/meg/ - Military Enlistment General

>>34447032
>https://discord.gg/4Ujgdt
That link expired.

>>34447053
It is what it is because whoever made the last thread didn't bother to include anything.

>Want to work intel then State Dept/CIA
>Have college degree
Go for OCS? Or enlist as intel?
What branch is the best for intel?
I want to be in the middle east.

>>34447109

CIA doesn't even offer veterans' preference. If you want to do civilian intel, you should be trying to get an internship, not joining the military.

I want to see that girl getting blacked so badly...

>>34447039
FPBP

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Hajis watch out

>>34447207
Women are so shit they don't belong in the military they should just be delegated to civilian contractors for admin, accounting, comfort, etc.

>>34447053
>>34447089
Use this

https://discordapp.com/invite/ZJPxxTj

>>34447222

Most military jobs make the physical dimorphism between makes and females completely irrelevant. The best programmer I ever met in the military was female, as was the best analyst.

>>34447222
>don't belong in the military
That's why they belong in the Air Force

>>34447222
Don't worry bud, you'll soon see a woman who can out-perform you.

You'll either mature and realize that women are valuable, productive members of society, or you'll do some mental gymnastics, chalk it up to the "pussy pass", and become a resident of r/theredpill.

>>34447373
>You'll either mature and realize that women are valuable, productive members of society
see this: http://www.military.com/military-fitness/marine-corps-fitness-requirements/usmc-pft-charts
The only way they can manage to even join the military is through lowering the standards. They don't belong, you whiteknighting faggot. When they get rid of gender-segregated sports leagues and demonstrate men and women competing on an equal footing, I'll accept their presence in the military. Other than that, they can and should only be civilian contractors. That's reality.

>>34447444
That is outdated, friendo.

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2016/07/01/11-things-marines-need-know-corps-new-fitness-rules/86582012/

>>34447395
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>>34447417
>posting porn on a blue board

>>34447444
So you're basically advocating that all non-grunt positions become contracted out?
A majority of the jobs in the military just require you to be relatively fit, not able to carry out infantry operations.

If you're seriously suggesting that women are useless in the military because they can't carry out combat operations like men, you need to get a better perspective on the military as a whole. I agree that any person should have to meet a certain standard for combat jobs, but for the 80% of other jobs, it doesn't matter.

You're just upset that letting women into your "boyz club" of the military damages your already fragile sense of masculinity. People should be evaluated by their job performance, not what genitals they were born with.

>>34447512
>Public signs of affection in interracial relationships are porn and must be banned.
Go back to your containment board.

>>34447517
>If you're seriously suggesting that women are useless in the military because they can't carry out combat operations like men, you need to get a better perspective on the military as a whole. I agree that any person should have to meet a certain standard for combat jobs, but for the 80% of other jobs, it doesn't matter.
Hey faggot. Women are being judged on a different standard than men, even for POG positions. What you are essentially arguing is that it is ok for men to be judged on a harsher scale than women for analyst positions, cooks, janitors, etc. Even then, some POG jobs do require physical strength, such as certain maintainer/repairer jobs.
>You're just upset that letting women into your "boyz club" of the military damages your already fragile sense of masculinity.
Stop projecting, faggot. It has to do with setting a just standard, and requiring that men do better than women is anything but. Argue as much as you want that women can do the job, but when the military asks for physical fitness on top of that, women better damn sure be able to match the men.
>People should be evaluated by their job performance, not what genitals they were born with.
PFT is part of being evaluated.

>>34447517
>People should be evaluated by their job performance

This, end of story. If someone is good at their job then the rest is irrelivant.

>>34447585
Unless they are airman, than they get evaluated by the amount of holiday parties they were involved in.

>>34447571
Do you want to know why men and women in POG positions have different PT standards? It's because the female and male body are different.
Men have an inherent advantage in physical activities (as you acknowledged by mentioning pro sports), and the purpose of the PFT is not to assess absolute physical capability, but instead determine your level of fitness.
All other things equal, a man and woman are going to perform differently at equal levels of fitness. To require women to perform on the same level as men is actually asking them to do more than their male counterparts.

This is all assuming, of course, that the person in question is a POG performing a POG job. Some roles have absolute physical requirements, which are a whole different dog than the PFT.

>>34447627
I don't think you're even in the military.

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>>34447651

bombs don't care how different your bodies are

>>34447661
True, a bomb is going to blow up a man or woman equally.

Equal PT standards in the field are more about being able to handle equipment effectively and help your squadmates.
A female mechanic/nurse/armorer is not going to need to drag other soldiers or go on patrol, but will need to be able to live in an austere environment.

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>>34447651
>To require women to perform on the same level as men is actually asking them to do more than their male counterparts.
This is one of the most retarded things I've ever read on /meg/. I never said they can't do POG jobs. I said they shouldn't do them as servicemen, but instead as civilian contractors. They can still do the exact same shit, probably with more pay, and they don't need to worry about physical fitness. Physical fitness is part of the job of being a serviceman and women, by your own admission, can't hack it. They can't be held to equal standards, by your own admission.

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I was told joining the marines is stupid because they're like the first in and most likely to die. Basically the government convinces them they're the elite then uses them as frontline fodder.
Is this true?
>pic unrelated

>>34447741

You're confusing physical fitness and job fitness. Women can and should have lower physical fitness requirements because physical fitness is about combating heart disease/diabetes and looking good in uniform, not about accomplishing mission.

In cases where it's appropriate to have a job-specific physical fitness requirement..we already have one. In every other case, women should have lower requirements just like older people do.

>>34447741
You're completely mistaken about the purpose of the PFT.

It's not to ensure that you're combat ready. That's handled by your specific unit's PT.
It's literally to ensure that service-members maintain a decent military image, and won't cost tricare a fuckton of money because they are unfit/unhealthy.

A fit woman performs differently than a fit man. The military aspect is that she can be deployed, do her job while deployed, and not suffer medical issues because she is out of shape.

Your status as a member of the armed forces is not defined by your ability to run 2 miles in 14 minutes. It's the willingness and ability to do whatever is asked of you, in any environment. If a woman is willing to do that, there is no reason why she shouldn't be allowed to fill the shoes of whatever she is capable of.

>>34447825

This.

Did you know that BUD/S and SOFQC don't actually have any gender restriction? You're more than welcome to try out to be a SEAL or green beret as a female.

There are no females actually in those jobs yet because those jobs have real standards that are universal and not tied to the general fitness assessment. A 35 year old male and and 18 year old female have to do exactly the same shit.

It's not a hard problem to solve.

>>34447793
>>34447825
>Women can be just as fit despite being weaker.
This is just mental gymnastics. There is literally no good reason to establish a double standard. The very existence of that double standard only reinforces the inequality of the sexes. A woman who can't perform on equal terms with a man is in no way as fit as that man. This may seem unfair to you, but that's basic biology. Again, she doesn't have to be a serviceman, she can be a civilian contractor.

>>34447879

The double standard already exists. See: Older people can demonstrate they're fit in terms of health/appearance, but not able to physically perform the standards of a given job.

>>34447909
Older people as well should be pushed into the civilian sector if they can't maintain their physical fitness.

>>34447793
what you are ignorant of makes my point. If I have to hump squad gear, it need to be spilt up.I dot need to hump your gear so you can pretend youre equal. I dont want you not beig ableto drag me if I am shot, or a squad taking unnecessary risk to spare you from rape. you're only liability, instability, and drag. I want a killer without thinking or remorse in my squad. Youre not wired for it. Now make me a sammich!

>>34447948

If by "physical fitness" you mean they won't get fat and their risk of diabetes and heart disease will be reduced, then that's what the current standards already aim for.

If you're talking about job-specific fitness, then that depends on the job they're doing. If there's no need for it, then there's no need for it.

>>34447965

The dirty little secret of the "women in infantry" debate is that it's not about saving lives. Most infantrymen would gladly throw the lives of their brothers under the bus to keep vaginas out of the infantry. The proof? They're absolutely willing to take a weak male over a strong female, simply due to vaginafear.

The truth is that keeping females out of the infantry would be as easy as instituting a universal infantry standard that *everyone* would have to pass, but in order to keep *all* the females out they'd also end up cutting the bottom 25 % of their fat/short infantrybros.

Sauce: Saw sexism prevail over practicality plenty of times. What matters is accomplishing the mission, not genitals.

>>34447145
>If you want to do civilian intel, you should be trying to get an internship, not joining the military.

This.

>>34447109
>>Want to work intel then State Dept/CIA

What exactly do you want to do though? For example both State INR and CIA do all source analysis, but only CIA has a clandestine operations mission.

Also State INR is ~100 people and is primarily seen as a stepping stone for career FSOs. So your chances of getting in are almost 0 unless you really, really want to work in the foreign service as a career. I talked to one of the INR outreach guys and he had an amazing resume, a lot of experience, was in his 40's, and worked for 2 years at Wal Mart in Virginia while he was waiting to get hired by State before he even got to INR.

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>>34448013
>physical fitness only means what i say it means
I found your picture, by the way. A woman who can't compete on the same footing as a man is not as fit as a man. There's no way around that.

>>34447487
>https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2016/07/01/11-things-marines-need-know-corps-new-fitness-rules/86582012/

Did you read that link?

Because the first point it makes about getting rid of the flexed arm hang and moving to a choice of pushup or pullup states openly that the female standard is lower. Max score for the lowest age bracket of male is 23, max score for the same female is 10.

That's less than half.

