SHUSH bill being introduced in Senate: basically HPA on steroids

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>>34464500
My body is ready

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Liberal terror attac in 3 2 1...

>>34464500
Thanks based king, I knew I voted for you for good reason

>>34464500
This one better not get through either. I can hear the silencer jews rubbing their wallets already, and the pro-gun NRA jews rubbing their hands

>>34464785
I'm a roof top K. Does this make me a jew? Your dumb.

>>34464500
This has got me harder than terminator armor!

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>>34464500
ebin
>>34464785
kys fudd scum
>>34464870
based roof korean

>>34464500
IMHO, they only introduced it so that they can haggle it down to basically HPA as a pseudo compromise.

>>34464500
>senate

going nowhere, dems will filibuster and repubs aren't going to use the nuclear option if it means repubs can't use the filibuster in the future.

>>34464500
The HPA stalled in committee last year, went nowhere this year, and then got rolled into a larger bill that doesn't seem likely to pass with the important (title 1 suppressors and removal of "sporting purpose" clause) provisions intact.

I've already contacted several of my elected officials about this new bill. I expect I'll get responses similar to the ones I got concerning the HPA. Full support but ultimately no effective action.

All of this is basically republicans trying to earn notches in their belt for re-election campaigns so they can cash in those NRA bonus points come the midterm or next presidential election. Ultimately the democrats will do everything within their power to hard stall pro-gun legislation, or basically anything else that grants expanded freedoms that don't involve killing unborn children or flooding the country with foreign democrat votes to seed swing states.

>>34464962
Fuck the HPA

This bill is what the HPA should have been from the start.

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So what are the chances of HPA/SHUSH passing?

>>34465006
Nuclear option doesn't get rid of the filibuster, it only temporarily changes the rules of the Senate so the bill can overcome the filibuster with 51 votes instead of the usual 60.

>>34465005
why does everyone keep saying the dems will filibuster everything? do you really think theyre going to spend the next 4 years constantly talking so nothing ever gets passed?

>>34465026
The biggest hurdle is going to be clearing the Senate. Republicans only have 52 members, Democrats have 47. 60 is needed to overcome a filibuster, which I can guarantee you Democrats are going to do.

>>34465044
Dems have gone on record saying that they're gonna block all of the stuff Trump wants.

>>34465044
It's a 2A issue. Of course they'll do everything they possibly can to kill it.

>>34465044
Liberals are more likely to be sycophants

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/11/liberals-not-conservatives-more-likely-possess-psy/

>>34465052
>>34465069
theyre not going to be able to filibuster everything. im doubtful that this is so high on their priority list.

>>34465044
>do you really think theyre going to spend the next 4 years constantly talking so nothing ever gets passed?
If there is one thing the Democratic party has shown competency in post-11/2016 it's the ability to spew endless tirades with no foundations in reality that are fueled entirely by monumental amounts of butthurt.

>>34464962
Yeah, maybe. When will republinigs realize that the best defense is a good offense? When libs want to ban shit we need to try and unban shit.

>>34464785
Tf is wrong with you?

>>34465047
Weren't some democrats on board with the HPA? Southern Dems occasionally still support pro 2 a legislation

>>34465091
HEs fishing for (you)s

>>34464552
Who is this qt Latina? Why do I see her posted on here so much?

Please please please

If suppressors were more available it would be soo much easier to shoot without bothering leftards and cabin cucks.

>>34465117
She was a model in Mexico awhile back and you see her on here so much because she's cute.

>>34465087
this is amusingly and frighteningly correct.

>>34465137
if i could buy or build them without all the hassle i would shoot off my back deck everyday.

>uh oh gotta try to pass another useless suppressor legislation so they forget about the vepr ban

>>34465006
It went nowhere cause the same day it was supposed to be voted on a Commie Bernout shot up a bunch of Senators practicing for a baseball game.

>>34465289
Didn't they reschedule it?

>>34465047
They're going to run out of people to filibuster with at some point, and if I recall, there are actually hard limits placed on how long you can filibuster nowadays.

>>34465275
If you're American you could give less of a shit about an ultimately temporary ban on foreign goods, and care more about your -fundamental- rights.
Deregulating suppressors is arguably more important than almost any other bill, because we will set the precedent that gun owners are in power, in spite of the frenzied state nanny legislators are in right now.

>>34465275
>>34465348
What about suppressed veprs?

>>34465374
S H A L L

If any democrat is worried about the 'gangs' using 'silencers', then kindly remind them that your average DINDU doesn't have a threaded barrel and most of their $100 guns don't have the option if they wanted it anyways.

So, what happened to HPA?

It just disappeared when Steve Scalise got shot by that socialist?

>>34465393
If any democrat is worried about `gangs' using `silencers', they should have made oil filters illegal. That's about all the nogs could afford anyway.

