/brg/ Battle Rifle General

>>34446998
Ded general

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>shootan newish SA58 with DSA mags
>shit barely feeds unless it's 10 rounds or less
>jam an inch pattern century mag in there
>it feeds just fine, shoots perfectly

>>34447257
>DSA mags
Well there's your problem.

>>34447295

no kidding, I feel like an idiot

gonna try sanding the lips and see if they run any better

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>>34447320
Just buy a bunch of surplus mags. Mine work 100% even when they're so full of sand they sound like a salt shaker. Preferably get hiduminiums if they're the same price

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>>34447320
Like he said, I'd probably just get surplus mags.

>>34447336
So I may be getting a receiver sooner than I thought.

>>34447257
Thats what you get for buying a Fa(i)L

>>34447645
pb pls

>>34447559
Nice, what kind?

Was gonna tell you about the $300 Coonan's but they were sold by the time I opened the ad

7mm-08 PTR when?

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>>34447655
Oh I just mean I'll have money for it, the receiver itself may take a bit longer. I think the Coonans are still up because the first guy flaked out but I'm going full Imbel.

>>34447886
Idk man that's a real good fuckin price. The Imbel would be a type III anyways too. Old ones too, not the new shit ones Coonan is putting out

>>34447906
Yeah, I saw that. I'm still sticking with Imbel. I'm sure the Coonan would work just fine, but I wouldn't be happy with it. If that takes a little longer then that's fine. I won't have time to go borrow Flandre's tools to build it for a while anyway.

>>34447937
I guess I understand that autism. How long you think till you can afford the Imbel? If my 6.5g shit sells I'm 99% sure I'm gonna pick up an LMT for my 17.2

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>>34447967
Within a week or so hopefully. I'm staying on the lookout now but I'll get a bit more serious once I actually have the money.

>>34447995
Nice. You'll do well by just putting out a WTB. When I initially put one out before deciding not to buy a receiver so soon I had like 4 offers in a day or two

>>34447686
.260 Remington FAL first.

>>34448008
Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for.

>>34448017
Does .260 Rem have terminal effectiveness comparable to .308, or is it mostly just better for precise shooting?

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Post your unicorn rifle, and only actual unicorns.

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>>34449375
a factory SCAR 17S that's all one shade of brown

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Is the scar17s worth getting? I would be trying to get it for $2600 or less.
If I do get it, I'm planning on getting a geiselle super scar trigger and a GG&G angled charging handle. I will probably replace the ugg boot stock with a Vltor adapter and magpul UBR stock.

Everyone fawns over it, but I'm a bit wary of the polymer lower.
I could get the Handl aluminum lower for it , but here's what I was wondering. If I get the Handl aluminum lower, that negates the weight advantage of the scar over other battle rifles. What else does the scar have going for it other than the light weight and general build quality?

Are the DSA FALs worth $1000? How reliable and accurate are they?

>>34449426
The SCAR 17S is the best thing going in battle rifles right now, especially if you can steal one for that low a price.
The lower is a non-stressed part; you could make it out of balsa if you wanted.
Replacing the stock is a huge waste of money unless you've shot the rifle a lot and know that the ugg doesn't work for you, personally.
An aluminum PMAG lower regains its weight advantage if you carry at least nine mags, or at least six 25-round mags, and also you don't have any room to complain about weight if you're planning on replacing the stock with a fucking UBR.

>>34449464
If you can get one of the SA58s for $1000, I'd say that would be worth it. The voyagers, no. You can build an FAL for around $1000-$1500 that will be nicer than anything DSA puts out.

>>34449493
Goddamn you are wrong boy.
Just like most kits and milsurp, prices be risin son.

You stupid fucks have talked shit since back when the voyager was $800. Always some bullshit reason or another.

Unless you have the tools $$$ and build it yourself there is no way to get a sub 1k fal anymore. Century monobrows don't count faggot.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5MK_R4mIk_I

Dsa torture test since these are loved so much.

Voyager is fine if you're okay with no carry handle.

