Why do fudds hate iron sights so much? I swear these rednecks

>>34478602
because their eyes can't see irons anymore

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>>34478602
fudd culture is very conservative

>>34478663
Wtf, what do they have against .22lr? I would have thought .22lr would be fudd safe. It's 160 years old for fuck's sake.

>>34478663
>no fun allowed

>>34478708
It's not a deer rifle so the only reason you might be shooting it is for fun. See >>34478716

>>34478602
Uh, why would you buy a bolt rifle with iron sights? Is this WWI?

>>34478663
Huh they left their phone number.....

>>34478663
This is specifically written to exclude the /k/ommunity.

these are the same people who complain about switching from striker fire triggers to DA/SA trigger.

It really reminds me of people who began archery with a compound bow, very forgiving on form, and when they tread into traditional bows, their form fucks them up and they have to practically re-learn everything.

>>34478729
Why would you need a scope if that range only goes up to 100 yards?

>>34478729
Because some of us have dreams

>>34478602
They're sold generally as sporting rifles designed for hunting or target shooting.

Hunters appreciate magnification as it increasing their ability to deliver humane kill shots especially at farther distances.

Target shooters often shoot smaller paper or metal targets that can be difficult to see at extended ranges.

These are not sold as combat rifles.

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>>34478663
Lol I'd take a 300 Winmag with a big ass break then shoot the shit out of their target stands.

>dayng, muh sight must be awf!

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>>34478781
Combat rifles don't need irons either. Get with the program.

>>34478663
my jimmies have been rustled beyond belief

>>34478663
also
>972 area code
this is a TEXAS range
i feel disgusted

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>>34478663
>no AK47

So a 74 would be okay then?

>>34478804
You can also take an AKM, RPK, PKM, Yugo m70, maybe even a vz. 58

>>34478602
Because modern fixed power scopes such as 4x32 and 6x42 offer great clarity, light transmission, field of view, and durability for low prices.

>>34478887
Why no Mosin either? It's the ultimate Fudd rifle.

>>34479043
I bet it's because it's a commie rifle, same goes for the sks

>>34478602
Because adding sights would make the rifles more expensive to produce and sell for no added benefit to 99% of people who buy a bolt action. Someone buying a savage axis wants a gun to shoot a whitetail at ~100 yards, not do a mad minute at 25.

>>34479055

Makes sense. I'm not OP but I was recently wondering the same thing and happened to see this thread.

>>34478663
Texas ranges suck. If my buddy sells his family's land that I shoot on I'm screwed because every range near me is so fudd that AR's get dirty looks on the rifle range

>>34478887
look again, no pistol grip rifles allowed.

>>34478602
This was true 5 years ago, when the only bolt rifle you could find with iron sights was a remington 700 bdl.

But nowadays, there are more options.

Savage, winchester 70, ruger, etc...

>>34478796
the guy on the left, literally has irons.

>>34479740
>BUIS

>>34478602
Look for cheap milsurp rifles. Plenty of decent condition bolt rifles. Perhaps an 8mm Mauser, 303 enfield, or 7.5x55.

Also lever guns,the caliber selection is shit but there are a few gems. Mainly 30-30 but it's a great round for most deer hunting, excluding wiiiiide open areas (200 yds +)

And then there's single shot rifles from companies like Rossi,NEF, and h&r.
They come in all kinds of calibers from .22 to .308 and many of them have iron sights.

>>34478764
Poor light?
Obscured target?
Low contrast target?
Old eyes?

What disadvantage do you believe a scope brings?

>>34479043
>>34479045
*brings SVT 40*

>>34480265
*Brings AMD-65*

It's not an AK-47 after all

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>>34478663
>All rifle must be scoped. NO RED DOTS (3 power or greater)
>No .22LR

The rest I can at least understand, even if they're retarded. But this? Why?

>>34478663
>conservative
I do not think this word means what you think it means.
Fudds are leftists.

