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If I put a warden on my SFMB, will recoil be about on-par with bare muzzle?

Whats the best .177 air rifle?

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Situation: when I go shooting at the range (100-300 yards), I need a binoculars or a scope so I can see my groupings. I am cheap, and don't need anything special.

1) what would be the best magnification to get?
2) what benefits, for this task, do monoculars have? Binoculars?

>>34462543
45x magnification works fine for me. Get a monocular; a binocular isn't going to have enough magnification to see your groupings effectively.

Who(brand) makes AR copper bristles for cleaning the upper receiver that don't fall apart on the first use like Hoppes brand does?

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>>34461379
Where's a good place online to buy a stock for my Mossberg Supermarket Shooter Special for cheap?

>>34462543
Go to your nearby gander mountain of it's going out of business like mine. For once you can buy things for cheaper than online there.

I picked up a nice Bushnell a few weeks ago for $100

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Why does Centerfire Systems require you to be over 21 to purchase shit from them?
Trying to buy a longarm through them, what happens if i just check the over 21 box?
Visit from the doggo removal squad? Nothing? I'm old enough to buy longarms, and have done many FFL transfers in the past, what gives?

>>34463187
It's their own policy, not a law. Lying to them isn't a crime. They're not the ones doing the transfer anyway. Check the "over 21" box, they'll send it to your FFL, and that's the end of their involvement. They won't know you're under 21 as it doesn't affect them.

what the value of a first gen tlr1 from before they started making them 300 lumens?

>>34463296
Probably close to $50. A brand new TLR-3 is $100 new.

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Were the "issues" with EO tech really that bad?
Have they been worked out?
What other holographic should i look at as an alternative?

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>>34463279
Appreciate it, Anon.

>>34463321
thats roughly what i figured. now i dont have to feel bad about permanently modifying it.

>>34463380
What'd you do to it?

If a FFL has a pre-1899 gun on their books how can they take them off the books?

>>34463346


Aimpoint.

Holoshit for aesthetic wannabe fags.

>>34461379
I just pulled out mine... i think it's extra adhesive. I barely have any. It shouldn't affect functionality.

>>34463382
going to paint it and chop off one of the levers since it snags

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Can someone explain how to set this and also explain its purpose? The dial moves this piece left or right. It came a little bit to the right.

>>34463418
lets you adjust windage on the rear sight. much easier and convenient than a front sight tool. generally found on rpks

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Anyone here from SA that know's any good places to practice drills and such in/around the city? I'm tired of all these ranges with their 2-5 second shot rules and nardis only has one actual competition a month.

>>34462197

Gamo silent cat for break barrel

Benjamin maurader for pcp

>not using. 22 instead of .177

>>34463346
some people say they lose zero or wander from regular use, not sure as to the veracity of the claims but I've heard it from multiple people

>>34461379
any online places sell 9mm for under 21? I'm using it in my carbine and none of the fudds around me will sell to a 20 year old

>>34463638
I always buy from SG Ammo and they've never asked me for ID.

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What was the standard LMG for the British military serving alongside the L1A1? I know the Bren was still used, but did they convert it to 7.62x51 NATO so they could share ammunition with the riflemen, or was a different LMG used?

I wanna buy my first AR. $700 budget. What should I get?
I'm thinking about a S&W mp15 sport

>>34463673
sg ammo has a checkbox
its about as effective as the you must be over 18 for porn sites but you are still supposed to be over 21 to buy pistol ammo

>>34463638
Bulk Ammo. I buy all the time with no ID requirments. Shipping never requires signature either. As long as your not in lib shit scypum hole use Bulk.

>>34463747
Just check the box. There is no legal definition of "pistol ammo", and the penalty only applies to the FFL. You aren't doing anything illegal by lying to them or buying the ammo.

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>>34463727
L7 (FN MAG)

>>34463890
Thank you, Anon. I don't know why it was so hard for me to find.

>>34463383
Deac the firearm through ATF-prescribed methods, or take a lil trip to that lake and have yourself a convenient accident.

Aren't pre-1899 firearms not legally constituted as "firearms?"

>>34464088
yes they aren't, that's why I'm asking
also
" Q: But what if I find a pre-1899 gun at a gun shop that was mistakenly logged into the
dealer's "bound book" of post-1899 firearms? Won’t I have to fill out a Form 4473
(yellow form)?

A: No. All the dealer has to do is log the gun out as: "Inadvertent entry. Pre-1899
manufactured receiver. No FFL required." (If the dealer gives you any grief and insists on
the yellow form, a call to any ATF branch office will confirm this.) "

https://www.empirearms.com/pre-1899.htm

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Crossposted from /diy/:

What kind of tactical shit do people buy that I could DIY? I'm too bashful to enjoy mallninja junk but I would be more than willing to tailor tacvests or make holsters out of duct tape or even manufacture night sights (I have lots of leftover glow-in-the-dark material and sights are mechanically simple objects).

Do people buy that kind of stuff from cottage industry people, or is the overlap between Etsy and ArfCom negligible?

Because at my latest trip to the army-navy surplus and mallninja swag store, I noticed that they have a bin of commercially produced paracord bracelets for fucking SIX WHOLE DOLLARS each for not even a full foot of cordage, as if making them by the foot from dollar store paracord/gun line isn't something to do at your desk while idle. but their tool section was mostly rusted out junk (that they admitted to me that has mostly been there since the store opened) and even their knives were mostly Cold Steel style junk.

tl:dr; Is there space for cottage industry and DIY-ery in gun culture, or is it all Cold Steel this and Magpul that?

>>34462588
>45x magnification
i-is this a thing that exists

i fucking want it for lookout duty on ships

>>34464238
theres space just look at all the custom holster makers, the thing is your product has to be good, a ductape holster or shitty sights with glow in the dark paint wont cut it.

>>34463760
I'm in WA, does that men anything? I looked around our state laws but i couldnt find anything

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>>34464238
Cartridge holders, pouches, slings, bandoliers, side saddles, chest rigs... there is a lot that im sure you could make that people would pay for. I myself wouldn't mind seeing some different rigs and vests produced, as I am not really into the tacticool MOLLE pouch systems and such. I prefer good canvas and leather accessories. The combloc countries were good at making such items, check out the chicom chest rigs and ak pouches for ideas, also "pattern 70" from South Africa. I would like to see a good thick canvas 12 gauge shell bandolier. Maybe im a small market though.

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just saw this for sale for $750. My heart says to buy it immediately, but my bank account says no. what do

cool /k/ shops for a UK fag? I exclusively buy stuff off hennie and amazon UK looking to expand

>>34464813
What does your dick say?

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Have any of you guys used Oak Hill Guns before? How was it?

I've only used buds and gun genie and haven't touched any other online vendors so far so I'm a little hesitant on trying them out.

>>34464813
Put that shit on layaway. Or get a credit card. $750 is a fucking steal.

>>34464967
>>34464813
Actually, scratch that. Is that the actual picture of the gun listing you saw? Because a reverse image search shows it appearing in different ads/auctions. My guess is the Guns America auction where it was listed for $1800 was legit, and the scammer just stole the pictures and is trying to con you.

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>>34463445
plz rspnd

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What's the point of derringers?