They could also be reminded that your average nog probably doesn't care about the noise their guns make.

>>34465044
Yes.

>>34465398
No it's still in the pipe (and has a much better chance of passing considering the number of cosponsors it has).

We now have 3 bills aimed at reducing suppressor regulations to some extent, the HPA, the SHUSH Act, and the SHARE Act (this seems like a sneaker). Odds seem high that at least one will pass.

>>34465289
The HPA went nowhere and effectively died when it was rolled into the SHARE act, which was the subject of the cancelled hearing.

>>34465312
Postponed indefinitely. I don't think we're going to be hearing anything more about it this year.

>>34465348
>If you're American you could give less of a shit about an ultimately temporary ban on foreign goods, and care more about your -fundamental- rights.

If you're an American, you realize exactly what "shall not be infringed" means, and that the origin of a rifle makes little difference, since the federal government has grown so disgustingly large and powerful that it effectively answers only to itself. Import bans and trade restrictions are gun control.

>>34465393
If the democrats were actually concerned about gang violence they'd tackle the root causes of gang violence instead of spending hundreds of wasted hours trying to prevent white people from being able to buy guns.

>>34465553
Democrats don't care about gang violence because most of them live in comfy all white suburbs or areas of the city where they see like 1 roody poo and day and he isn't killing anyone right now thank you very much!

>>34465044
>why do people think dems would throw autistic screeching tantrums for inordinate amounts of time out of sheer spite
Have you been paying any attention to domestic events for the past 8 months?

>>34465553
The root cause is importing worthless spics and not deporting worthless niggers.

>>34465572
Dems dont care about gang violence because its beneficial for them to keep black americans as a permanent sub class of america that they can continuously grant small favors to

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>>34464500
>silencers are deregulated and get mass produced for $20 a pop
>realize you still have to wear earpro to the range because there will always be a few jackass fuds who refuse to use them

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>>34465044
Yes

>>34465638
>not just shooting on your own property

>>34465666
Hard to get 100 yards on a half acre...

>>34465666
>Owning property when you're under 30
Where do you think you are?

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>>34465638
>not having your own land
>not having a private range / gun club where you sit on the board and can propose rules
>not going shooting at 2pm on a wednesday and having the place to yourself

step it up sempai

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>>34465044
>do you really think theyre going to spend the next 4 years constantly talking so nothing ever gets passed?
That's literally what they've been doing so far since the day trump took office. Many Democrats have vowed to go against ANYTHING Trump/republicans want, no matter what the subject is.

>>34465638
if this passed there would eventually be "suppressor-required" ranges. It would even allow ranges to open in places where there would typically be noise complaints.

>>34464500
Are we getting the SHARE act too? it also had a lot of cool shit

>>34465398
It's there, but for the love of God let it die. SHUSH is what we need.

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>>34465348
>ultimately temporary ban on foreign goods,
>ultimately temporary

Yeah, because if I don't want a VEPR I can just get an MAK-90 oh wait those are still banned. Guess I'll just get a MAADI then oh wait those are still banned as well.

>>34466047
THE FUTURE IS SO BRIGHT

>>34466758
The 1989 assault weapon import ban and the ban on Chinese arms aren't economic sanctions like the shit for Molot and KC.

>>34465026
>da boromir, we take round disks, drill holes into the stack, then take to shop press and have baffle assembly complete

Is that outer tube aluminum? Surely not.

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>>34466494
The convenient timing of the bernie shooter put it in rescheduling limbo because it was supposed to be voted on that day.

>>34466758
Neither of those were banned under circumstances anywhere close to resembling the recent economic sanctions against Russia. Most notably, the ban on Norinco imports probably wouldn't have happened if said company wasn't actively involved in a sting operation that featured its products being peddled to a federal agent posing as a fucking LA gang member. Can you perhaps understand why the government might still be a smidge salty over that?

And for that matter you can easily get a MAK-90 or MAADI. For under $800.

What I'm saying is, you're not very good at this.

>>34466010
You know, like that thing the republicans did to Obama

>>34466010
Republicans propose: A bill to not-not ban silencers!

>>34464500
Anyone hope it gets amended with a sneaky machine gun or NFA ban repeal in the last second like what those democrat shits did to us in 86?

>>34467624
that would be choice

>>34467341
They gave the evil son of a bitch everything he wanted. Then they funded them. They're STILL funding them. What parallel universe do you live in?

>>34467240
No, it's steel of some sort. The baffles, I believe, are titanium.

>>34467624
Repealing the Hughes' Amendment or somehow repealing the NFA (how an you even imagine this would go unnoticed?) would be cool, but it's not going to happen.

>>34467641
Would you please fuck off, Phil? Go back to jacking it to little boys or whatever other degenerate commie shit you do.