>>34479938
>What disadvantage do you believe a scope brings?
fragility and bulk.

>>34480326
>AMD-65
>not just buying a 63 foreguard, extra grip, extra gas tube and making a bastard amd 63 for like $50.

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I have an aimpoint on my m1a scout. Am I wrong? Should I reevaluate my optic?

I've been contemplating a scout scope like the Burris one but it doesn't have illumination and isn't as rough.

>>34480326
Don't bother. I tried it with an CZ 527. Their exact words were:

"Is it an AR in 7.62x39? No other gun in that caliber is accurate to hiy on paper at 100 yards".

>>34480742
Tough*

>>34480748
>not IMMEDIATELY challenging the fudd to a marksmanship contest
do you not have faith in your raifu

>>34479082
I thought Texas was not fudd

>>34478663
>no pistol grip
Lmao why

>>34480764
Nah. I just put my rifle back in my car and took my business elsewhere.

>>34480768
If you mean laws against semi-autos, no. If you mean stuck 30 years in the past regarding bullshit gun lore, then fuck yes, Texas is super fudd.

It's changing, but not quickly enough.

>>34478663
>no rule against rapid fire
*brings scoped, registered FA DP28 and magdumps soft points

>>34480800
I'll be moving to Texas from Michigan soon (don't worry, I swear I will never vote against guns)

>>34480806
Don't miss. The older RSO watches your target with his spotting scope. If you're not in the target, on paper is not good enough, they ask you to either fix your optic or leave. I assume no refunds either.

>>34480707
I meant "conservative" as in resistant to change, not where they sit on the political spectrum.

>>34480820
You're not going to like the summers, but winter will be a breeze, and from what I hear, less mosquitoes and only sand midges.

>>34478663
>972

These faggots are in MY fucking area code? Holy shit.

>>34480956
How the hell are you shooting in DFW and you haven't heard about Elm Fork's b.s. yet? Not to mention how many people have CCLs but hardly any of the pistol ranges here let you do holster work without a badge.

>>34480993
I don't actually have my own gun yet, but the one range I have gone to (Eagle Gun Range) was pretty chill all things considered. I do wanna try out that outdoor place in Garland at some point though.

>>34481012
>>34480993
Dallas bros! We should meet up.

If you're talking about garland public that place is legit its the place I shoot at

>>34480870
I would have used the term traditionalist, but with an inb4 not in a constitutional originalist sense.

>bolt action rifles with iron sights
Sure is 1912 in here.

>>34481012
>>34481045
Does Garland let you work on draws? I know they have a no-controlled-pair rule.

Mockingbird and that private range out in Fort Worth are the only places I've found to work on my draw and half-and-half drills.

>>34481063
Someone has imperfect sight.

>>34481069
yep

>>34480768
Texas sucks, it's positive reputation is completely undeserved.

>>34478602
>buy a bolt rifle with propper sights

You use the word fudd, yet you are frustrated with ALL THESE WHIPPERSNAPPERS and their new fangled technology.

Scopes are better than irons. There's no benefit to using irons besides the fact that they are classy and low profile. You do not need BUIS on a hunting rifle. Quality scopes are more durable than blade irons, and the location of irons can fuck with your eye relief.

Also, there are three or four sub 1k bolt action rifles I can think of that are being marketed with irons. Way more if you include Sako rifles and other euro offerings. And never mind that the market is totally awash in old hunting rifles with irons, as well as milsurp, because you're gonna be a fag no matter what.

>>34481091
We can't all be AK or AZ. Not yet, anyway. If we finally pass constitutional carry, that will help.

>>34481091
you can blame Austin for that

>>34481064
I believe They do, but they have some gay rule against FMJ rifle ammo. I just load 4 hollow points into one mag for my NPAP and show them that. they assume the rest is also hollow

>>34478758
>implying this is a bad thing

>>34480874
I've been to Texas in the summer. I wore trousers and long sleeved shirts the whole time and I didn't melt

>>34478758
They need to add:
>no combloc milsurp fashion
>no anime accessories
>no fursuits
>no crossdressing
>no autistic behaviour

>>34478760
>these are the same people

Please refrain from making such blatant non-sequiturs on 4chan, /k/omerad. It diminishes the quality of the board.

