Helicarriers

>>34497847
>Find a flaw.
An arrow.

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Posting superior aerial aircraft carrier.

It does nothing that existing logistics couldn't accomplish while being several orders of magnitude more expensive, and more vulnerable to pretty much anything north of small arms. Lose even one of those fans and you're in the shit.

If you're invading another country, you're doing it either through a border or from the ocean. Existing carriers cover the ocean bit, and I bet you could build a shitload of ground based airfields both inside your own borders and in captured territories for what it cost to even build this thing, let alone all the extra you'll pay in upkeep to keep it flying. So it would probably be perpetually easier to just build an airfield whenever you need one rather than whip this thing out for Hakim to get lucky shooting at with forty year old soviet hardware, or even fucking around with fire control and an eighty year old BOFORS.

>>34497847
>blow out one rotor with a missile and it is now unstable and nearly useless
>blow out two and your multi-billion asset is now not even a repairable crater in the ground

>>34497847
>Find a flaw
only a retard would think that you could lift off 1000s of tonnes of steel into air with those engines.

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>>34497892
You posted the wrong one.

>>34497847
>that retarded runway/rotor position
If a jet doesn't break fast enough or a catch Cable snaps, there goes your carrier

>>34497924
Technically speaking, that's the same dealie with conventional carriers only replace missiles with torpedoes and rotors with screw propellers. The flaw with the helicarrier is that there's no way to defend it with a battlegroup like you can its naval counterpart.

>>34497847
>tfw one of your planes gets sucked into a rotor and crashes the helicarrier

>>34497974
Also with a helicarrier the parts you need to damage to destroy it are a much smaller portion of the vehicle and there's no passive ability to stay in the air (vs a passive ability to float).

>>34497974
Usually the navy carrier won't crater itself into the seafloor if the screw propellers are disabled.

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>>34497974
Proper compartmentalization coupled with good damage control and bilge pumps can prevent even a badly damaged ship from sinking, at least long enough to let the crew safely evacuate and destroy all your relevant codes/intel.

With a helicarrier, you're going to go down hard and fast and there's no hope in hell of being able to stop that without, say, giant fucking parachutes.

ALSO, good luck landing or taking off in anything with those GIANT FUCKING FANS creating such a fucking massive amount of turbulence, it'd be like trying to land a fighter in a goddamn hurricane.

>>34498025
This
I don't think we have enough of gyroscopic technology at this time to even cover the turbulence issue. Not to mention fueling issues

Inb4 nuclear power
I don't know about you but I don't want a reactor flying over my head. If that shit gets hit and it goes critical lol rip everything

>>34498053
Unless you live in New York you don't have to worry about it. In Marvel New York is the center of all universes, everything important happens there, that's why all the superheroes live there.

>>34498053
>If that shit gets hit and it goes critical lol rip everything
Always amazes me how uneducated people here can be.

Nuclear reactors use fuel that's nowhere near critical mass, shit's not going critical even if you lob a fucking MOAB straight at the reactor core.

>>34497847
The secondary runway leads into a turbine.

Why is Marvel such shit?

>>34498108
Just have to worry about nuclear waste at the crash site.

Why are capeshit faggots so stupid?

>>34497847

> Miss landing wire
> Get sucked into giant fan
> Die and destroy the carrier all in one motion


Do they still aim to trap "OK, 3" or do they just report "We didn't die"?

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>wildlife sucked into rotors
>carrier crashes (hopefully not in a city/base)
>birds cause multi-billion dollar damage

>Use up an ntire oil fields worth of refined fuel to get the thing flying
>Use same amount bi-hourly to keep it hovering
>The resource wars are fought so crazy generals can keep their floating sky fortresses flying for just a few more days till they run out of oil to refine

>>34498108

They can have criticality events and shower you with deadly radiation.

>>34497847
Need magic to work.

>>34497847
Fucker doesn't need weapons or fighters, it's outputting so much goddamn downward thrust that it just needs to fly over hostile cities to rape them to death.
Physics fucking wept.
>And then they used Stark tech repulsors instead of bigfuck fans
So now you have several thousand tons of thrust from what are basically directed energy weapons shooting straight down, making everything so much worse.

