Many .308 related questions

Ummm. I get. 308 for around 50 -60 cents a round. I mainly get 150ish grain FMJ. The hunting rounds can get expensive. I use an M1A scout.

>>34546113
Just buy tulammo its like 10 bucks for 20

>>34546113
u can get steel case .308 for like 30 cents per round online

yeah lol idk where tf you're buying your boolets but I can get 100 for 80 at dicks sporting goods.

>>34546146
Also this

https://www.classicfirearms.com/century-c308-rolling-block-action-semi-auto-rifle-ri2253x

>>34546113
please go home, this conversation is for adults.

if you are serious, and i doubt that, you need to start with a .22LR and work up. it's just common sense

>>34546146
>>34546161
>>34546162

Steel cases are .50 cents in my country though hard to get. But why do people perfer brass? Does it make sense to reload steel cases if the bullet itself is 20 cents? Would reloading keep my cost at 30 cents?

M1A scout is like 1400$ in my country so... i am looking more into bolt action stuff or even single shot so i can get it for 500$ in Europe

>>34546197
how much is tikka t3 in your country

>>34546196
I wish i could but firearms are heavily taxed where i live so i wont be buying any new firearm for a year after i get my first one.

And .22 is only twice as powerful as my air rifle. If i can shoot my Air rifle accurately at 100yards why would i get a round that only goes 100 yards further?

>>34546113
be OP
never fired a rifle before
....but /k/ said......
bolt action .308
first round fired hurts my shoulder
guns are bad
join bernie snaders 2020 campain
??????
profit

Yet another .308 thread that reeks of Orthodox Judaism and poorfaggery.

>>34546215
>And .22 is only twice as powerful as my air rifle

>^^^ above statement sure to be made by a person that has never been shot with a .22LR. 36 grains of lead at about 1200 fps.^^^

that one sentence should disqualify you from ever owning a firearm

>>34546209
1259 euros or 1443. USD

>>34546252
Ruger 10/22 is 500$ in my country. Its easy for you to talk about getting a cheap .22 when you can afford several firearms.

The average wage in my country is bloody 1000$ for christ sake.

I wish to shoot up to 600yards and i can only afford one firearm.

>>34546229
>poorfaggery.

Money is very relative. You can own the same house in another country for 1/3 rd of the price.
Wealth can be better grasped by the material goods that you own.

In Japan you would be a nobody with 100.000$ on your bank account and in Thailand you would be rich.

>>34546347
wait holdup i can move to thailand with 100 bucks and ill be rich?

>>34546197
>Does it make sense to reload steel cases

i'm going to pinch myself so i stop laughing long enough to reply to this. you are a troll, right?

look inside the case after you fire that. steel cases are not to be reloaded anyway. but just look inside the next one you fire. how many holes do you see? even given the fact that you might try to reload a steel case that, unlike brass, has no give, if you see two holes, how the hell do you intend to orient this in your press? that's called a berden primer and good luck.

there are so many things you don't know about what you are about to impart on, you are trying to start at level 50 basically. not smart.

>>34546320
i never said it was cheap. i said that you shouldn't start with a hard firing centerfire bolt action. if you have no other choice, then fine. do what you have to do.

>>34546370
There is nohing stopping people from reloading steel case, nothing from stopping relaoding of bersdan primed cases either.

Honestly OP if you want a 308 as your first raifu go for it. It doesn't recoil that bad once you get used to it. See if you can get an israeli mauser in your country.

>>34546370
Look i really need some help and i am very sorry if this is a shitty thread because i know very little about firearms.

So far i was mostly focused on ballistics, ammo and gun prices. I had a hunch that steel cannot be reloaded because you guys always talk about brass.

Whenever i try to get into firearms i get depressed. I keep changing my mind and i have no idea what i wish to own.

>>34546320
>The average wage in my country is bloody 1000$

how often? i'm not trying to give you a hard time, but if you are going to do this, you need to know what you are getting into. i can give you advice, but i seriously don't know your situation

>>34546389
ok, both points are true. do you really think this guy is going to reload berdan steel cases? stay on topic and on point. you're another one that wants to argue more than he wants to help

>>34546412
Stay jelly europoor

https://www.classicfirearms.com/century-c308-rolling-block-action-semi-auto-rifle-ri2253x

>>34546381
How do you feel about .22magnum? Its a longer nearly twice as fast .22 but the price goes from 11 cents a round to 25 cents.

