Middle East Wars General

Interesting videos from past month or so.

>Syria War 2017 - Fighting between SAA and rebels in Daraa intensifies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EawoCb-C_hg

>Battles for Syria June 30 th 2017 Eastern Damascus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXrIB3w1bes

>Syria War 2017 - Battle for Raqqa: Kurdish YPG & SDF Forces in Urban Fighting And Firefights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK8j5Uwg9Pw

>Syria War 2017 - POV GoPro Of Turkish Backed Syrian Rebels Fighting Against ISIS In Northern Syria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7ted8cfSWE

>8 minutes in the life of the Syrian army in Jobar and Ein Tarma (Eastern Ghouta).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py3ttyAiHBo

>ISIS 34 min propaganda footage.
https://videos.files.wordpress.com/yeDMZCLg/the-islamic-state-22one-of-the-two-goods-wilacc84yat-nicc84nawacc8422_dvd.mp4

>Russian battleships & submarine fire 6 cruise missiles on ISIS targets in Syria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh-ALjytWtA

>Syrian Army' using UR-77 in al-Qaboun operation | May 2017 | Damascus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AShkM3FAM0o

>Tour Of Latakia Airbase Pt 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZEqC6gax3M

>Tour of Latakia Airbase Pt 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDM2Vl0Qp8o

>Tour of Ruins of Aleppo with Military Police
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXwfbFcKPow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdYqFZGqmHw

>On the frontlines with "Liwa al-Quds" | June 16th 2017 | Hama province
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsBI-D2BNAc

>Footage of Military action in area of Al Talila
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVwWRAht7Qo

>>34488768
will iraqs shia militias just roll into syria when they are done with iraq?

>>34488991
The Tehran aligned ones will

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Recently read pic related. What's a good equivalent for Afghaniland?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqwXRCt9JKU

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>Debka in charge of not blatantly shilling for the FSA

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Daily reminder that a victory for Assad is a victory for freedom

Secularspeed, Assad!

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why do most people use solid colored balaclavas instead of camouflaged versions?

>>34489684
there will be never peace with ASSad. but it looks like the western democrats wont kill him. russian regime holds its hands over its puppet. maybe there will be elections followed by assassination attack against ASSad.

>>34488768
The SAA's next move should be to take East Hama from ISIS. It shouldn't be difficult considering they just had the Tiger forces there.

>>34489011
British Invasion of Afghanistan

>>34489769
And what would killing Assad do for you? Why do you think having a bunch of jihadists in charge is better?

So it looks like the purpose of US presence in southern Syria is sending message to Assad that if he'll break the de facto truce they will fuck him up. That raises a question what's the long term goal here. Could it be a way to force him into a political solution? What are your thougts /k/?

>>34488768
So will the Iraqis finally close those ISIS pockets now that Mosul is declared won.

My autism is getting super annoyed at them.

>>34490366
>And what would killing Assad do for you? Why do you think having a bunch of jihadists in charge is better?
you doing it wrong, ivan

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoQiMX795yg

>>34491941
>ivan
besides just deflecting the question, how about you provide your 'vision' of a stable conclusion to this mess

>>34488768
>DAMASCUS, SYRIA (8:30 P.M.) – On Sunday, ISIS insurgents launched a localised counter-attack in the eastern countryside of Homs, targeting the newly liberated Al-Mashirfah hill that overlooks the long-standing government fortification of Jubb Al-Jarrah.

>Preluded by a succesful suicide bombing, an elite ISIS Inghimasi unit assaulted the government-held hilltop which is located some 60 kilometers east of the provincial capital.

>As fierce firefights continued for several hours, the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) finally withdrew from the strategic point on Sunday afternoon. Amaq Agency claimed 20 SAA soldiers were killed following the attack, primarily due to the initial car bombing.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/20-syrian-soldiers-killed-suicide-attack-isis-retakes-important-hill-central-syria/

>>34492233
>implying 'vatnik' posting americans are capable of critical thought

>>34492689
poor bait m8

Well, looks like the show in Mosul is more or less over but for a handful of separate, isolated single ISIS fighters making a last stand. But it's been a while, hasn't it? 2 or 3 months since the first breaches were attempted? Judging by what news I have seen so far, Iraqi Army forces are talking and strutting like they took the whole city singlehanded. Does anyone happen to know what other forces are still in the area? Peshmerga, militias, US SF? Have any of the coalition forces shown up lately or has all the air support been US?

>>34489011
That was a good book.

>>34492887
Peshmerga did not participate in the battle for the city itself. No idea about any US SF in the city.

>>34491003
There is no long term goal. We have backed ourselves into a corner that we can't get out of. That's why we're holding Al-Tanf with Syrian rebels, not with Iraqi forces. We know that ultimately the Iraqis are more loyal to Iran than to us. We know that the Kurds have no chance of holding any territory once they lose our protection. We know that the gambles we made in supporting the Syrian opposition opened the door to Iranian influence in Iraq and Syria. We know we lost, but for whatever dumb as fuck reason we're out to fight a battle that we can't win.

>>34493154

Nice to see the ol' scoped moisty nugget still gets to taste blood.

>>34493154
If I were a US SOF guy operating in Iraq or Syria, would it be feasible for me to bring home some guns for civilian use?

>>34493017
Its ok to "loose" this battle. Whats the advantage for the US here anyway?
The big loosers are the sunni. If they didn't go full "ALLAH AKBAR", they may had a chance. But they are too dumb.
"WOW LETS ENFORCE THE SHARIA AND SAY WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO ONCE WE KILL ASSAD EVEN THOUGH THE WAR ISNT OVER. "
Even CNN couldn't paint them as the "good guys".
Even the Kurd are acting like lefties for obvious reasons despiste the fact that on certain point they are more conservativ than ISIS.

>>34493300
>>34493300
>Even the Kurd are acting like lefties for obvious reasons despiste the fact that on certain point they are more conservativ than ISIS.>>
such as?