>>34497893
But let's assume it has basically infinite cheap power, and a cloaking system turning it invisible, both of which are available in the Avengers universe. Then it makes more sense.

>>34497847
Nevermind the whole problem of finding engines big enough to lift it, what's the advantage? Anything it could do, your basic naval carrier could do without the risks of everything below taking pot shots at it all day

>>34497847

No1, there should be taller shrouds along the carrier fans so a plane can't fall in. No2, If the carrier could match the fighter's landing speed then it could just float down onto the runway, but if it has to land hotter, like on a real life carrier deck, it's a complete disaster waiting to happen.

Just seems like a colossal waste of money.

>>34498224
>Nimitz class is approx 100k tons
>Helicarrier appears bigger
Haha fuck, that's some world-ending downdraft

>>34498230
Why not get carriers and put the same stuff on them, then? I feel like we just ran into a tanks>robots situation here.

>>34497847

Weakness to nuclear airburst missiles

What if we got rid of the fans and suspended it below a big hydrogen balloon?

Passive flotation and much less of a resource problem.

What is the volume of hydrogen and how big would the envelope have to be to suspend a 100000 ton ship 30,000 feet in the air?

>have to make a turn
>jets fly out the god damn window
fucking retarded

>>34497847
If it's fast enough to provide a tangible benefit over a real sea carrier then the wake turbulence will be too lethal to land on it.

If it isn't faster than a naval carrier then what the fuck is the point

>>34498250
If the carrier is flying fast enough so that a jet can essentially hover, we're gonna have to worry about crew members on deck and parked planes.

>>34498279
Quick envelope math tells me you'd need 9,090,000 cubic feet of Helium to lift a 100,000 ton object. Once you realize that the gas itself has weight, a containment envelope capable of holding that much fucking helium has weight (also, fuck that's big), the system to attach the fuckmassive balloon has to withstand stresses that would make material scientists weep, and the fact that there is a finite amount of Helium in the world...
Dude comics lmao

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Yer if the fighter miss ther 1 try landing, gets sukt ind to giant fucking fan on end of landing strip. Down she goes.

>>34498279

100,000 tons = 199,580,642.8 lbs

71.05lbs of lift per 1,000 sq ft volume of hydrogen

199,580,642.8 / 71.05 = 2,809,016.79 units of 1000 sq ft volume.

Thus 28,090,167,900 sq ft of hydrogen needed for neutral buoyancy.

You'll want some lifting power and ability to climb above neutral buoyancy plus the volume for the gas to expand into as you increase altitude. lets call it 10%

28,090,167,900 sq ft *1.1 = 30,899,184,690 sq ft

Considering 30,000 feet has an absolute pressure ~25% that of sea level you're going to want volume equal to roughly 4 times your sea level boyancy volume.

30,899,184,690 sq ft * 4 = 123,596,738,760 sq ft

Now the envelop size necessary for 123,596,738,760 sq ft of hydrogen volume would require a cylinder with a length of approximately 10,000 feet by 4,000 feet diameter.

For reference your cylinder envelope would have to be about 10 carrier lengths long and about 4 carrier lengths in diameter.

Just for fun, Hydrogen costs about a dollar per kg to refine/manufacture. Your 123,596,738,760 sq ft envelope at 423.36 sq ft per kg would cost about $291,942,410.15

>>34498210
Depends on what altitude that happens at - if it's still flying when the core gets damaged badly enough for a runaway reaction to occur, then the surrounding atmosphere will absorb a good deal of that radiation before it can do any damage.

If it's close enough to the ground for it to start affection civvies, then they've got more problems to worry about - namely, 100,000 tons of flaming, exploding, radioactive superstructure hurtling towards the ground.

If they're lucky, nuclear contamination will stay contained to the crash site. If the carrier goes kaboom or vents out a lot of radioactive material, then you've got an oversized dirty bomb that'll contaminate a pretty sizable area.

>>34498079
Also in Marvel radiation gives you superpowers instead of cancer.

