Why are black uniforms and gear a thing?

>>34535846

Probably to differentiate police units from actual military.

When has a LEO Entry Team ever required camoflage and concealment?

>>34535889
HRT wears camo

Intimidation

>>34535895
>HRT wears camo

Well that explains the recent surge in supposed transgenderism these days. Poor kids now just playing in the field, can't see anything dangerous then BAM! Camouflaged hormone therapy strikes again...

>>34535931
Okay that made me laugh

>>34535846
To not look like military other wise ppl would think that your country is being invaded.

It looks scarier than camouflage. I learned that from a video game.

>>34535846
If I recall, 80-90s SWAT had navy blue uniforms. Black is always the go to color when you need something to look "professional", not bright, and doesn't show dirt.

>>34535846
>doesnt camo with anything
>except night
>camo in any environment for 12 hrs of the day
>urban penetration, cuts power, isnt dark inside

implying

>>34536467
>Wearing black at night

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>>34535846
British are Red
Americans wear Blue
Police kills you Dead
In black because Fuck You

>>34536467
>>except night
wrong

>>34536498
I've seen foreheads, even fiveheads.... but hot damn if that ain't a sixhead.....

>>34535900
Pretty much this. My supervisor says the black "makes us look hella scary". Kinda defeats the purpose of toning down an aggressive presence.

>>34536467
Night isn't black. A darkish shade of blue is ideal.

>>34535846
>local sheriff's department
>short barreled rifles
>suppressor
>good optics
>military gear all over them

How is this shit even legal? The militarization of police needs to stop. Or else I'm gonna start loading 300WM AP.

>>34535846
>Why are black uniforms and gear a thing?

cyre says black is to intimidate specifically on their MC Black page. as far as I'm concerned, all these cops cosplaying operators in 2008 Afghanistan, Helamnd province should get reckt by IEDs.

>>34537904
>A darkish shade of blue is ideal.

you are dumb. with lowering light intensity, you loose the ability to see colors. everything turns into different shades of grey - no pun intended.

>>34537926
Hostages don't have peltors

>>34537997
>everything turns into different shades of grey
Well the freaks do come out at night.

>>34537967
They cannot be serious...

>>34537926
Mine has an MRAP, several Barret .50 caliber rifles, something on the order of 10 pallets of 5.56, and an armored full size RV for mobile base. I live in Louisiana and the entire parish has less than 150,000 people.

>>34535846
Cuz black lives matter anon you disgraceful bigot.

>>34538183
>The MultiCam Black™ pattern was developed to meet the unique requirements of law enforcement officers operating in high-risk environments. It projects a distinctly authoritative presence appropriate for domestic operations. MultiCam Black™ is designed to complement an officer’s existing equipment and present a sharp, professional image for top-tier law enforcement units.

http://multicampattern.com/multicam_patterns/#multicam_black_pattern

>>34536599
Na, it gives off a "don't fuck with us you'll lose" vibe. Helps get the other guy to back down

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I've wanted to be on a SWAT team since I was a child so I'm super conflicted over this. On one hand the police are only going to get bolder and more authoritarian if we let them go this route, but, on the hand I want to put every piece of shit druggie dindu & cartel scumbag in the ground.
Joining National Gaurd to be military police, so I can get into Civillian LE or DoD Police.
This gaurd shit better be worth

>>34535931
Hooray, I'm not the only person who thinks of titty skittles every time we talk about the FBI.

>>34538452
>docteur pavel
>je suis GIGN

>>34538494
Tu es un grand gar...

>>34538514
pour vouz

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>>34538404
you can look like a literal fucking SA trooper as long as you do what's right senpai

>>34538404

You want to murder people? Sounds like a cop to me.

>>34537926
The only real complaint here should be all the unnecessary accessories. I assume that if they're from a small community they might have to act in a SWAT capacity once every 2 years when a local meth-head holes himself up somewhere, so a sbr for easy maneuverability in a building and a suppressor to protect their hearing seems fine. Most of them probably barely shoot their guns, and while an optic shouldn't be treated as a crutch, it can still help the ones who really suck. A plate carrier that can at least stop most pistol rounds is fine.

I really don't understand what they could possibly be carrying in all those bags and pouches though. They aren't going to be in an extended firefight, so most of that seems useless. I feel like all they'd need is a couple mags, handcuffs, communications equipment and maybe one guy with some first aid stuff.

>>34538217
Ours had an MRAP, but they gave it to a department 2 counties over when they realized how expensive it was to maintain.

>>34538535
I took 2 years of French and know just enough to realize what the fuck is going on here with this Baine shit. Mange mon derriere

>>34536451
What game?