>>34493300
What the fuck have you been smoking? It's a huge loss for us considering that we've spent trillions of dollars in Iraq and took thousands of casualties while we were there, and now we've basically handed the country over to the Iranians on a silver platter. Couple that with the fact that Syria is basically Iran and Russia's bitch, and the fact that Lebanon, Jordan, and Turkey have signed on as well, and we have a pretty big fucking problem. The Arabian Peninsula has already started destabilizing, and the Egyptians will likely take the side of the Russians. What you're looking at is a significant reduction of US influence in that region.

>>34493423
excision
honor crimes
>>34493647
I'm talking about syria. You fucked up Irak the moment you gave it to chiites. I have no idea how your military officers/diplomatic staff were so stupid to do such a move. Its like they didn't know anything about islam.

>>34493738
They fucked up Iraq the moment they unlawfully invaded the country and subsequently destroyed any sense of national cohesion.
Not saying Saddam was a cool guy, or that he wasn't a somewhat destabilizing factor with his warmongering, but at the very least he functioned as a check on Iran and ironically also his own populace.

>>34493738
after having witnessed the trainwreck that is the US foreign policy regarding the ME for the past 3 decades, do you really think there have been guys in charge that saw the bigger picture? Doing nothing would have been more beneficial to US hegemony in the ME.

>>34493738
You clearly have no understanding of how the Iraq War ended or the government that we installed. I could lay the whole thing out for you, but considering your grammar, spelling, and general lack of subject knowledge you probably wouldn't understand it anyway.

>>34493794
I agree.
>>34493826
Good arguments.

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>>34492887
Siege was 9 or so months. And the city is largely trashed.

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>>34494953
lets be honest it didnt look much better before the battle

>>34488991
Assad is a Shia, sort of.

>>34492887
The various militias including Kurds got told to chill out and hold the areas around the city, US/Iraqi govs wanted to reduce the chances of some of them going full durka and doing dumb shit in public with prisoners/civilians after a few incidents in the past.

US SF have been doing plenty of work as 'advisors' although you can be sure some of them have been getting their hands plenty dirty as needed too. There's probably been a bit of British SAS activity as well, but on a pretty small scale compared to US involvement.

Air support I'd say has probably been +95% US, I think the RAF are still helping a bit but with relatively few aircraft involved (and quite long flight times from Cyprus) it's more of a rolling live-fire training program for them, with the US really providing the bulk of needed flights on a day to day basis.

>>34489684
Secularists are the biggest retards

>>34497659
He's actually an alawite

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>>34498049
Yes, and Alawites are on the shia side.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alawites

IS is wahabbis (which the Sauds also are) and it is on the sunni side.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

>>34498348
and before i forget: http://syria.liveuamap.com

>>34497479
Besides the usual repression and mismanagement by IS, Mosul was at least in some capacity functional. But nearly all basic services and infrastructure were blown to shit to cripple the ability for IS to hunker in during this battle. There is a fuckton of rebuilding to be done, especially in the western side of the river. It's worth nothing that the eastern side of the city came out relatively unscathed in the initial advances by the ISF and was reportedly in working condition when they were laying siege to the IS pocket on the other side.

I wonder if Ramadi and Fallujah are at least running properly by now.

>Mosul is nearly wrapping up.

Job's not done though. They still need to mop up the Hawija pocket, positions up the river from Haditha and the deserts.

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>>34493387
Mandic, brother can you bring me up to speed with what all happened over the past month ? I was away and the last thread 404ed mid way.

>>34499051
>not a turk rape baby, but
Raqqa siege
Cease fire in Daraa
Iranian backed militias grabbed a bunch of territory in the south
IS retreated mostly from northwest, SAA pulled off a huge land grab
Deir Ez-Zor still in SAA hands
Israel fired a few rounds at SAA near the border

Thats about it, been pretty quiet as of late

>>34499197
Thanks ))

Do you have any images from these gains ?? )) Not maps but like photos from the front.

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Rusafa and archaeological citadel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0Xd5GeBzdE

>>34498348
>>34497933
Read a long interesting article that is alluding me right now, but in most classical senses alawites are not Muslims. They only "became" Muslims because the Shia in Lebanon worked out a deal with Hafez to help them out, so they sort of rewrote the books and said you Muslims now for military support. Back in the 70s Shia and Sunni alike would talk trash to alawites and disregard them as even being Muslim at all.

Conference for the reconstruction of Syria with participation of around 1,000 representatives from Chinese companies

https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/884375800631263233

>>34499328
I'd really love it if that dumb faggot Ivan didn't ruin historical pictures by trying to absolutely whore himself and his Twitter account pasting watermarks over photos he just lifts from Facebook. That alone makes me hate the guy. People who put watermarks on war/historical photos, fuck you.

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SAA gains today.

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>>34499873

>>34499821
Alawites are NOT Muslims, neither are Shia for that matter.

>>34499895
>Neither are Shia
Lol if you wanna go that far. Though I feel like Shia can still get away with being Muslim, Alawites are a farther stretch.

where is SAA going to advance next?

>>34500047
Jerusalem

>>34499044
And here we will run into the same problem yet again. The Iraqi government will be slow and unable to provide basic services which will allow local powers to step in and be viewed as the legitimate government. We've been having this same exact problem since Afghanistan.

>>34500076
Am I an bad person for kinda hoping war continues in the region? I want to base my career in it and it's kind of necessary...

>>34500195

Not to worry. A lot of the countries in the middle east are dancing on the blade edge. Not just the current churners. There is a lot of wealth and power placed in the hands of a few kings and their extended families. A few deaths in the wrong courts and there be dozens of ambitious neighbors and opposition forces ready to 'help out with the governing'. I don't think middle east war is going to fall out of favor as a career path any time soon.

According to Sohr, a day after the new ceasefire started, SAA forces have been attacking rebel forces in the southern Sweida province. There is also fighting going on in several other provinces.

