9x39

can you even get 9x39 in the US?

Why does everyone want to re-skin the cat that 300 blackout already took care of?

>>34477044
Wolf plans on importing ammo.

>>34477147
Why do people need to create new rounds to fill the places of ones already produced?

>>34477147
This, especially when all you have to do is switch out a barrel to go from 5.56 to 300.

>>34477147
Because .300 blackout has fucking tiny bullets compared to 9x39. If you're doing subsonic you may as well do big bore unless you're limited to stanags.

>>34477147
Isn't 300 blackout technically a cat that was skinned years ago by 30 carbine?

>>34477217
>Why do people need to create new rounds to fill the places of ones already produced?
Exactly.
7x57 (1892) > 7mm-08 (1980)
6.5x55 (1894) > 6.5 Creedmore (2007)

>>34477147
>.300 AAC versus a .38 caliber bullet

m8, 9x39 is a different cartridge. Also the whole .300 AAC meme petered out because silencers are heavily regulated. Without that regulation, sub-sonic ammunition will become REALLY popular

>>34477286
Except 6.5 CM is markedly better than 6.5x55 in several ways, and the better cartridge overall.

>>34477147
9x39 is significantly bigger and heavier than memeout. Also slavshit.

>>34477147
.300 black is a scaled down copy of 9x39 tho

>>34477329
No it's not. The absolute heaviest bullet used in 9x39 is 17.3 grams, which is 266 grains.

The heaviest commercial .300blk uses a 240 grain bullet, one of the most popular cast bullets is 247 grains, and Accurate Mold is producing a grooveless 268gr mould currently specifically for .300blk. All of which can be driven to well over the speed of sound within the powder capacity and pressure limitations of .300blk.

>>34477342
.300blk is a commercialization and SAAMI standardization of .300 whisper, which existed almost 20 years before 9x39. Sooo...no.

>>34477147
>Why does everyone want to re-skin the cat that 300 blackout already took care of?

Because that's actually available and fuck buying things that are actually things because reasons.

Literally /k/ in a nutshell.

>>34477252
No because .30 carbine uses a light bullet at low velocity instead of a light bullet at high velocity OR a heavy bullet at low velocity.

>>34477286
>hey we made it shorter and more accurate while burning less powder so the guns last longer!
>doesn't matter, original is better because I said so!
You are everything that is wrong with the gun community.

>>34477356
>implying
Even if this were true, .300 whisper was developed in the early 90s and 9x39 was the 80s

>>34477397
9x39 was first conceptualized in approximately 1987. Literally not a single firearm was ever chambered in it before 1995 due to the fall of the Soviet Union.

.300 whisper was first conceptualized in 1991 and first chambered in a production rifle in 1992.

>>34477427
>the as val and the vss don't exist
>groza was produced in 94
>vsk was 94
>ots-12 was 93

>>34477427

>vss vintorez
>AS VAL
>in service: 1987-present
no anon, no. You don't even know what you're talking about, so why bother arguing? First you say it's 20 years before, now you backpedal to three? But still wrong.

Why bother arguing if you do not know what you're arguing about? You must have a problem.

>>34477147
Because 300blk was developed to copy 9x39.

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>>34477466

>>34477356
>All of which can be driven to well over the speed of sound within the powder capacity and pressure limitations of .300blk

But that's wrong, you don't want them going over the speed of sound because then you get the supersonic crack.

The whole point of these big heavy boolits is to be as quiet as possible from a suppressed rifle.

>>34477011
How does a .300 compare to 9x39?
From what i understand, .300 was designed with supressors and favorable ballistics in mind, and the 9x39 was designed with that, and armor penetration at under 300 meters.
The .300 uses .308 bullets and the 9x39 uses .358, according to russian military trials, 7.62x39 was used suppressed at first but had unfavourable stopping ability and subpar armor penetration, which led to the development of 9x39. The .300 is technically a step backwards in that regard as its designed with 7.62x39 ballistics in mind.

>>34477500
No shit. I said CAN be. As in bullet weight is not a limiting factor in the caliber, mag length and reliable feeding are.