>>34448082
Are you seriously telling me a flexed arm hang is tougher than pullups or pushups?

>>34447825
>Your status as a member of the armed forces is not defined by your ability to run 2 miles in 14 minutes.

You need to put out a memorandum real quick SECDEF Anon. Because every single chain of command judges your "status" by your PT score.

>>34448013
>They're absolutely willing to take a weak male over a strong female

99% of the time that weak male is going to be stronger and faster than that strong female.

And he's not going to be as susceptible to stress injuries.

>>34448104
>Are you seriously telling me a flexed arm hang is tougher than pullups or pushups?

Please point out anywhere in that post that I stated that.

>>34448124

We're already talking top 5 % females anyways. I've known maybe a dozen females in my time in the military that could score well on the male fitness scale. On the other hand, I've known HUNDREDS of guys just skating by on minimum scores.

Nobody wants to realistically evaluate the standards required to do a given job, because then they'd be forced with the choice of letting truly exceptional females in, or cutting a large swath of the mediocre males we currently allow.

>>34448111

kek. i spent most of my career just getting minimum pt scores and going home. made e-6 in 5 years and got out. if you are getting promoted based on your apft then you're pretty much a garbage soldier on every other basis.

"but i can run good" is what people who are shit at their real jobs say.

>>34448172

This.

Given the choice between a fit female who can lift heavier and run faster than a fat male, most infantrymen will pick the male every time because they're inherently scared of vaginas. They'll try to hide behind "muh buddy carry in a firefight" but it's mostly just good ol' boys not wanting to admit that a large portion of conventional infantrymen are unfit slobs and we're fine with it. Nobody wants to look at absolute scores.

>>34448172
>because then they'd be forced with the choice of letting truly exceptional females in, or cutting a large swath of the mediocre males we currently allow.
This false dichotomy reads like fucking propaganda. Under no circumstances does anyone think subpar performers should stay in (and that's a major issue in the services, especially navy nukes). However, allowing the private sector to sort them out and bring us "exceptional females" via contractors is a viable alternative to the double standards of current standards.
>>34448219
>most infantrymen will pick the male every time because they're inherently scared of vaginas
I'm getting tired of seeing a lack of sources for this claim.

>>34448187
>made e-6 in 5 years and got out.

What was your MOS?

Primary zone TIS requirement for E6 is 7 years.

>>34448219
>and we're fine with it

Wut. Grunts are literally the only people I've ever heard complain about their peers skating by on the APFT.

>>34448271

>Getting primary zone promotions

Stop accepting mediocrity.

>>34448251
>>34448282

>A 16 minute 2 mile is fine as long as you have a penis.
>Almost busting tape every time means you're swole, even if it's just due to a lard sack on your neck.

This is what grunts actually believe.

>>34448302
>Stop accepting mediocrity.

Secondary zone is dependent on your CoC liking you.

Which is why I doubt your claim that you skated by with minimum APFT and managed to get a secondary zone promotion for SSG. It's also why I asked your what your MOS was.

>>34448336
>This is what grunts actually believe.

Did you even read my post?

Because it doesn't seem like you did.

I'll quote it for you

>>34448282
>Wut. Grunts are literally the only people I've ever heard complain about their peers skating by on the APFT.

>>34448111
L O L

Only in the Army and Marines are your promotions at all impacted by your PT scores, provided you don't fail.
Those two branches are currently grappling with the fact that they're bleeding talent, since most technically minded dudes aren't worried about getting a killer PT score. That leads to the skilled guys not getting promoted and leaving, while the PT studs who know nothing make rank and end up running the place.

>>34448055
> A woman who can't compete on the same footing as a man is not as fit as a man.
It's not a fucking competition. What don't you understand about that?
It's an *assessment* of fitness. A test. Like when you were in remedial algebra and took a test, you weren't competing against the entire human populace, you were testing your knowledge on a specific set of taught material.

The PT test tests your fitness level, not your absolute physical ability.

>>34448336
That greentext makes no sense. Under what circumstances would a female who gets 16 minutes be any less criticized than a male who gets 16 minutes? Also, why would merely not being fat equate to adequate fitness? There's plenty of lanky, weak sticks who would never have serious health problems but still shouldn't be allowed in the military. The fact of the matter is that women cannot compete with men, and lowering their standards to compensate for that only underscores the hypocrisy of it all.
>they're equal and just as qualified, but they need lower standards!
It's all bullshit and you know it.
>>34448378
>inequality is good when i say it's good
>fitness means what i say it means
Merely "not having health problems" and "being fit" are NOT the same. A woman who cannot compete with a man is NOT as fit as that man. Plain and simple.

>>34448412
> A woman who cannot compete with a man is NOT as fit as that man. Plain and simple.
Wrong.

Merriam Webster: Physical Fitness
>Definition of physical fitness: good health and strength achieved through exercise

New World Encyclopedia:
>Physical fitness is used in the context of two meanings: General fitness (a state of health and well-being) and specific fitness (the ability to perform specific sports or occupational skills).

The PFT/PRT/PT Test attempts to measure your general fitness. Any job that has a specific fitness requirement measures that it a separate test.
I'm not sure how else to say it, the PT Test is solely designed to assess your susceptibility to fitness-related diseases and to ensure that a good military image is maintained. A woman who scores the same score as a man on a PRT is roughly as susceptible to those fitness-related ailments as a man who score similarly.

It has literally nothing to do with absolute physical performance.

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>>34447775
You're only as elite as you feel.

>>34448501
>good health and strength achieved through exercise
>strength
Yeah, you have it right in front of your face and yet you choose to ignore it. This is going nowhere. A woman who cannot compete with a man is NOT as fit as that man. That is absolutely correct and Merriam Webster corroborated that. You just don't want to admit that women can still contribute by being civilian contractors without wearing the uniform. For what reason, I can't fathom, but it's likely super autistic.

>>34448600
A woman who can do 60 crunches has good strength.
I'm not sure why you're hung up on women having the numerically same amount of performance as men, especially when they're at a biological disadvantage.

You're hung up on fuckin pushups being the defining standard of what constitutes a uniform-wearing service-member. I don't know how to tell you any clearer that as far as non combat jobs are concerned, the amount of push ups you can do is irrelevant. Like, that shit doesn't matter. Jobs where it does are controlled for.

The uniform wearing men and women of this country have signed on to go wherever their country needs them, do what is asked, and possibly lay down the ultimate sacrifice. That's why they wear the uniform.

Not because they can do 76 push ups in 2 minutes. A high school football player can do that.

So please, go up to a 15 year TIS MSgt/SFC/Cheif with multiple deployments and tell her that unless she can meet the male PT standards, she has no place in the military. I promise you'll get a considerably more direct response.

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>tfw too old to enlist

>>34448826
>especially when they're at a biological disadvantage.
That biological disadvantage is precisely why most women don't really belong there. They are not as fit as the men.
>I don't know how to tell you any clearer that as far as non combat jobs are concerned, the amount of push ups you can do is irrelevant. Like, that shit doesn't matter. Jobs where it does are controlled for.
If the number of pushups were truly irrelevant, no one would be tested for them. The very fact that they are tested demonstrates their utility in evaluating physical fitness, and the double standard imposed between men and women only demonstrates a hypocrisy.
The rest of your post is just propaganda-style bullshit. A lot of words for no substance.
>muh ultimate sacrifice
Anyone in a position risking "ultimate sacrifice" should certainly be concerned with physical fitness. Not really relevant to most POG jobs at all.

>>34448904
>That biological disadvantage is precisely why most women don't really belong there. They are not as fit as the men.
You have an extremely narrow view of the military and what comprises it. Cyber Ops, Intel, Space Ops, maintenance of *all* sorts, supply, etc. don't require an abnormal level of strength, and what exactly do we gain by eliminating women from the talent pool?

The push ups/run/sit ups attempt to evaluate the level of physical conditioning you have achieved for your gender and age group.
I refuse to believe you don't understand that a woman will be just as conditioned as a man, but perform at a lower level. I'll make it super simple:
>a 100% conditioned man is capable of 10000 performance units
>a 100% conditioned woman is capable of 8000 performance units
>branch dictates that members must be 75% conditioned to reduce risk of heart disease, training injuries, etc.
>a 75% conditioned man will output 7500 performance units
>a 75% conditioned woman will output 6000 performance units
>"but muh women aren't as fit!"

The PT test is about staying healthy so you don't bankrupt the VA/tricare, and keeping the military image of fit men and women. It has *NOTHING* to do with dodging bullets or rucking or any grunt shit.

Yeah, you need to be fit to be deployed, enough to take care of yourself. By deploying, you're risking death. Your 100/100 male run time is not going to save you when a mortar slips past the CRAM and lands in your tent, or when shrapnel rips up through your body at 500 FPS because your convoy hit an IED.

Sum it up:
The PT test is to ensure you're not a fatass, and won't cost the military med money/be a visual disgrace.
Jobs that require a level of fitness will demand it reguardless of sex.
Women are naturally going to perform at a lower level than men. That doesn't matter in POG jobs, and if you think they should be contractors, then you imply we should contract all POG jobs (which is a terrible can of worms discussion to open).

>>34448847

Just wait until NK starts some shit and it's post 9/11 recruiting all over again for the old fucks.