>>34500076
There is no doubt that there are major complications expected in Mosul. It's been a longtime Sunni Islamist stronghold. Getting shit done there is expected to be messy.

>>34500989

The west side of Mosul is a sunni stronghold. If I understand correctly the east side has had a lot shias.

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>>34501230
that's why they didn't have to go full dresden on the east side

>>34489722
Because there's no use in camouflage when rounding up civilians for mandatory torture and allah praising.

>>34501230
Would they not have just left once ISIS came to power? Cause I can obviously imagine ISIS abusing them so I don't see why they'd stay these 3 years. You sure you don't mean Christians?

ISIS still abused them, just a little less than Shias...

>>34501401

Unless my memory totally fucks me, the ISIS allowed shias to be around as such. Christians were forced to pay steep fees or have their homes and belongings confiscated. Either way the religious polices went around looking for slightly too short dresses and other threats to the world as they knew it, and enforcing whippings and executions galore. However there were very few shias volunteering for fighting. Afaik.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-jBKJF9TTg

>>34490366
because I'd rather have jihadists in charge than Assad

At least they're pro-west unlike that creepy slimly little cretin that's in charge now

>>34501845
Pro Turkey/Saudi... I wouldn't say many of them are overly pro "west" ie Europe/America.

>>34493647
Russia is not really a regional player, Egypt has and will continue to hold tight relations with Saudi led GCC nations. The peninsula is not breaking down and the Syria situation can and being salvaged

>>34493826
Go on

>>34498348
>muh wahabeez

opinion discarded

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>>34501845
>Jihadists
>Pro-west
You forgot about Afghanistan, didnt you?
And I also suppose that when we pull out of Afghanistan, and it falls AGAIN to the Taliban, then you'll forget about Vietnam as well, right?

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>>34499895
Neither are whites but that doesn't stop you and the rest of the balkans from larping, you poor victim of stockholm syndrome.

>>34504455

Left side guy has belts for his SAW (I think it is.). But what's the banana mags for? Do they fit the SAW as well?

>>34501845
wew didn't know isis posts in this thread

>>34504539
For anyone else?
He's probably the unit's mule.

any good twitter accounts to follow for Yemen?

>>34504507
well, some of them are straight up Turkic, Ottomans spill their seed and all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-2T7x_BIaM

Those suicides

Perhaps I am very slow in recognizing this, but the Syrian war, and especially this latter day desert phase reminds me of the WWII pacific campaign complete with constant sieges, the oasis hopping. Tanks filling in the role of battleships (land), technicals filling in for cruisers and destroyers, airpower starting to fuck the existing position warfare.

>>34499197
I suppose the whole war in Iraq will wrap up by the end of the year? That just leaves Syria, which could last as long as Assad and the Rebels can both get support to fight on. I haven't heard any reasonable ideas for either a triumph of one side in Syria, or a reconciliation.

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>>34506310
>war in Iraq will wrap up

This conflict has oscillated between hot and cold for the US since desert storm, and you could argue since the iran iraq war. I dont think this shit is going to be over any time soon. Particularly if the HURRRR IRAN AXIS OF DURRRR EVIL crowed gets in power again. Iraq is trapped in the "not quite sunni but not fully shia" nether region of the mid east. Its basically just going to be a battleground until the localized cold war between saudi and iran ends in a peak oil crisis that will inevitably spark some other kind of war.

>>34506559
>Peak oil

Shale oil reserved in the US pushed it back by decades. If there is a peak oil, it'll more likely be a domestic problem within the Mideast. Either way, the US will have a good market to peddle their military hardware to.

how the fuck has this war taken so long? You have the Syrian govt with full unabashed support of Iran and its proxies as well as the Russian govt. facing off against a bunch of fuckheads who just get guns and the like from Murrifats and the Arabs

>>34507508
exactly, saa and russia's army are probably top 2 militarizes on earth, how are they losing?

once you realize israel is ISIS it comes clear

>>34492319
Bump

>>34507508
Russian support may have been vital, but a couple dozen assorted aircraft plus a few hundred troops on the ground spending much of their time herding the goat fuckers isn't enough to buy a quick win, not when so little of the SAA remianed by the time they got that support. Irans help is pretty much just an unending stream of meatshields, people talk about how the allies zerged Germany in the 40s, well albeit on a lesser scale Iran is zerging in Syria, they're sending huge numbers on paper but the vast bulk are poor country folk with no military training, sure bodies are useful for throwing into the meat grinders, but without quality you can't do anything to avoid those ongoing slow meat grinder battles either.

As for a bunch of fuckheads just getting guns, by far the most valuable arms supplied to Syria have been the huge volumes ATGM poured into the country, they effectively nullified the armor and mechanisation advantage the SAA should have had and gave IS/totallynotextremistgloriousfreedomfighters simple and effective man portable tools to strike at SAA units from long range with ease. If the US and various other countries hadn't dumped so many ATGM into the war years ago SAA would have had a considerably easier time of it. Sure it'd still have been a drawn out messy affair, but being able to utilise all those T72 and BMPs without them getting btfo around every other corner would have been a big chunk of extra firepower.

>>34507508
This is also a war of attrition, big money is involved, so it will take time.

>>34508442
it seems to me like the Russian strategy is just to bomb the shit out of people but that could be zionist propaganda

>>34508495
Well, sure they are. So is the US. That's how you support your side if you don't want to send in competent ground troops.

>>34506857
Damn....

Sounds like 'syrian rebels' have snagged a SyAF plane down from the sky.

Sohr has now also 'confirmed' that ISIS boss Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is dead. Iranian news and Russian TASS has also done it earlier today. You'll need a spreadsheet to keep track of how many times he has been declared dead before, so personally I am waiting for video of his corpse being nailed to a pig and half wrapped in an American flag before I'll buy it. But those news services should know better than printing unfounded rumors of him by now.

