Tiger vs Abrams

I'm fairly certain a King Tiger could kill an M1 Abrams from the rear or maybe even the side.

>>34507597
Shitty bait.

>>34507612

All I posted were facts.

The Tiger has a bigger gun (8.8cm vs 120mm) with more ammo compatibility and better but less machine guns.

The Tiger can mount a dozer blade and mine plow while the Abrams can only mounts a mine plow.

The Tiger has an infantry phone and radio while the Abrams only has a radio.

The Tiger's armor is face hardened which makes shells more likely to bounce.

The Abrams is much faster than the Tiger.

educate yourself

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>>34507597
Did you really think anyone was gonna bite such weak bait?

>>34507635
8.8cm is 88mm, 0/10 not even a factual bait post.

>>34507636
this bait is as strong as the panther's final drives

>>34507636

call my post bait all you want clothes minded people like you are what is wrong with /k/.

You can't accept facts and hard numbers, only opinions.

>>34507597
I'll bite...

The Abrams has ceramic armor, depleted uranium in american versions and ERA. Thus, the armor density is up there and it performs well against HEAT

The gun is far superior and the shells are better, the APFSDS can pen a huge amount of armour

infantry phone is pointless

i'm pretty sure they can equip Dozer blades onto Abrams, also, variant vehicles have them equipped such as the Grizzly

mind you, their weights are somewhat similar

>>34507659

It does not have ceramic or depleted uranium armor. It lacks dozer blades and important infantry phones.

Watch this series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULC0TOiZZzc

>>34507597
The Abrams has a gun almost 50% larger than the Tiger's gun.

There's no way the Tiger could survive a shell from a 120mm gun, while the Abrams would be unharmed by an 88mm shell anywhere but the rear.

the king tiger is basically a meme tank

>>34507671

Abrams fanboys btfo

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>>34507650
Ok, so you got hard number and facts from valid studies and sources, right?

>>34507746

Yes see:

>>34507671

>>34507671
Good stuff

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>>34507752
No hard numbers or facts backed by studies, just some guy sperging on Youtube. Try again.

>>34507842

That's one of the most reputable civilian defense analysts in history.

I'm beginning to wonder if threads like these are actually just falseflags to make wehraboos look even worse.

>>34507671
5 seconds of googling proves you wrong on all counts buckaroo.

So why were phones removed? Pattons had them.

I imagine squad level radios got better

>>34507597

Abe Lincoln could get inside the Tiger, therefore he wins

>8.8.cm bigger than 120mm.
See, you could have almost had a bait thread with the rest of the bullshit. Be more subtle next time. you'll get it right eventually.

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>implying either of these tanks are relevant when this mobile son of a bitch is flanking super slow vehicles, and basically you are fucking neutralized

>>34507597
Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 it 8/8

>>34507671
Holy shit this is hilarious.

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>>34508064
This UGLY son of an engineer is shooting SUPER EFFECTIVE rounds, and basically you are fucking flanked

Isn't this just another version of Mike sparks pasta where instead of saying the m48 is a better tank you're saying that the tiger is better?

>>34507597
8.8cm = 88mm, 120mm = 12cm

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>>34507597
Does the M1 Abrams secretly lack ceramic armor? Is the of inability of its 12 cm gun truly rendering it ineffective? These are important questions that need answers.

BUT FIRST

>>34508239
Poasting in a Bread

>>34508239
rolling

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>>34507901
No he isn't and you got no proof. Try again.

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>>34508239
Rolling

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>>34507597
>Tiger vs Abrams

>>34508239
rol

>>34507635
effective armor on the Abrams equates to 350mm kiddo

>>34508239
roll

>>34508239
Roll

>>34507636
Replying to it in any form is answering the bait. Me posting in this thread is taking the bait.
We're on /k/, instead of steadily working its way to the back page, with no replies, this fucker will have hundreds.

>>34507650
>...clothes minded people...

Isn't that /fa ?

>>34508044
>See, you could have almost had a bait thread
It's not a bait thread really, it's basically slightly different pasta that has already been posted.

>>34508239
Gimme a good one!