>>34464500
IMHO This needs to be snuck through the way the Hughes Amendment was. Fuck the anti gun faglords the way they fucked us in 86. We're playing by their rules.

>>34464500
If this passes what happens in states that ban suppressors?
I live in california ;_;

>>34467651
We have to try at least.

Lets just do it when the libs are super distracted and busy fighting amonst themselves about race crap or muh gay martiage and then slip this little gem in to get signed.

>>34467902
They should do it on Christmas Eve when most of them are just trying to get home for the holidays.

>>34467892
Nothing unless the bill somehow automatically overrides any state level legislation on silencers which it doesn't. It will still be up to individual states whether or not to allow them.

I WANT MY DAMN WIZARD STAFF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxOg00iocv0

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Repeal the SBR/SBS laws you fucking faggots.

>>34467902
>We have to try at least.
Would be cool to have it done separately, but no one wants to petition someone to come up with a bill they just want to fuck around on whitehouse.gov.

>>34464500
>Silencers Help Us Save Hearing
>"SHUSH Bill"

It's a really stupid name and I hope it fails only because it is such an unbelievably lame name.

>>34469768
Kill yourself

>>34469928
This bill isn't going to pass. It's going to take something like requiring the passing of a 4473 before obtaining a silencer from a FFL before anyone ever allows them to be taken off of the NFA.

>>34469941
No, it won't.

God, you people are such fucking pussies.

>>34469941

Would you not accept the compromise of treating it like a firearm, or do you really think it's going to go from the status of restricted NFA item to being available off the shelf at Wal-Mart?

>>34469978
>Would you not accept the compromise of treating it like a firearm
I would
>do you really think it's going to go from the status of restricted NFA item to being available off the shelf at Wal-Mart?
Not at all.

>>34469967
You're a delusional idiot who doesn't understand politics

>>34469978
>Would you not accept the compromise of treating it like a firearm
I wouldn't be happy with it, no. It isn't a firearm, plain and simple. Would you accept flare guns being considered firearms? Or air rifles? No? Then why a stack of baffles?
>do you really think it's going to go from the status of restricted NFA item to being available off the shelf at Wal-Mart?
Do I think it will? I don't know if it will. I think it should, however.

sure is /pol/ in here...

what is this (actually) going to do to prices?
no memes please

>>34465147
You're a piece of garbage for not telling him the truth

>>34470799
If it passes there will be absolutely no change in cost for a year or so. Everyone and their fucking dog is going to be snatching up cans. Once demand finally dies down, then you'll start seeing the price go down.

>>34465117
>her

>>34470799
nothing

>>34470843
Where did I lie?

>>34465638
Oh, no, all those Fudds with vintage weapons that they don't feel like attaching a suppressor to. How dare they invade your safe space with their muzzle blast?

>>34470860
>nothing
You're an idiot

>>34470915
Companies aren't going to lower prices on suppresors just because you no longer have to pay an extra $200 on top of them and wait 9-12 months to get it.

Prices will remain the same in the beginning because you'll pay it.

Then as more gun scare occur, suppressors will go up in price as will everything else firearms related. They stayed relatively stagnant because they were NFA items and already regulated into the ground.

>HPA or SHUSH Passes
>Prices remain the same
>Poorfags upset
God, poorfags never change.

>>34470593
Not even that bad this thread

>>34470858
The issue with that is the fact they're stupid easy to manufacture. We will absolutely see $100 entry level cans inside of three months.

>>34470940
>in the beginning
Who was talking about the beginning nigger? Prices will shoot up since demand will greatly increase while the supply maintains low. Eventually more suppressors will be made and the larger volume of manufactures and suppressors being sold will lead to a decrease in price. The only reason that they're so expensive right now is because not many, compared to firearms, are being made.

>>34470843
tell the truth then cunt
i want to know too

>>34470973
And they'll be exactly what you'd expect from a $100 starter can. meanwhile the companies with an already established reputation can't keep up with demand.

Personally I thought the HPA was on the right track. Especially since it was merged into that sportsman's bill that REMOVES THE SPORTING PURPOSE CLAUSE and REMOVES LARGE BORE RIFLES FROM DD STATUS

You know, if the Democrats would just back off from the anti-gun stuff, I'd never have any question of who would get my vote.

>>34471205
> if the Democrats would just back off from the anti-gun stuf
Sorrynotsorry, they went all in in '13 and now it's a central pillar of the party platform. You don't forcefeed made up terms like "assault weapons/clips" through your controlled media outlets for years and just back away from that shit. Damn shame they jumped the gun on that (hurrhurr) and instead unintentionally reaffirmed gun control measures as political suicide. They've made their bed and now they must sleep in it.