>>34510188
isn't it different though? Multiple news agencies have reported it, the alleged airstrike that achieved it is months back, and there were some rumours about iraqis finding ISIS papers that confirmed it yesterday/today

>>34493017
The US doesn't have long term strategy in Syria and Iraq, perhaps aside from supporting the Kurds. Should Trump commit to their support, no one could challenge them really.

US has been acting without a purpose for years.
Handing over Iraq to pro Iranians was what opened Iraq to Iran. And it wasn't the US that started the Syrian civil war.

Different factions in the US were working for different solutions and nothing got done. Obama was pushing for an Iran centrist solution, he thought that he could ally with Iran by giving them everything they wanted. Iran could definitely be a more reliable ally than the Arabs, but it was never going to work.
Other factions were working to support the rebels in Syria, but it was half hearten at best and they never committed significant resources.

The only reason to linger at Al Tanf is to stall the Iranians and their militias, and that only makes sense if you are 100% committed to back the Kurds. Otherwise the stall achieves nothing.
But I honestly don't believe the US has as much strategy behind their actions.

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>>34507494

Peak oil may never happen. Renewable energy is reaching price parity with traditional energy sources, and electric/hybrid vehicles are reducing pressure for gasoline. Natural gas is dirt cheap and could serve as a stopgap while the world transitions to renewable energy sources.

>>34510296

The possibility of him being dead is entirely plausible. But it is a little odd that no new 'official' leader has stepped into the limelight. Even if you want to keep the real leader secret, it's usually good marketing to tell your own people that someone are in charge.

>>34493647
Obama fucked relations with Egypt, but that was unrelated to the events in Syria.
Obama backed the protests and the MB when they came to power. He has also went against the counter revolution by the military and went as far as to suspend signed military contracts and delay supplying parts.
Trump has undone some of that, but the basic trust is now gone.

>>34493826
He is correct though.
The US even worked to neutralize the Sunnis from any kind of position of power checking the Shia government.

>>34507508
1. Early in the civil war a large chunk of the SAA defected to the rebels, or just ran away.
2. Early SAA was a conscript army, even those who stayed didn't have too much motivation to fight for Assad, aside from specific elite or Shia/Alawite units, who were taking the brunt.
3. Iranian support rolled in slowly. it took a couple of years for Hezballah to start operating en mass in Syria, and by then the SAA was nearly gone altogether.
3. The popularity of the rebellion, it used to be a lot more popular before it got slowly hijacked by Jihadists.
4. As I said, Iranian support rolled in slowly, even after Hezbollah was sent in it took more years for Iran to start sending tens of thousands of fighters into Syria.
5. Russia only started sending troops and planes to fight in Syria pretty late in the war in 2015.
6. By this point there were many foreign fighters fighting along the rebels and especially the Jihadists and ISIS.
7. Taking cities and fortified villages takes a lot of time.

>>34510434
Not to mention artificial crude oil has been getting worked on for like decades. And its current price of like 80 to 90 dollars put a hard cap on how much oil can actuallu go up. Since right now those companies want to drop the price to be more competitive with natual oil companies to like 60 or 70 bucks and lower.

>>34509812
What type of plane?

>>34510510
>7. Taking cities and fortified villages takes a lot of time.

Encircle them and wait.
That's something more easily done with conscripts and militias than sending them to liberate the place and hoping for them not to screw it up.

>>34511070
corruption and not being allowed to starve people out anymore prevents that

>>34511077
This. Good old starvation tactics would have ended this war 3 years ago.

>>34511077
>not being allowed to starve people out anymore prevents that

That's the worst part, probably.
It's still perfectly ok to just shell cities into rubbles.
But you cannot just let a bunch of diehard starve to death because they won't surrender.

>>34511077
That's impossible to do, where would all the people go? That is the civilians?
Rebels in various pockets in Rif Damascus were encircled. Many people were starving. But it's not the end all and be all. The militants are better fed than the civilians as they control the food flow.
SAA is corrupted, who are you going to use for this? SAA troops? Most of whom are not fighting for Assad because for idiological reasons, but because he pays well and provides stability (that's aside from the units you usually hear about on operations)?
Local warlords? The epitome of corruptions?
Or Shia mercs from Afghanistan/Pakistan/Iraq/Iraq who have a fair share of corrupted individuals?

Add tunnels on top, supporting civilians and so on, and you've got a hell of a job.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/starvation-reported-at-palestinian-camp-in-syria/2014/01/14/9ff8105c-7d66-11e3-97d3-b9925ce2c57b_story.html?utm_term=.a146b4358497

https://www.unrwa.org/crisis-in-yarmouk

>>34511160
>That's impossible to do, where would all the people go? That is the civilians?
If they aren't evacuating when told to do so, they are at best supporting the rebels and at worst rebels themselves.

Start the shelling, Ivan.

>>34511047

There's a whole bunch of newsplaces refering to the story, first posted by AFP. I found a reference to the rebels being the Ahmad al-Abdo Forces, but I can't tell if the AFP pic is an actual shot or just an illustration.

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>>34511175
or they're human shields.

>>34511175

If the local fanatics say that anyone putting a foot across the city limits will be beheaded starting with the toes, and they are watching every inch of said limits, are you willing to test their words with your entire family in tow? If they say they will kill anyone else in the city who have ever talked with you, are you ready to scram? Cruelty is not exactly a new invention, tough guy. Nor is the concept of human shields.

>>34511160
These sieges are also hardly sieges , like you said. Half cause of utter corruption, half cause they actually cooperate and aren't truly sieged. Like in Douma, a rebel entrepreneur of sorts has essentially trade deals set up with the government. Profits trump hatred apparently.

>>34511223
If the city is full of potential insurgents, are you really going to sacrifice your men to save them from confirmed insurgents, while an artillery barrage could help God choose his own ?

>>34511556

Depends. Is my country big and strong to shrug off international reactions? Will the slaughter of civilians feed my regional opposition? Everything has a price.

