To encourage you to make more

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I bought this when I was in high school, and it's been sitting in my Dad's safe for like 7 years after I joined the army. I finally got around to shipping it to myself earlier this week.

It's a Century L1A1, but it headspaces correctly and shoots pretty well. Ignore the shitty sling and stock, I was like 16 when I got it and it still had the thumbhole abortion on it, I'm going to put a proper set of L1A1 furniture, a correct flash suppressor, and a S.U.I.T. on it, soon.

>>34556071
Because most consumers are plebs so the market concentrates on satisfying them.

>>34556859
What's that weird-looking chastity cage on your muzzle device?

>>34547265
Hey, so, theres a wooden fal at my local gunshop for 700$. I need information supporting why I should buy it quickly

>>34557211
$700 is a middling price for a wood gun, if it's nicely detailed.
e.g.,
tinyurl dot com slash y76jtbpu
is only $400, but it's also a much smaller gun.

>>34547325

>>34555787
I would buy a No. 4 Mk. 1

But I'm biased because I'm an anglophile.

>>34557211
look at the markings on the reciever.
If it has Imbel or springfield on it but it immediately.

DC or coonan. put it on lay away. Ma also apply for DSA made guns. Their early recievers were good

It could be century which is a cointoss

>>34555787
>>34555830
mausers
mosins
springfields
enfields

great weapons of war
used by men harder than we'll ever be

>>34557331
rifles used in battles != battle rifles

>>34557342
read the posts its in response too you fucking mongoloid

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>Always a battlerifle thread,
>never a Stoner mention

What is it I don't know about it guys that It never gets mentioned?

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>>34557361
There's no such thing as an alternative for battle rifles.

>>34557186
Dead air pyro

>>34557391
then tell them, you can blow your opinion out your ass for all i care
noone even agrees on what the definition of a BR is

>the garand is a battle rifle :)

>>34557374
The Stoner 63 is many things, but a battle rifle isn't one of them.

>>34557417
Its not

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>>34557417
>then tell them
Already did.

>noone even agrees on what the definition of a BR is
They ain't bolt action rifles or shotguns, that's for sure.

>>34557436
is too

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>>34549679
Basically any rifle with a free float firing pin can do this like an AR or SKS, that's why you're supposed to point the gun down range when letting the bolt go home into battery.

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>bought a belgian poly stock for 17 shipped last night
>just realized it probably doesn't come with a buttplate
F

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>>34557460
But they aren't

>>34557601
Its a barista you fucking fag

>>34557617
found it thanks

>>34557610
Excuse me buddy, you aren't supposed to show the skin wearers our agenda, it freaks them out

UBR or PRS for an ar-10 build?

>>34557669
UBR is sex but it's heavy as fuck
PRS looks like shit imo

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>>34557669
Depends

>>34557610
>all day : be an obnoxious shit on the Internet

>>34557701
That's a nice build man, how much did it cost all together?

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>>34547276
I don't get the hate over the cast receivers, not like you'll be wearing it out to the point of failure in your lifetime.

>>34557805
They feel cheap, same with the rest of the gun. I'd recc if it was the cost of a C308 but it costs more than a kit build on a real receiver

>>34557795
Mws was like $2200
$1250 i think for NF and mount
$200 each bipod and light
Had ubrs laying around
Think cerakote was $150
Added a dillo dust trigger since then

>>34555644
no youre not RFN. Only RFN allowed here

>>34557805
Legacy battle rifles are luxury items, not practical lifesaving tools, and should be built accordingly.

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>>34557610
>Working 9to5 like some highborn patrician

>>34557610
>08:80 am
???

>>34557889
Damn, is that par for the course for a quality build?

>>34557463
Also light primers can help make this issue worse.

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>>34557701
What color kote is that?

>>34558141
Can go cheaper.
The mws was an october panic purchase

>>34558359
Sniper grey

>>34558400
Looks good. I wasn't sure if lmt did it at the factory.

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Would buying a Calicucked PTR 91 be worthwhile for $750 with the intention of un-cucking it?...its got the bullet button bullshit.

>>34558638
That's a decent price for a PTR. How does the bullet button work on that?

