>rimlock enfield confirmed for inferior to mauser

>>34502585
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvhwrb_8maQ

>>34502585
>being to stupid to load the clips rights
you know, rimlock can happen on mausers too?

>>34502585
>Loaded it wrong. Deserves to die.

>click click click click

>>34502585
>Be a sperg who can't into ordering rims on cartridges
>still don't want to die in baguette land
>drop magazine out
>depress round below top down into mag and correct rim position
>Don't die

>>34502786
>be american
>ping
>clip in
>click
>bang bang bang

>>34502622
Siamese mausers in 8x50r or 8x52r? Other than that, German, Belgian, Argentine, Chilean, Peruvian, Brazilian, Uruguayan, Spanish, Mexican, Swedish, Yugoslavian, and Turkish mausers, none use rimmed cartridges.

>>34502671
The Enfield is a rifle for a professional army not like most Mausers which were for peasants and conscripts. Take it as you will.

>>34503866
nah the only other rimmed service round was the ruski mass conscript army. The 303 was a blackpoweder shit show that the brits just kept using out of ineptness.

>>34502585
Dont forget that Lindy Beige was an "expert" for this movie, an expert on militaria that only recently fired his first gun

Shocker

>>34502585
Who lost both world wars?:)

>>34504026
The goys.

>>34502935
>be american
>ping
>try to load new clip
>one of the bullets is sticking too far out and keeps hitting the receiver
>die

>>34502585
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOYTdoQkFrM

>>34504026
In the end Europe was the big loser. EVERY country destroyed itself in both wars. Except the US.

>>34502585
>Mauserfags still trying to compete with the best bolt action rifle of ww2
Enjoy your hunting rifles.

>>34503885
What makes you think I was talking about rimmed ammunition? I was talking more about the sensitive feed mechanism of the Enfield as compared to the other guns like the Mosin and the Mauser families. And some of its... quirks.

>>34504327
>be American who knows how to use his rifle, not retarded yuropoor
>rap clip against leg to seat cartridges
>load and kill more euro trash

>>34504623
The Type 99 was the best, strongest, and most reliable bolt action of the war by far the Enfield in all of its forms cannot even hold a candle to it. Britbongs get blown away.

>>34504660
>5 rounds
>slow af action
>copy of 303 British as ammo
>thanks for the aircraft sights
>shit battle sights
>monopod?

The arisaka was literally the ww2 equivalent of taking a ww1 design and turning it tacticool. The fit and finish was very high quality early on no doubt. But it's literally a Mosin tier rifle. Aka a ww1 holdover that should have been replaced with a carbine.

But enjoy your spear that also happens to shoot bullets.

>>34503885

The Mk7 .303 was very effective over standard ball ammo. Plus the whole 10 rounds, oversized chamber, speed action, aperture sights with the No4, and short OAL with different sized stocks.

It's less refined than a Mauser or K-31, but it was more of a case of being invested too much in .303, and bad timing with smokeless powder. Hell, the action is not as strong as a Mauser, but it didn't matter by the Mk7 round.

Plus Vickers Guns were in .303 and they are literally the best machine gun produced.

t. american

>>34504688
I can tell you never even shot a type 99 with a matching bolt. They are both smooth and strong. The sights are great as well. In fact I prefer them to the No4. And the Japanese did what the British failed to fix their shitty rim on their service ammunition. Furthermore how can you say the guns are long. It is not much longer than a Enfield mk3?

>>34504688
>>copy of 303 British as ammo
as if, 7.7 jap is more like a 8mm mauser with a .311 bullet

>>34504820
They're similar length but the extra long bayonet on the 99 makes it lose points.

Also the Lee Enfield is universally accepted as the smoothest rifle and fastest firing.

The sights are objectively better on the Lee. Objectively because ghost rings of that type are still used and more common. The adjusting sights are very precise too, literally a pepe target sight. Better and more useful than the aircraft bullshit.

The rim on the 303 is a non issue. Look at the links above. I sometimes run 2 guns with my Lee and quickly haphazardly load clips. Never had a proper mosin tier rimlock.

I'll be honest. The 99 is a great rifle. It's just outdated by the time ww2 rolled around. The British Enfield is an objectively better rifle even if you look at magazine capacity. Add to that the ghost ring sight, legendary smooth and fast firing action. And very very reliable. It's overall the best bolt action rifle.

America would win best rifle. Simple cos semi auto. I'd give second place to svt cos it's a very good gun and more reliable than g43. Atleast the Germans who captured them loved them.