>>34498484
Only with plot armor

>>34498279
I got something like 21 billion cubic meters, but my maths might be wrong.

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i miss the good old days

>>34498345
the exercise was for hydrogen.

If talking about helium then take all of my above math and essentially multiply by 2.

Except for the cost. Helium costs about $16 per kg.

123,596,738,760 sq ft * 2 = 247,193,477,520 sq for a helium envelope.

Envelope size would be about 10,000 feet by 5600 feet for helium.

Cost for the Helium would be ~4,671,078,562.40

>>34498484
Not always, you have to have the gamma mutate gene, or it just kills you horribly. Otherwise Marvel Earth would never get invaded by aliens. The governments would just turn everyone into hulks, then after the first invasion, word would spread, and no one would mess with that planet full of green assholes.

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>>34498496

>>34498455
>>34498498

I apologize. The cost estimates were based off of expanded volume at 30,000 feet which is wrong. Should be based on sea level volume..

Actual costs would be:

Hydrogen
$72,985,602.54

Helium
$1,167,769,640.60

>>34498518
And if we were to go with the cheaper Hydrogen model, all you would need is just some static electricity, a match or a single anti-blimp round a'la WW1 aircraft munitions to take that whole bloody thing down.

Yeah, no wonder nobody has built one.

>>34498193
>motor runs fine with a near indestructible human size piece of power armor scraping around inside it
>somehow a seagull will kill it

>>34498580
>demolition charge the size of an arrow broke it
The movie is kinda inconsistent on what the thing could and couldn't handle

>>34498604
Arrow man's powers are that he can do anything so long as he uses arrows to do it.

>>34498230
> let's assume it has basically infinite cheap power
At which point we might as well use laser platforms stationed in orbit, seeing as any retarded idea suddenly becomes feasible.

>>34498230
Then we might as well build multiple smaller Klingon birds of prey and photon torpedo teh suckers from low orbit.

>>34497847
They crash

>>34498657
Quite often too. It's a bit of a running joke at Marvel.

>Maria Hill:I've had the same car since I was 17. This thing falls out of the sky every other week.

>>34498498
The US has spent less

>>34498801
But that was just the prize of the gas.
You would still have to build the balloon and the carrier on its back as well as all theinstruments, weapons and craft you wish to launch from it.

maybe it would make more sense in orbit, but then aircraft would have to be able to provide enough thrust to return, which means the enemy probably has the same capability.

>>34498484
Wasn't there an arc where Mary Jane got cancer from Spider Man's cum

>>34498968
What if story that took place in the future. Not as funny as the DC story where the justice league got some kind of disease that would kill anyone who's butt they ever touched, or something to that effect. There's a panel where Superman and Green Lantern are concerned about Lois Lane and Carrol Ferris, respectively, Batman is there too, and his thought bubble reads, "Robin, my God, I've killed him, what have I done!?"

>>34498279
Just use a lutece particle at this point famalam

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Find a flaw.

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Cloud Base is the superior flying aircraft carrier

>>34498234
closer to targets less fuel cost for fighters.

>>34497847
Why launch planes off the runway instead of dropping them from the bottom and letting gravity get their speed up?

>>34498230
Your post is basically
>but what if it was invisible and it could fly all the time?
Any idea becomes possible when you say that, even the idiotic ones. ESPECIALLY the idiotic ones.

the biggest problem is that it is launching planes, we already have aircraft carriers for that.
what you really want is a hell-carrier that launches boats and submarines. which would drastically reduce the travel time for the vessel

>>34498230
Is it practical?
>No
But what if it had infinite fuel, was invisible, was weightless, cost nothing, was invincible, and the planes landed perfectly every time?

>>34498108
>not understanding about radiation and the possibility of the creation of Corium
No you're uneducated

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find a flaw

>>34499996
It's airborn battleship but almost all it's guns are dedicated to shooting up?

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Obviously it'd be beneficial to have a flying aircraft carrier. Saves planes the time to climb and gain altitude. But if we're being realistic, it'd be difficult to keep a flying aircraft carrier floating in the air. How could /k/ bridge this gap? I have a modeling program running and I'll start making rough sketches for fun.