>>34537926
>>short barreled rifles
They operate inside building half of the time.
>>suppressor
To not disturb law-obedient citizens during operation.
>>good optics
To not mistake law-obedient citizen for criminal when shooting from distance.
>>military gear all over them
Not of this shit is """military""".

It's all for your own safety, you should be glad we can have local sheriff departments like that.

>>34538437
Where can I buy this eyeliner?

>>34537926
all that is god equipment for police though. Sounds like you WANT police to have shit equipment.

>>34537926
Compensation for rights restrictions. Used to be the cops of the 50s could do everything they could now with less, but with all these shitty RoE the police need the extra firepower and protection to do their jobs because they're no longer allowed to work off of initiative. As far back as the 90s the cops had the means to take out a literal tank if they needed to because that's the sort of crime that happens in America.

>>34538781
How's that boot taste? Is it delicious?

>>34539445
so police shouldn't have good equipment?

>>34539573
I can't speak for other countries, but violent crime has been going down since the 90s and is currently at a 40+ year low. At the same time, 'justifiable' homicides, at least with the limited reporting on that data, have been steadily increasing since 2001.

There have been numerous infringements on personal liberty since 9/11. This one is subtle but quite possibly the most dangerous. The police should have good equipment, sure, but good equipment in this case should be a reliable handgun, high quality plates, and maybe an AR-15 in the trunk for crazy and unusual circumstances. The data tells us anything more than that is unnecessary at best, deadly at worst.

>>34539749
Not that other anon, but...............

SAUCE YO CLAIM

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>>34537926
>>34538217
>all that SEAL wannabe LARPing
for what purpose?

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>>34539445
>giving cops decent gear
>equivalent to bootlicking/overly servile

Makes sense.

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>>34540624
Fun!

>>34538543
yeah, but its hard to protect and serve when you look unaproachable to the average civilian. swat can wear all the black they want, but your average beat cop needs to ditch the black and navy in favor of traditional light blue and drop the AR15 SBRs already, especially as all the military equipment just encourages those that are poorly trained to get trigger happy

>>34538404
>>34538404
He fell for the NG meme, exdee!

>>34540624
Pretty much any government agency spends money on shit it doesn't need to maintain or inflate it's budget.

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>>34536599
You sound like a fag. Go to some BLM march.

>>34539573
>>34540627
>not wanting cops to have innapropriate equipment is the same as wanting cops to have good quality appropriate equipment

whatever you say, bub

>>34536467
dark teal, dark purple, and dark blue will blend in night best of all colors.

>>34540646
tell me what the best flavor of shoe shine is

>>34540642
>spending money on shit you don't need in order to have money to spend on shit you don't need.

i am aware that this is indeed how bureaucracy tends to work but im not the only one that sees the stupidity in this right? like down right silliness?

>>34539749
Baltimore shooting that happened recently - the one with a white fucker dual-wielding extended mag hi-points? The first responders on scene were armed with service pistols, and one guy had a four-round twelve gauge and no additional ammunition for it. An officer was hit because they were incorrectly trained and ill equipped to deal with the threat, and because the officer in question was an incompetent female.

The militarization of law enforcement's ESU teams allows them to close the gap and make things better.

>>34535846
Professional looking and intimidating.

>>34540677
Well its because there are people in the government that actually try to regulate the spending of tax dollars by cutting excess from departments in the name of efficiency

Of course this just turns into a money spending contest among other departments to see who can secure their funding the best and just turns into a shitstorm of "OH WE WENT OVER OUR BUDGET BEING RETARDS PLS GIVE MONEY" and they can't say no because if government workers don't get their money it will be a huge shit storm.

Ironically the people trying to budget the government just make shit worse because they have no real way to discourage departments from doing this slimy garbage.

>>34540677
Welcome to the US government. Spend a shit ton or we'll just cut your budget big time. You either die irrelevent or survive long enough to become a bloated beast.

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For that 80's aesthetic.

>>34540682
you know, i saw that video, and there was NOTHING that military gear could do in that situation that their gear couldn't do jsut as well or better. the shooter was a retard wearing flipflops pointing his guns in oposite directions, standing in the doorway of a bus. So tell me one single thing they could have done better with their shitty training with an AR15 SBR that a 12 gauge couldn't do. also military gear or not would not have made a difference when your shot in the shin.