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>>34449045
>and what exactly do we gain by eliminating women from the talent pool?
They can become contractors or go into MIC, if they so wish.
>I refuse to believe you don't understand that a woman will be just as conditioned as a man, but perform at a lower level.
Likewise, I refuse to believe you don't understand that a woman who cannot perform at the same level as a man is not as fit as that man.
>The PT test is about staying healthy so you don't bankrupt the VA/tricare
The PFT would not be nearly as rigorous as it is if that were true.
>Your 100/100 male run time is not going to save you when a mortar slips past the CRAM and lands in your tent, or when shrapnel rips up through your body at 500 FPS because your convoy hit an IED.
What exactly are you arguing here? No one has ever contested this idea.
>Sum it up:
>The PT test is to ensure you're not a fatass, and won't cost the military med money/be a visual disgrace.
Wrong. It's to ensure a minimum fitness level, and holding women to a lower standard hurts the military. There are plenty of thin people who cannot and should not serve in the military.
>Jobs that require a level of fitness will demand it reguardless of sex.
The PFT defines that level of fitness.
>Women are naturally going to perform at a lower level than men. That doesn't matter in POG jobs, and if you think they should be contractors, then you imply we should contract all POG jobs (which is a terrible can of worms discussion to open).
Except that's not what I said. I said women should go to civilian contractors. Men could choose between military and contracting.
This is going nowhere because you refuse to acknowledge that women are not as fit as men, and that imposing a double standard between men and women is an inherent hypocrisy. This is just us two repeating ad nauseum our points so let's just end it here with how much of a retarded fucking faggot you are, and pic related is you. Good night, you whiteknighting fag.

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>>34448104

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Women can be badass operators too!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristin_Beck

>>34449151
Stfu bigot. Maybe women won't be afraid to be as stong as men if there wasn't hateful rhetoric like yours.

>>34449346
>afraid to be strong
>afraid to enable themselves to rise above oppression
>in a world that is less and less of a boy's club where women are paid the same as men
You want to know a secret, anon? You're the racist, sexist, xenophobic one. You just express it by thinking that you're somehow better than women/blacks/other cultures and that gives you some divine qualification to help "fix" them.

Enough with this stupid fucking shit and answer my question.

Does MEPS actually call your references? I need to know this before I write down references.

>>34449346
>Women can be badass operators too!

Lol I knew exactly who this was when you posted it.

In the grim darkness of the 21st Century men can even be better women than women can.

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My recruiter told me not to put down that I took anxiety meds when I was younger, and I chose a job that needs a TS

>>34449400
is this for the dd 2708 or the sf 86? For the DD, most likely no. For the SF, most likely no for non-TS clearance, and most likely yes for TS clearance. Hope that helps.

>>34449430
They only go back 7 years for mental health shit for TS clearance.

>>34449431
I don't know what it's called. It's just a stack of papers I need to fill out and return to my recruiter before I go to meps this week.

Questionnaire for National Security Positions

>>34449431
>and most likely yes for TS clearance.

Just a heads up, they will probably talk to people you don't put down as references. The investigators talked to people I didn't put down as references.

>>34449452
>Questionnaire for National Security Positions
This form goes to OPM, not MEPS. If you are getting a TS, OPM will call your refs. If you're getting a secret clearance or below, you don't have to worry.

How common is it for 35M's to see combat during wartime?

>>34449462
I plan on going 03, so I'm certainly not getting a TS. This is good news. Thank you

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>>34449398
>You want to know a secret, anon? You're the racist, sexist, xenophobic one. You just express it by thinking that you're somehow better than women/blacks/other cultures and that gives you some divine qualification to help "fix" them.
*uncovers face*

I bet you didn't know that I'm a female KKK member from Africa but how did you guess that other stuff?

>>34449500
Regardless, don't put shitheads, troublemakers, druggies, or blabbermouths in your references. Your mom's friends, your dad's friends, and the neighbor who barely knows you should do fine.

>>34449483
>How common is it for 35M's to see combat during wartime?

That depends on your unit and the deployment. You could end up doing detainee operations which means debriefing and interrogating prisoners or you could be walking around a neighborhood talking to people during cordon&searches.

>>34449550
My main problem is I don't know anyone at all to put as references. The only people I can think to put as my references are people whom I haven't talked to in 5 years or more. The last thing is the government calling someone I haven't spoken to in 8 years and asking about me. That would be weird as shit.

>>34449604
How old are you?

>>34449608
18.

I was homeschooled. That tells you everything.

If I want to go to basic next summer for the Army, how early on should I start the enlistment process?

>>34449639
Your mom's friends. Your dad's friends. Your neighbor. There you go. They know you enough to acknowledge your existence. Not enough to say anything foolish about you. You're welcome.

I drunkenly poked my head in a place I'm pretty sure has counterintelligence and said "I know there's CIA in there," what is the likelyhood of this being on some sort of record and/or the CIA caring about me, assuming I have a familial connection to the IC?

Anybody know how difficult it is to become a Navy Diver? What kind of tests, requirements, etc.
Or any other Welding jobs in the Navy that are highly desired in the civilian workforce

>>34450084
rUN

>>34447517
I can imagine the obese neck rolling that occurred while this post was typed up.

Should you lie about medical history to get in? Should I follow the maxim no,no,never? Already lying about pot, but that's most of the military.

>>34450084
RIP, Anon

I tried enlisting in the Air Force in 2011. I got a 98 on my ASVAB and was all set to go but then they discovered the ticket I got for being at a party with weed back in college. I make 100k+ a year now anyway so fuck it.

>>34447373
Women, from the outset, have proven that they are not as capable or qualified as the men when they needed special "women's only" platoons to train in.

Women don't shave their heads, are not held to the same PT standards, and are taught by other women.

>>34449584
Does becoming Airborne qualified influence this in any way?

>>34450489
Diver school is physically intensive, and usually you put in a request for it after you join. Hull Techs do some welding.

>>34447373

Fatties and people in wheelchairs can be "valuable, productive members of society" but that doesn't mean they belong in the military.

Look at the Marines' own findings: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/04/454672813/controversial-marine-corps-study-on-gender-integration-published-in-full

Does anyone here know how the Navy scores the pilot aptitude parts of the ASTB?

>>34450084
You were fucking safe, until you fucking posted it, you dumb shit! Prepare your ass for Hakeem, you just got stationed at Gitmo.

How do I work past the embarrassment and utter depression instilled into my very soul by the looks and words that have been spewed unto me by parents for even mentioning enlisting in the Navy.

am 20 year old on the precipice of graduating college and want to live for the first time in my life. But the thought of disappointing the only two people in my life chokes me with a cold grief. I would've taken this to a feels thread if it wasn't mili related.

>>34453825
You are 20. You are more than old enough to make your own decisions in regard to employment. Finish college, thank them for their time and get yourself in the Navy. Keep contact with them to a minimum and work on from there.

Or alternatively, continue worrying about what they think. That'll work great, I'm sure.

>>34453851
Thanks for the response Anon. And I try to keep that mindset but I was that protected kid who's parents never let him do anything. I commute every week because of them not wanting me to live away from home yet. I know its just me being a pansy ass but I've never know life away from their authority and them directing my life if that makes sense. I plan to go through with it regardless, I just hate they treat me.

>>34453825
>enlisting in the Navy
I'd be ashamed of you too.

>>34453881
>>34453890

If you're going to have a degree soon, why not be an officer?

>>34453890
Plan on going FMTB
>>34453897
It's just my associates, I was planning on starting Nursing school after I got this degree but I found out what a Corpsman was and here we are. and yes I'm Male

It's over boys, I popped on a piss test.

>>34453881
There really is nothing to be ashamed with about that. The internet is full of tough guys who lie about how hard they are. You're honest, which goes a long way.

It's entirely possible that you are, unfortunately, a lost cause. They'll worm their way in and try and persuade you that you're being badly treat, or want to come home, or want to do something else. Do not listen to them, because they are lying. You can prevent this by fully committing. Call them on your own time and don't make it a regular thing.

>>34453939
You actually understand what I mean then. Its almost abuse, they tell me awful shit about the military, when neither of them even graduated high school let alone even considered a branch. I'm going to enlist if its the last thing I do but it really fucking hurts that the only two people in this world I care for will do this type of thing. I've spoken with a classmate who is several years older than I and is a Navy reservist. She says I should go as soon as possible and at least speak with a recruiter.

Forgive me if this has turned into a blog post but I am genuinely lost on who to turn to since the people I normally do are the cause of this.

>>34453923
Noice 1. What for?

>>34453981
You're forging your own way, man, and that's admirable. Overcoming parents who undercut you and sabotage you when you show initiative or independence is a feat that takes a lot of gumption.

>>34453923

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

>>34453981

If they're people worth having in your life, they'll come around. If they hate you forever for trying to better yourself, they're just cancer that you need to cut out anyways.

>>34447032
I'm thinking of joining an EOD team. Which branch should I go to?
Any EODfags here? What can I expect?

>>34454026
>>34454039
From one stranger to others this has helped and I thank you.

>>34453981
Yes, you should.

You cannot risk any documents, papers or phone calls going to your parents. Do not mention the Navy to them again, or anything, even if they ask. The process does not need to involve them from a legal standpoint. I can guarantee that they will attempt to sabotage you. It's entirely possible that they'll do so over things that blacklist you for your entire life. Claims of violent actions, drug dealing, aggression, mental health, delusion and so on. You do not want that following you around.

I had many issues with junior soldiers over the years who had been lied to by parents and girlfriends, many of whom cut their careers short over it. Some listened, others were pulled out by the tentacles of relatives who hated not having control over their lives. Another more infamous case was dragged out the Army by his "sick" mother and later wound up in a very unpleasant set of circumstances, which culminated in his imprisonment. That would have been avoided entirely if they had broken the connection.