If something like this is ever built, it must be armed to fire Nuclear munitions. Not missile's, but Artillery, designed to fire tactical nukes to deal with amassed threats.

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At least it'd be easier to redeploy to another area, I guess? IIRC in The Avengers, the carrier was amphibious as well. You could have it floating in the Gulf of Mexico, and if you needed it in the North Pacific you could fly over America and get it there by the next day, less probably, since you wouldn't need to sail the thing all the way around South America to do it.

Why you'd want something as obscenely expensive to operate as this would be, instead of just having multiple carriers (which would probably still end up being cheaper than a single heli-carrier in cost to build, equip, fuel and maintain) in the places you need them, I don't know. But there's that, I guess?

>>34500205
I got an idea, a very light weight heli carrier designed to launch nothing but drones. Much cheaper then anything jet based and would actually serve a purpose.

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>>34497847
They would make an awesome weapon of fear and intimidation. Even if you dedicated 1/5th of the space to actual aircraft, and just armored them. Hanging over your city, so enormous, and invulnerable.

That's the show of force we need to keep terrorists down.

>>34497847
Helastupid

>>34500129
You could have a pretty big aircraft constantly in the air if it's nuclear powered. No air refueling (nonsense). You'll only need a single gigantic airstrip for your fleet to land and refuel once every ten years.

>>34498514
could be neat, everyone is secretly modified with a gamma mutant gene, only instead of being directly activated by an emotion it requires a special pheromone to activate.
So humanity carries on normally and then when some alien empire has the balls to actually land troops on the planet, the governments spread that shit everywhere, entire planet hulks out, bitchslaps the alien fuckers and then when it wears off go back to being normal humans.

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>>34499406
Remember that one episode where it was nearly destroyed by Khan's battleship?

>>34500205

Remember in the Marvel cinematic universe, they have a power generator called the arc reactor which is some nebulous zero emmissions energy. I don't doubt that'd be on board and power wouldn't be an issue.

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Find a flaw

>>34500468
>Ventral tank turret

How this thing is supposed to land ?

>>34500609
Very carefully.

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>>34500542

There are things I never understood when I was a child ...

>>34500593
>Find a flaw
Nothing stops it to spin around its rotor...
>helicopter basics

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>>34497847
Instead of this stupid fantasy shit, I think we'd be better off doing more research on parasite fighters.

>make fuckhuge jetpowered plane
>so big it makes the current largest military planes look like fighters
>take current generation fighters, outfit them so that a decent part of the top of the aircraft is extremely magnetic
>Install big ass electromagnets shaped like the top of said fighter, put them on the bottom of the host's wings on a rail


>when you want to deploy fighters, simply send one out on a rail and release the electromagnet
>when they need to return, for fuel or munitions, you turn the electromagnet on
>once attached, flick a switch, the whole assembly comes back in via rail, and folds in to the host aircraft.

You could have one of these deployment systems per wing on the host, and would be able to get a large force into the air very quickly.

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Find a flaw.

>besides the shitty Xbox sequel

>>34500655
Just keep firing the guns in the correct direction.

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>>34499996
Not using these massive behemoths of floating destruction to carry out napolionic era line battles.

Oh wait.

https://streamable.com/i0k5c

>>34500609

Land? Get the fuck out of here with that casual shit.

>>34500654
The navy always was a man thing.

>>34500700
>zeppelin
>almost zero armor/"hull" can be perforated by standard bullets
>probably a fire hazard too

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>>34498279
Fuck it. Let's just get some British scientists to grow us whale zeppelins. More likely to happen.

>>34500764
>I never played the game
The gas bags were armored, bullets did nothing.

>>34498213
this

>>34500655
NOTAR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOTAR

I'm sure a functioning helicarrier is physically possible at some level but it would be so impractical and so mind-blowingly expensive that whatever dumbshit military power wanted to build one deserves to have it fall from the sky when one of the rotors asplodes.

Just stick to giant ass supercarriers and fuck off.

>>34498230
You could still see it in radar and infrared from very very far away. Possibly it also makes a hurricane around it so anybody could see it in weather radar.
Submarine or spaceship aircraft carrier would make more sense.