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>>34464903
you know well and good what my dick says.
>>34465000
shit, really? I'm seeing it on alaskaslist

>>34464269
Spotting scopes. 60x are common. Using it for area scan would be fucking awful, but using it specifically to look for tiny little variations in a target makes ultra high magnification useful.

>>34464315
just buy a box and see what happens. You're not breaking any laws by buying it.

>>34465205
Yeah, the guy has it listed on classifieds in Alaska, Utah, Florida, Arizona. It seems like a scam.

This is the original listing:
https://www.gunauction.com/buy/14439336

I want to get a Bond Arms BullPup9 as my first EDC/CC.
Is this retarded?
I have a hard on for bull pup styling... other guns are deer rifle, dirty harry revolver and 22s.

>>34465835
if you can afford the gun, afford to lose the gun, and afford the more expensive ammo needed to run the gun go for it.

>>34465877
Isnt 9m fairly cheap these days?
Beats the 44 mag I am buying.

Cost isnt really an issue, more concerned with quality and ease to shoot.

>>34465917
that gun needs crimped bullets or the bullets separate in the mag and fuck everything up. this means you have to buy higher quality 9mm not the cheapest shit possible.

>>34465917
Its incredibly finnicky with what ammo it feeds

>>34465970
I had heard that too.
As long as it is consistent with good ammo that seems alright to me.

More concerned if the recoil is going to be a bitch, or accuracy suck.

... I must already be too sold on it as I am defending too hard.

Can anyone recommend me a good iwb holster for my Ruger LC9? First time concealed carrier here.

>>34463462
o7 What's the best .22 then?

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>>34462707

>>34466078
Benjamin maurader in .22 for pcp kek

Or gamo whisper fusion pro for a break barrel

>>34462788
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ONE-BLACK-MOSSBERG-500-535-590-835-12GA-FACTORY-TAKEOFF-STOCK-NEW-/352103195542?hash=item51fafc6396:g:U0IAAOSwCkZZWCKD
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOSSBERG-500-12-GAUGE-WOOD-STOCK-USED-/201970669224?hash=item2f0663d6a8:g:HHwAAOSwFJBZVmS~
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ONE-BLACK-MOSSBERG-500-535-590-835-12GA-FACTORY-TAKEOFF-STOCK-NEW-/352103193795?hash=item51fafc5cc3:g:7JwAAOSwstJZWCBo
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufacturers/500-41910/StocksForends-34119.htm?results=All

>>34463383
this
>>34464114

>>34463445
maybe you shouldn't abbreviate what you're asking about. might attract more attention from your countrymen.

>>34465115
tiny, cheap and sturdy

>>34465115
>click
>BOOM
>click
>BOOM

>>34463445

Look into an IDPA or 3-gun club. Whenever they meet for practice they do all sorts of stuff the range doesn't normally allow. They're usually an alright bunch, but they can be assholes when it comes to safety since a bad mishap can get them kicked out of a range or whatever.

Is gunbot down for anyone else? I keep getting 403 and 404 errors.

Can you fit 3 pmags in these or only 2?
More importantly, if you put three in can you get them out easily?

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>>34466727
Forgot pic...

>>34466743
Reasonable question for GQ. I've heard conflicting things. Some say if you want three, only USGI fit. Other says that Gen3 Pmags will fit.

>>34466727
i have trouble getting pmags to fit in most pouches meant for stanag

>>34466279
it's down

>>34466743
you can fit 3 but they have to be floorplate up and its a barely closing the lid deal. if you have the covers its not going to close.

>>34466743
I would say probably not feed side up considering the large base of the PMAG though they may not fit at all.

>>34466782
>>34466806
>>34466848
>>34466855
Thanks all, I'll probably go with the usgi mags then.

Are Okay manufacturing mags decent?
>inb4 they're ok

>>34466925
you shouldnt buy mags just so you can use a horrible pouch

>>34466727
>>34466743
i really wanted to help you out bc i have one of those pouches. ive just searched high and low and cant find that little fucker. sorry.

>>34466967
I know, I'll probably come to my senses eventually

>>34466982
No prob, thanks

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What about revolvers makes them sexier than automatics? Is it the curves? The power? The shiny hefty steel?

My old shotgun isn't ejecting, I replaced the extractors and springs but to no avail. File them into shape? Stronger springs?

>>34464269
the old fudds where I grew up had 50X scopes for white tail out in the bean fields. I always thought that was retarded as shit, since that was to much for a .243, .270, or even .30-06.

a better scope for that size is something from 15X-40X variable. just for size/weight. I think those old bastards were creepy serial killer types that got hard seeing the face of a deer that never knew what hit them.

actually so do I, wonder what that says about me?

>>34467476
What model is it?
Some older break actions didn't have ejectors and required you to pull the shells the rest of the way out.

>>34464238
ikeachestrig.jpg

>>34464813
DO you want to support the TERRORIST ANON???!!! DO YOU????!!! if so buy it

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>>34465658
sheeeiiiiiit honky

>>34465079
well wtf does SA stand for retard?

how much would it cost to have someone professionally build me a tec 9 in 10mm?

Should I get a pistol or a revolver for my first gun? I live in Cali.

My friends say revolvers are shit but Ive always wanted one. Also considering buying a CA legal USP in 9mm instead, or should I get a Shield?

My interest is mainly target shooting at the range for fun, don't really plan on doing anything else with it since its Cali and you could never really use it for self defense without getting fucked in the ass.

Not really interested in a glock BTW.

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>>34461379
Should I get a subcaliber adapter for my AR instead of buying a new gun?

Seems neat but I'm wondering if there are any obvious downsides other than having to swap it out and clean extra good because of the leading.

>>34468642
really depends on why you want it. if you just want to shoot 22lr plenty of rimfire guns are straight up cheaper than the conversion kit like a model60 or 795 and they will out shoot that conversion.
however if this is vs a sw m&p15-22 and youve already got an ar might as well get the conversion.
really depends on how much you love the ars form

>>34468605
I'd say go for a semi-auto first since revolvers aren't in danger of falling off of the handgun roster any time soon.

Make sure to budget for at least 2 or 3 cases of ammo for each caliber you're interested in and buy them all within the year. Although there is a glimmer of hope that that background check for ammo will fall flat you will be kicking yourself for not stocking up if things don't go our way.

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How do braces compare to actual stocks as far as shouldering comfort and stability goes?

Would there be any realistic difference between the stock and brace in pic related to warrant dealing with the gubmint to get a SBR instead of keeping it as a "pistol"?

>>34468655
Live in a cuck state and my ar is a spook gun, fees and taxes would eat up a lot of the cost.

You are right though, actually thinking about the cost, simply buying a used 10-22 would probably make more sense

>>34468736
I've shot the older style sigbrace kind and it seemed perfectly stable. I kind of want that shockwave*?* style one but I haven't seen how that one acts.

>>34468538
A shitload. I got quoted 12k plus possible incidental expenses by DAF for a Jatimatic in plain 9mm. Tec-9 surely can't stand up to 10mm so you'd probably need reengineering.

>>34468698
USP it is then, fuck this shitty state.

Picked up a Beretta 92FS today, it's not locking back on last round.