>when transitioning from simple equipment to nuanced, unforgiving equipment, people have to learn more

Shocker.

I do not understand looking down on people that use good, modern equipment in order to achieve important goals.

DA/SA triggers are shit. Even their staunchest defenders know it's much harder to shoot well with one, and the learning curve on a self defence tool shouldn't be that steep.

I love my longbow, but 99% of the traditional archers I see have no business shooting at big game with their gear. To me, "challenge" means risking failure, and in this case failure means wounding game. This is unacceptable in my mind.

>>34479082
woah dirty looks. who gives a shit?

>>34478663
>no FMJs
for what purpose

>>34478796

I unironically agree with this. BUIS are a meme.

>>34481228
Kudos. DFW has been humid as fuck for the last 3 years. Mowing the lawn has become an exercise in willpower.

>>34481091
>>34480800

Where I live in Texas it isn't fudd at all. I don't see fudds, in my experience Texas is more mall ninja.

>>34481306

Dude I live in the Galveston area, you guys know nothing of humidity.

>>34481306
Interesting. Last time I was there was 4 years ago

>>34478727
Or to practice general marksmanship.

22 LR is also the gold standard for small game.

I'm guessing they just don't like to clean up all the rimfire brass that they can't reload.

>>34480724
>fragility
No. Good ones are tough as fuck. Irons without a hood are way more likely to be damaged when dropped.

>bulk
Man if a bighorn sheep hunter can deal with a few ounces added to their gun, I'm pretty sure you can bring yourself to haul it to the range.

>>34478760
As someone who learned on a DA/SA and now shoots and teaches others on striker guns, I think you're shaking your fist at clouds. Ditto for the guys bitching about learning on a red dot or fixed 1x for rifles instead of the old blade sights.

I have zero qualms about my kids never learning irons on anything but pistols.

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>>34481329
>tfw stuck in Austin with /nogunz/ since stepmother is a liberal bitch
kill me already

>>34479088
Bring California neutered versions.

>>34481329
> Galveston area

I went to school near Houston. I moved up to DFW explicitly to get away from tasting water in then air when I inhaled.

Keep this shit to yourselves, down there where it belongs.

Because irons are only as good as your eyes are.

>>34480778
The eternal fudd strikes again.

>>34480742
I just ordered the vortex scout scope for mine and I'm hype as fuck

>>34481329
tfw league city rains every afternoon like damn florida

it still blows my mind how if you drive 40 minutes north or west the weather is so different

>>34480694
Apparently the owner is a dumb fucking fudd who's allergic to money

>>34481285
>DA/SA triggers are shit. Even their staunchest defenders know it's much harder to shoot well with one, and the learning curve on a self defence tool shouldn't be that steep.
>much harder to shoot well
You're full of fucking shit, and must be new as fuck to not remember how prevalent DA and DA/SA guns were until quite recently, even with Glock being an option for decades. Guess nobody could shoot their handguns until 10 or 15 years ago?

>>34482056

Be as upset as you like, but don't pretend that a 13lb DA/SA trigger is as easy to learn on as a stock Glock.

>10-15 years ago

And they're largely disappearing from serious use.

I like all guns. I like Beretta 92's and SIG's and every other quality pistol. However, if you're looking for a carry/police/military weapon, you have objective criteria that are more significant than "this gun gives me a boner how dare you say something bad." In this case, the criteria includes simplicity of operation. That means striker fired.

>>34482530
>>34482530
>13lb
try 6-8lb
with 3-4lb in SA

>>34481376
Houstonfag here, Went to see Willie at the 4th of July Picnic. Seems like a good mix of hippies and rednecks. My kinda people when it comes to partying. Go to 6th street, get some, and then report back about how much it sucks. City govt. is fucked though, ill agree.