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>>34502585

I own a k98, No.4 Mk I and a Mosin.
Like the Enfield the best, hands down.

Vastly superior sights, ten round mag, fast and positive cock-on-close bolt, I'd magdump it all day if I weren't too lazy to reload enough ammo for it.
Sure, it's a comparatively weak action, and the cartridge was basically a relic even in WWI, but neither of that really matters for a service rifle.
Rimlock is only an issue if you're braindead to the point where you shouldn't be handling firearms in the first place.

The only gripe I have with it is that it keyholes with all heavier commercial bullets.
What I do is pull the 150gr bullets from the dirt cheap 7.62x54R milsurp and load them into .303 cases. Shoots great, costs next to nothing and pisses off fudds because MUH STEEL JACKETS.

>>34502585
If you can't handle it, stick to rim fires son.

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>>34503924
Source?

>>34503866
You really think someone would do that, just go on the internet and lie?

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>>34504724
>.303 vickers
>Fired consistantly for 5 days
>only stopped to change barrels
>no difference in measurements or tolerances
Why were they ever replaced? Seriously if it were up to me, all stationary MGs and vehicle mounted MGs would still be vickers. The only downside I can think of to those guns were the shoddy reliability of cloth ammo belts (which could easily be fixed today).

>at least they're still used in African wars occasionally

>>34505244
Having to carry water around all the time is a nuisance, and the things are really heavy. In modern use you don't need to sustain constant fire for 5 days, thats why air cooled reigns supreme

>>34505775
This and that most modern guns are quick change barrels.

>>34502622
>>34502786

doesn't realize that you can get rimlock because of shitty magazine followers, or by the correctly loaded clips getting out of alignment when pushing rounds into the magazine because you use shitty italian clips

>>34504045
Kek

>>34504327
clips were issued already packed and loaded, so you wouldn't have that problem

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>>34502585
>>34502592

if that nigga had a ross mk 2 all he'd have to do is flick the magazine depresser and that shit would be fixed!

ross mk 2: 1
Lee-Enfield: 0

enfield fags on suicide watch

>click click click click

>>34504892
>Also the Lee Enfield is universally accepted as the smoothest rifle and fastest firing.
Lol no.

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>>34502935
>>34504327
>>34502622
>>34504657
>clip

>>34506516

>being retarded
>PRETENDING to be retarded

>>34506516
You should be ashamed of this...

When is summer over?

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>>34506516

>>34506548
Not for another month and a half at least, I'm afraid...

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>in the trailer, regardless how it happens he quickly fixes it and chambers a round.

As much as I like the mauser clips better, nothing tops the buttery smooth bolt throw of an Enfield.

>>34506607

>football in a month

oh thank god

>>34506623
Those are some nice clips anon. Do they work alright? I have both shitty magazines and shitty clips. I've sanded down the inside of the clips and tried to pry them open with pliers and they still won't feed smooth.

>>34502585
Enfields are one of the most overrated rifles of all time.

>>34504892
>Universally smoothest action
How about no. The Krag is better wholly in speed. The Enfield was obsolete even by WW1. The British knew that when they tried to replace it with the p14. The action wasn't as strong or robust as the Mauser and the round was highly obsolete(if you have to instruct soldiers how to properly load a stripper clip to prevent a bolt action from jamming, something is up), the bolt itself requires a tool to preform maintenance(the enfield tool the type 99 requires no tools you can even do it with your foot yes i have tried it), the magazines had issues with wearing out hence the only load 5 instructions the British would give to new recruits(they dropped those instructions later thankfully), and even so 10 rounds doesn't matter when you expended all of them and have to load twice as long as the other guy next to you and plus the magazine sticks out and if you bump that magazine too hard too many times your bound to dent it up a real issue back when metallurgy was not up to par. The enfield was a good rifle back in the early 1900s and in ww1 but by world war 2 even countries like China(a poverty stricken country had better rifles.) The type 99 wins hands down.

>>34507423
You got that one right. Most people who like them are britbongs who never even held one.

>>34505244
How was that movie?

>>34504891
7.7x58 is literally rimless .303

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>>34507801
lolno
you're thinking the other 7.7 jap that was used in their lewisgun copy
show me a straight walled case fireformed to fit a .303 chamber and I'll concede the point

>>34507801
WRONG

>>34502592
He should have just hammered it home.