>>34503211
that was somewhat operator the shooting while on the motorcycle..

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>>34497933
Nice opinion jihadibro
Thumbsdown to detonate explosive

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>>34511206
>the truth about ruthless civilians who tried to leave

>>34512087
Also,
>It's time we heard Aleppo rebels shot

>>34499895
And who gave you authority to decide that?

>>34512333
Allah did you infidel!

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MG3 and... a Bren

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>>34506559
I suppose I'm just underinformed on why the Iranians and Saudis hate each other. Is it cause they both have lots of oil, are big countries, and are almost right next to each other?

>>34512289

I think there are going to be a lot of Syrian rebels who will be allowed to slide off the hook even after combat participation, provided they disarm sufficiently. If Assad is going to execute everyone who has lifted arms against him he'll be left with more empty land and unnamed graves than supporters.

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Religious reasons too, but when it boils down to it it's two wealthy regional powers fighting over influence. Just like things have always been since forever.

>>34512818
I'd have an impossible time ever trusting the government again. Your name is on a list, I'd feel uneasy 24/7. They could just flip flop and come pick you up and take you away to torture death.

>>34512960
For sure a bunch will likely leave the country, but if their choice is kneel in front of the trench, or take the deal and maybe they come for you again some time later, I'm guessing they'll take the deal.

>>34512745
>and... a Bren
>/k/ in charge of knowing shit about firearms
wew
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_67_machine_gun

>>34504539

The M249 can feed from STANAGs.

>>34508180
>Raqqa is Being Slaughtered Silently: The rumours of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's death is not true, according to our sources inside IS.

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>>34513105
they where only 5-6 months in syria.

>>34512960

Who ever trusts their government? Why should anyone? It's not like they ever trusts us, whatever country we might live in. The relation between government and people will always be nothing more than a temporary cessation of hostilities. And that is how it should be. Never start trusting either of the bastards.

>>34513136
Hence dying like scrubs. Honestly without at least some kind of prior training and even with, id be spooked to go to Syria. Sure you have US SOF potentially nearby , but they aren't gonna bail you out, and sure maybe you have air support but it isn't omnipresent.

ISIS' elite manpower has been gutted, but the chances you could be facing some cut throat 4+ year constant combat veteran Chechen or someone like that is daunting. At its peak ISIS had some very competent men.

>>34513360
And like I've said before in these threads, at least a year ago, ISIS reminded me of the 12th SS division or something similar. Hoards of young pups full of headstrong zeal, led and commanded by cut throat multiple year veterans.

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>>34488768
Haven't checked on the conflict in a while, how are the Assyrians doing? Not the cucks fighting for the Kurds (who will stab them in the back and drive them from their homes at the first opportunity), but the independent/Assad/Iraq-aligned guys? There's almost nothing about them in western media.

Isn't Mosul in their homeland region?

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>>34493647
Thank God.

Maybe then my government will stop using my tax dollars to kill Christians/arm people who kill Christians.

>>34513623
>Muh collective faith
You're probably trolling anyway, but you're just as bad as the Muslims.

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>>34513654
Do you see MENA Christians carrying out suicide attacks, or running down helpless Frenchmen with trucks?

No, you fucking don't. Instead, you see them being decapitated, bombed, and abused by Muslims just like everyone else who has the misfortune of sharing a country with mudslimes.

You may not like religious people but don't you fucking dare compare Christians, or really anyone for that matter, to Muslims. There is not a single religious group on earth that carries out violence comparable to that of the Muslims.

Of course, Christians aren't paid by the most powerful country in the world to overthrow governments that protect religious minorities. Funny how that works out.

>>34513706
It's funny how much you think you have in common with them but you have literally nothing other than an ideology that you can't even read their version of. But why am I arguing with a troll. I'll stop.

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>>34513724
I'm Orthodox nigga. So I'm theologically identical to a good chunk of them.

Regardless, they're Christians just like me whether or not we agree 100% theologically. I don't want the money I'm forced to pay the government to go to people who kill and persecute them.

>>34507508
Syria/Iran are incompetent no matter how much /k/ shills them. Would have collapsed long ago without Russia

>>34513706
Well, I think a Syrian christian did suicide with a plane against a French ship in 1958.

>>34513933
wasn't that guy a baathist?

>>34513763
>Jesus on a confederate flag
why are americans so retarded

>>34514122
Revisionist autists and trolls who go along with it.

>>34512787
wiki related:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelver

>>34513600
Probably moping around somewhere irrelevant.
SAA Assyrians don't actually do much.

Most of the Assyrians fighting in Syria are with the SDF. Not surprising as most Assyrians live next to the Kurds in the North east.

>>34514540
>he leans away from the tea cup to breath in

>>34514890
when abdul purposely aims for your drone

>>34512960
>They could just flip flop and come pick you up and take you away to torture death.
You mean they would do something, that was one of the reasons why the conflict got going from the start? It is not like they didnt so the exact same thing before the war.

>>34516207
Governments like that don't change.

>>34515868
>OVER THE TOP YOU SCAAAAAWOA COVER COVER COVER!!!!#!#@!

Popping in to bump the thread. Step reporting a few hours ago that 8 2nd coastal division fighters were killed in Latakia when their vehicle was hit by a SAA Kornet ATGM. What goes around comes around as both 1st and 2nd coastal are notorious for their TOW strikes on the SAA. 2nd responded with artillery.

Also I didn't read if it was mentioned but it should have as a Russian service member was killed today on the Hama front by rebel artillery fire claimed by Russian MOD.

With all the shit is happening in the southern Syrian desert , eastern Homs/Hama, Jobar and Raqqa we shouldn't forgot all fronts connected to Idlib are rip for fighting sooner or later. Rumor is HTS recruiting for a new offensive and I wouldn't count the SAA out of a offensive of their own.