>>34482669

>try 6-8lb
with 3-4lb in SA

Sweet Jesus, now you're just flat out lying. Are you so attached that you need to make things up?

Google SIG 226 pull. Google Beretta 92 pull. Maybe even try one out someday when you turn 21.

>>34478663
>no ebil gommunist gunz
>no .22
these guys must get so much business

>>34482852
I just googled it still seems right with the exception of a few odd balls most where in the range I posted and a few that has a 10-12lb triger for da and I saw non that said they had a 13lb or more trigger.

>>34482931

6lbs is the pull weight of a stock Glock 17. Are you really going to cover your ears and try to say that the double action pull on a DA or DA/SA handgun is as good or better? You're flat out making things up. I too am googling, and most 92 series triggers are breaking at 11-14lbs, SIG's are all running 10+, CZ75's are running 11-13. These are not "oddballs," you're bound by the amount of work that the mainsprings need to do to get ignition. Most striker fired pistols are essentially at "half cock" all the time. That is why the pull is lighter.

>>34483045
>6lbs is the pull weight of a stock Glock 17. Are you really going to cover your ears and try to say that the double action pull on a DA or DA/SA handgun is as good or better?
Many would tell you that, Glock triggers are nothing special.

>>34483045
I will say 6lb is to low unless it has a D spring, 8-12 from my googling and was correct with my pistol.
>>34483104
In fact from my time with borrowed glock I will say they are shit. Especially with that half cock that putts it in between a DA and a SA trigger.

Some low-level fudds don't greatly care for them, but once they evolve past shooting deer with any old crummy Winchester Remingtonby T3 and acquire a taste for the unusual, the iron sights become more common. Iron sights are common on fighting rifles (double and bolt action), brush guns/guide guns, and generally on higher-calibre guns.
One of my favourite things to do is to sit and listen to old fudds talking about hunting trips they've been on abroad, particularly the ones that hunt in Africa.
Off the top of my head, I know that Merkel, Blaser and Sauer make rifles with iron sights, and it's no big trouble to see a gunsmith about installing a set of iron sights on your rifle. I've heard lots of good things about the XS Ghost Ring sights.

>>34481091
Oh shut the fuck up and don't even try to act like Texas has those kind of bullshit rules on a wide scale. Our gun laws are solid and we just got better knife laws. Stowe it.

>want mag fed bolt action with factory irons
>have three guns to pick from
Fuck this life.

>>34483114
>Especially with that half cock that putts it in between a DA and a SA trigger
This, I don't know why everyone apes this setup so widely.

>>34483132
Doesn't change the fact that Texas is overrated and loves fellating itself.

>>34483045
What is it with people thinking there's no way to possibly use a DA/SA without the DA pull. I converted my DA/SA to SAO because I never used the DA.

>>34483045
>Are you really going to cover your ears and try to say that the double action pull on a DA or DA/SA handgun is as good or better?
1. You're talking to at least two different people
2. You act like pull weight in the only consideration when judging a trigger. If DA/SA's are so unusable, why are they still so prevalent in competitive shooting? How was anyone ever able to hit the broad side of a barn with a handgun prior to The Aglockalypse of the mid-00s?

>>34483135
MVP, Gunsite Scout, Steyr Scout, Savage 11 Scout

there I named four

>>34478749
Can someone call any inquire why no 22lr?

>>34481376
>stepmother
Tell her to fuck right off and get yourself some good shit. Treat the gun/ammo like escaped slaves or Jews or something.

>>34481069
why would you want to focus your eyes on 3 focal rather than one?

>>34478708
its a skeet range outside dfw,tx

>>34480742
uhh i hate that rifle so much, i like your set up much more, so torn

>>34483135

Dude, you have hundreds. Not all of them are in new production, but older 700's, Savages, M70's, Ruger 77's, Husqvarnas, Parker Hales, Sakos, and milsurp conversions give you dizzying amounts of options.