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>>34547325

>>34558660
???...Dont know desu

>>34558435
LGS did

>>34558762
Nice

If I want an m1a with the emphasis on reliability/ruggedness instead of tack driver which brand should I go with? Preferably less than $1500, used is fine

>>34559022
FN

>>34559022
I'll save you the trouble and say every single possible reply to this post

>hur hur reliability/ruggedness
>m14
>hur hur AR10
>hur hur FAL
>hur hur PTR
>hur hur a pipe with a firing pin taped to it
>gurrand

>>34559185
Good job summating everything with such brevity

>>34559185
>preemptively butthurt m14fag

>>34559185
Alright, so if I want a serious answer then where should I go?

Just got a PTR91 with the metal trigger housing. Thinking of trading for a FAL. What are the good variants these days? Are DSA worth a shit?

>>34559176
I've heard the FN is a fine rifle, but the m14 aesthetic clinched it for me

>>34559274
The m14 is a delicate design compared to other options

>>34559268
>hur hur we lost vietnaam because of that MATTEL AYYY RRRR FIFTEIN

>>34549203
Get either an old LMT-contracted DSA or an IMBEL. I just bought a new DSA receiver for my StG 58 and it came with the ejector block too high and the locking shoulder hole too small, both of which are massive pains in my ass.

>>34557818
>They feel cheap, same with the rest of the gun

if you feel anything, it's probably the rest of the gun causing it

cast vs forged is not something you can "feel" just by handling the gun

>>34559321
Send it back to Illinois

>>34559323
Really cause I've held them back to back and I could damn well feel a difference

>>34559323
>cast vs forged is not something you can "feel" just by handling the gun
I haven't looked at a cast FAL, but the surface of cast shit is porous and you can tell in general the difference between a casting and forging on surface finish alone.

>>34559414
It's also lighter than a forged and milled piece

>>34559280
Keep the PTR. Skip DSA, get a build or build one yourself.

>>34559022
Save up another 500 and get a james river, Springfield a shit

Okay, so I've been autistically looking at Howa 1500's and stuff to do a long range/hunting rifle thing. After seeing how much stocks and stuff would cost, I'd be dangerously near the price where my autism kicks in and starts punching my brain saying
>YOU COULD BUY A PTR FOR ONLY LIKE $50 MORE DO IT FAGGOT DO IT DO IT.

What type of accuracy would I be looking at with good ammo in a 91 GIR and how far out could one consistantly hit steel?

And how autistic would it be to hunt since my main justification for a scoped bolt gun is for hunting even though I have never hunted before.

>>34558638
Anyone got a clue on this?

>>34559856
I was just looking today and saw this.
https://www.gunprodeals.com/products/semi-automatic-ptr-industries-ptr-91-gi-897903002312
I can't see a reason you couldn't just get this instead unless you are in Cali, then if you where, why would you bother asking how to remove a bullet button.

Last black friday I remember seeing GIR's for $770

>>34558638
you can't uncuck it
The bullet button no longer makes a rifle fixed magazine, so now you have to actually make it a fixed mag, or you have to turn the ptr pistol grip into a non-pistol grip by putting a fin on it.

Joined the battle rifle club today. Norinco M305.

"Camo" stock looks like its supposed to blend in with linoleum kitchen tiles, but I plan to switch that out anyways.

>>34557610
What is wrong singing along to ozzy on the radio?

>>34559680
1 moa with good ammo

>>34560536
Did you get it used?
I've never seen new M305s with camo stocks.

>>34559680
I can think of way worse reasons to get into hunting.

>>34562861
New, have yet to clean off the cosmoline and styrofoam.

>>34547265
Im getting a ptr91. I dont see the point in paying 3k for a scar when the ptr is just as good.

>>34554137
> claw mount
Unf unf unf HNNNNNNNGH

>>34554137
What optic is that?

>>34559912
Ty Friendo. Has anyone ever bought from these guys before?

is it normal for my 1:10 twist barrel to shoot 175g ammo on top of each other but 145g ammo in 6 MOA groups?

>>34563589
Pics?
I'm genuinely curious

>>34565061
1:10 really prefers the heavier stuff

1:12 is opotimized for M80 and 1:11 is more of a center of the road option for a do all twist, kind of like 1:8 for AR's.