>>34471205
Same. I agree with most their policies as far as the choice between two evils is concerned, but their gun banning stance turns my stomach. I moved to a heavily conservative state just so I could have my guns because california was such a piss hole.

>>34465044
I mean that's basically what the republicans did for most of obamas presidency.

>>34471321
And what both did during the bush years. Petty politicians blocking any and all legislation just because the other team pushed it has been the norm for twenty years now. I wish all the underage b& would stop pretending like this shit is new or unique to dems. I wish we'd just get rid of the filibuster at this point; the intent behind it was good, but it's so heavily abused that it just needs to die now.

>>34467976
>Nothing unless the bill somehow automatically overrides any state level legislation on silencers which it doesn't. It
it actually does. so does the HPA.

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>treated as a gun
Just make your own then, dipshits.
http://fishgame.com/2015/02/3d-printed-suppressor-video/

inb4 blah blah blah, yeah I know, it ain't the world, it's not top of the range, it's not tested on any higher pressures. Whatever. Open the gates and we'll all be able to figure out new designs.

Alternatively, oil filter suppressors.

>>34471352
My personal favorite underage b& fantasy is when children try to claim that Regan was pro gun. I've literally heard /k/iddos try to blame Clinton for the machine gun ban.

>>34465047
politics 101

make them vote against something popular so you can veat them overvtge head with it come election season

and expend time, resources, and pull by fighting something less important so you can more easily get more imporrant things passed, like healthcare reform

>>34465044
The nuclear option was already deployed to get Gorsuch in. Simple majority is all that's needed now to stop a filibuster.

You retards need to realize the reason republicans aren't doing shit despite controlling every fucking branch is because they get more votes selling liberal boogeyman bullshit than by actually doing their jobs.

>>34471471
I'm just waiting for Trump and/or the Republicans at large to throw us under the bus yet again. IIRC they tried just that with the no-fly list ban, but the Democrats voted against it as not to have their thunder taken away, and I'm pretty sure they never addressed any of the due process concerns in their version of the bill either.

Because firearms are one of the few issues Republicans aren't overly retarded on (at least among major issues) it's become a tool to pander when politically expedient.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but there's almost too much of a coincidence with the Bernout shooting causing the HPA/ SHARE Act to be postponed indefinitely. Few years back the ASA were working with the ATF because they were drowning in NFA paperwork floor to ceiling. There was gonna be a major industry and ATF push to move cans to Title 1, and possibly SBRs.

But then the day before the hearings were supposed to occur Sandy Hook happened, and Obama's state department told ATF to shut it all down.

>>34471471
if reagan didnt get the fopa passed we'd be fighting to get semi autos and handguns back instead of fighting to get silencers back.

reagan wasnt 100% gun friendly by any stretch but he was better than every administration before him.

You commies keep coming in here and using reagans mistakes on gun rights to slander what was the last great president with a legacy of freedom because of your enduring butthurt over Reagan making your idealogical sacred cow collapse into a pile of red rust.

>>34471594
>I'm just waiting for Trump and/or the Republicans at large to throw us under the bus yet again. IIRC they tried just that with the no-fly list ban, but the Democrats voted against it as not to have their thunder taken away, and I'm pretty sure they never addressed any of the due process concerns in their version of the bill either.

this kids, is the result of letting the union guy that mops the floors or restocks the cornflakes dabble in politics.

>>34471594
I will pay you money to never post anything ever again.

>>34465600
It's not autistic screeching. Autism is what we do. What they do is narcissistic screeching.

>>34465374
I'd rather have a VSS Vintorez

>>34471631
That's quite the combination of assumptions there with no actual point. Here's the bill I'm referring to https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/06/21/senators-seek-bipartisan-deal-ban-gun-sales-people-no-fly-list/86177884/

If you have something to actually add be my guest. I'm looking for the actual text of that bill specifically, but to me it looks like a lot of Republicans were quite ready to throw due process out the window and started some Dem infighting.

>>34471662
I'm fine but thanks, have anything to actually add to the conversation?

>>34471689
Of course even if we get this passed, the new and improved Russia ban fucks that up. Goddammit, why must they shit on our dreams?

>>34471594
>defiling the God Emperor's name
Fuck off Commie. Trump will only do good things for us, it's the Neocon degenerate sympathizing scum in congress who we have to worry about.

>>34471720
Maybe a fine American company like IO or Century can pick up the slack. Just imagine a VSS VintoRAS.

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>>34471720
You could've prevented this by electing someone who wasn't a dumbass clown.

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>>34471761
>>>/plebbit/

>>34471781
Literally who? The ones I liked before the primaries did not get the nomination in any party.

>>34471770
I'd love it.

Although I'm sure it would only be available with a polymer stock and with rails.