>>34449493
P.s. 1,000~1,500 is a pretty big fucking variance dumbass.

>>34449613
>>34449623
Nigger, where did I say sub $1000? The 1-1.5k depends on what kind of kit you want to use.

You can get an Imbel:
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/664000999

Or you can get various other flavors of kits for more (there are plenty more options than just these, this is just what came up with a cursory look):
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=416609
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/664075380
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/663448971

Tack on about $300-600 depending on what receiver you get. Some older Coonans popped up on the falfiles for $300 each today and you can find Imbel receivers for about $500-600. Now lets be generous and add around $200 for the various tools you'd need and say you couldn't find any used ones on the files. That gives our build total a range of about $1000-$1550 depending on the kit/receiver.

Builds certainly cost more than they used to, but they are still a better value than DSA. I'm not trying to say DSA FALs are bad, just that they're overpriced and you can do better for the same or even less and if you're willing to put in some effort. Hell, prebuilds by other people show up on gunbroker/falfiles all the time around that same price range.

>>34449768
Whoops misread the price on the SLR kit which bumps up my max estimation by about $100. Still I think my overall point stands pretty well.

>>34449623
Not really.
Anything within the same order of magnitude is basically the same amount of money, unless you're a huge poorfag or something.

>>34447336
Jeebus what handguard is that? Looks sexy as fuck.

>>34452967
VLTOR CASV

>>34452967
vltor casv-fal

>>34449425
Donchakno 50shades of FDE is supposed to break up the outline of the gun, according to FN.

>>34452929
Yes, within the same order. Hey, you know what else is in the same order as 1,000? 9,999. They are basically the same amount of money!

>>34453002
Basically, yeah.

>>34446998
So did Trump do anything pro 2nd Amendment yet?

>>34453013
nope, because hes focusing on dumb shit like space corps, and fucking golfing every weekend instead of actually doing anything for his constituents

>>34453013
gorsuch

>want a semi 308
>love fal aesthetics
>got to shoot a g3 clone last week
>kinda want one of those now
>check internet
>starting at 1300€
>tfw

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Mein battle raifu. A springfield NM that would cause you to hate me if I told you how much I paid for it.

>>34449613
The voyager can be ordered with or without the cut for the handle. My voyager has a handle on it.>>34449493
Though AIM surplus only sells them without the cut. Doesn't matter, I got mine from Atlantic Firearms. Sadly I live in california is no metal mags or even mags that aren't thermold trash for me... least not until I move to a new state and get to buy mags that don't suck.
On mags, surplus? DSA? Or Moses Mag? Thermold is FAAAAAAAR out, given that the shit needed work with a dremel tool to even fucking seat.

>>34453327
I normally really like M1a aesthetics bit that stainless barrel is pretty gross.

>>34453327
I had a Springfield m1a. Unless you paid $500 or less I'm not jealous. I did not enjoy mine.

>>34453431
Oh, well... It was still more than that. :(

>>34453067
He's draining the swamp.

>>34449369
.260 rem is almost a ballistic clone of 6.5 creedmore.

>>34453273
Where do you live?

>>34454185
W-GER
though tbqh I only searched egun so far because muh Erwerbsstreckungsgebot

>>34453327
springfield armory is almost as bad as taurus in terms of construction quality and QC

>>34453457
lel, by hiring the big banking assholes who have been lobbying for more business welfare? he is a corporatist and has no business leading a country. we need RAND

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If I bought this CAI off a rando for $650 how many ragrettis would I have?

"Selling my CAI L1A1 Sporter. It is chambered for .308/7.62NATO. It comes with 2 mags. Has a bipod as well. It's made with surplus parts by CAI. It has an Enfield barrel. The receiver is a Argentine type III. Only takes metric mags. Condition is about 7/10. "

I can always put different furniture on it.

>>34446998
So what is the difference between a battle rifle and an AR15? Is it just the round it is chambered in?

What are the benefits of owning a battle rifle over a more common AR15?