I would also recommend finding somewhere else to live in the meantime, but I know how hard that can be at times.

>>34454085
The Navy reservist friend I had and one other relative told me the same. Just up and go when its time. I would move out but my Job at the local grocer isn't much. I'm basically a cuck in my own home to my wants and ideas rather than a wife.

>>34454117
Keep it quiet until then, then.

You could even have a word with the recruiter. They'll ask you how your family think. This is probably the most important question they ask at this stage, despite it being presented as an off the cuff one. Stress to them just how much your parents hate it, because if you go "Oh, they don't mind" to try and avoid it - it may come back to bite you.

Explain that you have zero support from home and he may be able to pull some strings for you to live somewhere else - or at least have your mail and details sent elsewhere. I have no idea how that side of things works, but it has been done. Usually for those of a certain religious background, but other circumstances allow.

>>34454146
Thanks for the info Anon

>>34447032
Has anyone done Blue to Green before? Currently a Navy MA and want to switch to Airborne infantry. How likely will I get airborne school in my contract? How do I ensure I get 11b and not 11c? The main reason I'm switching is to be a private security contractor and the more lucrative jobs require at least one combat deployment. Also I hear the Airborne divisions work closely with Rangers and Green Berets so I'd like a glimpse into that lifestyle to decide if I want something higher speed. Any advice is welcome.

>>34454164
Hey anon. Active duty navy here but I'm not a corpsman. As previously mentioned you MUST distance yourself from your parents as soon as possible. If your goal is to become a nurse corpsman will give you lots experience. Also you can go over seas for your first duty station which will help you distance yourself from your parents. Also within a couple hours of stepping foot into boot camp you're stripped naked, given a uniform, and forced to put your phone and clothes into a box to mail home. Talk to a recruiter ASAP. Get the process started and you can leave as soon as you graduate.

How far will an associate's degree in history and a TS clearance get you in the civilian world

If you go to MEPS with a job reservation and get PDQ, then come back to MEPS eligible, do you still have that job reservation or do you have to wait for it to open again?

>>34447775

No.

They convince them they're elite because the marine corps has no money to provide the same benefits as the army. Army vs Marine infantry are the same thing these days. SOF is first in and there is no "frontline fodder" in modern war.

>>34453598
The closer to 9, the better

>>34453921
Corpsman is a competitive program, so be wary. Also, it's 5 year contract, not 4 like most enlisted

>>34454042
Boredom

DO NOT GO GUARD IF YOU PLAN ON GOING THE OFFICER ROUTE.

You do so much bullshit for a fraction of the paycheck and no bennies its not even funny. Maybe its because I have a dyke for a commander but if i could do it all over again I'd go either active, AF or Coast Guard.

>>34455355
Your fault for not going to a state with actual bennies desu

Hi guys, I'm making my my 2nd trip to the Army Career Center tomorrow. I'm planning on choosing intelligence as my primary career interest but I have some concerns of a nature that I'd prefer not to bring up with my recruiter, so if anyone here could allay them it'd be much appreciated.

I'm aware that OCS has a pretty well understood don't ask don't tell policy for the background check (no homo), but I'm concerned about the extent to which an SSI for TS clearance could dig into a potential officer candidate's background. If they were to dig up say, a misdemeanor that had been expunged and whiped off a record 6 years ago, would they completely expel you from OCS? Will there there be a polygraph involved and will involve questions over drug tests?

I'm wondering because I feel that I may need to pursue a different career field depending on the answer to my questions.

>>34454929
What is there to be wary of, I like to think I'm a decent student. What other things are there to be concerned of?

>>34454565
No idea of you're still around but yea. I'm gonna hit up a recruiter as soon as I can and just stop trying to get them to understand.

>>34455577
Meant to say drug use, not drug tests. And to clarify without going into detail, I can pass a drug test with flying colors without cheating.

>>34454018
>>34454039
Meth. I don't even do meth though.

>>34449151
This is a new level of ignorance.
>They can become contractors or go into MIC, if they so wish.
Contractors are not at all a replacement for uniformed personnel performing military functions. They cost 3x as much and are extremely unflexible.

>>The PT test is about staying healthy so you don't bankrupt the VA/tricare
>The PFT would not be nearly as rigorous as it is if that were true.
You seriously think running 1.5/2 miles and doing some rapid calisthenics tests your combat ability? That's scary. It's because people who can run that in a specified time and do the exercises have a lower risk of developing health issues, When you're paying for full medical care, you're quite invested in your servicemember's health.

>Wrong. It's to ensure a minimum fitness level, and holding women to a lower standard hurts the military.
Please elaborate what damage is caused, other than simpletons like yourself who think "it's not fair!".

>There are plenty of thin people who cannot and should not serve in the military.
True, which is why the PFT is not just a waist tape test.

>Jobs that require a level of fitness will demand it reguardless of sex.
>The PFT defines that level of fitness.
Wrong yet again. PJs take the PAST, for example, along the with fitness assesment.

>I said women should go to civilian contractors. Men could choose between military and contracting.
So if the POG jobs don't require physical performance, why should women not be able to do them?

I suspect that your desire to have no women in the military goes further than PT performance. PT has no bearing on most non-combat jobs, and to restrict women from those jobs is a massive disservice to the military.

>>34453582
Notice how I've said "non combat" this entire time, and never did I imply that fat people or disabled people should be in the military.
A fit woman in a *non combat* job is fine.

>>34455577
TS is mostly just interviewing your references and making sure you don't have a sketchy foreign family. They will ask your references about your drug use. They'll be able to find anything criminal so don't omit it in the first place. It doesn't sound like anything that will DQ you so just get it out of the way.

Poly is a scare tactic, nothing else.

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>>34455669
>all this butthurt a day late and a dollar short
this is why no one wants vaginas in the military. you hold a grudge over shit that's been over and done with and act like hot shit while you're making an ass of yourself. find a bridge and GET OVER IT.

>>34455577

Stop talking yourself out of OCS. Just admit you did drugs like every other stupid teenager and apply for the necessary waivers.

>>34455786
>1 misdemeanor (but less than a half dozen)
If you were arrested by police or brought before a judge, it's out there and they will find it whether you like it or not. If you were never caught and it was more than 7 years ago, go ahead and hide that pot use, but with a misdemeanor you better just come out and say it.

>>34455839
>>34455813
I'm going to operate under the assumption that it's wise to not be too candid on this general.

That being said, how does one go about getting a waiver?

>>34455585
Good do that. Some small info I can give is that your school to become a corpsman is in San Antonio, Texas, you can become a medic for Marines, as previously mentioned it's very competitive to rank up. Best I can give for now. Maybe some corpsman can answer any other questions you have.
Keep pushing forward anon. Don't let your shitty parents ruin your life.

>>34455858
>That being said, how does one go about getting a waiver?
Ask your recruiter. Tell him there's a record of it when you were a juvenile. He'll tell you that you'll need to get a waiver. Also, for shit involving a criminal record, they won't stop you at the background investigation (if such a thing were even required). They'd stop you even before that. Don't lie about government record shit (even if it was "expunged").

>>34455878
Thanks Anon. I'd love to talk with a Corpsman if they had the time. How to prepare for A. school, how to increase my chances of getting a FMTB slot, ect. I get I will have to go blue side eventually but I'd rather postpone that as much as possible

>>34455577
>If they were to dig up say, a misdemeanor that had been expunged and whiped off a record 6 years ago, would they completely expel you from OCS?


That would be fraudulent enlistment subject to the penalty of prison time.

>>34456017
Go away recruiter

>>34456047
Lying about a misdemeanor and enlisting with the pretense of going to OCS? Yeah you don't need to be a recruiter to know that's fucking retarded and you will get yourself in some deep shit

>>34456071
If a recruiter tells you to lie about a criminal history is he generally full of shit?

>>34456104
>lying about the one thing that's impossible to hide and will always get you in trouble
geez, i wonder

>>34456071
yes its retarded, but nobody goes to jail for fraudulent enlistment. thats recruiter BS

>>34456130
Ok smartass, well what would a recruiter have to gain from that then?

>>34456156
>Ok smartass, well what would a recruiter have to gain from that then?
his ass in hot water when the poor SOB who listens to him rats him out.

>>34456177
I guess OCS was a short-lived dream for me then.

How much worse are Marine Corps living conditions really?

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Got sworn into the USN with AV rate. What am I in for?

>>34456195
You can still try, but you have to try hard.

Natalia. Sigh.

>>34455635
ADHD pills?

>>34455792
I apologize for having a job and going to work during the day.

>>34454914
I knew that, but I know that there are parts of the test with no obvious scoring system, like the "choose two statements about yourself" bit, in which the two statements may not apply to you or even be exclusive to each other.

>>34444444

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>>34456766
>being so butthurt you pick up dead arguments a day later
>b-but i had to work! how can you expect me to not beat a dead horse?
and people wonder why women in uniform get shit on.

>>34457085
Is the person you're replying to actually a confirmed woman?

Hello friends, I'm pretty stuck between choosing 35M and 68W. I know those are drastically different, but I was wondering if anyone could give me the pros and cons of these MOS's

>>34457462
either a chick or a super betamax whiteknight. would fit right into the air force.

Fort Sam Houston is hoe central. We got Army hoes, Navy hoes, Air Force hoes and the super rare Coast Guard hoes. I went from being worried about getting laid when I first got here to worrying about catching something now. Thank the fucking lord above for this being my training command.