>>34498230
With infinite cheap power, what's the point of a carrier anyways. Normal planes would have an infinite range, so there is no need for the carrier in the first place.

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>no one's talking about this guy

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>>34498496
So do I, Anon.
>>34500700
>Tfw no HD remake

>>34498516

In the fucking 20s man. You ever seen the paratrooper footage of one of those?

>>34501395
Wait, where the fuck is that from?!?
>on mobile, no reverse image search

>>34497974
Aircraft carrier hit with a torpedo... few crew lost, few rooms flooded, still capable of floating as bilge pumps evacuate water. Even in a fatal shot the time to sink is like a hour...

Flying carrier hit with a missile in the big fuck huge rotating fans... Motor seriously FUBAR, entire ship is off balance meaning those fuck huge propellers are going to have to compensate heavily for the loss of one (ever seen a quadcopter drone lose a propeller? yea never good and good luck accelerating fuck huge fans in time to compensate) and to be able to do that they need to be able to pivot from their connecting joint to the rest of the ship....

never mind the time till impact with earth depends on altitude and generally speaking you have even at best case scenario at 8,000 ft where air pressure is still thick enough to fly a helicopter at. A human falling from that height would hit the ground in 48.5 seconds a fuck huge heavy ass aircraft carrier would hit it even faster while everyone inside the ship is pretty much pancaked to the ceiling till impact...

>>34497847
Everything. Everything about that is a flaw.

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>>34498279
What could go wrong?

>>34497847
75% of the Earth is covered in water and you want to put your ship in the air? What is the point?

>>34498230
>infinite cheap power
What does it run on, pixie dust and good feelings?

>>34501263
>normal planes would have an infinite range
Unfortunately, they would not have infinite munitions

Also,
>what is pilot fatigue

>>34498199
And if we Constructon material made of Helium?

Checkmate Atheist´s

>>34500468
>find a flaw

tons of flaws
1. arming it with a heavy ass anti-tank cannon instead of more anti-armor missiles
2. 4 ammunition based weapons, Cannon, 2 gatlings, railgun and only really enough space for ammo of one
3. cannon recoil and reciprocating mass would alter the balance of the aircraft
4. poor visiblity for 2 Gatling guns (why do you need one in the back in the first place? everything behind you should be dead if you have good frontal visiblity)
5. cant land with the canon equipped as the other guy said
6. short as shit refueling probe and those rotors are a bad combination
7. very poor Aerodynamics which will hinder the range which means that short as shit refueling probe is vital but as #6 implies fucking useless in the image

>>34500468
Not enough guns.

>>34501648
I agree with you until you said aircraft carrier would hit the ground faster, have you ever taken a high school physics class

>>34501793
Because 100% of the earth is covered in air
Checkmate waterfags

>>34501903
considering air drag coefficients of something that needs to be flight worthy it probably would hit first

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I have nothing to contribute, I just wanted to post this because I think it looks cool. Goodbye.

Everyone seems to have forgotten the three insight carriers in winter soldier, that had dozens of sniper guns per ship, dozens of aa cannons, and iron man lifters.The only stupid thing about those carriers was having the brain of each ship, in a glass ball on the bottom. They also seemed to have a genocide range of quite a few miles.

>>34499494
the logistics of engaging the engines during freefall would be nightmarish. let alone training them for it.

>>34497847
>Only 2 propellers to keep it upright
>Completely vertical
>Engines in the back are firing

That thing should be doing loop-de-loops all over the place

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a
flaw

>>34502257
It'd look better without that turret.

>>34502257
Rotor isn't on CoM

>>34502257

Bottom fin at the back won't catch enough air to be useful

>>34502257
That big fancy gun on the belly can't really point anywhere

>>34502257
UCAV = trash

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>>34501628
Found it on Google images.
>You will never buy pic related and paint it in classic Fortune Hunters colors like a Hoplite
:(

>>34502449
>working on my pilot's license
>eyeing a Littlewing LW-4 kit
Pretty close.

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>>34502500
This is what I want.

