French Special Forces

>>34525304
Well they probably like mp7s.

>>34525304
which sf service? GIGN *mostly* a police unit. To qoute wiki;

>Since its creation, the group has taken part in over 1800 operations, liberated over 600 hostages and arrested over 1500 suspects, losing two members killed in action and seven in training. The two fatalities in action were sustained when dealing with armed deranged person

>>34525358

The picture happened to say GIGN, but I mean all of their SOF forces, in general, like the 11ème regiment de parachutistes, Commando Huberts, the Action Division of DGSE, etc...

I'm also just curious how different their training/approach is to other elite SOF units. I've heard they have a different approach to certain skills like parachuting, etc...

>>34525593
One got wasted in africa with an mp7.

>>34525804

Was that the failed Al Shabaab hostage rescue attempt?

They wave white flags and present their wives to the terrorists.
Does anyone have that /k/humor screenshot of how all the different special forces handle a situation?

>>34525304
Far left looks like he is about to grab someone in the Tiramisu, if you know what I mean, so there's that.

>>34525593
>basic bitch parachute infantry
SOF
Reeeeeeee

But anyway. Their Paras are the only ones I know anything about. They're basic bitch airborne infantry. Inferior in training to the US as a whole but they have some very experienced, very crusty senior NCOs and jumpmasters. I actually got my foreign jump wings with them, was fun.

>>34525593
> the 11ème regiment de parachutistes
There is literally no such thing in existence.
You may be thinking about 11eme Choc, which also doesnt exist anymore except in the form of the CPIS and CPES Service Action units. Or you may be thinking about 1er RPIMa (which I learned is trying to revert its name back to SAS, since it has its origins in WW2 with Free French troops in the British SAS), or even CPA 10 which specializes in pilot recovery behind enemy lines but also does the whole range of other SF stuff.

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>>34526018
Correct

>>34527472
Why is their training so bad when they have experienced NCOs?

Also, why did you get your jump wings with them instead of with the US Army? Did you have to learn French to understand the training?

>>34527472
>Their Paras are the only ones I know anything about.
Which ones.

>>34528599

Ah, okay. I was thinking of the 11ème Choc. I didn't know they were renamed.

Are their Tier 1 units just very elite paratroopers and light infantry and RECON-style marines?

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>>34528775
Wat. CPIS and CPES are literally black ops units, supposed to be able to give plausible deniability to anything they do. Pic related is a very rare example of a photo from their training, they'll typically operate in plaincloth after having infiltrated undercover.
They literally are the armed branch of a spy agency that has been known to carry out assassinations and sabotage even against countries France isnt at war with.

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>>34528968
Other example part of the same set.

>>34528968

Okay, like SOG in the Special Activities Division for the CIA. But are their military Tier 1 assets anything like our SOF? Like do they have elite military units at the level of like our Green Berets and SEAL teams? Or are their Parachutistes more like our Rangers? I'm guessing if they have SOG-type assets, they have to recruit them from somewhere. PS: Thanks for the photos!

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>>34529075
> Like do they have elite military units at the level of like our Green Berets and SEAL teams?
Yes.
>1er RPIMA
NOT to be confused with 3ème and 8ème RPIMA. Those are SF through and through, they literally have their origins in Free French SAS commandos during WWII.
Pic related. Occasionally known to operate in non-French uniforms.
>13eme RDP
A lot like the above but far more specialized in infiltration/intel gathering. It's kind of an open secret that they have carried out targeted assassinations in Afghanistan.
>4ème RHFS
Technically a helicopter regiment assigned to support special forces, whether with transport helicopters or Tiger helicopters. Funfact: I incidentally learned they were studying the possibility of converting Gazelle helicopters for use with a door minigun.
>commandos marine
Navy commandos. Several specialized groups among them, some of which specialize in infiltration via sewers I shit you not.
>air commandos
There are several groups there, but only one is part of COS and therefore SF. Which is CPA 10, which specializes in covert infiltrations in order to guide air assets for deep strikes.

All of those groups have been known to carry out the same kinds of missions at times. They are currently present in Syria, which was revealed a few months ago to the great surprise of... Absolutely no-one.

CPIS and CPES are on a whole other level of shady stuff.

>>34529260
>CPIS and CPES are on a whole other level of shady stuff.
Not that anon but I saw a clip on YT of what might have been them doing sketchy shit in Africa. All in civilian clothes and vehicles. Was pretty cool but all in French so no clue what happening really.

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>>34529260
Oh shit I just realized I know where that photo was taken, that's the Koron shooting range in Djibouti.

Here, have a photo of something that is not training, but during a hostage crisis with militants in Africa.