>>34565201

so why does it seem like most of the AR-10 barrels out there are 1:10? even the budget ones. you'd think something optimized for the cheaper ammo would be popular...

>>34565329
Because most AR10s get scoped and people bitch and moan when it doesnt get 1moa groups with Federal Gold Medal Match.

The people who shoot cheap low grain dont usually notice.

>>34565720
Also has to do with platform tradition

AR-10's (L(ong)R(ange)-308's) got revitalized by DPMS in the early 2000's and they started with 1:10

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Question for the FAL goys.
My buddy got an imbel (I think) built FAL in a trade that looks like it's seen some harsh years. And it didn't want to cycle properly or hold the bolt open. I tried adjusting the gas knob, but it had the same issues even being set to both extremes. The bolt and carrier seem to move fine without any hitches. Does the gas tube need cleaning or something?

Pic of muh Poorfag Trainer Rifle for attention.

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>>34566077
Meant to add, the cycling issue seemed like short stroking, the bolt was moving, but not far back enough to eject.

>>34566077
Does it short stroke every time or does it not go at all? When you push the BHO up will it catch?

>>34566097
Oh shid. What ammo gr then? My FAL is pretty nicely gassed so it'll cycle everything, but consider running some higher gr to see if you can get it to go. Also if you have an adjustable gas llug make sure it's not set to grenade launcher

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>>34566108
Every round, hold wouldn't catch unless the bolt was brought back all the way manually obviously.

>>34566133
Well then your BHO works fine, it's just gas. Pls answer >>34566123 and I can help further

>>34566123
Only had some M80 that day. That's 167gr(?)

>>34566148
147. Try some 180s maybe. Also show pic of gas plug

>>34557701
>1 week of cigars
>1 day of booze

I can't be the only one bothered by this.

>>34566167
It's a bud's rifle, so I don't have a pic on hand, but I went from starting at the 4 setting, then went up to 7, not realizing that was less gas like a moron, then dropped it to 3.5, 3, and a notch below that. All short strokes. Buddy got nervous about over gassing at that point, so we decided to pack it up for the day.

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>>34566275
Next time you shoot, set it all the way to 1 then work up, tell him not to be a pussy. If it doesn't work on 1 then check the gas plug and compare it to ones with a grenade setting. If that isn't the problem then your gas block or barrel might be too small

Would an Imbel FAL be worthwhile for $900?

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>>34566308
Danks for the tips. I'm only familiar with ARs and roller locks. I honestly might see if I can get him to trade me the thing so I can get it fixed up for myself.

>>34558638
If your out of state its as simple as removing a spacer and adding a mag release button I did it on my V93 that I run featureless now

>>34566363
Yeah, that's a pretty good price.

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>>34559414
>I haven't looked at a cast FAL, but the surface of cast shit is porous

and receivers of either cast or forged style are machined from a block of steel, so again it's not something you'll just feel on a finished gun, especially if it has bluing or some other surface protection

>>34559443
>It's also lighter than a forged and milled piece

they're both fucking milled

>>34555644

sure

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>>34566643
Have you handled both
>mfw every time a new anon tries to defend the voyager

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>>34566643
>and receivers of either cast or forged style are machined from a block of steel, so again it's not something you'll just feel on a finished gun, especially if it has bluing or some other surface protection

No matter how much you mill, the physical grain structure on cast parts is larger vs forged, its more porous and lighter than forged or milled parts because of it.

>they're both fucking milled
G r a i n s t r u c t u r e

There are some members on the M14 forum who regularly shoot CMP competition with cast Springfield armory M1A receivers on their fourth and fifth barrel.

IMHO a type 1 receiver is probably a bad idea in a casting since there were known cracking issues with forged type 1's.

>>34567271
Modern castings are stronger than 70s forgings.

>>34567327
Springfield Armory has been casting M1A receivers since the early 70's.

>>34566776
>tfw liked the forged DSA I looked at
>$1700
looks like no fal for me ever

>>34567271
>>34567327
>>34567346
Still, for a luxury item like that, forged just feels nicer.