>>34497847
>Find a flaw.
Physics and finite energy.

>>34502256
It's a retarded idea, so a third of the interior space is clearly devoted to flywheels.

>>34502561

Sort of want...

>>34498230
is it true that only super gay retards watch super hero movies over the age of 13?

yes. yes it is

>>34498610
hawkeye's real superpower is how he kept his marriage stable and happy despite working with high-test women for years

>>34498553
sooo, what happens when everything starts running on fuel-cells?

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>>34500110
Their enemies invaded from above.

>>34498113
Not defending marvels tard status but notice in all media the only craft on the upper runway are VTOL quinjets. The f35s and 22s deploy from the central lower.

>>34502251
engines-hot drop

>>34497847
>bad weather

>>34500905
>EYESIGHT
There's nothing like that on this heli.

>>34498620
Exactly, with such cheap power at this point you might as well just station a massive fuckin laser in space capable of annihilating anything you wanted it to. The Avengers Universe is gay as hell because they come up with random shit that makes no real sense only for the reason that it might be kind of 'cool'.

>>34504799

in the avengers series on TV, they have that already and have it aimed on the location where they keep all the crazy shit.

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>>34500773
What

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>>34504931
The Leviathan series my dude.

It's a steam/biopunk trilogy set in 1914 or just before. Europe is split into two mindsets. Darwinists (the entente) and the Clankers (central powers). Darwinists have giant lab created creatures that serve as underwater weapons, air ships, ground vehicals etc whereas the Clankers have mechs.

Good trilogy

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>>34499406
>Find a flaw.
It's not pic related.

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Outta my way, numarvel fucking shits

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>>34497847
>you will never be the captain of a zeppelin carrier blowing up plebs in the trenches with a fleet of smaller zeppelin bomber drones

>>34497847
Even if you make it work, you're still using a lot of fuel just to keep it in the air. That's fuel you could be using in the aircraft you're carrying on it.

>>34504799
>The Avengers Universe is gay as hell because they come up with random shit that makes no real sense only for the reason that it might be kind of 'cool'.
>implying that isn't what basically all fictional media does

Seriously it's called rule of cool, and it isn't meant to be taken as realistic. Fucking autists.

>>34504448
Tail landing gear, see the little exhaust with the red double hexagon above it?

>>34500258
Are you retarded or just baiting lmaa0

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>>34498213
This

>>34505535
Great first book. I'd hesitate to say good trilogy

>>34499996

Its not an Urbanas class.
Seriously, of all the ships this was the only one to really be able to fuck up anything and everything, including the "Kill-Em-All" Silvana.

http://lastexile.wikia.com/wiki/Urbanus_class
http://lastexile.wikia.com/wiki/Silvana

And the silvana was basically an aircraft carrier with an impressive array of weaponry on its own.

>>34500700
This was some good shit, man, thanks for reminding me

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The closest we'll get are probably motherships for drone fighters, like the Arsenal Bird from AC7.

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>>34506998

>>34497847
Seems impractical but if you have space fighters in the future I suppose it could help to get them into space faster.

>>34505651
Call of duty infinite warfare was the best battlestar Galactica game I've ever played

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>>34507102
>forgetting about Homeworld

>>34497893

this. why not have a full fledged, space worthy, carrier ship instead?

>>34507102
>>34507119
>not playing Diaspora and Beyond the Red Line

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>>34497847
Captain Frankie approves.

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>>34507176
I like the way this sounds.

>>34502146
Well, you are not wrong on that aspect. It does look pretty fucking cool. Thanks for sharing

>>34506274
Suppose not. First book was best. It went a little off the deep end but the later half of the 2nd was good

>>34497847
The only advantage I see is the fact that it goes over land but that is overshadowed by the fact that considering that there are no anti aircraft weapons visible on it if all of its aircraft were damaged it could be destroyed by ww2 technology, a squadron of b17s and a few p38s or p51s and that carrier is done for

>>34499534
Reverse aircraft carrier that launches aircraft carriers which then launch planes, it's flawless

>>34497847
It takes more energy to push air down to keep it going.