Is it the ammo I'm shooting (factory reloads) or something else? I have 3 factory magazines and all have the same issue.

>>34468795
does it lock back if you insert an empty mag and rack it manually?
if it doesnt do this its probably the gun.

have you shot it with real ammo thats not reloads?

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If I got a tax stamp could a gunsmith make my Walther .22 using a SBR, if so how much would it cost?

>>34468795
It could be your ammo if it's reloaded light.
Here'd be my order of things
1 - Try different ammo
2 - Inspect the slide catch for damage
3 - Replace slide catch spring

I doubt it'd be a mag or follower issue if you're experiencing it on all 3 factory mags.

>>34468795
also make sure its not you.
barring some factory fuckup like a spring missing or being installed wrong its probably you.
or the ammo reloads do fucky things.

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>>34464813
Yes, buy it you filthy goy

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What's the Colt Woodsman for the contemporary shooter who doesn't want to spend 2k on an old, used .22 pistol?
Also why did Colt commit suicide? It seems like everyone wants their old guns but they make garbage nobody asked for instead.

>>34469125
It's cheaper to crop out ARs than make quality guns.

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>>34469125
Browning Buck Mark
Military contracts > Civilian bullshit

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Should I get a Glock 19 with a top tier aftermarket trigger, match barrel, and steel sights or a SIG P229? They end up being the same price.
[my opinions follow, feel free to disregard]
I like that I can hold down the hammer while holstering the SIG but I'm not sure how I feel about DA/SA vs striker fired beyond that. The Glock trigger I want is really good travel and break wise but as a carry trigger I can't safely have it as light as the SIG's SA trigger. Ergonomics are a wash really, both fit my hand and point well despite beind so different grip and bore axis wise. The one thing I can't test is balance once I put a light on because the range bully won't let me. Finally I like that I can put pretty wood grips on the SIG, but I'm not sure if I can get a finish that will match the steel slide to the aluminum frame anyways, which makes me almost favor the Glock's look for being more intentionally disparate. I know I could spend less on the Glock but I refuse to compromise.

>>34461379
For the tritium to have the brightest glow, the housing is coated in white paint.
The "white stuff" you see is that paint.

>>34469432
Would that be lead paint then? Because radiation? Or am I retarded?

Why the fuck can't I find the Prvi Partizan 8mm FMJ-BT 198gr anywhere?

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Asked in GQ no reply

https://youtu.be/mfBtq6zX1ww

What is the consensus on integrated packs?

I built one with a molle 2 radio pack, an ALICE rig and some paracord.

Great hunting rig as you dont have to take your gear off and make a ton of movement

>don't have to fight off buddy's back
>pertenant gear can be easily put on back
>just as easily accessed
>aforementioned means a rig can be flat to the ground unlike double stack mags

The us army haversack in 1930 was the last great example and then militaries stopped using them.

Why?

>>34462707
Try otis

is a shotgun better for home defense then a rifle?

gonna buy a gun for someone as a gift
when i go to buy it, do i need to """"pretend"""" i am buying it for myself

Also for new gun owner, should I buy her the following:
springfield XD
beretta92fs
CZ 75 sp01

or something else

>>34469576
source on the pic????

>>34469423
The P229 is a much better gun overall. With the riced Glock you'll have a decent gun with a few super good parts. If you do want the Glock you should just do a full rice custom build to Glock specification with basically no Glock parts.
Safety options are all personal preference but I can say with certainty that ten pounds is greater than five and nobody handles any tool perfectly all of the time.

>>34469813
CZ imo. Very soft recoil due to the slide riding inside the frame.

>>34469469
I looked it up because I was curious as to how one could have something that glowed for ten years without getting cancer from it. The glow is not caused by the tritium itself, but instead from a phosphor with a very low activation energy. The tritium acts as a power source while the phosphor glows, so it doesn't need to put out a lot of radiation.

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Is it just me, or are these the exact same rifles?
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/93403
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/77440/Firearms/Rifles/Century+International+Arms+Inc./CIA+RI1805-N+GP+WASR-10+HI-CAP+30%2B1+7.62x39mm+16.25

>>34469813
married: no
DIRECT family: no
otherwise: yes

>>34470153
No.

>>34469576
If you enjoy lifting your gear above your head and flopping it onto your back everytime you take it off or put it on, then sure. But normal people will just use a pack or backpack that is easier to take off or put on.

>>34468795
I do this all the time when I shoot for qual. Make sure you're not holding down the slide lock, and make sure your magazine has a good spring and follower.

For me, literally every time, it will not lo k back on last round. No matter which Beretta, but only the Beretta 92/m9.

Something to watch out for

>>34465115
Maximum concealability, low weight. You can fit more effective rounds in one than you could in a mousegun of the same weight. It's a tradeoff between effectiveness and capacity.

>>34469423
Definitely the Glock. Don't fall for the memes, they're perfectly safe.

>>34469931
>The P229 is a much better gun overall. With the riced Glock you'll have a decent gun with a few super good parts.
SIG shills out in full force.

>>34469813
If it's a legitimate gift, as in you're paying for it and they aren't paying you back, you don't need to pretend anything. It's legal to buy a gun as a gift for someone else.

>>34470155
What the fuck are you talking about?

Building a long range rifle for 1000 yards. Going to be using it as a dedicated class gun. I already have a high end rifle on order, tac ops, that will be ready by the time I take a bunch of classes.

I calculated 1700$ total on everything. Here is the build.

Remington 700 sps aac sd 20in 308 1:10
Timney thin trigger 2.5lbs
XLR element chassis w/folding stock
Precision armament 20moa scope mount
Burris xtr signature rings
athlon ares btr 2.5-15x50mm mil
harris bipod 6-9 swivel notched

I already have everything but the scope. I went with this particular one vs a vortex gen2 because I liked the reticle better.

What do you anons think?

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>>34469931
>>34470259
Guys please.

>>34470393

Please get something other than a Remington. They don't deserve any more of our money until they get their shit together.

I have a winchester 70 featherweight

Trying to get the integrated rings from winchester directly since Ive been burned 3 times now trying to get a picatinny mount.

My question is, the winchester rings seem to be talley rings, except winchester sizings go standard, medium, high. And talleys are low, medium, high. Do you think the standard is equivalent to low size?

If anyone is familiar with the talley rings, which size should i get for a 42mm scope?

Im thinking the standard since I have a featherweight barrel, so I should have some clearance.

>>34470418
I already had the barreled action, its just been sitting in my closet for 5 years. This one is good to go, I tested it out when I first got it.

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I want to finally get around to picking up a Mossberg shotgun, and I'm deciding which one I should pick up first: Go all out, and just get the 590, get a 500 for less and get an extra part for it, or get the Mav and go nuts with parts to make it my own?

>>34468771
Yea I suspect simple blowback would not be a great idea for 10mm

>>34470439
500 and get the part.

DO NOT get a maverick. Yes its a working shotgun for super cheap, but you cant really do anything with it if you want something more.

>>34470558
Thanks, sounds like a good idea.

>>34470139
I had read that if you held the sights next to your head until they died you'd absorb less radiation than using a microwave once or something like that.