>>34456247
No, he's going to give power back to the people that put him in office! That's why he's tossing himself into the fray by helping the people or rural America!

>>34456429
Yeah it's the caliber. Battle rifles typically shoot .308/7.62 NATO or something similarly sized.

It has a lot to do with muh history. From a practicality standpoint you'd probably be better off with an AR15 but the much bigger round makes a much bigger boom and it's better for long range and shit.

>>34456429
AR-15s are for fags.
Battle rifles are for men.

>>34456454
>.308/7.62 NATO
Is that the same thing as .223/5.56? They are identical in size just with different pressure output so most battle rifles can fire both?

>>34456485
Is this b8

>>34456408
Since it doesn't seem to be one of the century made receivers, it could be ok. It could also be completely nonfunctional but at least the guy seems somewhat upfront about it. Either way, $650 would be a decent price for it as a parts kit.

>>34456500
>>34456485
Nevermind I misread.
Yeah it's the same idea, though IIRC the more powerful one is .308

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>>34456500
Not bait friendo. Just a neophyte in terms of rifles.

>>34456485
.223/5.56 are the same caliber

.308/7.62x51 NATO are the same caliber

They are just referred to as .223 and .308 for 'Merica purposes and so they can be pandered as civilian/hunting rounds. 5.56 and 7.62 NATO are typically more powerful since they are usually surplus rounds.

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>>34456553
I see. What are the benefits of buying a full blown battle rifle vs. getting the smaller cheaper AR-15 rifle?

>>34456579
You like the look/history of the battle rifle you're interested in

You like the larger caliber round.

You are 1950s United States and you think anything smaller than .30-06 might as well be .22lr.

>>34456579
Battle rifle can be nice for taking larger game if you're into hunting. They've also got a larger bullet with more weight to it, so it handles foliage much better and resists tumbling, whereas 5.56 is bad about tumbling if it grazes foliage.

If you're into longer distance shooting, you can squeeze some good range out of a battle rifle, though the same can be said of quality AR platforms too.

>>34456553
.308 is more powerful than 7.62RFN.

>>34456602
>>34456624
What x zoom do battle rifles typically reach out to that 5.56 cannot reliably perform?

>>34456636
Probably farther than you can see for target shooting. For taking a man down at a distance though a battle rifle would be better.

>>34453013
Nope. Trump is a joke. We voted for a meme president, we got a meme president.

Just bought this for 500 bucks off the most beta dude I ever met. Originally drove out to buy a dirt bike of him, dude lives like 3 hours from me and I spotted his add for the bike on CL. Once I'm there he gets to saying how his wife (just married) has demanded he sell off all his "dangerous toys" and he's real bent about it. I ask what else he's got and he says he has a few guns he already sold and his grandfathers rifle but he's gonna hide the rifle in the attic since it's an heirloom and shows me this M1. Well his wife overheard that last bit and tossed shit like I've never seen a grown women toss. Dude asks me if I wanted to buy it for 1500, I said all I had was 500 on me after buying the bike and his wife yells over his shoulder "It"s yours!".

I feel kinda bad to be honest

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>>34457697
Forgot the fucking picture

>>34457697
>>34457709
Aw man

>>34457697
>>34457709
That's a shit relationship. At least you saved it from being stuck in the attic for all eternity.

>>34457697
>>34457709
>his wife (just married) has demanded he sell off all his "dangerous toys"
themanwhowascuckedtodeath.jpg
You did that rifle a favor, though. Good job.

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Plz r8 /brg/.

Dot sight is just a place holder until I decide what scope to buy. Should I get something with more magnification or just a 1-8x Strike Eagle?

I won't shoot past 300 often, but I do have occasional access to an 800 meter range...

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What do you all think of the MAS 49/56?

>>34458048
I think you're pretty cute anon

Just got a black hk 91 fat handguard for 50$, how did i do?

>>34458253
*wide

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>>34458009
Dot sights on battle rifles are legit.
How occasional are we talking?
Long-range shooting is a perishable skill that might not be worth bothering with if it's not practical for you to maintain it.
You could probably get away with a really nice 1-4x instead of a mediocre 1-6x or 1-8x.