I could get a nice CZ-455 bolt action

>>34546412
ok, guys lets give this man some real useful advice.

one thing i would say. a bolt gun is going to kick worse than a semi auto

.308 is a good round to have if you have only one. NATO shit is going to be the stuff you can find if you can't find anything else, around here anyway. i still don't know where OP is

>>34546412
>I keep changing my mind and i have no idea what i wish to own
Well then just fucking buy something and sort it out later. Accept the fact that nothing in life will be perfect including firearms and just deal.

>>34546464
i LOVE .22 mag, but the price is ridiculous around here. i can damn near buy centerfire, like .38 for what they want for .22mag. i've got a marlin rifle in .22mag. it's the most accurate rifle i own, no shit.

>>34546252
that one sentence should disqualify you from ever owning a firearm

why he is right 22 is about 90 foot-pounds and a 25 cal airgun at 800 fps is 45 foot-pounds both will teach marksmanship fundimentals

>>34546414
Exactly twice a month
>>34546463
I have no idea why your link wont load but i did cringe at Europoor because its true in my case

>>34546508
another guy that's never been shot

let me put it this way

if i choose to shoot you with a .22LR or an airgun, but you got to pick the gun.

which would you choose?

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>>34546533
For 500 dollars american

>>34546508
>22 is about 90 foot-pounds and a 25 cal airgun at 800 fps is 45 foot-pounds

Another that thinks everything is about the charts. When you are bleeding out on pavement, those numbers don't mean a whole hell of a lot.

>>34546370
>ny things you don't know about what you are about to impart on, you are trying to start at level 50 basica


You can reload steel case berdan primers it just a pain in the ass steel is much harder to resize and dose not last nearly as many shots as brass and you have to modify the primer pocket to accept boxer primers

>>34546548
>out of stock

>>34546572
and i'll say it again. do you think this guy is going to be doing that? that's my point, i'm trying to talk to what he may be capable of. stay on point guys

>>34546566
deer being taken with a 45 foot-pound airgun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4WkRTqtWIc

>>34546481
Why is .22 mag so much more expensive anyways? Same 40 grain bullet just longer casing and a bit more gunpowder and the price is 2.5x the price of .22lr?

>>34546590
>his guy is going to be doing that? that's my point, i'm trying to talk to what he may be capable of. stay on point guys

Its really not worth reloading steel buy brass and reload that. point is you can reload steel in a shtf / jam

>>34546592
>deer being taken with a 45 foot-pound airgun

anyone that would do a kill with an airgun is a fucking asshole. you do a clean kill or you are just a fucking sadist. how many did he almost kill and made them suffer before he got that vid? that's part of being a real hunter, you don't purposely make an animal suffer.

>>34546614
it's market forces mainly, and the fact that they are still trying to ride the obama high ammo prices wave. most people don't own a .22 mag, so it's kind of an esoteric round. back in the 60s and 70s not so much, but i'd guess there aren't a whole lot of people that are still .22mag fans. especially because of the price, it's a looping thing if that makes any sense. high price = less sales = more rare = higher price

go try to find some .22 jet, tell me what you see

>>34546623
those guns will shoot dimes at 50 yards all day long with little effort its all about shot placement for a ethical kill with air gun obviously you would not be taking a heart / lung shot with a 45 F/P air gun but i see so problem a head shot we all know the old saying more deer have been taken with a 22 than any other caliber

>>34546592
>>34546623

The guy is retarded. I own a fairly powerful .22 air rifle and i would not even shoot rabbits with it.

>>34546659
ok, i hear what you are saying, but again. how many people that own airguns have one of them that will do dimes at 50 yards? that's competition shit. i can about guarantee that nobody in this thread, or on 4chan in general, has an airgun that will do dimes.

given that, my .22 mag marlin that i spoke of earlier actually will do a quarter at 50 yards. it's a motherfucker.

what about a 223/556 bolt gun? low recoil reach out 600-800 yards cheap ammo you can run 77 grains if you want to hunt

this is supposed to be really accurate
http://www.cabelas.com/product/MOSSBERG-MVP-PATROL-TACTICAL-RIFLES/1679160.uts

>>34546566
>When you are bleeding out on pavement, those numbers don't mean a whole hell of a lot
True, but that doesn't mean the numbers aren't actually correct.