>>34467828
>Not an argument

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>>34471602
Reagan can suck my dick, you have to be delusional to think he was pro-gun beyond muh fuddshit
t. gommie

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>>34471761
I await any real progress on restoring firearm rights or something deserving of merit.

On the no-fly list there were multiple competing amendments to the Commerce, Justice and Science appropriations bill which is making it harder to track down the actual text to go through but the one I was thinking about was John Cornyn's (R-Texas) proposal.

>would allow the attorney general to delay suspected terrorists from getting a gun for up to 72 hours while seeking a court order to stop the sale.

>But it would also let the attorney general delay the sale of a gun to anyone who has been the subject of a terror investigation within the past five years

The former is the same maximum delay on NICS checks barring a denial, but the later is certainly guilty until proven innocent. So while bad not only were some democrats and other Republicans supporting it, the rest of the Dem's got behind Fienstien in an even worse version of that amendment. So while the Republicans at large voted against the various amendments plenty were willing to breakdown due-process for political points in my opinion.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/283822-senate-schedules-votes-on-gun-control

>>34471761
Yeah, no. He's at best been mildly positive, so fuck off back to /pol/ or plebbit or whatever pre-2016 normie shithole you came from. We'll judge him on his actions, not whatever faggy promises you're banking on.

>>34471835
>implyign sandniggers and degenerates have rights
Wrong.
>>34471850
>fu-fuck off back to /po!
You have to go back.
>inb4 'Waaaaah /pol is reddit now!'
/pol has never been reddit and never will be faggot. Fuck off you slimy fucking communist, Trump is the best president we've had. He doesn't give a fuck about 'muh constitutions doh', and he's willing to do what it takes to make America great again.
8 more years libshit.

>>34471781
>Implying Cruz would have lifted the sanction
He would have out Molot on the list just like every other politician.

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>>34471884
Stale. 1/10

>>34467902
Just have Trump tweet another gif so they spend a week shitting themselves over that while the Hughes repeal works its way through the system.

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>>34471884
>It's perfectly okay to deny constitutional rights to individuals including US Citizens without due process

Ok then. Consider for a moment the budget committee in California rammed through an amendment that would make having a felony warrant a defecto firearms and ammo prohibition.

This means you can have a warrant issued for your arrest, instantly lose your constitutional rights without knowing it or any notion of due process. Further more let's say you get acquitted or otherwise have any and all charges dropped for whatever reason, you can then technically be retroactively charged with illegally possessing firearms or ammo and slapped with another felony.

>>34471935
I think that's the one good thing our Cheeto in Chief is good for; Making the news outlets freak out and spend two weeks covering Typos and stupid bullshit he posts while ignoring actual politics.

>>34471948
That's one reason why I can't figure out if he's a complete moron or a total genius. Really could go either way.

>>34471711
>If you have something to actually add be my guest
Since you seem to be completely up your own asshole, allow me to present a readily-known refutation to your travel-ban bill argument that's been irrelevant for 10 months now.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-aligns-with-nra-on-watch-lists-and-guns-1475003335

Trump later changed his mind after consultation with the NRA, the bill failed, and Dems are still by far and away more likely to vote against your gun rights than Trump or the GOP. Take your concern-trolling bullshit elsewhere.
>>34471835
> or something deserving of merit.
I wouldn't expect you to comprehend why SCOTUS is important. Nor would I expect you to cover his push for nation CC reciprocity.

>>34464785
>supply goes up
>price goes up
Take an Econ class

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>>34471850
>He's at best been mildly positive
>We'll judge him on his actions
Apparently not.

>>34471885
You're wrong.
Cruz isn't a bumbling idiot.

He has said before he would rather work towards putting missile defenses on bordering countries instead of wasting his time with sanctions which barely affected Russia the first time.

>>34471959

>demand goes up higher than supply
you're forgetting that part

>>34471977
>Not a bumbling idiot
>Wants to use escalating force instead of economic sanctions.
C'mon

>>34471594
> IIRC they tried just that with the no-fly list ban, but the Democrats voted against it
Hahahaha what?
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=114&session=2&vote=00106

>>34471957
>Subscribe to read full story
Welp, mind posting the section that talks about John Coryn's proposal or anything else that's relevant?

CCW reciprocity hasn't happened yet, and as other's have pointed out Republican's are quick to support bills to appeal to pro-2A folks but they are certainly lacking in actions to actually pass such legislation as has been demonstrated. I will say Gorsuch is a nice appointment to SCOTUS, and I'm well aware of how import the court is, so cred where credit is due. The pressing issue is there are still no actual results that have had direct impact, and until Ginsberg and Kennedy are out there probably won't be.

>>34472014
I'm referring to Jonn Coryn's amendment, the one you linked is Fiensteins.