Although it is fun to drive a 220 SMK to 1850fps just because you can. The fact you can get almost-.308 ballistics out of the extremely heavy bullets is interesting, if not particularly practical.

>>34477505
Generally quite well. It's capable of throwing the same weights at the same velocities with less powder burnt and lower recoil while also being capable of using light supersonic bullets to also be better than 7.62x39 (faster with heavier bullets and less recoil).
>both .300blk and 9x39 can throw >260gr bullets at 1100fps easily
>.300blk can throw a 125gr bullet at 2400fps from a 16" barrel compared to 7.62x39's 123gr bullet at 2350fps

Part of it is case geometry, part of it is the fact that Russians can't (or wont, considering the abject failure PAB-9 ammo was) into proper propellants.

>>34477505
300 is supposed to be more for SBRs/PDWs/AR pistols. It was designed to perform better out of short barrels and gas systems for CQC type stuff where you'd likely have a can on the weapon and want a heavier bullet because it's going to be moving slower.

>>34477505
for subsonic applications 9x39 is superior to 300 aac. Yes 300 aac fits in an ar-15 yes it fits in stanag mags yes 7.62x39 is practically the same fucking thing and existed fora fucklong time in comparison no I dont understand people shilling 300memeout and dont even shoot it subsonic / supressed because thats the majority I've seen...

Anyone know where I can buy some 9x39 rounds?

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>>34477548
But pab 9 was simply just an sp6 that used a stamped steel penetrator... What else was different?

>>34477607
If Wolf manages to import them by the case, then hopefully cheap sp6 will come.

Right now, I don't know of any places with cheap 9x39

>>34477577
>for subsonic applications 9x39 is superior
How? With an upper velocity cap of no greater than 1100fps (and usually 1050fps), the .300blk throwing a 240-250gr bullet (which are commercially available) will have higher SD and a higher propensity to tumble than 9x39 throwing a 245gr bullet (SP5, far and away the most common 9x39 round).

As for armor piercing the best dedicated-AP 9x39 can only penetrate 10mm of steel armor plate, and only within 15m. At 100m it can only penetrate 2mm of steel armor plate or 4mm of cold-rolled (soft) steel. The basic-bitch 220gr SMK load, a fucking lead cored hollowpoint, achieves those penetration numbers in .300blk due to the much higher SD.

220gr SMK's have a significantly higher ballistic coefficient than the SP5 bullet. the 220 SMK's G7 BC is .323 vs. the SP5's .299.

>yes .300AAC fits in an ar-15
Because it's a skinnier bullet. Which regardless of which weapon means lighter, slimmer, lower profile mags OR higher capacity mags for the same weight/bulk. Either is a benefit.

>yes 7.62x39 is practically the same thing
Slower with lower BC bullets and higher recoil and no good subsonic option is not practically the same thing. And no, the velocity difference is not minor.

>I don't understand people shilling 300memeout
Because it's a legitimately good round that can singlehandedly replace 3 other calibers regardless of whether you're doing tactical shit, precision shit, or close-medium range hunting, while costing less than most full-power rifle rounds and being ridiculously easy to reload for.

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>>34477569
Do consider that the val and vss have 8 inch barrels. The rest of the front end length is nothing but supressor. If you pay attention to 9x39 firearm design you'd notice they all for the most part have short barrels so I think that's a moot point.
>>34477577
Who cares what the majority does?
They probably all use supers because it takes 15 years for the atf to approve their suppressor stamps
>>34477607
You have to know people who know people really.
The only way to get them is to smuggle them in.

>>34477311
>>34477382
Mememore fanboys detected.
Enjoy your higher pressures and limited bullet selection.

>>34477652
For starters, it was corrosive (SP5 is not, it's unclear whether SP6 is) because they used cheaper primers.

Secondly they switched to a much cheaper, less reliable flake powder instead of the extruded, short stick powder found in both SP5 and SP6, which greatly accelerated throat wear, gave more muzzle flash, and was far less consistent in SD and ES.

The horribly inconsistent velocities coupled with the imperfect stamped penetrator meant accuracy was beyond abysmal. All in the sake of cost-cutting.

>>34477711
we get it you REALLY like 300 meme out, glad to see the military will never adopt it.