>>34468765
Shockwaves work great. My buddy has one on his 7.5" AR pistol and it extremely comfortable to shoot. Besides a basketball sized fireball being less then a foot from your face every time you squeeze one off.

>>34470139
>>34470645
Men get panicky when you describe the material in something near their balls as "a radioactive isotope". There is no risk. Well, rad poisoning risk anyways, although I agree with Todd Green that they're largely pointless and serve to give a potential enemy a bright target in a dark room better than they aid a shooter.

>>34470687
>Well, rad poisoning risk anyways, although I agree with Todd Green that they're largely pointless and serve to give a potential enemy a bright target in a dark room better than they aid a shooter.

For someone else to see your night sights they'd have to be standing right behind you.

Anyone have any experience with the hk45c?

Looks sexy and I like the idea of light LEM, basically just single action with a lot of take up so you don't need a safety.

>>34470720
You can see them from a fair distance, not more than a few feet sure, but there's cop stories about coons using them to know where cops were while hiding in the dark, albeit unsuccessfully as they have to be caught to tell the tale. Maybe fuddlore but maybe not. When do you need them to take a shot though? If you can't see your sights because of how dark it is it's going to be hard to see your target.

>>34470734
No, but I've had a couple P2000s, one with the V1 Light LEM trigger. The HK45C is basically just a P2000 in .45 soul killer.

I really liked it. The grip texture is really nice in the hand but not too aggressive. The best way I can think of describing LEM is DA/SA, where your DA pull has the same weight as the SA and both stage the same at the end, and it decocks itself when you let off the trigger completely. It's really damn good and probably the best hammer-fired trigger system available for a defensive pistol.

>>34470761
Niggers oily skin reflects what little light is around.

>>34470770
They're not meant to be used in pitch black, shooting at an unknown target. They're good in low and transitional light, where you can see what you're shooting at but can't clearly make out your sights, or if you're shooting from a dark spot into somewhere well lit. I think "night sights" are a bit of a misnomer as all the tritium does is let you clearly and positively see where the sights are in all lighting conditions. If you want to shoot someone in pitch black you need a weaponlight (in which case you'll also need tritium to see your sights) or night vision.

>>34470687
>I agree with Todd Green
You mean the fudd who said striker fired pistols were like carrying a DA revolver halfway cocked?

>>34470824
That's basically true though. The first shot of your Glock is only half cocked even if it has the same weight as the others and has roughly half the weight of a DA revolver.

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Americans I aim this at you.

Are parker hales popular in america?
What is the typical price of a parker hale in democracy dollars?

> Be brit
I have a acquired some factory packaged parker hale rifles
I have 1200 series in .308, .270, .243
M82s
I can also aquire them in 30-06 and 8mm mauser if required.

Its going to take me the rest of my life to sell them here but i was wondering if exporting them to america might be viable.

I can also acquire radway green surplus by the tonne in 556, m193 55-grain equivalent with green tip, 7.62 NATO with a choice of bullet weights, and 9mm.
all ammo made in from 1992-1999 and all have a 50 year shelf life as stored.

Cheers, fortune to america

>>34470880
I have literally never heard of them before.
They seem to go from 700 to 900 Ameribucks on Gunbroker.

Inherited a 1870s .22 pocket revolver and trying to figure out if it counts as an antique. Federal definition is made before 1890 and if it uses cartridges they cant be acquireable through normal commercial means. At the time of manufacture its caliber was only designated .22 Rimfire and I'm pretty sure its equivalent to .22 Short, but since at the time it wasn't specifically designated .22 Short would it be considered an antique? There not a lot of info on it but I'd imagine over 100+ years there's different powder load specs that could blow it up if you used certain modern ammo

>>34471071
/k/ cannot answer this, you must ask the dog hunters themselves.

What's recommended for the "one rifle man", an intermediate carbine or intermediate DMR?

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I currently have an AR that only has iron sights. I was going through some of my old paintball stuff when I found a red dot sight.

Would there be anything inherently wrong with attaching this sight to my AR?

>pic related
http://first-strike.com/fs-optics-1-x-30-red-dot-2/

>>34471071
you can usually date those pretty exactly by the various markings, the acquirable ammo thing is pretty much ignored. it should be able to fire .22 safely.

>>34471242
There is a good chance that it won't hold up to the recoil. The zero might start to move or it could stop working completely, but you already have it so give it a try I guess.

>>34470770
Thanks faaam

>>34471202
Depends on what a man wants to do with his rifle. Coons in your house calls for a carbine. Evading and eliminating communist death squads or hunting deer call for a DMR.

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Is this an lc9? Cause it looks like one but I can't quite tell. Anyone identify?

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>>34471413
I don't think so as the hammer/slidestop at the rear of the lc9 has a bit of a different design.

>>34471511
Oh yeah I see what you're saying. I thought at first it might have been a px4 but those take double stack mags. I really like the way it looks so I'm trying to get my hands on one to give it a try

>>34470558
Can confirm. I regret purchasing the maverick 88 every day. Hell, I think I'd have been happier just saving up and buying a 590 instead.

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anyone shot or carried the XD mod2 .45?

Looking for a non-glock CC .45 but none of local shops have it in stock for me to try.

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Are there youtubers out there who make quality but short-ish vids?

Kinda tired of 20 min+ videos that could've been just as informative in like 5 minutes

>>34471413

it's a sig p938

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Is this book any good from a technical perspective?

>>34461379
I know you can shoot 38spcl out of a 357, but will using 38 hollow points potentially cause any issues?

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>>34461379
A while ago I asked what generation of desert eagle one in a manga was from. I got these two answers, Mk1 or Mk7 IMI, although I remember he might've said it could be an early IXI since those look like Mk7 IMI?
Need some confirmation on that, the desert eagle was .50 caliber, so it couldn't have been Mk1, and is unlikely to be Mk7..

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>>34472800
The manga, by the way

>>34469576
Damn that's sexy. What's her name? Looks like some kind of Beretta.

>>34472841
Pistol is a P38K.

>>34472857
Many thanks friend.
Fuck that's expensive though.

>>34472166
Quality youtubers don't waste time on people with the attention span of a toddler.

>>34472886
You could probably have a smith chop up a P1, but chances are it'll still be pretty pricey and milspergers will come out of the woodworks to shit on you.

>>34470558
Where do I find a metal mossy 500 fcg? I found one online and it was like half the price I paid for the shotgun.

>>34472898
Fuck off nutnfancy

What are the limiting factors at the upper limit of bullet speed, around 3500 FPS?

>>34472920
I'd sooner max out a credit card than become Bubba.
I'll just masturbate to a picture of it and cry.

>>34472166
Watch a few C&Rsenal videos. Then Forgotten Weapons will seem brief.

>>34473056
Forgotten Weapons and InRange are totally fine because the points they bring up are usually worth mentioning, unlike so many others who just keep blabbing on and on about literally nothing.

>>34468605

if i were you, i would get a full size double stack pistol, like a beretta 92fs, or anything combat-worthy.

then, i would buy as much ammo as possible. (never stop buying)

after that, i would buy as many mags as i could, at least 10.

would also take a car trip to a non-cucked state and buy some non-compliant mags, and a supressor + threaded barrel for the gun.