>>34529299
I saw that clip, basically they allowed a journalist to come on a low-risk mission to verify the veracity of an intel.
However I doubt the operative was technically a part of Service Action (armed branch of the DGSE), he seemed more like a field agent, which aren't necessarily military.

>>34529331
Interesting. Thanks for the background info. Those dudes must have massive balls working and trusting locals like that. Fucking sketchy.

>>34529368
I imagine they operate similar to the Green Berets' mandate and get to know and build relationships with the locals prior to trusting them.

>>34529260

So they were initially trained by British SAS? Interesting, I didn't know that. Sounds like the SAS are the source of pretty much every modern special operations force.

>>34529260

Any idea how other elite units feel working with them? Is there a tight relationship with French SOFs like there is between the US and GROM?

>>34529418
>So they were initially trained by British SAS?
They were initially PART of the British SAS.
>>34529429
I honestly couldnt tell you.

>>34529459
>>34529418
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_France_during_World_War_II#French_SAS_.281942.E2.80.9345.29

>>34529488

Thanks!

>>34529260
>targeted assassinations
any sauce on that? or is it simply raid stuff that most SOF over there are doing?

>>34530678
Let's say when you know a lot of officers (due in part to being one) spread out about everywhere, some stuff gets around.
The one I got this from is an LTC who had to work closely with 13ème RDP operators on procurement matters. I know nothing specific, just that it's the kind of stuff they apparently pulled.

Honestly it shouldn't be that different from what other SOF do there.

>>34530745
Thanks for the response. It's interesting how even units that specialised are now being used for an increasingly wide variety of tasks, and the differences between them seem to get smaller by the time.

>>34528715
High turnover rates for junior NCOs and lower enlisted.

I have my US jump wings, I was in the 82nd. The "foreign jump wings" are a prestige/bragging badge, just requires you to participate in one jump conducted by a foreign force. They had roughly a battalion of them that had come over to Ft. Bragg to practice with American chutes.

>>34528734
1 RCP

>>34529260
>>commandos marine
>Navy commandos. Several specialized groups among them, some of which specialize in infiltration via sewers I shit you not.

Recon marines train to infil via sewer,s too. I thought most recon units were trained for this, especially for in urban environments.

>>34530924
>The "foreign jump wings" are a prestige/bragging badge, just requires you to participate in one jump conducted by a foreign force.
Eh. I thought you meant you passed the French brevet.

>1 RCP
Not the most prestigious regiment that gets the best recruits to be honest.
They're not bad but nothing exceptional.

>>34530957
They were somewhat behind us in training quality, and a lot behind us in training hours. I attribute that to the turnover rates, most of their lower enlisted had less than a year in total and a lot of the junior NCOs had just rotated into the unit from regular infantry.

They're decent, sure, but certainly not an SOF quality unit like touted.

They did have some cool toys tho, the French chutes looked comfy and fell significantly slower than the T10D we used.

>>34531007
>They're decent, sure, but certainly not an SOF quality unit like touted
>like touted
It was NEVER an SOF unit to begin with. Who told you that?

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>>34528599
>>34528659
>>34528968
>>34528599

Do you know more about the CPIS? I can't seem to find anything on it... looks really shady.

>>34531176
It's '' officially'' a training unit. Which goes to show how they are open about what it' s really about.

>>34527472
Jumped with legion paras years ago, have done some CAS trips where frenchie JTACs were also doing the thing, worked on a contract and had a former FFL para from South Africa on my team. They're ok. JTACs were top notch on mic even in English. Paras were kinda meh. Shittalk as much as marines, like they've got self esteem issues or something.

>>34531120
The fact they're labelled "commandos"

>>34531329
>The fact they're labelled "commandos"
"Commando" do not designate an SOF unit in French armed forces. Confusing, I know.
And RCP stands for Régiment de Chasseurs Parachutistes, literally Airborne Hunters Regiment.
They do have a GCP (Groupe Commando Parachutiste), but as I said it does not denote an SOF unit, and at most it's at platoon strength for a regiment, so when you're speaking about a battalion sized detachment, I think you may have been confused into thinking they were SOF.

The only French SOF units that have "commando" in their name are part of the navy and air force.

>>34531368
Meanwhile the rest of the world goes commandos=SOF.

Also they themselves called themselves commandos and were rather proud of themselves. They spent a lot of time tooting their own baguette.

>>34531526
Should've reminded them they're not SOF.

They get a big ego because in their own regiment they are a pretty priviledged bunch, getting all sorts of toys the others are not, and with a notoriously more lax discipline.

Meanwhile actual SOF mostly see them as wankers.