>>34477722
Higher pressure is a good thing though. It means more velocity with less powder burnt, which means less recoil per FPS and slower throat erosion.

>limited bullet selection
How? Literally all of the mentioned calibers (7mm-08, 6.5CM, and .300blk) have commercially available bullets in every even slightly appropriate weight from every major and most minor manufacturers on the planet. Unlike slavic rounds. And they use the exact same bullets as your favored 6.5x55 and 7x57.

>>34477739
We get it you REALLY like the concept of a round you will never even see in person and know less than nothing about outside of it appearing in video games.

>>34477739
Not him but I really do not care.
As long as .300 barrels and reloading dies are made the cartridge will stay alive and i'll enjoy the round's benefits. The round takes advantage of the economy of scale way too well to disappear, ever.

>>34477781
great roast m8 ya got me man, truly a testament to firearms technology. What a magnificent round.

>>34477789
I agree i just give my buddy all my 5.56 brass and he cuts / necks it. Its just fun being a hipster about the latest and greatest and shit talking to get replies

>>34477781
:^)

>>34477735
Huh, learned something new. Any good reads on the subject that isn't in russian?

>>34477767
Literally the only argument for 6.5 CM is muh short action. MRC makes 6.5x55 in a short action so there goes that. Get back to me when 6.5 CM can load 85 and 160 gr bullets.

>>34477869
Guess what? 6.5CM has been able to load 85 and 160gr bullets since the day it was invented, because it's a 6.5mm rifle cartridge.

Both will also fit in an AR10 mag too.

>>34477824
Hah, I just bought a bunch of supplies to do all that myself. All it takes is a 25 dollarydoo hazard fraud 2" cutoff saw and a buddy with a 3d printer to make the cutting jig. You do the reloads yourself... Right?

>>34477869
What rifle? I've been wanting something in 6.5 swede and didn't know short action existed for it?

>>34477902
Montana Rifle Company ASR
http://montanarifleco.com/?page_id=149

>>34477888
I don't reload them my buddy does, i just give him my brass. I personally don't own a 300 aac, he owns several.

>>34477147
You mean 7.62x35mm totally not AKM ammo for ARs?
9x39mm Soviet is different, it was designed from the ground up for suppression and only looks vaguely similar to memeout because both are derivative of 7.62x39mm Soviet.

>>34477147
Because it's like .300 BLK, but without the potential of chambering it it's smaller brother 7.62x39 and KBing yourself and your gun.

Also, eventually we might see surplus.
Maybe.
If we get some shit cleared up with our import laws and "AP ammunition" and what constitutes AP and what doesn't.
And if the Russians decide that they want cheap FMJ 9x39.

And the only way this stuff will EVER catch on is if there's some kind of AK like carving chambered for it.

>>34477914
that's a beautiful rifle. Will remember this for BTFO mememore faggots. The only think i hate more then 300aac shilling is mememore shilling. 6.5 swede has been here over 100 years... Fucking reinventing the wheel.

>>34477946
>Reinventing the wheel
Well yeah, sorry to say but id rather haul stuff in a tacoma than a horse and buggy.
Fucking fudds.
:^)

>>34477975
That's a great comparison as if firearms technology hasn't plateaued in the last century, would expect nothing less from a shill. How much did freedom group pay you?

>>34477711
extremely underrated post if true

I would like to see your sources though.

>>34478050
>expecting sources from a bias'd shill

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>>34477998
Silly anon, 6.5 creedmoor was made by the ballisticians over at Hornady.
Your bitch tears fuel me.

>>34478293
Hornady is a awesome company and 6.5 creedmoor is a good round, But....... 6.5 swede can shoot a greater range of bullet weights and has existed forever, battle proven, hunting proven literally a great round.

>>34477886
>fag doesn't respond
Must feel good to be that right

>>34477011
Sounds stupid, ARs have .300 Boutique

>>34477147
For the same reason .300 BLK wanted to make a western 9x39.

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>>34478050
Well... Got one of these?
Great, that's half of your source.
Just use a ballistics calculator for 9x39.
>>34478309
Sure, i have no doubt to its capabilities, and i agree that they're both great rounds, but we all would rather go back to shitflinging.
Besides, 6.5 swede is more of a European cartrige than an American one.