>>34472747
>Also with precision rifles, manual action can give greater accuracy for a number of reasons
Could someone explain this meme to me?
The argument of 'more consistent indexing/locking' seems like bullshit on par with the idea from the 20's that 'autoloaders are meaingfuly weaker because 0.1 joules is stolen from recoil to cycle the action, therefore impacting the bullet because because'.

Am I wrong?
Isn't the consistency of the action entirely dependent upon the tolerances between the barrel and lugs?
Doesn't brass play a larger role when the cartridge doesn't headspace off the bullet because there is way more variance in brass than in the difference of a few mil in the action from shot to shot?

>>34469112
I'd put it to that jew

ok so i pried the mag safety out of my zastava m70a, if at any time i want to put it back in can i?

So with Saiga and VEPR both off the table... what's the 12 gauge semi auto box mag fed shotgun of the future?

>>34473735
45 long colt is the future of shotguns.

>>34471242

It's something literally designed for budget airsoft. Meaning that in a not terribly long timespan, the recoil is going to be too much on it. But if you DGAF, it might be fun to see how long it goes until you break it.

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>>34468809
Yeah, it locks back on empty mag when hand sliding.
I don't remember if the Aguila 9mm new rounds locked it back or not.
>>34468865
I'm not limp wristing or putting my dicktinglers near the slide.
>>34470209
Thanks, I'll look more into it when I visit the range next time.

I fucking love this gun though. I'm so happy I finally have a pistol.

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if you are in a room with nvgs on and someone turns on the lights, are they ruined? at least temporarily?

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Anyone care to help a semi-poorfag pick out his first centerfire rifle? My budget is $800.
I've been jumping between an SKS, CZ 527, and a Century VZ2008 (plz no bully).

>inb4 basic bitch AR-15

Does California have restrictions on what I can feed my AR? I've heard lead is banned for hunting rounds, but that doesn't apply to plinking does it?

I've searched for CA ammo restrictions and all I get are results about the upcoming registration bullshit.

>>34474271
Tracers and incendiary rounds are illegal to own.
You cannot use steel jacket/core bullets while shooting in public land (this means 7n6, M855, Tulammo etc) although 9 times out of 10 nobody gives a shit. Just ALWAYS make sure to watch out for fires.

If you're shooting indoor ranges it's mostly up to the range. Some don't let you shoot steel case, some couldn't care less.

>>34473180
Yes, you are wrong. As you alluded to, the name of the game in precision shooting is absolute consistency. You won't get that in an autoloader. Just for starters, they abuse the bullets on their journey from the magazine to the chamber, possibly ruining concentricity, damaging meplats, setback, etc. Semis won't guarantee proper chambering of brass that is sized specifically for a certain action (i.e. neck-sized only) because they lack the high pressure cam action of a turn bolt for chambering such rounds. So you must resize the brass to a smaller diameter (full length resizing at a minimum) to achieve reliable feeding. This further degrades accuracy potential.

That is not to say there aren't a whole shitload of autoloaders that aren't much more accurate than their operators, just that for ultimate precision you won't be looking at a semi auto.

>>34472755
wut? How would the bullet design make a difference?

The only issue of shooting 38spl out of a gun chambered in 357magnum, regardless of the type of bullet, is that after firing many rounds you can build up deposits in the chamber just beyond the neck of the shorter 38spl brass that may make it hard/impossible to chamber a full length 357 until you properly clean it.

Where should one look to find a Marlin 39a?

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>>34461379
What gun did Philando Castile have?

http://www.fox9.com/news/262713275-gallery

>>34461379
where can i find reloading data and exact case dimensions for lots of common cartridges? is there a book I can get full of em? I'd like to download them if possible.

>>34474871
Diamondback DB9FS

aka a huge pile of shit

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What's the best slim and lightweight but long AR handguard for the price? I want to make my handguard go to nearly the end of my 16" barrel.

Preferably not niggered up with rails please. I'm fine with some rails as long as that's not the only thing I'm touching. Pic related.
.

Is $180 a good price for a used C-More sight?

>>34472714
Thanks bud

>>34474232
some options you may not have thought of:
>be like everyone else and get a super fucking cheap AR at academy sports and spend the rest on ammo and training
>shop around at pawn shops and find a PTR91 (might have to save up a little more)
>go to gun show and find a decent AK (bring snapcaps and an empty mag or two to test feeding)
>build your own AR
>build your own AK from a partskit (requires welding, drilling, grinding, and LOTS of time and effort but well worth it)
>mini14
>consider a bolt or lever action?

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is this the FN that everybody keeps talking about but in 40? i have a few other 40s for my carry gun, but is the FN worth the buy

>>34475287
It's alright, especially for the price.
Controls, trigger and ergos are mostly good, but I personally hate the grip texture.

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Does anyone else have a Ruger American Rimfire that has sights that are this far off?

This is my second rifle, the first got replaced by Ruger because the barrel was canted noticeably.

I'm thinking that might be the case again with this one, but if it is it's so slight I can't see it. I have to adjust the rear sight to where it is in the pic to get it to hit where I'm aiming. It's not my shooting since this isn't a problem on any of my other rifles, and the gun puts out good groups, just nowhere near center.

What the fuck is the point of this thread if nobody answers your damn questions

>>34475313
you do know that it isnt supposed to be center exactly right? different varieties of ammo fly differently through your gun hence why you have adjustable sights to begin with.
if you're able to get point of aim and point of impact the same its a non issue.

>>34475287
They seem to be good guns. FN is also doing a rebate this month - 3 free mags if you buy an FN.

>>34475287
dont.
its cheap cause its outdated and about to be discontinued once they announce the 540 or whatever.
fn replaces all their polymerwonderguns every 2-5 years. because they find a horrible flaw and have to fix it. of course almost nothing is compatible between iterations.
the second its dropped fn support is zero. its impossible to find shit for the old guns like the fn fortynine.
the only polymer fn pistol thats been produced for a decent amount of time is the 57

>>34475340
Well no shit, but this is far enough over that my default cheekweld puts my eye out of line with the rear sight, so I'm looking at the right side of the peep instead of through it.

I don't feel like I should need to adjust it this much to get it to hit where I'm aiming.

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>>34475341

fuuuuug but also wanna buy a ak since they are getting to sub $450 locally

and i also want a glock for my micro roni stabilized chassis i can get leo discount glock for 350,

help me decide anons

>>34475371
you're like 2 notches away from center.
I've had to max out my windage on some guns and still not hit where I'm aiming, thats when its not aligned properly.

>>34475371

have you tried taking the sights off and re centering them manually (not by adjusting them over?)

>>34475382
A $450 AK is probably shit quality.

Go try out both handguns at a range that rents them both and buy whichever you like more.

The roni thing is gay.

>>34475398
he could probably get away with a slight tap of the front sight in the appropriate direction

>>34475392
Like I said, this rifle is a replacement from Ruger because the original one I bought had that exact issue but worse, with the barrel being timed wrong. They assured me the one they replaced it with was fine in that regard. Of course they can be wrong, and since the tech sights on it are aftermarket and they stick up further that would make any issues with the barrel not being on right worse, they may have missed it.

I just don't want to have to put up with this on what is a brand new gun.