>>34546659
Holy shit you are retarded. A tiny projectile has a chance of not delivering the kill shot even if the shot placement is perfect.

Shoot a deer with a .17 cal air pellet and even if it comes at 1000fps and enters its skull it wont kill it

>>34546677
you are retarded... guys take rabbits with sub 12 foot-pound air guns all the time in the uk . This whole channel is sub 12 foot-pound ethical hunting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ksSjtsIQfY

>>34546659
>those guns will shoot dimes at 50 yards all day long with little effort

The dimes do not move. Shooting at a live target is different than shooting at some object.

I myself have fucked up while shooting a bird even though i can hit smaller targets at that distance.

>>34546113
If you buy a semi auto Battle Rifle then buy cheap steel case ammo. This is not a marksmanship weapons it's for shooting a lot and pulling the fun switch for maximum shiggles.

If you buy a bolt action or more precision rifle then buy brass cased commercial ammo and reload for marksmanship grade. It will cost you a little less than commercial but you will get better rounds.

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>>34546113
Since its .308 relatable im gonna copypasta my question from my thread here it goes:
Today i came across a deal on a Jap Browning BLR lighweight in .308 win with the straight stock.
I fingered it for a bit and i didnt find any marks of wear, the checkering was nice and deep and there was no scrapes on metal or wood. The crown and bore looked prestine and the bluing looked nice. The cycling was also smooth.
So its basicly like new condition.
But the problem is that the dude asked 1600€ for it. Granted it has a decent 1,5x6x48 already mounted on it and he even said he will put in a few boxes of ammo for it. And i belive i can lower the price for a hundred euros or two.

The scope mounted on it is this one:
https://www.optics-trade.eu/en/yukon-jaeger-1-5-6x42.html

New are selling for 1200€ (same price as marlin 1895 GBL)

The point is if you needed to quietly feed your family you could do it with a 25 cal airgun that has a built in suppressor known as a shroud in the air gun world you don't need a 300 win mag to ethically take a deer is it my first choice ? No is it the best choice ? no but it can be done at it has been done. you guys really
underestimate the power it takes to kill

>>34546113
you should only start to learn how to shoot with your new rifle, I think about reloading later.

Reloading is interesting with wildcats caliber and some expensive shits like 338LM or 50.

Try finding PRVI partizan or Sellier & Bellot. Those are cheap but quality is ok, its not too expensive for us european because its made in estern europe.

some gunshop can sell you PRVI in big quantities like 100 FMJ round for 0,8€ per round or 100HP round for 1€ per round.

>>34546197
You can get reloadable military brass cased ammo for about 50 cents per round. It's not going to be quite as accurate as the really fancy match grade stuff, but it's a half to a third the price, and even in a cold war battle rifle it's still going to reliably hit man sized targets out to 300-500m.

Some weapons have reliability issues when dealing with steel cased ammo, usually failing to cycle the next round. Some rifles like the G3/PTR don't give a shit and will happily run steel cased all year long.

>>34546592
-and my aunt next door has shot the same fucking groundhog with 22LR on three separate occasions. I'm not debating that a head or CNS hit could have put it down, but it just makes more sense to use something with more energy like .223 for the guaranteed kill.

>>34546745
only if it's an AK. an AR based rifle is not designed for steel case ammo, it's touchy as hell with that

>>34546769
>The point is if you needed to quietly feed your family

quietly? so now this is a zombie apocalypse thread? stay on fucking topic guys

>>34546799
>my aunt next door has shot the same fucking groundhog with 22LR on three separate occasions

1. shot placement
2. really fucking cool aunt

>>34546689
Savage Axis II is a much better intro boltgun, imo. Get it in .223 and it's a fantastic, cheap introduction to ranged shooting. (Unless the quality has tanked on them in the past year or so)

>>34546252
Airguns totally teach marksmanship fundamentals,
> mAh red Ryder
> Ull shoot ur eye out

my point is a jump from a high power air gun to a 308 is not much bigger than from a 22 to a 308 these are not daisy red riders were talking about and marksmanship fundamentals can be learned and a pcp air gun

>>34546113
For what purpose are you buying ?
Hunting, target shooting ?