>>34477147
> falling for the .300 memeout Jew

>>34478402
I'll sling shit further and more accurately than you with 6.5x55 swede BITCH

>>34477147

because .300 meme out is complete trash, developed by some fatass on the means of "hmm, let me take 7.62x39 and make it 7.62x30"

>>34478426
Couldn't you handload 7.62x39 with good brass and boolits to be the same or out preform 300aac? I know 7.62x39 has a different diameter so maybe a smaller selection of quality bullets?

>>34477149
What is the point if nobody in the US has a gun that will shoot it?

>>34478440
Yes, the only thing lacking is bullet selection because .312 instead of .308 but I wonder if the 180gr round nose bullets would be possible to make a sub sonic load with that will cycle an ak.

>>34478537
The whole thing that had me suspicious with 300 aac was the wild claims of superiority to 7.62x39 and all the comparisons. Comparing factory loads to fine hand loads is fucking retarded..... Though if there is no availability to make fine handloads for 7.62x39 then I guess it does sort of have it beat...

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>>34478440
My hornady manual shows that it uses the same exact .308 bullets as .300, though standard manufactured x39 uses .310, so they arent as accurate.
Also the manual only goes up to 155 grain projectiles for some reason.
X39 seems to have a larger case, but boolit is seated further in... So maybe? Who knows, until you try it.

>>34477217
you mean why not use rounds that are already in existence, like the 9x39?

>>34478552
I did find some 215gr .311 bullets but yea not many people hand load for lee enfields, arisakas, or moisins.

>>34478588
>>34478555
>>34478555
Do you think the bore diameter on like my wasr 10/63 or an sks or other 7.62x39 rifle is the same as 300aac?

>>34478426
This is bait. Standard AR parts compatibility is the entire point you stupid fucks.

>>34478599
Slug them and find out, they are probably ~.310-.312

>>34478624
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/638571/speer-hot-cor-bullets-303-caliber-77mm-japanese-311-diameter-180-grain-round-nose-box-of-100

what would happen if I bought these and just poped them into some steel wolf cartridges after ripping out the other bullet? kaboom?

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>>34478599
It's larger but by very little. You still use the same bullet but with an extra step to expand the bullet's diameter.

If you can stick a 220gr .308 in a brass x39 case and cycle it in a supressed draco i'll be impressed.

>>34477149
maximum erection, based slavs will liberate us from our vss-free existance

>>34478669
Kaboom if you don't adjust how much powder they have in them.

>>34478719
And the seating depth.

Yeah, people tend to forget that handloading is an exact science

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>>34477652
good lord

does a sexier gun exist

>>34478293
>6.5 creedmoor was made by the ballisticians over at Hornady
And you fell for their repackaged 6.5x55 meme cartridge. Just like the .260 rem and 6.5x47 guys.

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>>34477011
Not big enough.

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>have Russian engineer contacts
>Buy the solid works files made from reverse engineering VSS and real VSS blueprints

Well, guess there's a reason to get this project started then eh?

Whatever happened to .458 socom?

>>34477286
Ha, you are fucking retarded. Both of those newer rounds beat the shit out of the older ones.

>huur why do you need to fit long high-BC bullets in yr mag?

Fucking ballistic retards.

>>34479812
Yeah, I'm suuuuure you will, just like everyone else before you who's said the exact same thing.

The closest thing anyone here will ever get to a VSS or AS-VAL is buying an airsoft version and dropping in the internals from something else into the shell, just for visuals

>>34479854
I mean a few one offs for myself and my friends is totally durable. I'm not making promises on commercial production.

I'm already 100x farther than the other projects as I already have every single parts engineered

>>34478884
>what is case length

6.5 Creed is hardly a repackaged 6.5x55.

>>34479829
Still around, it's basically like 300blk, just a hobby round.

>>34478467
They're playing on offering AR 15 conversation kits.

>>34477607
Same place you can get 5.45x18mm

>>34479875
sssssssssooooooooo what are you gonna need? start a patreon or something for it so the memes can become dreams. The little bit of lurking I've done over the years I'm pretty sure you might actually be able to pull it off..