>>34515868
I dont get it, what happened here ?

>>34515195
>abdul
>aims

>>34517728
Didn't look like it was brewing up already, so maybe the vehicle to left took a ATGM hit and kaboomed, or air/arty happened to get it at just that moment.

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>Kavkaz constructions

http://webmshare.com/R3B4q

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https://www.channel4.com/news/on-the-frontline-as-tiger-forces-battle-is

>>34519809
What was the artillary piece and transport car in the first fire mission shown? I am too used to orc engineering to tell between a kitbash built off a transport truck, a backhoe and an artillary gun bolted on top, from a purpose built self motorized wheeled artillary piece.

>>34513105
Grodt was one of the guys from Occupy. He got hitched there and had a daughter.
The amount of training is pathetic, one month in total, and off to the front lines.

>>34513037
>Type 67 uses the DP trigger mechanism, the quick-change barrel of the SG-43, a gas regulator similar to the RPD, the ZB vz. 30 bolt mechanism, and a modified Maxim-type feed mechanism.
Neat.

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>>34519856

Self-propelled M-46 130mm.

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>>34517728
nerve gas

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>>34521075
Would 10 year old westerners out-organize adult arabs?

>>34493294
Not legally.

>>34515868
Sauce for the video? Need that danger close sound

>>34521075
Pretty nuts the rebels held up there have kept Jobar as such a thorn in Damascus' side.

SAA guys getting popped on camera at 2:55 and 4:00 and a bunch others drop like flies off camera.

There was a IS suicide bomber attack in Idlib earlier at a HTS gathering killing about 12 including one French foreign fighter. This was a response to an HTS effort to cleanse Idlib of IS sleeper cells. The Al Qaeda vs IS war is one of the positive aspects of the Syrian war.

>>34523759
>4:00
>video is 3:52 long

What did he mean by this?

>>34491941
my name is ivan
Answer the question please

>>34493647
i hope jewish babies die in the process of USA weakening its influence in the middle east

>>34530839

May you yourself, for the remainder of your life, receive as much compassion and kindness as you are giving to others. Whether that is a curse or a blessing is up to you.

>>34493154
I wonder what kind of stories that Mosin-Nagant would tell if it could talk.

>>34499895
t. wahabi

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ISIS being thrown from building ,Mosul

https://twitter.com/rafidenchannel/status/885133926557208576

>>34531920
That's pretty savage

>>34531992
Nothing that they haven't been doing to others, whilst on the one hand I don't typically want to condone such behaviour, sometimes you really do reap what you sow.
For the past few years everyone knew if IS captured you the best you could expect was a slow beheading, they should have been well aware that with the roles reversed they would be treated the same.

>>34531920
what a shithole

>>34531920
>Aleppo gets liberated
>exaggerated stories of government massacres of "civilians" immediately break into the muh-leppo commentariat
>Mosul gets liberated
>absolutely no concern for immediate summary executions an ISIS-like methods thereof

really activates me bloody almonds

>>34531920
>https://twitter.com/rafidenchannel/status/885133926557208576

So who are these noble heroes, then? Would be nice to know when some of them inevitably comes to my country seeking asylum and benefits.

>>34533636
these guys wont be coming to your country

>>34533674

Why not? Every third refugee on our doorstep is a Syrian.

>>34534099
these are iraqi soldiers , doubt after they won against ISIS they will be leaving country

>>34488768
is that a fairly current map? damn, isis is fucking pathetic now.

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Daily reminder there can't be peace but upon Assad

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>>34534736

>>34531920
10/10

>>34534736
>so is everyone else's
>bullshit
>so has everyone else/bullshit
>so has everyone else
>as a pegged currency? so has everyone else

>>>/pol/

>>34531920
And this is why you don't do messed up things to your prisoners. When your own people get captured, the favor is returned.

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Syria,Russian forces

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>>34513706
nigga, every time Christian countries have been involved in all out wars with each other its resulted in terrorism (Ireland), Genocide (Nazi germany) and just the general slaughter and cruelty we're seeing in the middle east now. They're not fucking saints.

You wanna know what those degenerate narcos skinning people alive, beheading rivals and killing civilians as we speak believe in? Jesus

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>>34536362
When the judeo-voodoo believe of mexican narcos passes as an totally not cherrypicked example of christian cruelties…

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Russia designs helicopter for fighting terrorists based on Syrian experience

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erdogan

>>34534736
lel syria in general has definitely not dropped the US dollar.

>>34536362
>Mexican narcos are to Christianity as ISIS is to Islam
this is the dumbest thing I've read in a long time

>>34536782
>When the judeo-voodoo believe of mexican narcos passes as an totally not cherrypicked example of christian cruelties…
So? Theres about as many narcos as there are jihadists/isis, would you call them cherry picked?
also nice job ignoring the aforementioned examples faggot. Oh yeah most Rwanadans were christian as well (remember how they killed and raped millions of people with machetes and aids), most of them went to sleep thinking they had a special place in gods kingdom.
>inb4 b-but that doesn't count stop cherrypicking REEEEEEEE
people are horrible regardless of what they believe its totally dictated by situation, not "my Jewish fairy tale ideas are better then yours"

the fact the middle-east is the highlight of bad shit happening right now doesn't mean the people there are particularly worse then anyone else, heck Christian dominated Europe half a century ago makes the current events like like childs play

>>34535905
inspirational

>>34537401
not saying that at all if you could actually read. Just saying that extreme cruelty being something unique to Islam is bullshit, the motives of narcos and ISIS are totally different but they both go to bed at the end of a day of doing horrible shit thinking there "god" has a special place for them.

tl;dr Islam doesn't make you more prone to being violent then any other religion. (environment is the dominating factor)

>>34535905

Syria's jealous that ISIS is getting fucked by someone other than them.

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Anyone know any more details about the regime forces holding the airfield and old military facilities in DaZ?