>>34475398
>>34475405
Tried that already, but I'm going to get back to the range early tomorrow before it gets busy but bring my tools this time and see if I can iron this out.

I don't mind it being a little off center, but it's far enough over right now that it's bugging me.

What quick adjust two point sling is Karl using around 5 min?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdUfsYinS-k

Alternatively, what are your suggestions for that type of sling?
My raifu deserves something better than what she already has.

>>34475627
Looks like normal two inch and inch nylon webbing.
Just learn to sew.

>>34475654
>learn to sew.
Not gonna happen.
Also I have 250 bucks credit on my credit card and I don't know what to do with it so might as well spend it on silly shit.

>>34475664
>Not gonna happen.
I bet you don't want to learn knots, rope/twine/string making, how to convert a small fannypack into a gun bag, or how to make traps.
You're a beta faggot cuck who only care about second kind of cool. Sewing is first kind of cool.

5:20
https://youtu.be/2g3SwEk6lAc?t=320

>>34475664
>Also I have 250 bucks credit on my credit card and I don't know what to do with it so might as well spend it on silly shit.

I hope you meant gift card, because that's not how credit cards work.

>>34475707
It is when you get a refund.

>>34475706
No that's because I can't into sewing at all despite trying. I'm not even able to patch something properly.
It's pretty weird because I'm a fabricator and I'm kinda handy in general.

>>34475831
You don't "have money on your credit card" even if you get a refund for something.

It's credit. Meaning money that isn't yours, but will be lent to you for you to repay later. Getting a refund on a purchase made with a credit card just gives you credit back, bringing you farther away from your credit limit. It doesn't give you money thats burning a hole in your pocket or anything, unless you're a total retard that just has to spend every single dollar he has available to him.

>>34475862
Yeah, that's why I wrote credit.
I only ever use it to order things on the internet so why the fuck not

Why do you even care

>>34475876
You're right, I don't.

Keep swiping that plastic till it fucking melts for all I care. Until the liberals start crying for loan forgiveness paid for by the taxpayer I don't give a fuck what people do with their money.

>>34471242
Use it and record for YouTube lols

ok so i pried the mag safety out of my zastava m70a, if at any time i want to put it back in can i?

>>34475382
Roni + Glock = sbr tax stamp in burgerland.

>>34475854
are you using a machine? Because sewing by hand is absurdly harder to fuck up once you properly know how.

>>34475948
Scratch that, duh brace. Roni is still dumb.

>>34475955
By hand. I have literally none of the basics down.

>>34475981
practice. It shouldn't take collectively more than an hour to get the hang of.
Think of it like knot tying, you practice by copying the reference, then move on to doing it on your own and looking at the result, and then you apply the knot to the desired application.
Try learning like that instead of trying to learn while trying the desired application.

>>34475627
Please answer my simple question

>>34461379

I am about to be given a "Mak-90" by a family member, and he claims that it has a stamped slanted receiver (harder to find buttstocks) with a thumbhole stock installed. I've come to learn this is common on sporterized Norinco Mac-90s, but he also claims that this rifle isn't Chinese.

Is there any validity to this claim? Are there any Eastern European rifles that used the slant receiver design? Is it Chinese and he's just retarded?

I will of course verify when I get it in a few weeks, but I figured I'd ask you guys. I know very little about AK variants.

>>34476258
he says viking tactics at 4.38
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Viking-Tactics-VTAC-MK2-Wide-Padded-2-Point-Adjustable-Sling-Coyote-Brown-/222184628188?hash=item33bb3c5fdc

>>34476311
Oh fug I didn't even realize.
Any other suggestions?
Also are bungee 2-point slings worth mentioning?

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>>34476287
veprs

>>34476287
its chinese and hes retarded or its not a mac90 and he read it wrong. other countries make slantbacks but it would be marked mac

>>34476340
*wouldnt

>>34469576
what jacket is that

>>34466107
Thanks dude

So I'm used to the ear ringing from tinnitus but today at the range I forgot to put the ear pro back in a few times. Now i hear wind chimes every time I hiccup/burp. Anybody else?

Military related cause I didn't find /meg/, but Imma ask anyways.
I called the air force 1-800 number, trying to talk to a recruiter, and got all my info in, but I'm two pounds overweight for my height, so they didn't even direct me to a recruiter. But when I called a recruiter directly, he said it didn't matter. What do?

>>34477284
Recruiters lie for a living

>>34477284
If you really want in, run some water weight off

If you're a built motherfucker (meaning, not actually just fat) you have nothing to worry about, you'll just get taped and that's that.

You'll always get a call back, their sole purpose is to send bodies to basic, and an easy body is an easy number.

>>34477343
Taped?

>>34463729
Build it. You'll be much happier with it.

What's the best/most cost effective weapon light I can get for my chink 870 clone, and what's the best way to mount it?

Magpul forend with a m-lok mount? Barrel clamp? Pistol light on a pic rail barrel clamp? Other options?

What make/model of light should I get?

>>34477359
They measure your waist and neck or some shit to check your BMI. If you're mostly muscle weight you should be fine. If you're a fatty then not so much.

>>34477468
>>34477359
With measuring tape.

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>>34477455
>most cost effective weapon light
these fuckers you get a 3 pack for 5 bucks and some zipties
when it breaks under recoil within 50 rounds cut it off the gun and replace it with another.

you can replace that shit like 20 times before even coming close to the cost of a mount.

>>34477468
Ah, thanks a bunch anon.
Well, looks like more trips to the track for me

>>34477493
Sounds functional.

What light/mount should I save up for?

>>34477509
I think the tape system and the height/weight needs to get the fuck out, personally. From what I understand it's an obsolete standard.
T. A nigga who stopped making tape right before my EAS

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>>34470720
this

>>34470761
complete bullshit, these are HK true glow sights in low light and you can't even see any light coming off them in the second pic

>>34470797
tritium a shit

>>34477524
I understand that. I hit all the PT standards, but I guess I'm just a fat bastard, so I'll give it another month before I have a chat with them.

>>34477524
>>34477509
Basically I was always fine with my height and weight standards. Once I started going to the gym and putting on muscle I started weighing in overweight. Then I started failing tape. Fuckin dumb shit.

>>34475330
People answer my questions most of the time.

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Why are all the Middle East threads getting pruned when all of this summerfag trolling bullshit is taking up half the board? It's really pissing me off. FUCK YOU MODS.

How is the Ruger American compact 9mm? I can get one for about $390 otd

>>34475330
What's your question, shit ass? I usually ignore shit that comes up as the first result in Google when typed directly into the search bar.

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Bought pic related, to accompany my 92fs...did I unironically get a meme gun? Gun newfag. Originally from NJ, and probably haven't lurked enough honestly

>>34478372
Are you a crewmember of the Battlestar Galactica? If not you fucked up. They're ok but honestly fill a nonexistant role and even then you overpaid for the Beretta logo.
>my 92fs...did I unironically get a meme gun?
Yes, but the 92FS is a bigger meme gun so really, what does it matter? Liking memes is ok.

At least you didn't get a Five-seveN and a PS90.

>>34478372
Not really a meme gun. They are all right. They don't do anything other PPC's do for less.