>>34479875
So if you were to sell one to someone outside your group of friends how much would one be looking at roughly, $3.5k?

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>>34480281
I'd need half a mil at least for the right machines for full scale production.
>>34480298
who knows? probably expensive as shit since everything would be one off custom made parts.

The main issue you run into is Chicken or the egg dilemma.

What comes first?

If TFB is right, and they do start making 9x39 AR patterned rifles, the round at least has some chance of survival here in the U.S, at which point a VSS clone would be feasible to market and sell.

The problem is, TFB is notorious for latching onto and spreading rumors based on the most untrustworthy of sources purely for the click b8, to get them shekels from the ad-revenue

Are these rumors true or just over-hyped bs?

If it's BS, then there would be no demand for a rifle that has no ammunition availability.

If it isn't BS, then you have to ask yourself, what is the real demand for a highly specialized and propitiatory rifle?

Will it end up like the HMG STG-44s just to be able to effectively make a marketable product, but at that point are you really making a true clone of the original rifle? And at that point, how many people will no longer want your product?

But then you risk losing the "normies", or the broader audience who would buy your product because it is more "versatile" and "useful" in the modern world, as opposed to the smaller group of collectors who want something identical to the originals.

The real question is, how do you balance those two or can you even balance those two without designing and producing two different rifles, which would up the costs and thus lose another part of the buyer base.

>>34480434
too much logic, ruining my dreams. Yeah realistically it probably will never happen or have a good reason to happen. I'd sure love to have a legit vss though. Those stg 44 knockoffs are fucking abortion tier, gawdy as fuck....

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Remind me, what is the effective range of 9x39 fired from a VSS again?

>>34477777

>>34480842
It's the problem with clones and replicas, and what kills them.

Gawdy abortions to make commercial production feasible

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>>34479812
Flandere, I will suck your girlfriend's dick dry for those files. I hope you're not lying.

>>34481201
a knife

>>34477147
300 blk is the new meme on the block between the 2 actually

like by a couple decades

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>>34482936
everything is engineered, all the way down to the small pins and springs.

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>>34483146
Damn, I'm full on jealous.

>>34483146
>>34480434
So just how quiet is a VSS compared to, say, an AR-15 in .300 BLK with a quality suppressor?

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>>34477147
First of all 9x39 with all of its 300g bullet is already subsonic, an advantage already over .300blk

>>34479812
H O W
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W

>>34477286
You don't understand ballistics well do you?

>>34479812
>it only takes solidworks to get tooled up for guns
I love you but stick to building AKs and dresses

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>>34477311
>Except 6.5 CM is markedly better than 6.5x55 in several ways, and the better cartridge overall.
It operates at a higher pressure in order to get the same performance out of a short action. The only thing it does better than a 6.5 Swede is it can be chambered in a short action rifle. the Swede does everything the 6.5 Creedmoor does performance wise at 10,000 PSI less. The only other argument that could be made is the 6.5 Creedmoor has more readily available match ammunition, but if you're shooting either without reloading, you're an idiot or a richfag.

>>34485556
So in other words I'm right.

>>34485609
B-but muh pressures!

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>>34485433
>it only takes solidworks to get tooled up for guns
Oh trust me, I know

>>34485659
Why not rough cut it with a bandsaw?

>>34485782
ur right

>>34481201
For reliably hitting things? About 400m.

For reliably killing someone unarmored? About 200m, because the SP5 and SP6 bullets neither tumble nor fragment.

For reliably penetrating literally any kind of armor? 150m.

For reliably penetrating literally any kind of hard armor? 15m.

In all fairness the only other subsonic rounds that do appreciably better are a fuckload bigger (.510 whisper, .458 whisper, etc).

>>34485659
Oh shit. How close are you to full receivers and how do I make friends with Russian arms designers?

>>34483762
It's louder. Average of 129.7 dBa at the muzzle when used with SP5 ammunition.

>>34485828
If it's entirely bullet design why do people get so erect over it?

>>34485829
getting someone else to do the work, we're not even sure how feasible it is to make a clone. Considering how expensive it would be just to make a one off.

But if needed in the future, it's a possibility

>>34485850

cause bullets and guns mix with casing and powder and bang.