>>34471594
>le trump/gop will take ur gunz just like demz meme
i want the noguns plebbitor crossposters to leave

>>34472071
But they will. Politicians are universally untrustworthy scumbags who are only in it for themselves. They don't want the plebs having guns; THey want to make guns a priviledge and not a right every American citizen has, regardless of what their public persona is. They are all leeches, and they are all universally bad. Politicians do not deserve support or approval, only disdain and reminders of their place as administrators and slaves to the People.

>>34472105
I had a good, long reply to your own reply in >>34472036, but now I see you're either an edgy teen or just a (you) fisher and not worthy of it. You can lick my taint either way. Toodles.

>>34471991
Sanctions literally do not work.
Here is the list of all the sanctions against Russia just regarding the Ukrainian crisis:
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/sanctions/ukraine-crisis/history-ukraine-crisis/

Yet, to get to Crimea today, you still have to go through Moscow.

Economically they've barely been affected by the sanctions. The instability of the rouble correlates almost entirely with the price of oil (the largest component of their economy)) which has been shitting itself all over the world. Russia knows this, and that's why they're not budging.

I'm sure if a groid broke into your house you'd be the type of limp wristed faggot to ask him to please leave 500 times before considering arming yourself.

>>34472115
>everyone is the same person
Fuck off, Statist cunt. Politicians are supposed to be slaves to their citizen's will, not rulers.
Also,
>toodles
What are you, a passive aggressive fagboy?

>>34472036
>it's another "Trump hasn't done X and it's BEEN A WHOLE HALF YEAR SINCE HE GOT IN so it's clearly never happening for the remaining 7.5 years" poster
Back to the Brock Bin you go goy

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>>34464500
This bill has a snowball's chance in hell of passing, and you all know it. Stop jerking off.

>>34471984
You're forgetting the part where the market increases the supply to meet up the demand, stabilizing the price point.

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>>34472145
>zed

>>34472140
>straw manning this hard

>>34472121
And what does this have to do with the Molot ban or guns? He wouldn't have repealed the existing sanctions from Obama due to "muh Russian meddling" (you know they had that waiting for anyone the Republicans ran) and VEPRs were banned under the existing sanctions. There is no political reality where VEPRs aren't banned.

>>34472140
>7.5 years
Post disregarded, chicken counting before eggs are hatched is foolish and the only people who post this are people baiting for libtard tears.

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>>34472156
>Anonymous
Months from now...

>Zed: "Hey, you remember that silencer bill that you were all circlejerking to? Yeah, I was right. Never passed"
>Anon: "OMG HOO CARE THAT THRED WAS MONTHS AGO MAH ATTENSHUN SPAN IS LITERALLY POCKET LINT"
>Zed: "Mhm."

>This bill won't pass, if it even makes it to the floor for a vote
>Anyone who says the Dems and Rupubs mean the same thing for gun rights is a literal shill trying to peddle FUDD as concern
>Even if the bill did pass you wouldn't see dick for at least year, during which time you could have applied for a can stamp and been approved
These are the inconvenient truths of this thread

>>34472146
You're forgetting the part where there isn't a magic goose shitting out silencers and manufacturers have to buy machinery and hire workers which will instead increase the prices, then stay there because dumbass will buy them anyways.

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>>34467642
>russian
>titanium

>>34472244
It's probably the US made one.

>>34464785
>I don't like other people having fun and I don't understand economics

>>34472171
First of all, the likelyhood of the Russian scare working against anyone but Trump would have been zero. The issue was made a big deal because Trump had several staffers fired due to contact with Russians and the dumbass doing everything possible to look guilty.

Second, I told you already Cruz stated he didn't like the extensions or expansions of the Obama sanctions. He wanted to focus his attention towards Eastern European missile defenses. If Russian hacking had somehow become a big deal under his administration too, that would've been his next step, so no VEPR ban.

Furthermore, let's be real here.
Crimea isn't an economic powerhouse and Putin doesn't give a shit about "ethnic Russians". The ONLY reason Russia wants Crimea is to increase their military capabilities by retaining access to the ports they lost after Maidan.
If you give them the choice of offsetting that by building bases around them or having them leave voluntarily, they would leave, and the sanctions would go away.

>>34465275
Trump could either be a bitch and condone molot suppling the Russian army in Ukraine, or just let them get off free.
I love my AKs, but fuck Russia for that.

>>34472352
Ok. VEPR ban would still be in place though because like I said, Molot put themselves under it by funnelling AKs for KC. There was no extension.

As for Trump's staffer firings, that was all normal contact regarding US government business. Flynn made Pence look dumb so he got fired, that's about the worst legitimate thing that happened. The rest is literally made up fake news. Therefore, being fake news, they would have pinned it on anyone. Especially Cruz for saying he doesn't want the sanctions.

>>34472244
Are you an idiot, or what?