>>34461379
Binge watched like 30 gun gripe videos from Iraq veteran fag......am I a Fudd now?

>>34478452
>>34478459
Thanks for the input. They are both fun and cheap to shoot. I wish I was a crew member lol

How important are shotgun chokes for hunting? I want a Mossberg 590A1 9 shot but it has 0 barrel compatibility and only comes in cylinder bore. I can get it circumcised for chokes but it's kinda expensive.

should I buy single stack 9mm magazines for my Jericho so that I can be more economical at the range and just keep the 16 round ones permanently loaded with hollow points?

Is there any way to get a good idea how quiet suppressed guns actually are without getting your hands on some suppressed guns?

>>34478574
Not really, suppressed guns(and guns in general) do not play well with audio equipment.

>>34478574
Like a bag of bricks falling from a ten story building
Not loud enough to damage your hearing but still very loud
They're more of safety tools than anything else to the common man

>>34478581
Yeah, I noticed this when watching a Youtube video where a .50 BMG sounds almost exactly like a .308, just a longer sound.

>>34478584
I meant more like a comparison. How does .22 LR sound from a suppressed handgun compared to a suppressed rifle, what about 9mm, .300 memeout, etc.

Really hard to find places that have all this weird shit I want to try.
>tfw HPA never

>>34478603
They're all still pretty fucking loud. Even .22. They simply do not make quiet guns.
>inb4 muh Delise 75 dB
NO. IT'S FUDDLORE.

>>34478618
>Even .22
Wrong. Never even heard one with a suppressor but without they're still just inside earpro range. You are fake news.

>>34478635
>fake news
Fuck off with your noguns /pol/ack memes. They are not quiet, full stop.
>Never even heard one with a suppressor
I can tell.

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>>34470173
You haven't heard of SOF using molle assault packs so they can hit a target and run without dropping their packs? No need to set up a patrol base with this concept in use. The problem is youd have to take of your PC to access your own gear or mooch of your buddy who could have been shot.

>clips on to gear so it can be manipulated any way
>more accessible in every way

>>34478562
Not the be all end all. It's not really advised to hunt birds without one but some people do. If you want deer forget buckshot and go slugs. Your pattern with buck will be dicks and probably not kill the deer humanely. I'd still get it threaded if you have the means. More versatility never hurt.

>>34478649
>insults
Ah yes the classic last resort when you're all out of arguments.
>They are not quiet
It's all relative.
>I can tell
What did he mean by this?

>>34477534
It's a bit silly to think you'll always have your gun pointed straight at a target you can't see, isn't it? Could you do a side picture? Maybe one from the front but pointed down at a 45 degree angle and straight above too. For science.

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>>34478572
Pls respond

>>34478711
I'm not "out of arguments", you're talking about something you admit you don't have experience with as though you are an authority. That's typical /pol/ behavior and I'm saying you're a typical /pol/ dumbass. I am not insulting your character because you simply have none to insult, you subhuman worm.
Everything in life is relative, and they are not relatively quiet. They are still loud as shit relative to everything else in the human experience. The old fudd "MUH ACTION CYCLIN' WAS LOUDER" is just not true at all.
It means I can tell you've never shot a suppressed .22 without you telling me because I have and they are still the loudest thing on the block with a lawnmower that has never had its oil changed and a shitty raised pickup backfiring.

I have a MOA 6.5 grendel AR and sort of want a magnum bolt action, but don't see any application for it since my range only goes up to 1k yards and there's no elk near me. Am I just being silly?

>>34478747
Ah yes, the wall of text, a classic last ditch defensive strategy. Never effective though.
>Wah wah /pol/ wah
0/10 insults all around too

>>34478780
You're just wrong, and that's all. You people need to stop responding when you have no experience. It doesn't help.

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>>34478794
>Have experience shooting .22
>Say this
WRONG WRONG WRONG YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE
22 IS LIKE A NUKE GOING OFF
The autism really is off the charts this season.

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>>34478747
We get it dude. You have never fired a gun in your life. Shitpost somewhere else.

>>34467745
It's a Stevens 520 take down pump action.

>>34474078
Modern NVGs can auto adjust the brightness sensitivity, kinda like the auto exposure you get in cameras.

>>34478810
Oh yes, your experience. >>34478635
>Wrong. Never even heard one with a suppressor
How invaluable. Your hyperbole is lovely but like I said, while it's not insanely loud but it's not quiet. Full fucking stop.

>>34478817
Eat shit. Go look at Gemtech's user manual. That thing you're pretending is super quiet is still 124 decibels at the action. That's pretty loud, probably the loudest thing you'd hear all day if you could keep your mouth shut. For reference a chainsaw is only 118 dB, and it's an exponential measurement. Go pay your taxes and try out a suppressor. You won't be pleased. Most things above handguns still aren't even hearing safe at the action, despite what nice looking but worthless muzzle readings they have.

>>34478775
Well if you want it and can afford it without undue stress on your bill money I'd say go for it. Just have fun and get those groups nice and tight.

>>34478572
Why? Do you carry the gun? If so do you carry it with the sixteen round mags? If yes to both why not shoot at the range like you would if you had to use it? Economy is a bad argument anyway, just bring the ammo you can afford to shoot and leave the rest at home.

>>34477493
BS
>>34477517
I got the Primary Arms light and a cheap mount from amazon.

>>34478856
I definitely can get it without missing rent, but it will hurt my gun fund which makes me a sad cowboy. I feel like I almost like the idea of it more than I'd like the actual gun, you know?

why arent break top revolvers a thing anymore. a guy i was talking to said its because the lock cant handle modern ammo but doesnt the cyclinder contain all the pressure? the lock would just need to be strong enough to stay shut during recoil.

>>34479011
>why arent break top revolvers a thing anymore.
Costly to produce, there is only type one in production.

>a guy i was talking to said its because the lock cant handle modern ammo
True and false, there are designs that can handle up to .357mag but I doubt it can go any higher than that,

>the lock would just need to be strong enough to stay shut during recoil.
It would need to not only stay shut but not be damaged over time.

>>34461379

Air-babby here, I was recently watching a video on the F-35 and the creator of the video said;

"Stealth can detect RADAR -- but the catch is missiles can not be guided on stealth targets."

Being as simple as possible, could anyone explain to me why that is the case? Linking me to any sources which goes into topics like this in detail would be appreciated.

>>34479054
Shit! Was meant to say;

Stealth can be detected by RADAR

>>34479027
thats dissapointing, i figured tgere would be a decent market for them.

>>34479062
Only market really right now is cowboy action shooters, and from what i've seen most prefer SAA to Schofields.

Can someone give me a run down on Finnish gun laws? I'm 90% sold on emigrating from the UK, so will I be less no-gunz if I do?

Hope you're all having a good day 2day 2bh

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So uh, this >>34478574 was me and I appreciate your responses but it got kinda weird and hostile there and I'm still very lost.

Approximately how much louder is a suppressed .22 handgun (let's say five inch barrrel) compared to a suppressed .22 carbine (16 inch barrel), at a distance of 25 yards if that's a factor.