308 doesn't eats up the barrel at all, its one of the best for this.
It can go up to 4000shots and beyond if you run a gentle cleaning regime without any aggressive solvent.

>>34546837
I second this, savage axis, even the first models are really good.

>>34546864
I know the savage is really good i assume its just as good in 308 ?

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Guys i am back. So this single shot .308 Bailkai 18 is only 300$!

Would it be a steal? A good first firearm that would perform okay? Bonus points for being a Slavshit rifle in the hands of a Slav

>>34546196
Are you serious ?
Are you some pussy faggot that fear to learn how to shoot real gun ?
I learnt on a goddamn 270 and I'm not dead

>>34546879
Yes I'm shooting a 308 heavy barrel, 0.8 MOA out of the box with cheap ammo.
sligtly better with trigger job.
next step is glass bedding.

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>>34546852
Target shooting at outdoor range that is 600yards long. Single shot slav rifles are 300$ in my country but bolt action savage rifles are 1000$+

>>34546113
You can go through well over 5000 rounds of .308 before you notice any decrease in accuracy
If you're buying cheapo surplus 7.62 at $0.50 per round that's $2500 before accuracy starts to go down, (5000 is a very conservative estimate).

And when the time comes you can just buy a new barrel for $300-600

>>34546914
can you buy a surplus k31 in your country? what about some of CZ's rifles?

>>34546890

It comes with the scope?

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>>34546837
>Unless the quality has tanked on them in the past year or so

i can't imagine savage ever tanking on quality. they are a fucking monster. my .308 Savage s/s

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>>34546879
For a beginner learning fundamentals, unless your heart is set on .308, .223 is going to be better for learning.

The biggest difference is that the cost per round is going to be about half, so you can get twice the amount of practice for the same cost out of .223. When you're learning something, there's no substitute for actually going out and practicing.

Additionally, trajectory is much flatter, so there's less compensating for drop. You can zero for 100m and your same point of aim is basically "good enough" out to 300m whereas .308 zeroed at 100m is going to require compensating down at 200m and up at 300m.

In pic related, the middle dot is 100m, top of the horseshoe is 200, top of the post is 300m, and then the numbers for hundreds of meters after that. With .223, most practical shooters I've encountered (Military/LEO) don't even realize that this distinction even exists because the trajectory is basically flat until 300m and past that you're pretty much outside your effective engagement range.

Also, beginning shooters also have a tendency to develop a flinch at the recoil until they get comfortable with it or train it out, and the chance of this is going to be much worse with .308 as there's something like triple the energy in each round meaning much more intense felt recoil.

>>34546947
CZ rifles are nice but they are 900$ in larger calibers and 500$ in .22

I have only seen surplus nagnats for 700$ and yugo sks for 600$

>>34546911
cool man i'm jelly. do you hand load for it?

>>34546841
>marksmanship fundamentals

my dad taught me that with a .22LR. we had airguns, but why? airguns are just to fuck around with, shoot at the transformer, that type of shit

>>34546954
No without it.

>>34546851
this guy can only afford one rifle. you think he can afford a compition quality bb gun? stay on fucking point, help this guy

>>34546978
damn we are lucky guns are so cheap here.

>>34546991

Is the brand known for being shit or exploding? If it's safe, why not. You are just target shooting, a single shot is fine.

>>34546986
>d a compition quality bb gun? stay on fucking point, help this guy


not a toy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT8JYjWitz0&t=357s

>>34546113
>Cheapest .308 is $1/round

I shop at bass pro shop - the post.

>>34546892
proper training starts with firearms that don't kick the shit out of you and it start at a young age. i started shooting when i was three years old. a .270 would have been a bit much for me at that point. if you started shooting at a much later age, who here is the pussy?

not trying to start a fight, but damn, there is a proper way to do things.

>>34547003
Also i am spending like 600$ on a license.
>>34547005
People just say that the trigger is shit and that you need to put some work in the rifle to make it good

>>34547003
>we are lucky guns are so cheap here

it may be a lot to do with the USA being the fucking arsenal of democracy. but don't quote me on that.