Going to Ft. Leonard Wood for 13B OSUT. Anybody know if you get any weekend privileges after the "basic" part is over?

>>34456197
You don't even want to know how bad some places are. There are some barracks that have been condemned for years with marines still living there.

>>34456753
Nah. It's probably one of the other drugs I'm on. I don't think I would be in if I had ADHD.

>>34457525
Wrong, wrong, and wrong.

Sorry I'm not an omega-tier brainlet who clings to his gender as his only source of self-worth.

Any of you fags going down to RMC Tuesday?

>>34451702
>Does becoming Airborne qualified influence this in any way?

Well yes, because it lets you go to airborne units or units that require support personnel to be airborne qualified. But that doesn't guarantee that you're going to be attached to cool guys and out doing HUMINT support for cool guys. You could end up deploying to a theater level shop and doing detainee operations if you were with, say, XVIII AB Corps.

>>34453921
>It's just my associates, I was planning on starting Nursing school after I got this degree but I found out what a Corpsman was and here we are. and yes I'm Male

Honestly it could be good for you to have a break.

I enlisted before college and I think it's the best decision I ever made. I would have never made it through four years of post secondary straight out of high school. But I also absolutely hated school for a multitude of reasons and only finished high school because I wanted to wrestle varsity and had to keep my grades up. If it weren't for that I would have probably dropped out. Instead of being a college drop out with nothing to show for it I enlisted, got my college mostly paid for, and I'm going to grad school.

One of my roommates was in a similar situation to you now. He was a traditional student (straight from high school to college), in an engineering program that put a lot of stress on him academically that high school doesn't really prepare you for, and because he was away from home for the first time he partied a lot too. So he ended up stopping after his fourth semester and has decided to enlist while taking a break from school.

When you finish your AA there is absolutely nothing wrong with enlisting and then using the GI Bill to pay for your Bachelor's and then grad school if you end up going.

What reserve MOSes are easiest to go active from? Any of them that technically can be active duty but are nearly impossible to go active for?

>>34453981
>when neither of them even graduated high school

This sort of changes things. Mostly because they seem to be pushing you to the point that you feel it is abusive.

But I think it's something that people that aren't from a lower to lower middle class background don't understand. There are social and generational pressures on lower and lower middle class, or working class, people that can be exacerbated by unsupportive parents. I was lucky that only my father had dropped out of school and both of my parents were very supportive of me and my brothers growing up. But for those that don't have a support network these kinds of pressures can be overwhelming. It has to do with a lack of generational knowledge and social pressure to remain "humble" by not improving yourself. But it's not quite as insidious as the wealthier far right would have you believe, as in it's out of laziness or moral failing. It's just ignorance and it can manifest in many ways, from criticizing your choice of education or employment to how you dress.

It's something you're going to have to move past. And you shouldn't hold a grudge because your parents likely think they are telling you to do what they think is best because they don't know better.

>>34458356
This might be a dumb question, but do you have any other influence or say on what unit you're assigned to (outside of jump school, RASP, etc.)? Or does the Army just pick based on their needs?

>>34458401
I thought about taking a break but I would be working the whole time anyway. Its kinda expected of me as it is regardless if I'm in or out of school so it wouldn't be much of a break. If I don't spend many years in I probably will get my bachelors or maybe Masters in a desired field of study.


>>34458448
Being from Bum fucked no where in KY you have it spot on. They have never aspired to do anything besides work a local job and pop out children. I don't want to work in a local factory until my demise. But they can see no other future for me and keep repeating I'm just gonna go straight and die.

Thanks for all the responses and opinions Anons. This has really helped today.

>>34458449
>but do you have any other influence or say on what unit you're assigned to

AFAIK you put together a wish list. But I haven't been through TRADOC in ten years so it might have changed.

Short answer: No

Long answer: You can reenlist with the option to PCS (permanent change of station) or you can contact your branch manager (person who is the "head" of your MOS) through your retention NCO or directly and try to request a PCS to a post that has a need for your MOS, put this is after you're already at your first unit. But your mileage may vary.

>>34458496
Thanks, I appreciate the help

>>34458479
>If I don't spend many years in I probably will get my bachelors or maybe Masters in a desired field of study.

Unless you plan to stay in for 20 you really should just do a single enlistment and move on. You'll have money for school and you'll have experience that will nudge you slightly above your peers when it comes to your resume (keep in mind that when you go back to school your "peers" will be the people you're in school with at that time, not those your same age, because that's who you'll be competing with for jobs). There are some caveats to that but it would require a longer post.

What field do you want to study?

>Being from Bum fucked no where in KY you have it spot on.

I'm from Florida, but it's still the same story. It's a class issue that is unfortunately pervasive and self replicating. Something else I want to stress is that it's not the cause for poverty or the existence of lower socioeconomic classes, it's the result of existing in those classes. It's an extremely toxic environment that shapes every single thing about those who exist in it and inform every single one of their perspectives. It takes a monumental amount of work to completely change and you're already taking the first step.

>They have never aspired to do anything besides work a local job and pop out children.

This is unfortunately the situation many find themselves in generationally. It's the dirty secret that people don't want you to recognize because then you wouldn't shit on black and brown people for being caught up in the same situation.

There are skills and knowledge that you aren't going to have generationally that you need to develop to better yourself from this point forward. These include networking (this is so important, and I've harped on it in past MEG threads that I've posted in), how to dress for a business to business casual environment, keep abreast of current events, basic etiquette etc. That may seem overwhelming but take it one thing at a time.

>>34458315
you've spent this entire thread being supremely assblasted, and insist on continuing to beat a dead horse for god knows what reason. if you're not a chick, you certainly are a super beta whiteknight. try getting over yourself. an adult with a job who can't manage that much must be the most insufferable prick to work with.

>>34458572
If I don't do 20 years I'd like to get my Masters in Nursing. I love the medical field and helping people who are wounded or sick. I found out that I actually like caring for people who actually need it through my first Clinical stage whilst getting my CNA license. But I've always loved the military growing up I always loved anything to do with it, as well as firearms, getting an ancient piece of Army surplus would keep me entertained and delighted far longer than any modern gadget would have at certain ages in my childhood. Plus job security and the promise to at least live a little and see bits of the world before I die is why I've chosen to go FMTB. But getting past all this and getting myself in shape feels really impossible. But I have to do it or I'll never be satiated.

>>34458664
You shouldn't do 20 years. It's just really not worth it unless you're an officer.

As far as getting in shape do Couch to 5K.

>>34458689
I did consider doing a bit as enlisted then get my bachelors and go OCS

>>34458700

At this point you need to look at the 25 meter target: single enlistment.

Between the time you get on the bus at MEPS to the time you finish your first contract on active duty your perceptions about the military and your goals can completely change, possibly to something you can't conceive of right now. It's good to have a long term idea of where you want to be but it's also important to remain flexible. If you get too stuck on a specific path, especially when it comes to the military, you're very likely to be disappointed.

>>34447032
>Thinking about going Coast Guard
Hows life on a icebreaker? Is being a Bluenose a good career choice?

>>34458689
>You shouldn't do 20 years. It's just really not worth it unless you're an officer.

So did you retire at 20 or later?

If i joined ADF Reserves and this North Korea thing were to boil over would i see action?

>>34459926
No, you wouldn't. Cunt.

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>>34458315

>>34458689
If you can tolerate, or even enjoy the military lifestyle for 20 years, it is absolutely worth it to retire.
The cash aspect of the retirement is worth $1M easily, and that's not including healthcare for the rest of your life. There's also plenty of other benefits too, such as space-a travel and use of base facilities for free.

The pay isn't even that bad while you're in, with the tax brakes afforded for BAS and BAH. As a rule of thumb, an E-7 who's been in 16 or so years is bringing home somewhere around the same amount as a civ who makes 90k, and probably with way better benefits.

You are on the right track through. In most cases, it's best to either do 4 years, or make the whole 20. That's how the military can afford those retirements; they know that 80% of people will never claim that retirement money.

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>>34461241

>>34461241
*leans into mic*

Wrong!

>>34449545 Is me.

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If you know there's plenty of culture appropriating and identity thieving going on. I hope this comforts you.

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>>34461854
>Complaining about identity theft on an anonymous imageboard

If I do 4 years then go serve for the military of some other nation for a while will I be able to reenlist back home?

>>34461973
the us military does not accept people who have served foreign militaries.

How long is the average work day for blue collar navy rates

>>34462044
Incorrect.

>>34462100
you're right. I was thinking security clearances. it's hard to get a security clearance if you've served in another nation's military.

>>34461973
>the us military does not accept people who have served foreign militaries.

When I was in there was a mechanic in my unit who had been in the Jamaican Army before he moved to the US.

Got MEPS tomorrow. Any tips? Already know my answer for everything is 'no' and 'none'
I know I'm not gonna be very comfortable having to be watched pissing into a cup.

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>just told my parents im planning on joining the military
JUST

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Anyone go to a military academy here?

I'm about to graduate community college next semester with around a 3.6-3.8 GPA and I have a high school diploma, no GED. Is West Point a good idea and what are the chances they would pick me over anyone else? Should I take the SAT as well? (Community college didn't require one if I didn't have to get a GED)

>Free college*
>*5 year military contract at the end
>Militaristic environment w/ field training
>No more fat dykes in Thrasher t-shirts and people skateboarding who don't even go to the school in the first place

Sounds bretty gud to me.