>>34497964
This is the superior option.

>>34497849
kek

>>34500609
Reduce power to the engines and have gravity pull it down

>>34498199
Mad Max: Fury Sky

>>34497847
Not Project Insight master race.

>>34498224
To be fair, the Insight carriers are supposed to hang around at suborbital altitudes and shoot terrs all day, where the thrust will have minimal effect.

>>34498213
better not fuck up the landing then

Would it be part of the Navy or Air Force?

>>34497964
I still haven't beaten that mission in Ace Combat 6...

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>>34508310
Unless you're trying to beat it on Ace of Aces mode, there's no excuse. Ace Combat is easy as hell once you know how up and down works.

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>>34502257
Heart attacks

>>34502257
literally cannot fly.

>>34505535
Clankers? fucking seppies.

>>34508458
Seppies?

>>34500773
Ill take my German Mechs instead, thanks.

What if we make a Zeppelin that floats above the range of most weapons, and just dropped bombs/ fired shells from there?

is pollution an issue in the avengers universe?

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>>34499406
how about an airship that's not shit

>>34502302
I hope you realize that gun pod pivots all the way forward under the main body. It moves almost 90 degrees down BEFORE even taking into account the traverse of the turret itself.

>>34508871
Is weak to gravity weapons, next!

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>>34502257
>>34502302
pew pew

>>34498108
Every working nuclear reactor is critical. The start of the chain reaction is called going critical.

>>34500698
At this point you might as well just use drones.

>>34497847
>Find a flaw.
It's shit.

>Find a flaw
If you have to waste energy towards putting some thousand tons of bullshit up to carry some hundred tons of military equipment, isn't easier to just keep these hundred tons of planes up 24/7 and save fuel?

>>34502257
Needs more dakka

>>34500773
I remember reading that book, shit sounded amazing, amazing and horrifying.

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>>34511965
Wait, I might be thinking of something else.

Anyone else know what the name of that book where there are two legged mechs and bio-engineered airships made from organic matter, with small drone like things (also organic) which hover around it to repair damages and the like?
It's told in a way where they switch between the perspective of the guy with the mech and another person on the airship.

I can't for the life of me remember what it was called and it's going to bother me forever now considering the setting.

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Any ex-navyfags in the thread that could theorise as to what daily life aboard an interplanetary destroyer might be like? I imagine it mostly involves scaring away space Somalians from merchant vessels.

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>>34511999
Leviathan.

>>34512058
Thanks hun.
I have to get back to that, the aesthetic in it is something I have never seen replicated, though that might just be because I don't read all that many books.

>>34498267

Seriously. Working in aviation, the concept of the helicarrier is offensive. That downdraft would be like the most ferociously devastating hurricane pointed directly at anything beneath it. It would level buildings. It would have enough thrust output to crush the Empire State under its own weight.

It would cause typhoons. It would cause tidal wave bigger than the world had ever seen. Forests would be leveled. People wouldn't be able to breathe if caught under it.

It would be a flying cataclysm.

>>34508702
star wars clone wars joke.

>>34505621
Goliath got ate by smallcraft-mechs tho

>>34500776
>fabric
>armored
fucking explain

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>>34512058
>>34500773
>>34505535
daily reminder that the Ottoman Empire did nothing wrong and that Scott Westerfield actually fabricated a fanfic where the United Kingdom dindu nuffin.

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>>34512048
Depends mostly on how easy it is for everyone to gain access to spaceships.

If we're talking about a future where only large governments and megacorps can really afford to operate ships, then it'll be pretty boring. Escort missions, patrols of colonial space/territories, maybe the occasional stop-and-search of civvie ships for possible contraband.

If we're talking about a future where owning a spaceship (not necessarily interplanetary-capable) is the equivalent of owning a private airplane, then yeah, I can see a lot more action involving skirmishes between colonists and some pirating action.

In the latter case, it'd be a lot more tense and paranoia inducing because of how easy it is to wreck a spaceship that doesn't have Star Trek-tier magical energy shields. All it takes is a small projectile going at a fraction of a percentage of lightspeed to ruin your day.