>>34479659
Modern .22 LR, especially subsonic, burns up fast enough that anything over 10" is basically wasted powder wise. Longer barrels nowadays are for aiming and legal purposes mostly. Both are around 115-120 dB depending on the gun, can, and load - which is about as loud as a hammer striking a nail or a ceramic dish breaking according to what I believe is the UK version of OSHA.

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How autistic is it to name guns? Not like Sasha or whatever every other slavaboo calls their first slavshit, but like pic related.

>>34478888
Checking your quad mate.
If your AR is enough of a precision/power rifle for you then you don't
>NEED
a bolt action, but they're still pretty cool. If there's other guns you want more, get those first. Bolt actions aren't going anywhere but other stuff who knows? RIP VEPR.

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I want to buy my first rifle soon, and want it to be an excellent firearm that I can take great care of to pass onto my kids one day. I'm convinced that the CZ 527 (carbine) is the way to go, however I'm not sure whether to get the 7.62x39 version or the .223 version.

I want to use this rifle for target shooting, but would love to get into hunting.

A few questions:
-Will the .223 version be less prone to overheating?
-What advantage does the 7.62x39 have over the .223?
-How feasible is it to run 5.56 in the .223 version and .311 in the 7.62x39 version? (will it screw up the gun?).
-What is better for long range shooting? I have heard the 5.56 is better for this, but I'm a noob.

I am in Australia, so 7.62 ammo much less useful in case I wanted to get more firearms in the same size. 223 is probably the best economically for big boy ammo, so there's that.

Cheers.

>>34475350
>fn replaces all their polymerwonderguns every 2-5 years. because they find a horrible flaw and have to fix it. of course almost nothing is compatible between iterations.

The fuck are you talking about? There is no glaring flaw with these or any other FN handgun.

The Fortynine was made from 2000-2008. Discontinued and replaced it with the FNP in 2006, then updated that to the FNX in 2010 with mostly new ergonomics and aesthetics to match the more aggressive .45 version. Then the FNS was released in 2011 to run side by side with the FNX. It's only now being updated into the 509, which is basically the same gun with some tweaks. You can still get support for the FNP, FNX, and FNS. The FNX will still be produced alongside the 509 and the FNS won't be discontinued for at least another two years while they slowly phase in all the new 500 series pistols.

Anyway, I don't see how stopping support for a pistol that's been discontinued 9 years is such a horrible thing.

>>34479789
223 will definitely have better performance at range than 762×39, but intermediate cartridges aren't really designed for long range shooting.

>>34479789
>-Will the .223 version be less prone to overheating?
Yes but not enough to matter in the real world.
>-What advantage does the 7.62x39 have over the .223?
Penetration of obstacles such as underbrush or bricks and retaining velocity (and I mean literal velocity, both speed and direction) through barriers like glass.
>-How feasible is it to run 5.56 in the .223 version
Perfectly fine.
>and .311 in the 7.62x39 version? (will it screw up the gun?).
Don't know about this one, I have the .223.
>-What is better for long range shooting? I have heard the 5.56 is better for this, but I'm a noob.
You are very correct. 7.62x39 drops like rock. I prefer the term "rainbow trajectory" because it is a magical little round but 5.56 is going to be way more straight shooting outside of some very heavy crosswinds. Neither is particularly good for long range shooting though, they were designed as assault rifle cartridges after all.
>I am in Australia, so 7.62 ammo much less useful in case I wanted to get more firearms in the same size. 223 is probably the best economically for big boy ammo, so there's that.
Ok. 7.62x39mm isn't so great I'd pay a steep premium for it. Ever. I like it because of dirt cheap bulk steel slavshit which is a tenth of a freedom penny more than dirt cheap .223.

>>34478572
No. Just load the mags to 10 rounds at the range if you want to shoot slower.

>>34478715
I just tried it in my zero vis bathroom and the only way I could see the whole sight picture was if I was looking down the sights or behind the gun.

The 45 degree downward angle *almost* shows the front sight but it's not easy to spot

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>>34479871
Thanks fampai. I ordered some raised suppressor Trijis but this fuddrucker got me worried I was falling for a meme and made me consider cancelling it.

>>34479910
tbf I'm not using tris I'm looking at HK's proprietary trudot system

here's a visual comparison of trudot and tris
https://youtu.be/kj7zU5WWgLA?t=6m10s
>they stay bright for 3-4 minutes
In my experience it's more like 3-4 hours

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>>34479928
Oh. Damnit. I'm super paranoid about this for some reason. I feel like I'd get "He died for being a mall ninja." carved on my tombstone if Darius Negrophallus tells his homies he spotted me because of my night sights.

>>34472166
Garand Thumb

>>34479928
>WeaponsEducation

Nope.bmp

Also Tru Dots aren't HK's proprietary anything. It's what HK uses for their factory tritium sights. The Meprolight Tru Dots.

HK's standard sights are just luminescent paint, the same kind a lot of other companies use. The FN 509 comes with them too.

>>34479928
>In my experience it's more like 3-4 hour

Not even close desu. They stay bright as shit for maybe 3-4 minutes, and then dim very quickly. I've never times how long it takes them to go out but it's probably less than an hour.

>>34480015
I was really only recommending the 10 seconds where he turns the light off

>>34480024
I went to piss this morning at 5:30 before the sun came up and they were still visibly glowing after the last light they got being from my computer screen at ~1am

1. Are all markings on a handgun's slide, which is again NOT the receiver or frame and does not include the serial number nor a copy of it, allowed to be modified or otherwise defaced?
2. Can I take the stupid fucking "READ THE MANUAL BEFORE SHOOTING YOURSELF IN THE DICK" Spaghettinigger import tramp stamp off of the frame?

>>34480367
Yes you can

but if you don't believe me you can call the ATF

>>34480367
1. Manufacturer, Importer, Make, Model, Caliber, and S/N are sacred. If you are repairing or replacing the slide you can sandblast it clean if you like. Theoretically you could claim an original slide is a replacement, but that's just a theory.
2. Go ahead.

>>34461379
Which of these is better? Why all the stainless steel barrel AR hate?
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-mid-length-stainless-5-56-nato-1-7-15-keymod-freedom-upper-no-bcg-or-ch.html

http://palmettostatearmory.com/blem-psa-16-mid-length-5-56-nato-1-7-phosphate-sr15-upper-no-bcg-or-ch-7781395b.html

>>34479306
Strict one year minimum membership of a shooting club and proof you're not fucked up in the noggin. Enjoy your 9mm pistol for 3 years unless you hunt actively in which case you might get a purchase permit for a .30-06 or some equivalent caliber sporting rifle. If you want a .22 pistol you're a school shooter even if you're 55 years old because fuck you.

>>34480847
>If you want a .22 pistol you're a school shooter even if you're 55 years old because fuck you.
>.22
Do nogunz classify elementary students as small game?

>>34479851
So basically, the only reason to get the 7.62 version is for the huge bang, and feeling soviet.

>>34480847
>>34480867
So I guess I wouldn't be any less no-gunz then? I just wanna own nice AK variants (not fucking shitty straight-pull ones) and a nugget (suppose I can still do that here).

That's a shame.

>>34480922
Yeah, unless you have .24/.30 cal hunting laws to (((comply))) with or need penetration for deer tactically taking cover *cough* commies *cough*.