>>34462280
That, too, is dependent on what it is you can bring to the table.

The difficulties with security clearances for foreigners and people who have lived abroad has nothing to do with their former military service, as that's probably the easiest part of their records to access or acquire. It's all the other stuff that's easy to find out in the USA that is much harder, or impossible, to do abroad.

>>34463074
it takes a while to do an academy application, you need a congressman or governor to recommend you too iirc. Not something you decide on a whim
>should I take the SAT as well
jeez

>>34463074

The academies are going to dumpster any credits you have and start you over at day 1 as far as college education goes.

They're good schools, but you're pretty late to the game.

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>>34462828
walk up to the the recruiter, look him in the eye, give him a firm handshake and ask if they have any jobs available, son.

>>34463074
If you want to serve, I would recommend transferring to a school with a ROTC program and earning your commission through that.

The service academies are super competitive to get in and none of your credits will transfer. Also traditional colleges will be much more enjoyable to go to.

>>34462828
clean your asshole

Hey guys, just got my fingerprints done today.. how does the Army view arrests without convictions for misdemeanors (i.e. I have never been convicted of a misdemeanor)?

Looking to get into OCS but my hopes are pretty much dashed at this point.

>>34463074
how old are you?
apparently its much easier to get into the academies as an enlisted guy, so long as you can do a service contract before you turn 25

>>34448271
Different guy, but made ssg in 4 years 9 months as an 11B. I averaged 260's for PT. But I could read, write, and speak clearly, so I kept replacing shitbirds who could do none of those things. The boards, and subsequent promotions, were afterthoughts.

also,
>>34448351
secondary zone has nothing to do with your CoC. That's big army. When i made my 6, pz points were 300ish, and sz points were 350ish.

>>34463990
I just turned 19 in June, I could try and get enlisted once I finish my studies next summer. I took a mock ASVAB a year back and I got a 71 without studying, would getting at 90+ AFQT on it help admission later on or will just service in general do it?

>>34463287
So just get the degree rather than attempt to transfer my credits? I declared Criminology + Sociology as a major before I realized it was a meme so I figured the school wouldn't transfer a good few of my credits anyways.

>>34463861
Could you give me a quick rundown on ROTC, the goarmy website is kind of confusing in it's analysis of it. Is it a class + lab I take? Do I visit the college football field every weekend to LARP with buddies? Anyways, I don't have ROTC at my college but others in my area do, could I just apply for a program where I would just visit that college for the course or do I have to be enrolled at that college to begin with? Also, am I able to complete it in 2 years since by the time I get around to it I'll already be halfway done with my college career.

>>34463118
Well thankfully New York has almost 30 representatives, hopefully I can bug at least 2-3 of them enough to give me a vacancy.

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>>34463675
im going to go officer route. just gotta get more in shape, want to make sure i can max pft

>>34463990
This is true.
I know, as least as far as USAFA is concerned, that they have to allocate a certain number of slots to enlisted people. They rarely fill those slots, and as long as you meet the qualifications, you'll probably make it in.

>Be citizen
>Younger than 22 years old (you'll have to do an extra year of prep school)
>No dependents/spouse/incoming child

Most people who want to commission don't go that route unless they are dead set on being a pilot.
USAFA is 4 long years of tough schooling, semi-boot camp environment, and a generally strict lifestyle. OTS will have you an officer in 3 months, but it's a very difficult 3 months.

>>34464405
My buddy did Army ROTC... so this is 2nd hand knowledge
You add a military class to your schedule, do morning PT 3x a week, play soldier and shit on some weekends/evenings and there's some other stuff you have to do in the summer too.

I'm sure if you call the detachment at whatever college you're planning they can answer your other questions.

It's a decent time commitment, but I wouldn't say it's worse than holding down a part time job. Way better though, since you can get your entire degree paid for... and 2LTs don't make bad money.

>>34453825
If you care what your parents think you are a weakling. Fuck them. Just because you fell out of someone's cunt after someone else busted a nut in the aforementioned roastie nine months prior does not mean you should be enslaved to them forever. That's Muslim thinking. Are you a sand nigger? If yes, KYS and stay out of my military.

I didn't tell my parents, who approved, that I was enlisting because it was my choice and not fucking up for discussion or debate!

BTW join the Air Force if you want a career. All other services a shit for careers but optimal for suffering while trapped in a waterfall of retards.

Your parents will either respect you later for doing well, or if not, tough shit for them.

>>34453923
You got what you really wanted so enjoy the results of your premeditated choice.

>>34454164
I'd go further and tell the recruiter your parents are frothing liberal idiots you want to escape for obvious reasons. He'll understand.

Your parents are sick evil domineering losers and that's being kind. They want to suffocate you and trap you in fail so they can control you.

Tell me I'm wrong. I've seen that shit many times before.

>>34461212
Retiree here and not having to work for the last third or half of your life is insanely nice. I enjoyed the Air Force and I enjoy being free.

I haven't felt a Recession, ever. All my shit's paid for and life is sweet. Ask any retired NCO or officer if you doubt me.

>>34462816
>I know I'm not gonna be very comfortable having to be watched pissing into a cup.

You get used to it, and one day YOU can be a Weenie Watcher. Don't fake it or you can go down with someone who submits a tampered sample. You must see the urine leave the body.

It's only a penis. You'll see a forest of those in all lengths, shapes, colors and curvatures. Pleasant dreams.

>>34464634
>suffering while trapped in a waterfall of retards.
Fun fact: You described the Air Force as well. If your idea of a "career" is the enlisted corps, you already fucked up.

>in a hotel at meps right now
>lying bed
>feeling homesick
>questioning why I'm here

If I can't manage through this, i should probably just off myself

Fuck this gay shit

>>34465223
how old are you

>>34465223
hey anon I'm in the boat right next to you. Not homesick or anything though.
What branch/MOS you shotting for?

>>34464929
If you join some pleb shit like Security Forces then yeah, it's going to be a shitshow of retards and misery.
If you join something that speaks to your interests, the work week will fly by as fast as a work week can.
If you want to be a manager/leader/pilot, become an officer.
If you want to do the actual work being managed, enlist.

>>34464733
What was your AFSC?

>>34465223
It's all part of leaving home buddy.
I was that fresh 18 year old at bootcamp, and looking back, the thing that made it 100x worse than it really was, was the homesickness.
You're turning the page to a new chapter of your life. It's very bittersweet. Make it through boot camp, and you'll be a self-supporting man, something that will take many of your peers the better part of a decade.

Please don't quit, though, because you're homesick. Stick with it, and you'll look back in a year and laugh.

>>34465268
19.
>>34465291

Marines, 03. I scored a 68 on the ASVAB so I think I can qualify for nearly everything but fuck it.

>>34465344
This makes me feel better. Seriously, it does. I have absolutely zero support for what I'm doing and I feel like a piece of shit doing this to my parents, even though I'm an adult now and can make my own decisions, the thought of letting down my old man pains my soul. I most likely won't quit, but I also hate to feel like a failure to my parents. The feeling is empty.

>>34465438
you are young, you've never lived away from home I assume.
it will pass. As the other anon said, it is all part of growing up.

>>34459926
Reserves? Probably not. You could be on alert at a base in AUS though, since China would likely be trying some tricky things in the event of war on the Korean peninsula

>>34464466
Navy OCS wasnt too bad, can't imagine AF one to be worse

>>34465223
I went to college and now im restless as shit that I didnt just go to an academy or enlist, and tear off the bandage of familial support and the agony that is living in civvie life. you'll be better off for it m8.

Health Disqualification question:
Will hemorrhoids disqualify you from enlistment? I bleed out my ass every once a few months then it goes away. Am I shit outta luck?

>>34465438
Your parents will come around once they see you at graduation. If they don't come to your graduation, they'll definitely be surprised and proud when you visit them.
Everyone gets anxiety when they leave the nest man, don't think too much about it (you still will) and focus on completing boot camp since that's your immediate goal

>>34465901
If there is no medical record of it, there's no hemorrhoids. Any hemorrhoids that do pop up are the sole responsibility of the US military.

>>34453825
Your parents are assholes, if that makes you feel any better.

>>34453897
>the "go officer" meme

I wish they would start putting this in the OP thread of /meg/; becoming an officer is a process that isn't guaranteed and can take years for selection, ship, and commission depending on the service and program. Some people aren't willing to do it. You don't "become" an officer just by having a degree.

>>34466159
Havent the acceptance rates been increasing drastically the last few years for every branches officer selection

>>34466223
Maybe but it doesn't really matter. Army OCS boards for example work like Packet submission -> 4 months -> selection -> 6 months -> ship. And that's with a flawless candidate and a competent recruiter. It takes time even with good selection rates.

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>>34449259

Good drawing

>>34449429
HA HA

>>34464647
I made a good choice.

>>34466245
guess ill try to get into the police in the meantime.

Why is there always so much "dont join the muhreens" in every thread?

Is it just a meem or is there a legitimate valid reason to not join the marines? Other than "theyre dumb lol"

>>34466639
>they're dumb
>most of them join because of a "need to prove something" complex
>they get treated like shit
>they're really fucking dumb

Does anyone have experience as 91F small arms/artillery repair in the army? Any advice for an aspiring 91F? Thanks guys.

>>34466639
More like there's really no reason *to* join the marines, as opposed to any other branch.
You want a combat arms job? Why not the Army?
You want a POG job that translates to skills on the outside? Why not Navy/AF?