It's mostly cause people want VSS and Grozas and other stuff from Russia

>>34484916
9x39's heaviest bullet is 17.3 grams (g), which is 265 grains (gr). It's also been discontinued because it was utter shit and only existed as a cost saving method. There are .300blk bullets heavier than 9x39 bullets.

9x39's most common bullet, the SP-5, is 16.8 grams (g), which is 260 grains (gr). Its second most common bullet, the SP-6, is 16.0 grams (g), which is 245 grains (gr). There are commercial factory .300blk loads heavier than both of these.

A 300 gram (g) bullet would be two thirds of a fucking pound or 4700 grains (gr). Literally no shoulder fired weapon uses a bullet that big, the .50BMG's heaviest bullet is 880 grains and the .950 JDJ's heaviest bullet is 3600 grains.

Learn your weights and their appropriate abbreviations. Also literally everything you said would've still been wrong even if you'd used the proper abbreviations.

>>34485850
Because it's something new-to-us and the rifles it's used in are unique, subjectively aesthetic, and unobtainable.

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>>34483762
9x39 SP-5 through the integrally-suppressed VSS is about 5dBa louder than commercial 220gr .300blk through an 8.5" AR with a SiCo Omega. It's about 17dBa louder than commercial 220gr .300blk through an integrally suppressed Spike's Tactical Compressor, which is the fairest comparison.

This is not a shortfall of the 9x39 round, but of the extremely crude design of the VSS's integral suppressor. Pic related.

>>34485844
Well, that's kinda lame.

Given the amount of engineering that went into the VSS I was expecting it to be whisper quiet, especially since it's designed to be subsonic.

>>34485969
This guy
>>34485964
explained why. The Russkies really dropped the ball on suppressor design.

There are several screw-on suppressors for things like the Groza and AK-9 using modern-Western designs, but I can't find ANY sound testing with them.

All else being equal, however, I expect it will always be louder than .300blk because it's a larger diameter bullet being moved by more powder at the same velocity. The only reason the VSS is as quiet as it is (which is still pretty damn quiet) is the absolutely cavernous expansion chamber in its suppressor.

>>34486002
I mean why bother with something complicated and expensive if the suppressor can be fuckhuge anyway?

Even with modern baffle design it won't change much and start suffering from finishing returns.

>>34486061
>even with modern baffle design it won't change much
A modern design of the same length and diameter could easily shave another 15-20 decibels off it.

Although I agree that for a military arm it would not have had much real-world benefit, 130dB is "quiet enough" and their design is light enough to not be a huge burden. One actual baffle at the muzzle end and going with a titanium alloy and thinner brackets could've made it slightly quieter and a lot lighter though. As a subsonic-only chambering there's no reason for it to be both steel and as thick as it is, and the only reason the washers are part of a bent strip and not welded individually is because Russian arms companies can't (or I suppose won't) get the QC tight enough.

I think the internet started the shit-flinging over it, with slavaboos claiming it was whisper quiet and westerners going "it's 3 fucking washers welded to a piece of angle iron, there's no way".

Regardless of what your stance is on the rifle or the round, you can't deny it's at least a neat concept.

>>34477011
what else is a heavy slow rifle bullet approaching 9mm in diameter?

9mm is ~.354

.300 BLK is smaller diameter

>>34485829
also truth be told, I have no idea if he was on the production team. He was someone I managed to contact through someone else I knew who had sent me deacts who worked in the Izhevsk region and had ties to Izhmash. He referenced me to someone he knew who worked out in Vyatskiye Polyany, supposedly with Molot, as I had been always asking him "if you ever come across any VSS deacts or leads to anything VSS, let me know"

The Molot contact with the files told me they were made from the original VSS blueprints, from what I understood was obtained when "fake" molot (Moлoт apмc) did some engineering for their commercial product.

The files seem very legit though, sent them to a machinist friend, and an engineer to look them over, they say they look legit.

So hopefully I didn't waste money bribing some sketchy Russian guy to release the files to me.

But it's not a big deal, it's the closest I've gotten to getting a VSS. But there's a possiblity it's all just bogus.

but considering all my plights to get a deact somehow have been in vain, this eases my suffering at least a bit.