>>34547026
www.cheaperthandirt.com

>>34547028
I do worry about the .308 recoil but i really like how powerful the round is.
It's like a poor mans sniper rifle

>>34547066
so what would you consider a rich man's sniper rifle?

remember, a sniper is not the same as a sharpshooter or a marksman. who would be the spotter on the poor man's sniper team? just wondering. if it was up to me, i'd have my GSD spotting. she's got really killer eyes, they are red

>>34547026
>I shop at bass pro shop
Seriously, how can so many people not know about the internet? i have a friend in massa2shits that can't mail order ammo, but most of us can and i just don't see how so many peeple don't get this. fuck walmart, interweb!!

seriously, i've got about 30,000 rounds in my gun room. and it wasn't at $1/round

>>34547097
.50 cal?

.

>>34547066
get a semi auto, the recoil is somewhat tamed by the action. and it's not going to effect your accuracy if you are a beginner

>>34547097
.50 cal? I do not think the military uses .308 much

>>34546113

What? winchester white box 7.62 is like $0.70 and federal is like $.90

where are you, california?

>>34547121
ever shot a .50BMG? a .22 can kill if properly placed. why would i want to use a .50? that's like a 600 gr. bullet. that's fucking insane

>>34547134
>I do not think the military uses .308 much
hahahahahahahahahahahahahah

ok, wait, i gotta catch my breath

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

ever heard of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization? 7.62 x 51

>>34546113
do you already have reloading equipment or have a family/friends that will let you use their stuff? It can be a few hundred bucks to start out. in addition to bullet components (brass/powder/primers/bullets) you will need
a press
dies
tumbler
scale
case trimmer
calipers
and small stuff like case chamfer bit/case holder/ammo boxes

I can reload
Sierra Matchkings 175gr .33/each
Lapua Brass .67/each
CCI Primer .03/each
~42gr powder .14/each
total $1.17/round. granted you can use brass multiple times and i've read people using Lapua brass 20-30 times as long as it's within normal pressures and they anneal every 5 or so reloads. If i could get the low range (20 reloads) it would cost me ~.50/round. I'm just starting on reloading so I don't know how many reloads i will get but even if its half that the price/round is considerably lower than match grade ammo you buy at a store.

>>34547140
>where are you, california?
i think it's much worse than that. maybe england bad. or an aussie. not sure, but he's quoting euros. poor guy, hell i'd buy him a rifle but i would never be able to get it to him.

>>34547066
.308 = hotter load of 7.62x51
It's been the "default" round for US snipers for about fourty to fifty years. Salt Lake M118 special from vietnam until the mid-80s which you can buy milsurp for about $1 round, then Federal Match King Gold bthp which is literally what LEO and military snipers use for about $1 - $1.25 round. Will go through light to intermediate cover without even blinking.

>>34546113

Gunbot. Cheapest ammo I'm gonna find...
http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/rifle/308/

>>34547140
Slavic country. The land of autism and great depression
>>34547206

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>>34547196
you forgot one thing. the bible

>>34546683
hi i just put ten rounds into a 1/8" group from 13 feet with a basic-bitch Daisy 880S and i've been shooting it off and on for about 3 weeks now. That translates to 2.75 MOA or about a 1.37" group at fifty yards. The US dime is 0.705" diameter, so admittedly it can't stack them into a dime at 50. However, like I said, mine's a basic bitch airgun I got at Walmart. It stands to reason that a better airgun could easily stack 10 in a dime at 50, and that such a gun is owned by many of the cucked Yuropoors that browse this board .

ok, back to this guy that originally asked, you know, OP?

what exactly do you want to use this rifle for? that is a major point, different firearms have different uses.

>>34546979
not for now, manufacturing amo are ok in the rifle and are relatively cheap.
I may consider reloading later if I buy a 7mm or 338LM

>>34547281
>That translates to 2.75 MOA or about a 1.37" group at fifty yards.

no, it doesn't. i shouldn't have to say anything else about this. that's like saying muzzle velocity holds even at 50 yards. i've retyped this 5 times but i just can't come up with a nice way to say it. you are a frigging idiot.

>>34547285
To shoot targets at 600yards.

The cheapest brass ammo is hunting hollow point that is 170 grains. Bad idea for target shooting?

>>34547281
>13 feet
I'm fucking dying here. My sides are on Uranus

>>34546914
Haha this is my first rifle ! mine was a 270 synthetic.
This rifle is fucking awesome !