>>34466245
I started compiling my packet last July, submitted in january, got accept in april, and am now waiting for another physical. I could ship anywhere from next month to february.

This is hell, and i shouldve gone ROTC or academy

>>34466639
It's a lot of extra suck for nothing more than bragging rights

>>34466804
Take that and add 15 months to it. That's how long I've been doing the program to enlist directly as a CID special agent. Worthless fucking recruiters who have been cycled out of the office recently held me up with lies and apathy. I really do hope the worst for them.

Packet submitted 31 days ago. Turnover is 30 days. Every day is a new kind of hell.

>>34466817
Bragging rights and less pay.

>>34466914
are you already enlisted though? im literally just taking dead end jobs to pay rent, and fucking around trying to not hurt myself before OCS.

I should amend that ive been doing a fuck ton of traveling, which is great, but im a fresh graduate that wants a kick in the ass and something to work at, not 4 physicals and then a shrug from my recruiter.

>>34466979
No, it works almost identical to OCS but you sacrifice being an officer to be an agent. Harder is a sense because recruiters are clueless about the program. Mine tried telling me it didn't exist until I went to his boss about it

Shipping out to basic in a few days. If my job doesn't need a clearance will they still interview my references?

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>4 days until NA/NFO selection board meets
>up to 2 weeks for them to release results after
thank god for japanese hentai games or i'd die of boredom.

Is it possible to find a girl that won't cheat on you while you're enlisted, or is it a lost cause?

>>34467303

Of course it is. But if you are unironically asking that, you probably won't be able to hold down a serious relationship yourself.

>>34467359
I'm not some MGTOW guy, I just always hear stuff like
>Wives pretty much always cheat on deployments
>Even if you think your girlfriend is an angel, she will be put in a position where she will cheat
>Girls only date military men for the bennies
and so on. I've seen many posts in these threads alone where people were bragging about being Jodi's. I was just curious if it was actually worth it to find a girl while you're in, or just wait until you get out of the military.

>>34465901

They actually checked us for hemorrhoids at MEPS but it was just a quick visual inspection of the anus. Unless you've got huge ones sticking out of your asshole you'll be fine.

>>34467394
It depends on what you mean by "find a girl."
>getting laid at all
Go ahead. Be warned of STDs though.
>getting a girlfriend
Don't hold out hope that she won't cheat. If it turns out she didn't cheat, you get to be pleasantly surprised (expect the worst, almost always be pleased with the result).
>marriage
This you should be very careful of. 50% of the population thinks they're making a great choice, but end up divorced down the road. If you find "the one" that you absolutely must marry, game theory predicts with a 50% chance of divorce that it is worthwhile to marry and collect BAH (of course, this is a gamble, so losing and ending up with less than you would have made staying single in the barracks is possible). Having kids, however, is almost never worthwhile game theory-wise.

If all that went over your head, think about it this way: it will be very difficult for you and your partner to wait until your service is up to have a stable life. "He's never around" will be a common complaint. Long distance relationships, regardless the military component, are very difficult to maintain. Then, you have to realize that when it comes to relationships, you will never "win" against women. There will always be women trying to take advantage of military men's benefits. There will always be bad people who act like "the one" around you but turn around and cheat as soon as you're off. This is certainly not every woman, so it's not like you're setting yourself up to get hurt every time. It's just that the time you would usually spend getting to know someone, looking for red flags, seeing how they react to different things, how they see the world, etc will be spent away from each other over skype while you're deployed.

That's why, if you wait until after you're out, you can actually spend the time with a girl to get to know her and thoroughly examine her behavior for red flags that indicate crazy/unfaithful women.

>>34467394
>she will be put in a position where she will cheat

It's more like

>she will be put in a position where the threshold for cheating will be significantly lower

This is due to:

1. You'll be gone regularly, and if you deploy you'll be gone for 9 months (if this holds up) or 12 months and maybe home for 2 weeks of R&R

2. She will be surrounding by a metric shit ton of horny 18-22 year old kids who are in better shape on average than the rest of the population

3. She's likely going to make friends with other military spouses because proximity is generally an indicator of who you befriend. It's why cops are almost always friends with just/mostly other cops. And it's likely that at least a couple of those spouses she will be spending time with cheat and that will also be an influence on her.

4. You're going to be stressed out at work or while deployed depending on your MOS and the individual circumstances of your deployment so you're more likely going to start fights and shit. Which is going to build up.

5. Soldiers cheat on their spouses too so that's going to be in the back of her mind every time you get in an argument or you're not home immediately after COB. And depending on her individual disposition this can cause her to justify cheating on you.

All of these are true outside of the military. But inside of the military they are more prolific.

I'm 26. Is it too late?

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I want to be a translator in the military, but i don't know if i should join the army(35P) or the navy(CTI). Which one will treat me the least like shit?

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I kind of want to join Russia's military as a foreigner.

5 year contract, after 3 years you're eligible for citizenship. Canada blows.

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>>34468535

Navy. Former CTI (Arabic, Iraqi Specialized. Pashto. Kurdish.)

Army is always Army, and the 35M, N, and Ps I worked with were all exactly as miserable as every other MOS.

Intel Navy is barely real Navy. Even when you do sea duty, you're in your own spaces doing your own thing, and aren't even really 'crew' in the conventional sense. You'll clean some shit, but realistically you're mission-assigned, which means you go to the ship for a few months, then back and forth for the duration of your sea duty. Dirt Navy part of it is pretty fucking sweet. Basically just an office job with a moderate-but-mandatory fitness program.*

>>34468582

Do you speak Russian?

>>34468620
Planning on learning. I know they reject a lot of people because they're not fluent enough.

>>34468602
Okay, navy it is than. Thanks. One last question though while you're here, if you could please. How hard was DLAB when you took it? I heard the test is pretty fucking brutal, and you have the learn a made up language and it's grammar on the spot. I know you can't tell me everything, but if you can have any tips on passing it, i would appreciate it.

Riddle me this batman, Ive lost 85 pounds have gotten my physical up to snuff and about to visit the recruiter later in the day. Hopefully Ill be off to meps soon. The only problem is my sleeping schedule is fucked. How do I fix?

>>34468626

Russia is not welcoming to foreigners, even if you gain citizenship through service. They do not worship or appreciate their military like western countries do. Be prepared for this.

Be very fluent. They will expect you to be an idiot, because only Russian officers are allowed to be intelligent. Concepts such as "reasonable dissent" and "countermanding unreasonable orders" will cease to apply. If you prove yourself to NOT be an idiot, you will be treated as one anyway. If you attempt to exert your intelligence over your officer, you will be punished if not shot. The officer is always correct. Always. He is the officer. Learn this now.

Otherwise, try to have fun. But you will not have fun.

>>34468641
Russia sounds like shit.

>>34468629
>I heard the test is pretty fucking brutal, and you have the learn a made up language and it's grammar on the spot

Cat, Cut, Cot, and Caught are not all the same word.

Really, though, there's no functional difference between the practice tests and the actual one aside from scale. Your understanding of language and grammar need to be very fluid. You need to understand and intuitively incorporate new information on the fly. It's hard, and you will think you failed no matter how well you did. I only took it once, forever ago (Early 2008). Didn't really study, but it's not one you can study for.

You'll only be afforded the opportunity to take it if your ASVAB is high enough, so definitely study for that.

>>34468641
I can honestly say I'm fine with all of the above (easier said than done). I'm holding out for now but this country is really going to shit. After my conversion to Orthodoxy I really can't stand living in this cesspool. I'd join our military but I ain't about to die for the country.

>>34468641
>Otherwise, try to have fun. But you will not have fun.

I smiled.

Also this post is true, all you fucking autists who want to go Spetz Opr8 need to grow the fuck up.

>>34468665
>I can honestly say I'm fine with all of the above

What about regular sexual assault from your superiors?

I guess you're fine with being pimped out by your platoon leader as well?

Nah you fucking stupid teenager. Life is going to get better and you're not the first person to dive head first into pessimism and you won't be the last. So turn off the Hawthorne Heights and Taking Back Sunday and get the fuck over yourself.

>I'd join our military but I ain't about to die for the country.

But you'd join the Russian Army and get your head chopped off by a fucking Chechen for Russia.

>>34468878
>What about regular sexual assault from your superiors?
>I guess you're fine with being pimped out by your platoon leader as well?

Yeah, I read the stories about how they treat people. Whether or not I fucking believe them is another story.

>But you'd join the Russian Army and get your head chopped off by a fucking Chechen for Russia.

Yeah.

>>34468893
>Yeah.

You're either 13 or a fucking idiot.

Follow this advice immediately
>turn off the Hawthorne Heights and Taking Back Sunday and get the fuck over yourself.

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>>34468902
I'm just reacting to you being an over dramatic bitch.

>a blooobloobloo, muh chechens

Is MEPS hotel sex as common a thing as I've heard?
I got in late, and had no assigned roommate, ended up having my ex come over to fuck for a couple hours.
Made me wonder about all the shit I hear about applicants fucking with eachother.

>>34469030

Common enough that they take steps to prevent it because nasty-as-fuck recruits spread STDs and get people pregnant right as they're about to head to training.

Looking at joining the navy soon, probably as a mineman. Anyone have any experience with this MOS? The recruiter i went to hadnt even heard of anyone wanting or getting it as their MOS

>>34451290
What a useful contribution to the thread, faggot

>>34462077
Depends entirely on your rate, ship, and how shitty your lpo is

>>34463074
USAFA-grad fag here. I applied to all the academies except Navy

How old are you? You must be 23 or younger when you enter.