Perhaps once Moлoт apмc starts making their fake VSS clones I'll just fly over there, get one, cut it up and send it to myself.

One way or another I'll get my hands on one damnit.

>>34486002
but with pressure so low the suppressor can be aluminum right?

>>34486184
.358 gremlin
.338 whisper
.338 whisper mk2
several .40cal wildcats, based off a myriad of cases ranging from 7.62x39 to .404 Jeffrey with a plethora of them made from 6.5gren/6.8spc cases to function in AR's and AK's
.375 Raptor
.458 SOCOM
.450 Bushmaster
.50 Beowulf
.375 whisper
.416 whisper
.510 whisper

>>34486198
I would assume so.

Too bad all the Russian suppressors are steel.

>>34477372
>fuck buying things that are actually things because reasons
Literally tumblr-speak in a nutshell

>>34486257
I wish a tube of titanium wasn't like $100

http://www.titaniumjoe.com/index.cfm/products/tubing/

$2.40/inch for 1" OD titanium tubing with a 0.065" wall thickness

now assuming the OD of the VSS tube is 1" (it's probably bigger) and probably 1.5 feet long (or longer) that's $43.20 for a plain piece of titanium tubing.

with a 1.5" OD tube 0.087" thick it would be $72

damn, with material cost like that it would be a pricey weapon.

>>34486380
That's after import and taxes, titanium in Russia is way cheaper

>>34486388
another $20 on top to ship to USA from Canada

titanium in USA probably even more expensive

>>34486380
Volume buying would more than halve those costs, assuming you're making them in serial production.

Russia has domestic titanium production, it's cheaper there than in the US.

Moreover Titanium Joe is one of the higher priced titanium tubing sellers. I can find it for less than $2/inch for 1.5" OD welded-seam tubing, which would be more than strong enough for a 9x39 can.

>>34486454
probably have to turn the seam off the inside so you can fit your baffle stack in.

>>34486497
Or use a monocore design. Or use a Russian-literally-3-washers-welded-at-an-angle design.

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>>34486515
are there gaps around the washers though?

>>34486559
Probably, knowing Russian design.

>>34486592
well it probably would increase turbulence and help it slow down and cool the gasses.

>>34477147

Because 9x39mm-chambered guns in STALKER were god-tier and /k/ has a hardon for STALKER in general.

>>34486605
ehhh

>>34477011
Slaga MFG is probably sweating buckets right now.

>>34486694
considering they are a two man job and have ONE
i repeat
ONE
CNC machine

they never had a product to sell to begin with

>>34480434
>I'd need half a mil at least for the right machines for full scale production.
nigga if i ever win the lottery this will be one of my tax shelter business projects.

>>34481201
That's actually a good question.

>>34485828
I wonder how it would do against boar hogs. that would be a market for it.
>>34486413
I thought Ti was a "controlled substance" in canada? there were canadians i knew that had a design firm, who outsourced all Ti stuff from the states because it was so much of a hassle to get it done in Canada. they owned some pump gear stuff for mining and oil. the one brother knew Mark LaRue personally from his machining for oil field stuff, and had the funniest shit to say about him.

>>34487164
>I wonder how it would do against boar
Unless you design a bullet that actually does something in the way of a primary wounding mechanism (tumbling, expanding, etc) then pretty shit.

There's a reason the people who use .300blk to hunt either shoot light supers like the 110-125gr softpoints or use cast lead subs with extremely large hollowpoint cavities that actually expand at ~800fps.

>>34487188
so a custom bullet design or an upscaled AK74 projectile?

>>34487212
Pretty much.

I don't see why it wouldn't do well with cast or plated hollowpoints. Hell since it uses .356 bullets you could probably get it running reliably with 147gr 9mm XTP's or something, and be able to drive them at some pretty high velocities (2000+fps). Ballistic coefficient sucks but they'd serve inside normal hunting ranges and they're cheap.

>>34487255
then it would basically take a few months of number crunching, tinkering and testing to get a really decent product.

>>34487164
What's up with larue?