Back in the day if you were stupid enough to load it incorrectly you were supposed to just hit the bolt handle hard enough to bend the rims, which would get straightened back out when the gun was in battery.

>>34507801
Incorrect you are obviously someone who never reloads.

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>>34504913
>dirt cheap 7.62x54R milsurp

>>34507801
>>34507852
>>34509782
>>34510163
He's right. The Japanese 7.7 cartridge was just the same .303 loading that they turned into a rimless case.

>>34507852
Their Lewis gun copy just used .303.

>>34504913
That keyholing comes from the 2-groove barrels. I put a 7 groove barrel on my No.4 and it no longer keyholes.

>>34507423
No that's the K31.

>>34510724
>>34504913
The keyholing is from boat tailed bullets. They wouldn't have made 2 groove barrels if you couldn't hit anything with them!

>>34507423
and the Mosin is THE most overrated rifle of all time

>>34510793
No. The Mosin is the most UNDERRATED gun. How many times have I heard the "muh garbage rod" meme?

>>34505775
>>34506092
>implying we couldnt modify the Vickers to an air-cooled and/or quick change barrel when needed.
The action parts are what makes the gun amazing and reliable

>>34507793
Surprisingly good. It wont get the recognition it deserves though due to retarded screen directors guild rules that it broke (Netflix release at the same time it was released in theatres).

>>34510177
>dirt cheap 7.62x54R milsurp

Okay, what about "7.62x54R milsurp I bought back when it was dirt cheap?"
I have enough of it to last me a lifetime for three 7.62x54R guns and the Enfield to boot.

>>34510769

Yes, I know. Heavy, boat tailed bullets, to be specific.
The 150gr silvertips are also boat tailed and almost exactly the same length as ~180gr lead cored commercial ammo, but they're lighter thanks to the steel core, meaning the two grooves manage to stabilize it.

>>34507423

Go fuck yourself, Franz. The Mauser is hot trash compared to the Enfield. I'd rather have my Mk.3 than any historical bolt action.

>>34507774
>The Krag is better wholly in speed
Have you used both? I have, the krag feels slower because of the cock on open mechanism. But honestly both feel good, and the enfield has the advantage of it's locking lugs running in a raceway which makes it much easier to work with the shitty quality 303 paki surplus i was using. Ruptured cased where not uncommon with that shit.

The Pattern 14 enfield was never intended to replace the lee, it was intended and used as a marksmen rifle. The stronger and more accurate action made it better for marksmen, not very useful for the kind of fast rate of fire that was actually useful in ww1 or 2. And all the good things about the p14, like the sight where incorporated on the No4.

>MUH RIMLOCK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOYTdoQkFrM
Even without the chamfer at the back, using some sellier and bellot surplus, i can say i have yet to have a rimlock, and i run some competitions with my friends with rapid fire.

>Bolt needs a tool
So did most other bolts. Thankfully Brits had something called LOGISTICS. It's not even an issue, i got a lee enfield that was shipped and surplused off and without any adjustments to the bolt shot out of the box covered in grease. I give the arisaka that it has a majestically simple bolt, and as a machinist it's really interesting. But it's not really that big of a deal.

>mags wearing out
this comes from replacing mags to load. Which is a fair point against the lee, but the mags where never meant to be interchanged, doing so wears out 2 little lugs on the back of the mag. Not sure if it actually does anything since mine are gone. And the dent thing, is a non issue, some arsenals made shit mags, but most where fine.

>10 rounds doesn't matter when you expended all of them and have to load twice as long as the other guy next to you
>OH NO! HOW EVER WILL I ONLY LOAD 1 STRIPPER CLIP! DAMN TOJO GOT ME! IF MY MAG HOLDS 10 I GOTTA LOAD 2 CLIPS!
Seriously?

>99 wins hands down
At being a better mosin?

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>>34512228
>just because I dislike Enfields means I'm a Kraut shill
Top kek

>>34514604
I have fired both. The Krag is way faster I do agree that the bolt design is worse though. The Pattern 13 Enfield and its new round was meant to replace the older obsolete Enfields. If you rely on logistics for a tool to take down a simple bolt something is up. And yes 10 rounds doesnt matter when you expended all of them you will most likely load 5 when rushed in battle. My rim statement holds true and even bloke had that problem in the video you posted. Salty Britbongs will deny everything I said but they are just butthurt that even the Chinese adopted a superior rifle than the empire that controlled the seas and land.

>>34514604
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUNeEmABiBU

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