>>34472352
>the dumbass doing everything possible to look guilty.
yeah senpai, that Syria airstrike just punctuated all those CNN claims, clearly the left wasn't ready to just smack that half-assed conspiracy onto anyone who seated himself in the oval office chair that didn't have a (D) next to their name on CSPAN

>>34472352
>the likelyhood of the Russian scare working against anyone but Trump would have been zero.
Except just about all of the claims used to perpetuate the scare are unfounded with no evidence whatsoever, and are frequently undermined by Trump's actions in Syria and, more recently, Poland. If your manufactured scandal has little to no actual bearing to begin with, it can be applied universally. You're a fool if you think the Democrats weren't waiting to dump it, or something very similar, on anyone who wasn't Hillary.

>>34472380
You're right, for some reason I thought VEPR was part of new sanctions, not from a willing doing business with KC. Regardless, the fact that they would do that despite knowing they would be affected is further proof that sanctions don't work.

Flynn also wasn't the only one. Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, and Carter Page all were deeply embroiled in the controversy, hyping up this red scare.

>>34472388
>>34472414
Syrian strike came with a warning for the Russians. Trump has been flaunting ethics norms for no real reason. This stuff isn't fake news.

And how would it stick when Cruz was calling for escalations instead of saying "we should be friends with Russia"?

>>34472145
>Republican house
>Republican senate
>Republican President
>Republican supreme court
Explain please. Not being condescending, I genuinely want to know your reasoning

>>34472666
>Trump has been flaunting ethics norms for no real reason. This stuff isn't fake news.
You literally sound like a CNN tweet, pardon us if we don't give a flying shit if a bunch of media giants with a god complex don't get the respect they haven't deserved since Cronkite quit.
>And how would it stick when Cruz was calling for escalations instead of saying "we should be friends with Russia"?
>The only thing this smear campaign needs to stick is saying you don't want to endlessly antagonize Russia in a fit of Cold War nostalgia
By your own admission the scare is weak and the Dems were just looking for any excuse to use it.

>>34472666
>Trump has been flaunting ethics norms for no real reason.
call me when he actually breaks any laws, thx

>>34472666
>Not killing Russian soldiers and starting a war is 'flaunting ethics norms'

>>34472666
>Trump has been flaunting ethics norms for no real reason
Oh no. Stop. The horror.

>>34472709
Gotta keep something to string along one issue voters.

>>34472192
Every machine shop has a lathe. If even a small fraction of them start selling suppressors, that's a huge surge in supply.

>>34472666
>norms
Seeing as his whole campaign revolved around not acting like a typical politician, why is this surprising and, more importantly, why should I even begin to care?

I just want my foreign made funs coming into this country again instead of being smashed up by gun buyback programs around the world. Pls Trump, make it happen

I know it won't happen the way I imagine it, but a man can dream

>>34471956
Smart but somewhat impulsive. Occasionally he comes out with some dumb shit but he just moves on to something else or makes it into a joke before anyone can't start calling him on it. If you want moron I would refer you to Jeb! aka worlds tallest doormat.

>>34471956
> I can't figure out if he's a complete moron
Anyone even entertaining that notion is a CNN-slurping drone, so maybe reassess your life a bit there, anon.

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>>34471781
>"MMMM MACHINE GUN BACON"
>fires semi-auto
God I hate politicians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaZGaJrd3x8

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>>34472145
Trump had a snowball's chance in hell of winning and now he's literally shitposting memes from inside the oval office. Also this >>34472709

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>>34472709
>republic = pro-gun
pfpfffffffFHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>34473678
That was worse than when Obama went clay shooting after sandy hook.

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Dont have dogs.

>>34472192
You're forgetting the part where competition drives the price down, and any schmuck with a lathe can churn out baffles and a tube without even breaking a sweat

>>34464500
List of democratic senators who may be willing to push shush through.
Jon Tester | Senator for Montana
Up for re-election 2018

Martin Heinrich | Senator for New Mexico
Up for re-election 2018

Heidi Heitkamp | North Dakota
Up for re-election 2018
More unknown, has voted pro-gun before.

Joe Manchin | West Viginia
Up for re-election 2018
Rated A by the NRA, that means jack shit call him and make sure he knows this bill is wanted.

Joe Donnelly | Indiana
Up for re-election 2018
Looks to be Pro gun, he is from Indiana so he should be able to vote yes without political suicide

Longshot:
Bob Casey Jr. | Pennsylvania
Up for re-election 2018

If you want to pressure this bill through the democrats are who need focusing. If you are a resident of one of the states mentioned put pressure on your senators.

>>34465044
Congress has enough to cloture

>>34471367
Those fleshlights don't look very fun

>>34474562
>>34474562
was that supposed to be funny?