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>>34537533
Rwandans are judeo-voodoo cultists too. Same like boko haram are voodoo-jihadists. Niggers dont need a religion to kill each other.
You islam apologists dont seem to get that christianity had its fair share of reformations. All the christian nations who waged war against each other are bro-tier today -contrary to shia mia allakackbar wahabism sandniggers who will never stop goring because they dont have a soul. Why do you think shitskins lead every crime statistic in the world? Is it b/c they are not different than whites? Is their situation shit no matter where they live? Are they just good bois getting their life on track? Did they do nothing, just react?
You dont fool me.

>>34537237
>trust no one
>not even yourself

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>>34538034
>no true scottsman, the post

>>34538034
Christian countries have been bro tier for what? 60 years, after fighting the biggest war in human history among themselves (and not including the IRA blowing fellow christians up in Ireland and saying most Africans dont count as Christian becuase "muh argument skills are shit"), in terms of history that's fucking nothing. What a shit stain of an argument. go back to /pol/

>>34538145
Does this change the fact that you cant stop snuffing out wrongthinkers but all christian nations are safe havens? You live today not 60yrs ago and not 300yrs ago.

>>34535009
What about it Mandic ?

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>>34538256
>western Europe
>christian nations

>>34535009
>>34538338
Its an old Soviet/Russian tactic of "uparmoring" a non armored vehicle for the driver. Place 1 to 3 vests on/in/around the cab so that if the cab is shot at, the driver has a chance to survive.

Russian engineering at its finest.

>>34531920

lol

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not an assadist but this is shit

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>>34533274

Not only that, but (((they))) even hired some Jihadists to masquerade as rescue workers, made a bogus movie about their staged exploits and gave themselves an Oscar.

Truly the Chosen People.

>>34488768
I always find it neat seeing the t72s and t55s in action

>>34536362
Oy Vey, good goyim

>>34531920
Poetic.

>>34536362
I wish the holocaust really happened

>>34534123

Ahhhh right. Mosul, not Raqqa. My bad.

>>34538368

Yeah. You are totally not a Christian unless you have been fondled by a priest at least twice.

>>34541526
He is right. Western Europe's value system and ideology is post enlightenment human centric liberalism and capitalism. Not the classic Christianity that coexisted / fought with Islam for 1 thousand years. Modetn Islam on the other hand is a very fanatical reaction against secularism and is based on a version of the early warrior Islam of the dark ages.

>>34541824
And it will eventually suffer a pendulum swing... Will it not? Look at the religious progression of Christianity, surely Islam will eventually reach the same timeline. It's not like there is zero evolution. They had their pan Arabism secularism western bent for a couple decades, they're just going through an angsty Islam phase. Like Iran is slowly turning it's head. Slowly.

Not sure if this fits with this thread. A guy in Egypt with a knife swam from a public beach into a secluded hotel tourist beach, then proceeded to attack six women. Two dead, the rest wounded. Kinda new, isn't it? Not the goal but the specific method. With this in mind, which tourist and military resorts are now vulnerable?

>>34535173
>so is everyone else's
>He thinks the burgerian's central bank isn't privately owned
You know nothing little boy

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>>34510510
>Trump has undone some of that, but the basic trust is now gone.
has Trump even said "Egypt" in the past 7 months?

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ISIS Chechen and Afghan snipers in Raqqa.

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>>34544102

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>>34544109

>>34542064
Maybe. Maybe not.
They may get themselves to the verge of getting exterminated and dissappear as a culture. They may inject enough chaos into the western civilization to collapse it. They may be just left behind as last humans while the west completes a biological transition from homo sapiens to scientific trans humanism. There are many possibilities.

>>34543549
He invited Egypts president to the white house and showed that he views him as a legitimate ruler. And he stopped interfering, at least to the extent he has control over the US intelligence establishment that is currently fighting with him. This is a lot.

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Are we in 2006 again? Or is it just that Anbar never changes?

>>34489381
free wife, nice

>>34544561
War never changes.

I'm sorry I had too, please behead me for excessive cheeziness now.

>>34544627
That's a Russian, not a Muslim.

Pentagon claims that Abu Sayed, leder of ISIS in Afghanistan, was killed in an American air bombing attack earlier this week.

However, Sayed has been reported killed several times before afaik and I bet you the US didn't retrieve any kind of proof from the bomb site. Like a corpse.

Yawn*, on a relatively slow day the biggest news is HTS vs Al Sham fighting in Idlib. Some more advances by SAA on US backed FSA in the southern Syrian desert to create a pocket as well. Minor advances by the SAA near Raqqa.

As to why the SAA seems to be taking their sweet ass time in eastern Hama/Homs it's part of their strategy. Every time they take an area now they try to consolidate their gains/prevent ambushes, no doubt under the supervision of Russian advisers. Al Sukhnah city is their main goal than Deir Ezzor. They also spearhead advances with Afghan Shia similar to what they did in Aleppo to keep SAA casualties down. This is probably the correct plan for eastern Hama/Homs although they will be moving slow as molasses and IS will still ambush them from time to time. They let IS chill there for too long. It's like their "Mosul" for lack of a better term and completely different terrain.

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>>34545868
Also heavy fighting continues in Raqqa between SDF and IS. IS came out with a sniper video, SDF has them corralled in the city.

Picture is IS member in eastern Homs with tape? on his SVD

>>34514540
What is that bullpup behind him?

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>>34547718
VHS-2, a Croatian rifle.

>>34546092
Jihadi Joe Rogan

>>34547799
Thanks man, was expecting famas memes.

>>34547813
its a famas

>4u

>>34544102
>>34544109
>>34544139
Do you have link to the video?

not a military guy but in this kind of urban fight, where you can't use bombs because of civilian, every one would like to be a sniper and not an infantry guy right?

>>34552034
>where you can't use bombs because of civilian
Where did you get that notion from? Everyone bombs everyone else and everyone kills civilains doing it.