>>34508239
Gimme a brown and/or short hair one or I start a school shooting

>>34508064
> dex vs str

>>3450763
88<120 you moron.
The tiger also isn't stabilized by today's standard. The sights are shit by today's standard. No thermal.
Tiger is useless at night, and can't hit anything on the move or at more than 2km. It doesn't have sabot. It's a mechanical nightmare.

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>>Tiger: Infantry Phone, Radio > Abrams: Radio

>abrams has no infantry phone

>>34508239
verpiss dich

>>34507597
8.8cm=88mm

>>34507597
Abrams have depleted uranium armor with chobham ceramics.

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>>34507597
Clearly bait, but I'm still going to leave this here:
This is a Tiger II turret when a 152mm AP shell hits it.
An Abram's gun has more power than a ML-20, so yea...

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>>34507597
Now don't go spending all these (you)'s in one place.

>>34507635
>The Tiger has a bigger gun (8.8cm vs 120mm)
what the fuck

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>infantry phone
there's a lot of obsolete tech we don't put on stuff anymore

>>34508239
wew lad

>>34507597
better bait would be:

how many abrams would it take to kill a tiger II

( I have used that one to great success on the autists of /k/)

>>34507650
>clothes minded people
Anon, this is the thread you want: >>34500193

>>34507671
Come on OP, at least try!

>>34508239
ROLL

>>34511454
Just one.

If it's CREIGHTON ABRAMS.

>>34511534
>Abrams used Thunderbolt.
>It's Super Effective.
>Enemy Tiger was knocked out.

>>34508239
roll

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>>34507597

>>34507635
The Abrams has a Infantry phone numbnuts

>>34507609
definitely not the side, potentially the rear if the KT was using decent shells instead of late war trash.

>>34510969
You wouldn't want to be using it while the engine's running though.

Would a 105mm upgunned King Tiger be of any use in modern warfare? It certainly wouldn't be competitive with a M1A1 Abrams or better, but if upgraded enough couldn't it at least be comparable to the T-62/T-72/M60 generation that's still used by some poorer militaries?

>>34516381
>Would a 105mm upgunned King Tiger be of any use in modern warfare?
No
> but if upgraded enough
Yes but it would be a extreme waste of money on all levels. You would have to practically redesign it to the point that buying an upgraded T-72 from some eastern european country is cheaper.

>>34508239
Rawlings

>>34516381
About as useful as a Sherman with a 105mm.

>>34508239
roll

>>34508239
Fuck the bait kid, rolling.

>>34518288
dude, fuggin nice roll

>>34507650
Fuck off callum

>>34508239
rollin'

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>>34507597

>>34508239
Whorefu

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>>34507635
>no dozer blade

Wow that really makes me think

>>34516337
You can. It's not even that bad. Notice how it's on the side.

Now, if your directly behind it and the tank floors it and that Honeywell starts spooling up, yeah, your ass is getting 1st degree burns.

>>34520359

On the flipside, I've literally never seen a Tiger tank with a mine plow or a bulldozer blade.

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>>34507597
There is a lot wrong here, but I'm most mad about you forgetting the Abrams' infantry phone

>>34508239
also rollin

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>>34508239

Rolling
>uterus tattoo
Muh dick.

>>34508322
Frontal armor of the m1a2 is predicted to sit around 1400mm HEAT and 900ish KE

>>34507597

Try harder next time.

>>34508239
Rolling

>>34521310
>predicted
by whom?

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>>34521468
I'll be honest I have no idea but from what I've looked up I get measurements ranging from the 1400/900mm mark on the frontal hull to 2000/1000. Considering its classified it could be higher or lower

>>34508239
RollN

>>34508026

They were annoying to the crew and encouraged window-lickers to stand around the rear of a tank that could reverse to change position at any moment. Even on Pattons they tended to be "broken" more often than not.

>>34508239
.460 Rowland

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Tiger: face hardened rolled homogeneous steel > Abrams: rolled homogeneous steel

Oh shit nigga, are we comparing the Tiger to the XM-1 prototype? Sure, the Tiger might just stand a snowball's chance in hell of beating an L-7 armed XM-1 without any Chobham or anything.

OK, probably not, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

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>>34507597