>>34458408
I live on a farm and shooting the 800 meter range means asking my neighbor permission because the hill that is the backstop is technically his, and he doesn't grant permission unless his wife and kids are away from the house. So basically occasional Sunday mornings, maybe 10/year?

>>34458408
I think the people who talk trash on an AR with a RDS are airsoft larpers or cod kids who want to be Mr. Based Sniper. Muh one shot one kill.

I can hit at 200 yards with a RDS, and at 300 I can keep about half the rounds on a 12 inch circle gong. Plenty accurate.

Hey boys there's an Australian L1A1 for a pretty good price. I feel like I should cop it. Are there problems or things I should check before buying?

>>34458440
I'm more interested in magnification for hunting. It's a lot easier to spot a deer in a thicket with magnification and the ability to manipulate the parallax.

I'm not cross shopping a 1-8x vs a 1-4x, I'm cross shopping a 1-8x vs a 3-15x or 4-16x.

I've shot deer at 200+ meters with open sights, but my eyes aren't getting younger and I never remember the binoculars.

I really like the gun as a suppressor host, way less gas in my face than with my buddy's SCAR H, and it's legal to hunt while using a supressor here.

The rifle has great accuracy potential, it was shooting just over an inch with XM80 Federal and the dot sight. A good trigger, good ammo, and more time to practice and I suspect it'll approach the half MOA claimed in the Guns.com review.

>>34458841
I'd lean toward a 3-15x if you're using the scope in lieu of binos for hunting.

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>>34458674
to my knowledge there aren't really any problems to look for other than your standard looking for rust or rifling issues, not sure if sand cuts in the bolt carrier are something to want or not, but as long as its a solid rifle, you should be golden

cant decide between PTR and AR10
y live

>>34458841
Ahh, I see. I also value a nice magnified optic for hunting. They are clearly superior to RDS for accuracy and distance shooting.

>>34459155
Get a small frame AR-10, they are the future.

>>34459094
Thanks for the info bud

Are there any 3rd world shitholes that have 7.62x51mm NATO but not 7.62x39mm Soviet? I notice a few countries in South America and Africa still run G3s and FALs, is it an ammo thing or just doctrinal?

>>34459313
>dirt-poor 3rd world countries
>doctrine

Is there any better race war rifle than an FAL?
Tacticoolness need not apply.

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>>34458048
One of the cooler looking guns in existence IMO.
Glad I lucked out and got one of the actual working 308 conversions for it, and for under 500 bucks.

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>/brg/
>no traps
What kind of amateur shit is this?

>>34461870
>silver soldered dsa pos
Is this yours?

Is there any reason to buy a standard DSA FAL over a voyager?

>>34461903
Nope, just saved it from a few threads ago

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>>34460978
No

>>34461922
>C A S T

>>34461937
Rip

If that person is in this thread they need to get a real stoll on there

>>34449426
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/664930191

I'd fucking do it, anon.

>>34462005
>>34449426
Wait, fuck, didn't read your plans;

I personally would not fuck with the furniture on a SCAR, I tried one out at the range and damn, f-a-m it blew me away.

Really comfortable and a complete blast to shoot, while remaining completely aesthetic with the classic FDE look.

imo fugging with a SCAR is practically heresy and you shouldn't do it, trigger work excluded.

>>34462078
Fuck that. Slap a Magpul Masada stock and extended forend on there and orgasm every time you pick it up.
I need more money.

>>34461968
How bad is a cast receiver?

>>34462539
Most people who use this word as an indicator of lower quality have zero knowledge of manufacturing, or worse, they know just enough to think they know the truth. You should Google ''cast Vs. forged'' and you'll find plenty of information from actual experts, many in the firearms community, who can shed light on the whole topic.

>>34462539
Really bad if you ever planning on using the rifle for practical things like getting run over by APC's and then mag dumping 60 mags through it. You may run into some problems.