You can easely freefloat the barrel and the trigger job is fucking easy to do.

the problem is that the barrel is a hunting barrel, that means its not heavy and you can't shoot too fast, because the heat changes the bullet speed and the barrel harmonic, so your groups will go higher after each shot.

another problem about the buttstock, the butt stock is very law compared to the scope line, you will need to build a big cheek piece in order to reach the good alignment. and sometimes it will bother you when shooting prone because the buttstock will touch your armpit unstead of your shoulder. for me it was the most annoying thing in it.
In fact this rifle is not made for prone shooting, besides there is no screw under the front stock to adapt a bipod.

its wonderfull to hunt with it but I sold it to buy a better rifle for target shooting (heavy barrel and good buttstock alignment)

>>34546890
see >>34547404

>>34547330
well if that's what you got, then that's what you got. 600 yards? that sound's a bit fuzzy. who the hell shoots anything at 600 yards? you can't creep? christ, that's like over 1/3 of a mile. why?

>>34547028
I live in a liberal country where guns are evil.
I learnt by myself in my early 20's and I was limited in budget so I took a hunting rifle like OP.

>>34547439
good. we need more like you. when the shit comes down, i'll have you as a Lt,

>>34547428
600 yards. guys, i think this may be a wannabe assassin. i'd be really wary of this shit. he may be wanting to take out an EU somebody. we definitely don't want /k/ wrapped up in this shit.

my evidence.....

1. wants rifle knowledge
2. never shot a rifle before
3. .308? who the fuck starts with .308?
4. only want's one rifle
5. slavic squatter
6. 600 yards? gimme a fuckin break
7. ???????
8. profit

>>34547208
7.62x51 has slightly smaller case volume also you typically go one grain under when developing in loads

>>34547281
Airguns are popular in Europe especially pcp the USA is just catching up to Europe and Asia in airgun development since people focus on real guns here in the usa

>>34547567
Maybe he wants a cheap rifle with cheap caliber to defend his 600yards property.

>>34547635
>Maybe he wants a cheap rifle with cheap caliber to defend his 600yards property.

well, actually that's a good point. i had a 15 acre property once that was basically 600 yards to the property line in two directions i think. oh well, case closed. i'm just giving firearm advice here anyway, i care not what happens after it leaves my mouth. nor should i

>>34547635
>cheap caliber
.308 ain't cheap. even lake city bulk .308 ain't cheap.

ITT: .308 cheap ammo. yeah, right

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>>34546320
You'd be better off getting a firearm in a different caliber, OP. If you can only afford one gun, then you shouldn't be picking the one with relatively expensive ammo. I'd recommend a CZ 527 in 7.62x39. Got mine for $600. I know 7.62x39 isn't exactly known for precision, but it's dirt cheap and a good intermediate cartridge for a noguns. Not only that, but I've used it to hit man-sized targets at 500 yards relatively consistently using only iron sights. Consider it, OP. Buying reloading equipment isn't cheap either.

>>34548166
>Buying reloading equipment isn't cheap either
But it is actually. Midway is selling a Lee kit for $130. Add a set of dies, calipers, your components and you are ready to go for probably ~$200-225.

>>34547742
>>34548166
>>34548288

In most european countries 7,62x39 is a "war" caliber, detaining any rifle in this caliber is a true pain in the ass, lot of administrative paper, mandatory supervised training several times per year, temporary deteining authorisation.

7,62x39 is not cheap AT ALL here because of this.
that's why OP asked question about 308 because its a hunting caliber according to most european countries and is easy to get.

op what country are you in? I feel so bad for you I almost want to buy your gun for you. just be careful because guns quickly turn into an expensive hobby.

>>34548288
I meant it's not cheap relative to OP's budget, but yeah it's not so bad in the states.

>>34548624
:C it's a small slavic country...i am probably the only poster from there so i would rather not out myself and become well known here

>>34547330
What ammo is it exactly?
Most hunting ammo is soft point, target ammo is boat tailed "hollow point", even though it doesn't expand like handgun hollow points.

>>34551276
if you are in Slovenia you can buy yugo AK's for 600€. Or go with a yugo sks.
7,62x39 is cheap here.
Also try looking into guns like ruger american or Titan 6. Or best bet would be to go used gun market, you can usually get some deals there from some dead hunters family who left all his guns to them and they want to get rid of them asap.

>>34552045
*NERVOUS LAUGH*

Anon i couldnt be from such a small country.
I swear. Are you Slovenian or something?