>>34471822
You have to be delusional to think that any left wing government in history was pro gun.

>>34464500
So when I email my congressmen later today, which bill do I tell them to vote for? HPA or SHUSH?

>>34464500
I worry about a false flag. Then again, the last few big shootings haven't stopped it yet.
I don't have a dog in the fight when it comes to suppressors, but I'd love to see it pass.

>>34464962
My worry is they will settle with removing the silencer part to get the rest past and say its a win.

>>34472175
Fuck off callum this isn't about you.
And these bills fail to pass every single time.
No one is going to remember Favorable NFA modification bill#1001 when there's another thousand just like it that died in the water like this one did.

>>34470860
I swear every post that isnt showing a vagina some faggot will >her thats a fucking girl look at that jaw line and skull shape

Suppressor bill is going to be law. You know why?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/07/02/gemtech-sold-smith-wesson/

Smith & Wesson is a publicly traded company. Guess who owns a lot of stocks? Congressmen. S&W stock would increase with Gemtech sales going through the roof due to suppressors getting unfucked.

It's all about money. Manufacturers are hurting because of dropping sales, stores are hurting because of sales, and they need something to boost numbers and reintroducing something that hasn't been readily available will do that.

Many of you were kids or not born when the AWB sunset kicked in. Shit was fucking crazy overnight. That injection kept a lot of places from going out of business that were being sucked dry thanks to Clinton.

>>34471781
Name one.

>>34469978
I personally would be happy with them regulated like simple firearms.

I firmly believe that regardless of their regulatory status, total homicides in the country won't budge by more than 1-5%, basically the same variation that happens year to year anyway.

Of course the percentage of homicides committed with suppressors might increase, but there is no moral difference between a homicide committed with a suppressor vs. one without.

Anyone who claims that more people are going to be murdered is operating under the assumption that there is some group of people right now who chose not to murder simply because they don't have a suppressor. That assumption is false.

>>34477477
This gives me hope. S&W is a decently large company, and the considering that there are hundreds of millions of firearms, I think we can conservatively estimate at least a few million in suppressor sales given the passage of deregulating laws.

Lets just say 1 million sales in the first two years, at $500 per suppressor, that is half a billion dollars in sales. Talk about big business. There are more than 1 million US gun owners, and I imagine the vast majority of them would buy at least one suppressor. We could be talking 1 billion in sales in the first year alone.

>>34477477
>Many of you were kids or not born when the AWB sunset kicked in

Did that sunset in 03 or 04???

>>34478503

04

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>mfw all the integrally suppressed .22 pistols that will hit shelves if this passes

>>34473083
Underrated.

>>34464785
If anything this will open up the market and you'll get some manufacturers who will make cheap ones. Don't forget the air fliter ones.

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>>34472175

go piss up a rope please

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Muh benis

>>34477477
So if money is the reason, why is a mg repeal not being pushed?

>>34473882
LOL

>>34465044
>11 replies
10/10 bait

>>34472192
So essentially worst case scenario, in the short term, availability will be similar to what it is now. There will be a wait like there is now. Okay now subtract ATF regulations, paper work, and the wait time that this bill would cause. At worst the wait times would even out to similar to where they are now. You are literally arguing in favor of the short term which would be no worse than it currently is at the cost of a longer term where suppressors are infinitely easier and cheaper to acquire. Good job mouth breather.

>>34472244

What are you talking about?
Russia has huge deposits of titanium.

They literally can't afford socks, but natural resources are natural resources.

>>34480926

Money.

Because you have thousands of rich people (aka political donors) that have legal MG's that would see values plummet overnight if the peasants got MG's.

Suppressors are different because they wear out, they're not expensive in the first place, etc. Same with SBR's.

Easier way would be having a modern firearms equivalent of the C&R for people wanting to own modern machine guns, and they'd still be subject to law letters/etc unless they had the SOT/manufacturing shit too.

>>34480926
Baby steps.

Once the suppressor rush runs out, mgs will be the next big thing.

>>34471720
>Goddammit, why must they shit on our dreams?
I only have a messed up link and a word: Hope
dot fag book dot com slash SlaggaMFG slash questionmark refid=13

>SHUSH will remove federal regulation
What are the chances Illinois will follow suit when having banned a now totally legal item seems arbitrary? I figure California and New York don't care about jurisprudence enough to unban them just because the feds stopped regulating the item.

>>34465026

Three problems:

1. The Trump administration is ridiculously incompetent. I mean, these jokers could fuck up a ham sandwich. Romney or McCain could have easily ushered this through

2. Only 52 Republicans in the senate. If the dems fillibuster, there may not be enough red state dems who will cross over to advance it.

3. With everything else going on legislatively, there will be little interest in this bill outside of the hardcore gun community (read:/k/ and similar places).