>>34462539
There's been spec problems with them that you can find on FALfiles and shit, I don't believe anyone has tested to see how much shorter the parts life on it is yet though. But handling a voyager at a show right before buying an LMT FAL was all I needed to know about. Just felt like absolute shit

>>34462592
What's a better FAL? If not the voyager I was looking at this https://www.dsarms.com/p-14236-dsa-sa58-18-para-congo-edition-rifle.aspx

>>34462776
Buy a kitbuild Stg58 or Imbel, you should be able to pick one up for 1k-1300 and it will be infinitely better than any of the new shit DSA has put out. Get an account of FALFiles too

>>34462111
That looks p disgusting my dude.

>>34456429
>What are the benefits of owning a battle rifle over a more common AR15?

Esthetics and history, which are priceless because when you touch an object used by real men in real wars their power transfers to you by osmosis. That's why men collect firearms like women collect shoes.

>>34457697
Cucks don't deserve anything good. He asked for it by being a little bitch instead of telling the cumdumpster to hit the road.

>>34456485
don't shoot .308 in a 7.62 barrel, .308 is not simply 'hotter 7.62', it actually has a different shoulder and it's hotter and it can fuck up your gun

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>>34456429
>What are the benefits of owning a battle rifle over a more common AR15?

>>34457697
>>34457709
he obviously didn't care too much about it if he was willing to sell it because of his wife

>>34463294
*æsthetics

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>>34462078
>>34462005
I'm doing it anon
And I'm leaving the stock be, but I will change the charging handle and trigger.

>>34453067
>space corps
>dump

t. fudd

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>>34446998
Can I play?

I've been wanting a Ruger gunsite scout for a while now. I would mount the scope to the rear (you're able to) completely disregarding the scout rifle concept though, I just like all the other features. Actually I just like that it's a Mauser action. Are there any better options?

>>34459094
Where do I buy that wood furniture? Okay, the pistol grip looks like it leaves something to be desired but the handguard gives me wood.

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>>34466377
1. Bolt actions, by definition, aren't battle rifles.
2. If you're going to ignore the scout concept, consider the Tikka T3x Arctic, the pleb version of the Colt Canada C19.

>>34466693
That is not und Mauser action

>>34463258
>looks
Get a FAiL.

>>34468041
>FAiL
I thought the FAL was one of the more reliable rifles?

Is the PTR 51P PDW any good?

>>34468094
Reliable yes, accurate? no

>>34466377
This is a battle rifle thread my dude.

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Friday is beautiful

>>34468094
It is when you have the gas dialed in just right.

>>34468094
>>34471920

and when you get mags that aren't garbage

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>>34468163
It's mechanically functional, if that's what you're asking.
It's obviously geared toward close-quarters use, but I wouldn't want to shoot it indoors without a can and double earpro, but good luck finding a suppressor rated for an 8" .308.
It would be great if it had a slightly longer barrel, say 12" or so, but still used MP5 furniture; then it would be a handy little carbine that you could stick a Surefire forend and a collapsible stock on and use in/around vehicles and structures without too much trouble.

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>>34461946
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Petition to stage a coup in Zimbabwe the second Mugabe dies

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Is this the right bipod for a hk91 wide cut handguard?

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>>34472684
Yeah. That's the same one I have.

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>>34472827
Sweet. Thanks ordering it on monday.
>i know its not a battle rifle.

>>34472827
How does the bipod stay on the handguard?

>>34473080
Slides onto the part on the very end. There's little depressable metal tab that holds it in place.

>>34473109
And when i collaspes on the hanguard? How then?
>t. Newfag to hk pattern rifles.

>>34473218
The same way except the legs are also able to fold up and fit in the indents on the side of the handguard.

>>34472854
How does the x39 PTR compare to a -91 and an AK?

>>34474767
>x39
not dae but it's heavy because they used a slightly slimmer .308 profile barrel ~10lbs

took them two tries to get the magwell right but he seems to like it

i would buy a properly proportioned 16" version which would probably save a pound and change, but they have not made one yet