Newfag questions:

>Is an MR308 a true AR10, as in can share just as many components with other AR10s and AR15s as say an SR25?
>How does an MR308 compare to a SR25 in terms of accuracy, effective range, durability, and reliability?
>How does an AR10 such as the SR25 or M308 compare to an AR15 in terms of durability and reliability?
>I heard that 60% of parts are cross-compatible between AR10 and AR15. Let's say I'm concerned about SHTF, and specifically concerned about parts that are most likely to wear out or break. Which parts should I be concerned about, and are they cross-compatible between AR10 and AR15?

Thanks

>inb4 ARs are shit, PTRs/HK91s/SCARs/FALs are better
I agree, I want to know the answers anyway.

>>34567399
Buy a kit build Imbel on an Imbel or old DSA, Coonan, or Century R1A1, should be able to get for as low as 800 if you're lucky, 1000-1100 likely, or 1300 at the high end if you're in a rush

>>34567443
The HKs ship with bare steel barrels. Getting spares of those could be spendy, bcgs even harder. Other wear parts would be easy to get.

Though if your worried about it, LMT is the way to go. KAC even makes their lowers if that makes you feel better

>>34567327

Authentic Forged G.I. M14 receivers would last between 350,000 and 400,000 rounds if fed the proper ammo. H.P. White Laboratory also estimated the receiver wear in that range.

The M14 was engineered to last unlike the tilting block forged fal that lasted around 80k (another H.P. White test)

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Does a gun with the following characteristics exist?
>at least as accurate and long-range as an SR-25
>at least as durable and reliable as a PTR-91
>semi-auto

>inb4 SCAR
SCAR is a great gun, but I want something with more range/accuracy and more durability/reliability.

I don't give a fuck about weight. I assume that such a gun doesn't exist in .308 or lower, but perhaps in 7mm or 300 win mag or .338 Lapua?

Pic possibly related?

>>34567461
Being in a rush and building on a Coonan are mutually exclusive, they bumped up the expected wait time on their website to up to 180 days. I ordered mine when it was only supposed to be 90 days, ended up being 120-140 before my FFL got it in.

Not sure if I'd buy from them again given the grief over L1A1 receivers I've been reading about.

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>>34567399
Like >>34567461 said, go for a build. My total cost for my Imbel build will be about $1100 and I'll end up with something nicer than a DSA.

>>34567480
Thanks. In what ways is a LMT superior to an SR25?

>bought an imbel 10 months ago
>still haven't done anything with it
>it was $300 or $400 on its own, can't remember

>>34567518
>old coonan
New Coonan is garbage

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>>34567512
The SCAR is already sub-MOA at 1000 yards straight out of the box and tough enough for USSOCOM maniacs who think that any gun can be an LMG if you try hard enough.
What more could you possibly want?

>>34567553
oh wait it was $475
i'm going to need a good kit to go with it

>>34567556
Here's where I say something about confusing commas.

I got mine in 2015 and have sat on it for way too long, but it seemed to fit okay mating it up to the lower trigger housing and wiggling the bolt around in it. I just saw stuff start cropping up about their quality last summer so I'm not sure if I got in while they still cared about QA.

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>>34567579
That's still a good price on the receiver. I think gunplumber still has some of his Imbel kits up on gunbroker.

>>34567597
I was gonna do old dsa/coonan/r1a1 but I thought that'd be even more confusing

It's not like every Coonan is out of spec but the chance is too damn high

>>34567512
Get a scar with a 20" barrel.

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>so wrong
>but it feeeeels soooo gooooooood

>>34567537
Quick change barrel and its half the price of an SR25. Getting spare SR25 headspaced barrels would hard

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>>34567640
They dont feel that great

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>>34567640
I promise never to do anything so gross with my FAL as you have with yours.

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>>34567656
This is the first time I've owned a sling that isn't shit, but yea the leather could be better, only bought this for making my Ukiemutt as authentic as possible. This will get a Vickers padded when it becomes 17.2

>>34567664
you're missin out my dude. Was gonna say you should snag that Belgian para housing on FALFiles when the dude parts it out but someone snagged the package right before he split it

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>>34567681
kek I was lucky to have enough money for the receiver. Any money get get in the near future is going to 7.62RFN blanks and FAL mags.