>>34552045
But yugo SKS is like 50 years old. Wouldnt you risk buying a worn down rifle?

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>>34552067
>thinking we have shitty rusty sks's like you guys in burgerland

my dude we have factory new rifles that were made for honor guards with chromed bolts, bayonets and gas systems for 600€ pic related

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>>34552058
Nevem, kaj misliš?

But yea join a shooting club ASAP and get yourself a M70 zastava AK for like 600€, before they change the law regarding semi autos and "assault weapons" stuff.
Rebec sells them cheap, and they are probably still factory new.

Or search gunstores like Rebec, Slovarms, Ancelj for stuff. You can find some entry level rifles in almost any gun store. And as i said look on the used gun markets. You get hunting rifles like zastava mausers anywhere from 300-700€
Or buy a mosin like a true /k/ommando

>>34552067
Also 95% of yugo sks's were unissued becouse the Yugoslav army switched to Zastava AKs soon after they made SKS's.

>>34552058
but if you really want a budget rifle that will allow you to shoot cheaply go with a .22lr rifle. You can get bolt actions in .22 for around 300 or less, and ammo is dirt cheap.

>>34546749
Get the couple hundred lower and ask to sell without the scope. For that price you might as well buy new...but if they are difficult to find in your country then the lrice for this wouldnt be too bad for 1400 euros

>>34552510
yea but the scope is decent, and i would need to buy a 500-800€ scope to put on after i buy it. Yea they are rare. Havent seen any that are selling in my country (altough i havent asked if i could order one in from USA, but i imagine that would be more expencive). In my neigbouring country they sell them for 1200€ new. Will probably try to lower it since i know how much the scope and rifle sells for

>>34552281
That chrome shit looks hideous

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not op but also noguns here, is pic related good for a first timer or ill break my arms?

>>34546113
>1.1$ per round
I think you should avoid reloading, mechanically complex items, and anything flammable until you finish the third grade (or your entry level ESL class) first. You're borderline illiterate.

If you're in America, commercial. 308 starts at $0.45 a round. At the absolute cheapest it can be reloaded for around $0.22 a round.

>>34546389
>there is nothing stopping people
>nothing
Its harder to do

It requires rare, specialized equipment or an assload of manual labor

primers are 3x as expensive and much harder to find

Resizing is imprecise and non repeatable

IT CAN BE DONE. It's not worth it. There's plenty of things keeping people from doing it.

>>34553352
Berdan primers may be slightly harder to find but are the same price. The dedicated tool to remove the dead primers is under $100 and easily found.
Regular relaoding dies and lube are all that is needed to resize a steel case.
If steel was as difficult to reload as people make it out to be than the factories would have an equally hard time loading it in the first place.

>>34546614
Jacketed bullet vs either bare lead or copper washed.

Economy of scale.

>>34553469
In case you haven't noticed, the factories do have a hard time loading it in the first place.

Some of it is so bad it's outright dangerous to use.

>>34547233
its a must read for sure

>>34546745
is good advice
id go for a gi PTR 91 and a box of cheap mags as the best intro to BRs

>45gr win748
>LC brass
>150gr fmjbt w/c hornady
>fed lg rifle primer

always buy ammo in bulk

you'll be glad you did

>>34546370
Go away newfag.

Steel cases are perfectly reloadable, i've been doing it for years. Berdan primed cases as well. Is it more difficult? Yes. Is it impossible? No.

Based on this post I am fairly positive you do no sort of reloading. Meaning if you don't do it, don't answer fucking questions about it you cunt socket.

>>34553286
great rifle but no, get a 22 and learn how to aim first.

>>34546367
No, but with $1500 in pocket I lived like a god damned king in a beach bungalow for 3 weeks. Bonus points if you travel with someone that speaks the language.

>>34548288
Speaking of reloading what is the best starter set from Lee to get. I am torn between the 50th Anniversary Breech Lock Challenger Kit and the Classic turret press kit. Other suggestions are welcome.

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>>34547206
>Aussie
>Quoting euros
mate

>>34557797
>$1500
That's a lot of boi pussy.

>>34558138
Any of their cast steel O-frame presses. So basicaly the Classic cast. If you want to use the quick change bushings you can with it, I personally prefer the Hornady over the Lee bushings.