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>>34514186
I love Keith Thompson. One of the few western mecha artists who don't just rip off Aaron Beck.

>>34508310
>He hasn't flown out in the superior F-15 and played chicken with Estovokia's Flying Carrier only to unload every missile and round into the cockpit he has and watch that fucker sink into the ocean.

My sweet summer child...

>>34501822
Helium is a finite and much more precious resource than fossils fuels on this planet anon.

It is also half as effective at boyancy as hydrogen.

>>34515072
>not getting to the battle group last with an A-10 and then wasting every ship in 25 seconds with FAEBs

>>34512277
....this makes me like it more.

>build in orbit and drop down into atmosphere
>literally fly over an entire country and kill them with the air flow and pressure.

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find a flaw. go ahead ill wait

>>34497847
Well if it's the movie one, it has jack shit for point defense.

>>34511999
>>34511999
Yes leviathan. That's what my pic was from. I also mentioned it a fair few posts up

>>34500232
>acecombat7.jpeg

>>34508310
If you want to beat the mission in the most unrealistic way possible fly the A-10 with fuel bombs as the special. You can basically one hit the escort crusiers.

>>34516457
Exposed thighs are too lewd for the battlefield and also mean that her legs and pelvis have to support a good part of that massive bulk in addition to lifting those heavy legs. Those shoes are battle heels on crack and look like they'd be shit to walk in on basically everything. Also her head is exposed to chucklefuck infantry and shrapnel. It could probably have more dakka if the suit wasn't so stylized. Then of course there's the
>Woman in the battlefield
Joke to be made. That said, despite the fact that she's probably a double amputee I'd still hit it, she's basically perfect.

>>34509611
>this guy knows his shit.
http://www.ntanet.net/nuclear_reactor_fission_and_criticality.html

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>>34508310
>he hasn't used the A-10 and fuel air bombs to basically two shot every member of its squadron

They're so fuckhuge air-to-ground weapons are effective, plus nucking striggion team is hilarious

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>>34498279
>hydrogen

>>34517262
>the only thing this anon knows about hydrogen is from the Hindenburg.

lmao

>>34500609
What do you think the refueling probe is for?

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>>34497847
>Radar Cross Section

The radar cross section and parabolic effect from all of the apertures will allow any radar within range to pick it up and identify it easily and immediately. In addition, since it's flying at altitude, the detection range goes from about 30nm to 300nm from an opposing seaborne vesself IF it's using modern detection equipment. Land base sites might detect actively out to 1000nm, and passively up to 2000nm.

>Aircraft

It should be using missiles. CIWS systems are too hit or miss for defense, and heavy at that. Aircraft used to add range and targeting assurance-but missile AI and targeting software has reached a point where there are few real reasons left to field aircraft in many scenarios. Missiles are become significantly faster at 5+ mach. Missiles are cheaper than each aircraft and it's load of missiles. Weight considerations given, more missiles could be loaded with less aircraft. Less aircraft means an air department doesn't have to be put on board. This means that food for hundreds of additional people as well as support services are nixed. Supply is far easier with missileers than aircraft support and flight services. Range in missiles is steadily going up-and tomahawk equivalents mean that aircraft are losing the range advantage.

>>34512048
Every day brother

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>>34498230
Okay, fine, we could stick a plane in a plane. it might look like an unusually large supersonic bomber, or maybe more like a common plane on a plane setup, like a shuttle carrier. If you like to envision yourself having unlimited resources, then, sure, you can bomb while you bomb.

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http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/358153.pdf

If anyone is interested. No refueling needed. There's a soviet version that uses NO gases whatsoever, and is nuclear powered heavier than air ship. No PDF's for it though

>>34512277

Well, I'm convinced. Who wants to start a go fund me page?

Also checked.

Falling

>>34516777
CHECKED
Also best method

>>34497847
Drop one small bomb on two of the rotors.

GG no re

>>34497847
energy requirements for loitering. Just keeping one in the air is expensive.

>>34502257
The belly gun shifts the weight distribution making it harder to stabilize.

>>34516457
Exposed piping.

Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to just have a massive heli-gunship than a carrier?