Ignoring that part to answer your question then yes and no, assuming of course you were able to do it properly and not be a durka sniper sticking your gun barrel through some hole to invite return fire, then you get to be a longer distance away from the actual fighting, but if you get caught because the infantry you were supporting collapsed and either got overrun or just plain ran away (both extremely common in Syria) expect to have some extra shitty execution reserved for you because nobody likes snipers. Plus even with civilians in the area it's still not uncommon to just BTFO with heavy weapons (or in the case of Syria ATGM) of a floor or two in a building you suspect has a sniper in.

>>34543549
Trump has, (even before getting elected) but it's not as big news and could easily be missed.
To those who were not following closely since 2010, it's hard to explain how sick the Egyptians were of Obama.
Guess which was the first county congratulating Trump's victory over Clinton

>For Sisi, the first foreign leader to congratulate Trump following his surprise election victory, the Oval Office meeting will have special meaning -- he was never invited to the White House by former president Barack Obama.
http://www.france24.com/en/20170403-trump-reboot-egypt-ties-talks-sisi-white-house

Trump met Egyptian PM before the elections even:
>Trump has sit-down with Egypt’s president
http://nypost.com/2016/09/20/trump-pledges-support-to-egyptian-president-if-elected/

>>34543549
And here is some more. Not feeling like digging everything there is, and there is a lot, quite justified too. Basically Obama sided with the Muslim brotherhood and Salafists, he went pretty hard all in on that too. But the military won and the MB were outlawed and some of the more extremist elements formed ISIS Sinai (with North Sinai beduins forming the backbone).

Anyway here is something:
>Humiliation in Egypt: Kerry, Staff Forced to Pass Through Metal Detectors
>Reporters at the event said security officials asked Kerry and others in his entourage to remove their jackets in order to allow an inspector to pass a magnetic wand over their garments.
>Demanding that senior officials go through the process is a generally unheard-of stricture
https://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/22/humiliation-in-egypt-kerry-flight-crew-forced-to-pass-through-metal-detectors/

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Tartous

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>>34553545

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https://www.JEWbook.com/1260907644032183/videos/1286496621473285/

>>34553131
This incident summs up Kerry's foreign policy.
Anyone would never be challenged in such a way and in case he was would just walk away in indignation. But this stupid fuck would just drink any cum ejaculated his way for an opportunity to sit down and spew his moronic idealistic bullshit to foreign leaders who are used to come on top of cruel Macheavelian games just to survive and view him as an unbelievable retard.
I remember the Israeli defence minister calling him a messianic moron.

>>34493387

that wouldn't be a joint operation with russia, iran, syria, iraq and IRGC would it?

>>34548740
What's with the birb?

>>34499895

HAHA, kebab is upset his caliphate is getting rekt.

>>34558364
IS messenger birds? Has war actually devolved in the Middle East?

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>>34488768

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>>34558586
b& on google

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>>34558611

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>>34558621

>>34554328
To be fair, it wasn't all his idea. He was following Obama's line. The difference between him and so many others in Obama's cabinet was he didn't have the integrity to resign or refuse and be fired. So he just sauntered on. He knew he was throwing away US influence on the political kabuki, but it was going to happen with him in charge or not. Obama went through SecDefs like butter because they all hated him and argued to his face (Hagel most of all).

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>>34558627

>>34510510
>1. Early in the civil war a large chunk of the SAA defected to the rebels, or just ran away.
Mass defections really didn't happen, even though it was predicted by tons of people that they would. The issue was that the army was spread across the country, and when all these groups popped up, it kind of cut people off (DerEz is a good example of this). Also the SAA wasn't huge pre war desu.

>>34558593
>That fucking car.

These Chinese car manufacturers man, swear to god.

>>34510510
>>34553089
>>34553131
And yet Trump sided with Saudi Arabia, the elephant in the room with the greatest source of the fucked up narrative of Sunnism.

Egypt may have influence but they barely have the political leverage that they had 20, 30 years ago, because Arab nationalism and Ba'athism were supplanted by Salafism and Wahhabism fueled largely by the Gulf states under the Saudis' sphere of influence. Propping up the current Egyptian government is going to be pointless as long as the religious nuts in stay funded and equipped enough to threaten it.

>>34558586

as a welder, looking at that weld hurts my eyes a great deal. But I guess it doesn't matter if it holds.

>>34544627
Inshallah
>>34544723
>Russians can't be Muslim, got it

>>34558593
How the hell do you create a homemade mortar shell? Especially if you're an Ay-rab?

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>>34560195
islam is a hell of a drug

>>34501960
>t. jihadist
into the trash you go, ahmed

>>34560195
>What is a lathe

>>34498049
Iran didn't consider Alawites Shia until the start of the Syrian civil war. They celebrate Christmas as part of their religion ffs lmao

>>34560195

What's complicated about a mortar shell? You have one small explosive in the end to drive the shell out of the tube in a ballistic curve, then another explosive in the other end made to detonate upon impact. They could literally have made the entire weapon system from piss and paper.

>>34560195
Use a shotgun blank in one end to propel the shell through the ventilated mortar shell stem, and a 22lr as a detonator on the other end. Make the body of the shell as finely or as crudely as needed. That is what I have gleaned from workshop videos from Aleppo ~2013.

>>34561670
Originally the Alawites didn't want to be part of Syria. There is a letter from their leaders (including grandpa Assad) asking the French to not retreat from their territories at the coast and let them stay as a separate protectorate. Which is not surprising since they were treated like garbage by other arabs. The change came when they rode the wave of arab nationalism and even rose to the top of the regime. With the return of religious sectarianism in Islam they became deeply fucked and their ability to rule the sunis was greatly diminished. In order to belong to at least some faction of Islam they got themselves recognised as Shia. But this is more of a political decision than an actual recognition by the Shia. There will come a day when they will be disowned by them as well. Just not now.

>>34560195
you masturbated to any feminine boys recently phil