>Is West Point a good idea and what are the chances they would pick me

West Point seems to like leadership experience and flowery essays more than the other academies. They are also super fast with letting you know if they accept you or not. USAFA likes grades the most, and with prior college classes that gives you an extra leg up. They took forever to turn around my application though. Coast Guard, well, I have no idea what the hell they want. I got rejected, and they're apparently insanely selective

>>34463118
>it takes a while to do an academy application, you need a congressman or governor to recommend you

This. You will want to start the application process right away, especially if you're approaching the age limit. It's about a 6 month process. There should be an Academy Liason Officer in or near your town and they can give you all the details about applying. I think each academy has an ALO locator on their sites. Basically it involves filing out the application while applying for a congressman or senator nomination at the same time.

>>34463287
>The academies are going to dumpster any credits you have and start you over at day 1 as far as college education goes

Yes, but maybe no. You can "validate" certain courses, but most of your college credits will be trashed. For USAFA, in the first or second week of BCT we took validation tests for Chem and Calculus 1/2. They may also take your AP tests (if you sent them to the Academy) to validate you out of other classes. I was able to validate Chem 100, Calc 1&2 through the tests. Then I validated World History, and some Econ major's class with my AP results, because I wrote down USAFA as one of the schools to send my score to.

>>34463074
>>34470336

>Should I take the SAT as well?

You have to have either an ACT or SAT score to apply. So get on that shit.

>>34468665
Where do you live?

>>34468911
he's not being a dick, you're just an edgy fuck who is either larping or drank some serious antifa kool-aid.

Why you would go to Russia over joining the Cadnadian forces, is beyond me. Just like the US, Canada has their shit together.

>>34447186
Fuck you faggot

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>>34469030
>zero women went to meps while i was there

Is it possible to lat transfer out of naval aviation once your commitment is up?

>owe the Navy 8 years, starting the day I get my wings
>will be in the Navy 10 years by that point, might as well stay in 10 more

I've been told picking up LCDR can be very competitive, so I was wondering why don't people lat transfer to a different community, specifically Intel.

>>34468665
>Canada is "going to shit" because I believe /pol/ memes
>Russian military is obviously the best choice for a non-Russian speaker like me

Yeah good luck kiddo. You're most likely to get rejected on the spot, then mugged/murdered by tracksuit-clad mobsters in an alleyway shortly after you leave the building.

>>34471853
Why not lat to EDO?

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So I've been filling out some list for the Navy, it requires a lot of info "past work places, several family members, places traveled, etc" to give to MEPS also everything needs a separate reference can't use one reference for two or more things like need someone non family for where I live but I can't use that person as a personal reference if I use them for my current address. I've been told that everyone get's some sort of background check done on them when joining, not matter the rate they go into. I've asked around today, some people recently joined and never had to fill one of these out this year.

Am I being rused? Am I being prepped for nuke or something without my complete knowledge?

>>34472547
that's the SF 86 for a security clearance. You're going for a job that requires either secret or top secret clearance.

>>34472644
do you need a sec. clearance to be a SWO?
I was going for a CTI enlisted rate but an officer recruiter scooped me up and encouraged me to go SWO. Would be nice if I didn't have to fill all this BS out

>>34472644
I haven't even signed anything for a rate yet. Hoping for either a Seabee rate or go Corpsman. I know some Corpsman assignments require a clearance but Seabees I don't know.

>>34472693
all officers need at least a secret. NA/NFO board is in a few days, so i can talk a little about the officer recruiting process.
>>34472711
If you've ever mentioned considering a job that needs a clearance, they'll just get you started on the paperwork right away. It doesn't get sent to OPM until the fingerprints are sent and the forms with the QR code are signed. Also, they won't actually start the investigation until you swear in and are ready to go to boot. The secret clearance is mostly "does he have any financial troubles or bad foreign connections (pakistan, russia)?" The top secret is "let's ask his refs if he has financial troubles or bad foreign connections (pakistan, russia)."

>>34472812
I lived for a short amount of time in a couple unsavory places where I didn't make friends with any neighbors
should I try to look up the landlord's info and use that as a ref? Not sure what else to do.

>>34472812
I don't have any personal connections to anyone in any other countries, I talk to people online from places like the UK and shit but nothing like Russia.

So I won't be getting investigated if I go into something that doesn't require a clearance? Are medical records pulled for secret clearance?

>>34472855
Landlord can be a ref. By unsavory, do you mean detroit? If so, that's fine. If by unsavory, you mean taliban training camp, you're fine.
>>34472895
>I talk to people online
Doesn't count.
>Are medical records pulled for secret clearance?
The only records they will pull are the ones relevant to the questions you're answering. That broken pinky 5 years ago won't come up.

>>34472910
yeah I mean shitty inner city areas in the US filled with crackheads and bedbugs

thanks for the advice

If I sign up for a space MOS in the Airforce but the Space Corps is created during my enlistment, what's the chance I'll just be absorbed into the Space Corps? What's the chance the Airforce will just send me somewhere else?

>>34472910
>If by unsavory, you mean taliban training camp, you're fine.
you're NOT fine. typo.

>got through MEPS
An anon here on /meg/ told me it's a carnival of retardation and autism. They were right.

>>34473234
I go Sunday, what was the most retarded thing that happened?

>>34473269
There was no singular thing. Just a compilation of dumb shit.

>>34473269
No I got it. The sheer number of 18/19 year old fresh out of highschool kids going for 6 years straight away. From Marines to army reserve. Signing 6 years away without thought. One of them didn't even get the MOS they wanted but did it anyway.

>>34447032
anyone have any tips for the DLAB?

>>34473345
Are mid 20s and older rare?

>>34473391
Less common. Go 3 year Your first time.

What's the best branch to join if you want to be a professional killman

>>34473949
Drone operator in whatever has it

Hey /meg/,

I just got into the airforce as a SOWT and I am out of shape. My recruiter sent me a .pdf 12 week training program but there are lots of acronyms I dont understand. what the fuck is an LSD?

Anyways, do you guys have any tips for swimming 50m underwater? I havent swam in years. July 20 is my MEPS date. Anything to do to prepare for meps? I have a scar on my chest that I basically lied about to my recruiter, I think I will tell MEPS that i fell on a fence when i was a young child and it left this weird scar

Does the 18 series get paid more than the 11 series

I just want an MOS where I can shoot bad guys, learn a foreign language, and get a good job out of the Army. What's my best option?

>>34473949
>>34474021
>>34474057
>(You)

>>34474268
I'm the third one, and I was being serious.

>>34474300
Well the 18 series AKA Special Forces is pretty much what you described. Learn how to fight, learn language, then use language to teach little brown guys how to fight.

>>34474397
Is there anything where you teach brown people to fight in the Marines

>>34473358
Not this guy, but I would also like to learn how to prepare for the DLAB. I'm already bilingual, so maybe that helps?

>>34474489
They have MARSOC which is theoretically supposed to be the equivalent of Army SF. They don't have an equivalent enlistment option though so you would have to join as something else and then try out after you make corporal.

MARSOC is fairly new though and had a rocky start including sidelining language training so they could get into the fight faster. However this may have changed now that things have settled down a bit. There isn't much public info about MARSOC though so you'd have to try and find a CSO on shadowspear or something to ask.

Army SF on the other hand is already established and not going anywhere. Plus you can attempt selection right away. It's the better choice if you arent already in the marines. If you somehow make it through everything and become a Green Beret you 100% will not care that you aren't a marine.

>be me
>decide to join army
>heart set on 35F
>ASVAB score qualifies me for basically any job
>35F disappears
>35M and 35P currently available

Should I just wait for 35F to come up again? Any other intel jobs stand out as exceptionally good compared to the others? Anybody here have experience with army intel?

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>>34447032
On the highly off chance there is a Canadian Forces Member here. What is the medical like? Do/did they check records?? There is no information about this anywhere.

Going to for Lenard Wood for basic and AIT (am 12b) what should I expect?

>>34476191
*fort Lenard Wood

>>34474845
>hurr I want to be a spy
Just take whatever you can

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I cannot describe in the fucking English language or any other language I know how much I hate my recruiting centre.
I'm dealing with one of the biggest recruitment centres in my country.
I mean, at least half of all recruits need to come through this centre.

I tried phoning them today. I've tried in the past, but got a busy signal. I figured, hell, that happens, better just go see them in person.
Today, I spent TWO FUCKING HOURS on the waiting line for someone to pick up that god damned phone.
I've been there in person at least half a dozen times.
The phone is not ringing that often.

SO WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY NOT ANSWERING

>>34476452
>35F
>sitting at a desk and making powerpoints

Yep, totally wanna be a spy. gg

>>34476621
Yeah, but you're a minority
Do you have any idea how many hundreds of people apply for 35F?
You may be sane, but you're in a very very long line

>>34467232
Good luck dude! Question about the flight physical: do they always do a facial x-ray, or is that only if you have seasonal allergies?

>>34476672
Ask me in six months, if I'm lucky. They don't do a flight physical until after OCS.

>>34476826
Ah. Did you need LASIK?

>>34476910
PRK
>thin corneas
I've been turning away from the computer screen every 20 minutes to stare at something 20 feet away for 20 seconds, then using sunglasses outdoors to preserve my eyes. Also lost 30 pounds and got my 1.5 mile time under 12 minutes finally. it's all coming together, especially when i'm playing my eroges.