>>34540691
well a lot of it too is cheap army hand me downs. i know from working in a certain civilian 'paramilitary' organization/service that costs are 80% of the driving force in a decision. Why spend money on MP5s and better training when you can get a cheap used ar15 or even mrap from the army. and if you have a solution to the budgeting problem you described, I'm all ears

>>34536467
>12 hours of the day
in the winter maybe, at summer full darkness at 9:45 and light at 5 am where i live

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>>34540715
>and if you have a solution to the budgeting problem you described, I'm all ears

>>34540701
For starters, it could pump far more lead into him at a faster rate. Besides, thinking an AR SBR is mil-gear is as logical as calling the new police cruisers the same.

>>34540741
>retard cop magdumps ar15 in general direction of shooter
>it penetrates bus and kills bystanders
>the one round that hits him doesn't incapacitate him because its a fucking SBR with M855, and he the crawls away and uses his last few minutes to shoot people on the bus before he bleeds out

GG no re

>>34540648
That's right, nothing worng with cops getting a bit more firepower, given the current state of the US in certain areas. There's more than a few times nigs, beans, and crackers brought out some dakka. Not saying it can br overdone, but it's nice to have assets. Maybe could use a bit more training to justify the possession of such.

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>>34535889
How about an LEO that operates in outdoor environments like a game warden

>>34540780
yeah, but the AR15s or rifles is a bit of a stretch. there is virtually zero need for police to need to shoot past 75 yards in any real circumstance with the exception of police snipers, which is why all those AR15s are just ridiculous and gives way to many retards the impression that they are 'warrior' cops and not PEACE officers

These always devolve into the libertarian/sovereign citizen circle jerk. No one ever gives a reasonable response as to why law enforcement can't own/utilize the same shit these very people bitching about "militarized police" have in their own house. Why do people need optics, rails, plate carriers, camo. Well, why do YOU? Unlike your larping ass they actually do shit.

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>>34540808
Because I don't have the right to no knock someone's house or shoot the just for feeling threatened and get away with it. Shooting people is like 1% of what cops do unless you watch too much TV, but when you take these people who are supposed to protect and serve, and then arm them as if they were going to war, it not only makes theme start to act as if their citizens are 'the enemy', but also makes them unapproachable to the citizenry as well, further the divide between the state and the people (in addition, it is not the 100% best or optimized equipment for their job in the first place)

Kungfag here. Black uniforms make it harder to see whats going on with your hands, white uniforms make it easier, why? no fuckin clue.

>>34540764
>projecting his hard
>thinking this is russia we're taling about

>>34540842
Yeah this

I personally don't have anything against police possessing firearms that are commonly available to citizens, but I can fully understand why some people might not be okay with it.

>>34540849
That doesn't make any sense. If the couldn't have hit that retard in the chest with buckshot while in cover behind a cruiser from a distance of 25 yards what the fuck is an ar15 going to do better?

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>>34535846
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TTWOF2LzK-Y

>>34540793
Except there's a problem with that logic. Not every baddie is a soft target, not every engagement is gonna be at 75 yards, not every engagement can be solved with a pistol or shotgun.

The US isn't just cities full of passive merry-go people. State troopers have been engaged at ranges well past 100 meters, and police have encountered people equipped with full powered rifles/semi autos in situations where snipers can't be called in quickly. Gang bangers and radicals can get guns and armor too.

Your logic right there actually the reason quite a few cops have died in the past.

>>34540890
We're not talking about rural cops or states, we're talking about swat and beat cops. Body armor doesn't make you immune to bullets either

>>34540890
if there have been more than 3 shootouts in the us with body armor ill eat my hat.

I say this because even the police still just cite the one.

Protip they wont cite the other ones because first one was negroe terrorists and we cant militarize the police because ten blacks in body armor shoot a half dozen cops with m16s it has to be two whites. Double protip: it even happened 10 years before the hollywood shootout. The third was the shooter at the premier of dark knight rises who wore a full ballistic suit, but the police weren't trying to outline their failures or scare anyone.

>>34535846
oh shit black multicam looks badass post more

>>34540909
We're talking about cops in general. Urban or not.

Also, even the shittiest basic bitch body armor can stop 9mm and shotgun slugs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_the_United_States#Firearms

>>34540960
If you think getting hit multiple times by 9mm while wearing a vest isn't going to temporarily incapacitate you as the the officer and vanes on you and magdump tI'll you're no longer moving, your a idiot
If you think they are wearing body armor often at all to begin with, you're delusional

>>34540980
Not him, but are you saying that yank cops don't wear their light armor vest under their uniform at all ties?