>>34483180
>You act like pull weight in the only consideration when judging a trigger. If DA/SA's are so unusable, why are they still so prevalent in competitive shooting? How was anyone ever able to hit the broad side of a barn with a handgun prior to The Aglockalypse of the mid-00s?

I never said they were unusable, and I never said someone can't get good with one. People still use them, but they're losing popularity fast and it's for a reason.

>>34483114
>>34483156

It's funny, in the same breath that you're saying the 12lb DA trigger on your favorite gun is fine, you complain about a consistent trigger that is only vaguely heavier (though admittedly mushier) than the SA pull on your favorite gun. I mean, if you like it, rock it, but at least acknowledge the dissonance at play here.

>>34483165
>The thing you're saying is annoying isn't actually annoying, it's great, which is why I mechanically altered my gun to avoid it completely!

...thanks for making my point for me? I guess?

>>34483135
>>34483183
Merkel RX Helix, Blaser R8, Mauser M12, M03, M98, Sauer 100, 101, 404, Sako TRG-22 Jubilee, a number of Sako 85 rifles, and the Tikka T3X Arctic all have factory iron sights, and feed from a DBM. I also think the Weatherby Mark V Dangerous Game Rifle feeds from a DBM, but I'm not sure. Chances are that unless you have a great deal of money to buy their crazy magnum calibre ammo and a fetish for harsh recoil and ruined animal meat, it's probably not your kind of rifle anyway.

>>34483396
>The thing you're saying is annoying isn't actually annoying, it's great, which is why I mechanically altered my gun to avoid it completely
Jesus Christ your reading comprehension is garbage. You made DA out to be this unavoidable obstacle that is inherent to DA/SA pistols when simply cocking the hammer before firing or leaving it cocked and locked completely circumvents the use of the DA pull. I further added that because I never use DA on my carry pistol because I prefer SA and train in disengaging the safety on the draw, i removed the DA function in favor of a more comfortable and cleaner breaking SAO trigger. Learn to read.

>>34483192
Because they cannot pick up the brass to reload it.

"IT TOUCHES THE GROUND, IT'S RANGE PROPERTY"

>>34481329
Pearland local. I fly to Galveston a lot and the weather is always shit. Love my state but fuck our weather

>>34478663
No slavshit, bolt-action only, final destination

>>34483132
>t. Texanigger
"but muh Alamo"

>>34483132
>knife laws

lmao bin that knife bro

>>34478663
>fag culture is very liberal

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>>34480993
>This is Elm Fork's range policy
Jesus, and I thought their skeet fields were bad. Definitely never going to go back there. Hope they get their assess flooded again.

>>34483132
Your gun laws are better than California's, but otherwise second rate.

>>34478663

>NO - Pistol Caliber Rifles

But... wha?.. My .44 mag Marlin lever-gat is Fuddy as all fuck?!

>>34485355
Meh. Hunting laws are good. All center-fires with suppressors are legal for all game, and hogs can be spotlighted if you notify the game warden ahead of time.

Constitutional carry is our biggest hang up, but that should pass in a couple of years, assuming DFW and Houston's crime rate don't spike. After that, we're not left with much else.

>>34485503
They used to allow lever actions in pistol calibers, but someone showed up with a Hi-Point carbine and sagging pants so they had to ban them all.

>>34485503
Nah man
Level 80 Fudd Supreme is scoped bolt-action in big game centerfire only.

>>34478663
you just know the only reason the 3x+ scope rule is there is because the retarded owners cant shit shit with irons lol

>>34478663
It's ok, bring a VZ-58 with thumbhole stock, fixed 4x PSO scope and soft point ammunition.

>>34485554
Just as God, Rigby, Selous and Weatherby intended.

>>34478729
Why would anyone ever buy a bolt action rifle if they are living in current year +2

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>>34487575