>>34567693
Para housing can be got for 100-150. 75 is you grab a DSA blem from Brad. It's the everything else that makes para expensive really. An empty bcg, rear sight, and a stock+knuckle+bolt can run you anywhere between 3 and 500

>>34567714
I'm probably going to keep this one pretty basic. When I start working at the beginning of next year is when I'll start looking at different builds.

>>34567642
Is it as good as the SR25 regarding accuracy, effective range, reliability, and durability?
>>34567627
Will that have as good of accuracy/range as an AR10?
>>34567560
I've always heard that AR10s are more accurate than SCARs, do you disagree?

>>34567726
Nice. I'm talkin to the guy I work for tomorrow about more hours so hopefully I'll get some more gun money soon too. What do you think you're gonna do next with em?

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>>34567737
I want to do a 50.62 build next.

>>34567729
With comparible barrels, yes. Both of them come in match and chrome lined variants and in different lengths

>>34567729
It depends on the AR-10; I assume that there are some .308 ARs that are more accurate than a SCAR.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if a GAP or KAC gun was capable of exceptional accuracy.

>>34567526
>FAL with Asuka keychain
Stahp I can't be encouraged down this path since I probably can't afford to get a ptr and shoot steel .308, nevermind build a fal and have to buy brass and get $40 surp mags

>>34567773
50 series are fuckin sex. I need a 50.64 desu

>>34567820
>Asuka

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>>34567820
>Asuka

>>34567833
>>34567842
wot, it has red hair and blue eyes and is in a school uniform, what else could it be.

>>34567729
SCARs will be moa, and just as long a range as an AR10. They will also be more reliable.

With aftermarket SCAR barrels not being chrome lined you can get better accuracy

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>>34567820
>asuka

>>34555730
But that is a BAR

>>34567860
What the fuck is it then.

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>>34567864
It's an HCAR

>>34567887
Issa faru

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>>34567851
>>34567887

>>34564832
Vortex Diamondback 3-9x40. Decent scope for the price. Trigger pack is off to get worked over.

>>34567902
>>34567899
I guess that's what I get for not watching upotte.

PTR GI or GIR, I might mount an optic eventually, but the welded rail looks like cancer and claw mounts look nice

>>34567963
There are other options than the claw mount too. I'd go with the regular GI.

>>34567982
What would those be? I only ever saw surplus HK ones with the odd scope rail and new 1913 versions of the claw.

>>34567996
https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-91-G3-Scope-Mounts-Rails-Optics-c118.htm

http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/Sights-c27.htm?pageStyle=h&ProdSort=19&page=2&idCategory=27

Will POF wide handguards come in any time soon or are they just no longer available?

/brg/ decide what pistol I should get since I am too lazy to actually go out and shoot any or make a thread or as an actual serious internet site.

I was thinking a CZ P-01 but at $600ish right now it's a bit much, would rather stay near $500 ish (or I should just get a fucking job and stop being a whiny cunt)

Glock 19 was a bit blocky for me, liked the PPQ and VP9 grips, like the CZ compacts more though. Like hammers more, but needs to be a decocker only or a striker fired with no safety since I am disabled.
AKA left handed with short fingers

>>34568782
S&W 686P 4"

>>34568843
why am I not suprised people in /brg/ would be recommending revolvers

(probably because their obsession with outdated equipment :^ )

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>>34568894
FNS9 can be got for under 500, good gun

>>34568894
muh stoppin powah

>>34554446
You also have to consider that the SCARs made for the military are made in the US. The civilian version is made in Belgium, shipped to the US in a fucked up single shot form, where it then has to be fixed.

>>34568894
Because we like guns that are actually fun to shoot instead of LARPing as operators.

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>>34569021
Why not both?

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>>34569009
pic related

>>34569070
I wonder what FN would sell those for on the commercial market.
>Ultra lightweight minimalist tactical SCAR stock, $250

>>34569087
They send them back to belgium

>>34569103
That answer is no fun.

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>>34547265

Hey /k/

Just got my first .308 rifle. It's a super vepr. Was wondering what's the best sights for it. Was thinking about getting 4x scope. Really want to get a pso-1

Thoughts?