>>34487323
he's a giant spazz on the net, and a bigger one in real life. he's supposed to be a solid guy and never breaks his word, but just squirrelly as fuck and spazzing out on shit all the time.

>>34486626
the turbulence helps that, I think teh first baffel is supposed to slow a bulk of the gas down, removing it from behind the bullet.

good idea to do that evenly, no clipped cones or turbulence.

>>34486755
I could do a lot with one CNC machine anon.

Small volume production for sure, it might be enough to feed myself, assuming I have some manual equipment too.

>>34486310
You literally forgot "sweetie," sweetie.

>>34485850
People go crazy over shit they can't normally acquire.

>>34487840
and you'd never be able to keep up with demand. Instead you'd have one off products with year long waits.

>>34487341
care to spare an anecdote?

>>34485872
You're in Augusta GA, aren't you? I'm right across the river in Aiken SC, if you'd want to go shooting some time. I live next to clay pits, good shooting spot.

No dresses.

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>>34477149

>>34477711
The bullet with .3bc is much better than the other bullet with .3bc...

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>>34491328
was in Augusta, I got a new job so I've moved unfortunately.

>>34491909
RIP

There are very few other /k/ fags around me. I only know of one in my town, and I'm his boss at SRS.

>>34492013
I knew at least 8 in the area, but eventually most of them moved. One of the guys from /k/ommando radio lived in Augusta, but he's also already moved out.

I think only 3 that I personally know who lived in the area remain.

>>34492091
I wish you could make KS-23s for us. You're like the god of slav shit to me.

>>34492091
Augusta is full of black trannies. Worth it for nacho mama's tho.

>>34492278
maybe one day when I have my dream machine shop
>>34492373
I actually never cared for nacho mama's. Romas was always my favorite place to eat honestly.

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>>34479875
>>34480434
>>34479812
You son of a bitch.

What do you know about the OKP 77? Apparently there were a few imported in the single digits through ebay, do you have one?

>>34492856
I have one on order, the guy who makes them has to custom make each optic to order, and it takes roughly 4 months.

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>>34492870
>a fucking primitive reflex sight has slavaboos all hot and bothered

>>34493031
it's the aesthetic my dude

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>>34492870
If it takes that much effort, then surely m.ebay.com/itm/322321165916?_mwBanner=1
Had to have been fake?
How much did it run you?

>>34493091
All of the OKP-7 optics in the U.S. have come in from him. He's the original and only source for the optics.

>>34493086
of course its about that you group think fag. you are obsessed with the superficial aspects of guns and your social image over the internet. fuck you and go away holy shit role play somewhere else you don't actually give a fuck about the hobby other than appearances that don't mean anything. i unironically hate fags like you do you realize how fucking bad you are and unpleasant you make people feel?
change your trip to "social image obsessed reddit clownboy fag"

>>34477798
This post is embarrassing m8

>>34485659
That's a retarded toolpath. Literally pants on head.

>>34492632
Romas is berry gud. They moved, and now they're less than a minute from my house.

>>34493031
>>34493112
Do those work the same as Cmore optics? That little node protruding out of the back of the optic is the diode that projects the reticle onto the glass?

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>>34493166
How can one anon have such a massive quantity of MAD?
Upset that he has stuff you don't?
Well... Me too i guess...

>>34493166
I have dozens of quality optics, may as well blow the money I have nothing better to spend on aesthetics my dude. <3
>>34493235
wait Romas isn't over by the movie theater anymore? fuggg
And I guess I'll find out how it compares once I get it.

>>34491486
Are you being retarded on purpose?

Just in case you aren't, a bullet with a .323 G7 BC will have twelve fucking feet less drop at 500m than a bullet with a .299 G7 BC, and close to 4 feet less wind drift.

>>34493315
>Romas
Nvm, I'm dumb. There are two (atleast) romas restaurants. If you're ever back in augusta, hmu.

[email protected]

>>34493539
cool, threw you an email

And that makes sense, I was about to say whenever I'm up there, great dates are always Romas and then movies haha.

>>34477011
It has been for years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=379NaY67ims

>>34494740
>stupid music over everything
why is this allowed?

>>34494818
edgy kids

>>34477722
>limited bullet selection.
dood you can't even easily get 9x39 in general