>>34540946
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_police_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norco_shootout
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newhall_incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_shootings_of_Oakland_police_officers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout
https://www.google.ca/amp/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-palm-springs-shooting-20161011-snap-story,amp.html
https://www.google.ca/amp/www.eastbaytimes.com/2016/10/17/police-man-wearing-body-armor-attempts-to-shoot-vallejo-officers/amp/
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/crime-courts/2017/06/20/man-killed-in-fairbanks-officer-involved-shooting-was-armed-with-400-rounds-of-ammo/
https://patch.com/california/manhattanbeach/police-shootout-murder-suspect-near-lax
https://www.google.ca/amp/denver.cbslocal.com/2017/02/22/isaac-lesperance-torres-body-armor-d-denver/amp/

Plz provide pic of hat eating. You can bake some hat themed cakes if you like, but it has to be 40 of them.

>>34541004
No, I'm talking about criminals wearing armor

>>34540980
Like the Maimi and Hollywood shootings? Ya know the ones where everyone is hopped up on adrenaline?

Also, light body armor isn't hard to conceal when you wear a hoodie.

>>34541068
Have many Hollywood shooting s do we have? And are yiu really using fucking calI cops as your Benchmark. I don't re,ember seeing armor on his legs or face. They also didn't fucking kill anyone

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>>34541012
well thats a lot of links but three of them do confirm a suspect with body armor and but none of them mention the officers having trouble penetrating armor. You think gang bangers and the like would use it all the time.

Ill eat my pants too if you can find an instance of law enforcement having trouble penetrating armor that was not the hollywood shootout.

>>34540648
You're a compete faggot, AR-15s are appropriate for shootouts and SWAT. Current issue "shotguns in the trunk" are not nearly as good

>>34535846

because they hide dirt and stains, which cops often get while on the job

.mil types do brown because it works as better camo but also hides stains

>>34539749
Murder rates where up for 2015 and 2016. They are trending upwards for the first time since the early 90s.

>>34537997
>grey
and black sticks out like a shadow. When everything is barely lit by light from the moon or artificial lights, the brain is going to stick on shadows and silhouettes. especially human-shaped silhouettes. dark blue, brown or gray doesn't turn the wearer into a walking shadow like solid black does.

>>34535846
Hiding dirt, and intimidation. Militaries wear camo colors for good reasons, but police don't need camo.

If you're gonna smash someones door in and are gonna capitalise on violence of action, it can help to have a bunch of scary black stormtroopers doing the door kickin.

>>34536455
80's/90's swat in my area had OD green flight suits

>>34540868
>you don't NEED an ar15

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>>34543811
>>34540868
Just FYI, not entirely related, but every squad car in Germany has an MP5 in the footwell of the front passenger seat. Apparently we don't believe in buckshot.

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>>34535846
>Why do units where black?

Psychological intimidation, plain and simple.

Just about since history has been recorded, black colored things have been associated with negative/malign traits.
>inb4 nigger jokes
Particularly human beings wearing all black.

>>34538494
Ahahahaha thank you anon

>>34540842

I see both sides of the argument.

But the deal is, while there have been some nasty no knock raid incidents where the wrong house and so on were hit, the idea that we'd never have policing mistakes if the cops never got gucci'd up is fantasy thinking.

Most deadly encounters simply involve regular old approachable beat cops and something has gone wrong-- either the cop is scared or the suspect really is violent.

For all the talk about militarized police, they really aren't the source of the problem.

>>34537926
>The militarization of police needs to stop
This is 99% a meme. Just because a cops has mag pouches on his vest doesn't mean he's "militarized." The same goes when they are wearing riot gear during a riot. Do you really think the cops during the Furgeson riots should have been wearing ties and Corfams? While I do think SWAT teams need to calm down with the camo, they serve a very specific purpose and aren't out writing tickets and doing DUI stops in their armored vehicles. Stop believing every left wing meme that you read.

>>34538217
>Mine has an MRAP
which they probably got for free

Personally I'm fine with an MRAP being re purposed for a SWAT team to use rather than it sitting in a yard rusting away and a local PD paying $250k for an armored vehicle.

>>34538404
>Joining National Gaurd to be military police

Go active duty. NG time doesn't count for hiring purposes unless you've deployed. Do your active time and get out. It will benefit you in more ways than joining the Guard will. If you still want to join the Guard afterwards, that's fine and you can work towards a second retirement.

t. Former AD MP who is now NG and a Fed LEO

>>34540646
Lol. Ok fuckboi. I never said I agree with it. When you go to 20 fucking meetings within a month and listen to civilians bitch about how "police look too scary I'm scared of letting my kids near you" and "my poor tayshawn was just defending himself" it becomes part of standard procedure to be more nonthreatening even when tayshawn is trying to stab your partner with a screwdriver.