>>34569122
Its true though. Reduce, reuse, recycle baby!

>>34569142
How far are you going to be shooting it
What are you going to be shooting
And whats the budget?

>>34556071
because luxury items cost more to get to you, and be made.

>>34569142
Do Super Veprs even have side rails?
If you knew you wanted to scope it before you bought it, you probably should have gone with something easier to mount an optic on, such as literally anything else.

>>34556859
nice waste of money you beta male twat.

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>>34569169

I think max I'll be shooting is 200 yards

Just tragets for now. I'm planning on visiting my cousin in Alabama next year and do some hog hunting.

Just looking to get 1 general purpose sight/scope. Figured 4x fits the bill. Not too much magnification. My budget is $500

Any recommendations?

>>34547265
I got an M1a in walnut and it comes with a steel buttplate which is uncomfy as fuck

I wanted to find a real Springfield Armory rubber buttpad they put on their polymer versions but I'm having a hard time finding it. There are a few third party makes but from the reviews its actually a hard piece of rubber and not a soft one so I'm not keen on it.

Also what kind of rail should I get for my M1a? just any regular picatinny rail or something else?

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>>34569263

Yes it has side rails. Im going to get a side mount sometime next month

Are side rails a pain in the ass to mount?

>>34569345
Also with a rail I wanted to get a good optic for it. Something good for 100-200-300 yards maybe. I was thinking about an aimpoint but FUCK these are expensive as fuck 500 dollars for something like this. Is there anything in the 200 to 300 dollar range that will give me what I'm looking for?

>>34569283
Aimpoint t1

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>>34569265
Post yours

>>34569388

>Aimpoint t1

I don't know if you're fucking with me or being serious

>>34569369
No, they're really easy, and retain zero better than M1913 scope mounts that cost twice as much.

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>get a PTR they said

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>>34569542
Here's your obligatory (you).

>>34569484
It'll cowitness with your irons with the right mount, and you really don't need magnification for 0-300 yards, unless you're shooting at living things and need to ID your target.

>34569542
>not even a ptr

>>34569369
all you have to do is make sure the tension is good and slide the side mount on and lock it down

>>34569484
Its about as unobtrusive as your going to find. For hog hunting its about perfect, well depends where your hunting hogs.

>>34549449
Why would you take the glorious iconic stock off? For me it's part of the attraction.

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>>34570040
Was playing dressup.
I love the boot

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>>34570061
KDG boot when

>>34570070
Might get one for my 16 when the fbi lets me bring it home. 17s doesnt do well with metal stock hinge.

>>34570061
God damn that shit looks good

>>34570083
You bought a 16 you absolute madman?

>>34570124
Yeah, had some good quarters at work. Meant to file sbr paperwork this weekend, but fbi cockblocked me.

>>34570151
nigga u wilin

I can't wait till I can get back to putting money into guns

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Anybody know if this is worth a shit?

>>34567023
>this man has superpowered fingers that can tell the difference in steel grain structure by feel alone

if you're not a metalworker you should sign up bro

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Why you would buy an ACE galil of all things is beyond me.

>>34570280
Nigger, go feel a cast and a forged part and see if you don't notice the difference in surface finish.

>>34570395
>>34570237
>Why you would buy an ACE galil of all things is beyond me.
thats 4u buddy

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>>34570395
I suppose I should clarify, casting can have very nice surface finish, I heard that the investment casting process has been used in S&W and Ruger revolvers for at least 20-30 years if I recall, but it is expensive to do that high quality of casting.

DSA is building the voyagers to a price point, so they are going to have rough surface finish due to their casting process. They aren't going to machine and finish it to perfection because it is firstly, expensive (which if you are casting, you are trying to make shit cheap so doing quality finishing is counterproductive) and second, they need to be able to justify their $1700 rifles with the superior forged parts and finishing.

>>34570040

Now it's just an AR-10 with a weird upper.

>>34570587

So long as it doesn't present engineering problems to the material, I actually kinda like that textured look.

>>34570061
Nice optic, what is it?

For those of you with scar's and ar-10 variants, have any of you tried suppressing them? Generally speaking, how does 308 perform suppressed?