Milsurp General: Raifus and shitposting are all we Have

>>34441984
Tula 91/30s always sell for more than Izhevsk, what is the reason for this? Is there any actual difference between them? Are there fewer of them?

>>34442051
Also, does getting a Hex receiver Mosin guarantee that it was made before WWII?

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>>34442051
Tula is more sought after by "collectors" but I'm not sure why. They're aren't any appreciable differences between the two arsenals during the war IIRC

I bought an all matching Long Branch No4 Mk1* from a guy at a flea market for $125. The rifle is even in great shape, two groove barrel and the 300/600 only sights.

Haven't had the chance to take it out and shoot/get pictures of her but I just had to get my excitement out there.

>>34442109

It's because they have the big commie star on them. During the war years they focused production on SVT-40s more than Izhevsk did so wartime dated rifles are less common. Pre war rifles including hex receivers are far more common by production figures from Tula compared to Izhevsk.

>>34442068
It only guarantees the receiver was made before 1936 at Izhevsk and 1937 at Tula. The tang of the receiver will often have the date of production. The barrel will sometimes have a different year though usually the next year from the tang date as parts got used in January.

There are rare cases where European arsenals other than Finnish ones reused older hex receivers on newer barrels, these are very uncommon.

To the guy in the previous thread asking if the campfire could fuck over his bayonet:

https://youtu.be/awcSqRRq-g0

Now granted he was using MORE fire, but the point still stands.

>>34442500

Jesus, that's amazing luck.

>>34442051

Tula is the more prestigious manufacturer

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Thread is in dire need of surp

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>>34443724

'surp?

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>>34443804
Yeah, surp

>>34443719
>soviet arsenal
>more prestigous than anything
Soviet arsenals were literally the worst quality wise

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>>34442051
Tula didn't pump out as many. They were supposed to be entirely on SVT production AND they were kinda surrounded for a bit of the war. So they're a bit rarer. 41 dated especially.
>>34442068
Short answer is yes.
>>34442500
>the 300/600 only sights.
Disgusting.
Na, I'm kidding. You got a good deal.
>>34443724
I need a SMLE.

>>34441984
Are they the ones they rechambered for .308?

Just traded a PU for an M39+cash. Pics soon.

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>>34443822

'surp then.

>>34443856
It doesn't say. Just says has crest

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/661111106
I passed up on this after someone posted the winning bid (I was just under, $585) because I knew I should be smarter with my money and not spend every single paycheck on guns. However, I still do still feel an ounce of regret.

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>>34443889
>$590
Jeez I payed $375 for mine in February

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>>34443724
Reinforcements on the way.

>>34443958
ive never seen the price of a gun skyrocket like the k31 has

>>34442500
Little word of warning though, the two groove barrels apparently don't like modern boat tail ammo. I bought a long branch back in November, and every round I sent down range was keyholing. However the crown on mine was pretty worn out until i replaced the barrel, so that could have been part of the problem.

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>>34443958
I paid 500 for mine last June.

>>34443889
>>34443958
>>34443984
>>34444004

I payed $600 with some ammo, chargers and reloading dies.

>>34444007
>>34444004
>>34443958
I'd take a mint condition safe queen K31 for under 600 by day

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>>34443984
They became popular just about overnight. YouTubers and reviewers all got a hold of one at about the same time, then the next thing you know BAM $600-$700

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>>34444166
Eh, I'm not too fond of mine. It's a decent enough rifle but it's kind of heavy and the ergos aren't that great. They are pretty to look at though.

>>34444234

It doesn't help that they are relatively recently out of primary channels.

>>34444261
I just regret selling mine too soon and not getting in on the price jump.

>>34444261
I would take it off of your hands for American fun time notes if you don't want it.

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I was told to leave the stock out in the sun to prevent the rifle from sweating in the future.
Am I doing it right?

>>34444516
>not just putting it in the oven

>>34444588
it's not a tavor

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>>34444419
Na I'm keeping it. I might never shoot it again but maybe I will. Took me years to appreciate my SKS.

>>34444588
I don't trust myself enough for it.
The sun's all natural, baby.
>>34444607
Cool it with the antisemitc remarks.
I would post a picture of Bateman, but I'd rather save space for milsurp.

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>>34444619
>Cool it with the antisemitc remarks.

>>34444634
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoRaYgqKMkg
Anyways, how long and at what temperature do I bake it?

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>>34441984
If you want cheap Chilean rifles:
https://ganymede.meccahosting.com/~a0000ae7/aaresult.php?PageId=40

>>34443724
Replacement cleaning rod is en-route.

>>34444516
>Am I doing it right?
You're supposed to wrap it in paper towels and put it in a black plastic trash bag. Or just use a heat gun/hair dryer. You only need 125°F.

>>34444730
I don't have black plastic, will clear plastic work?

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>>34444746
>will clear plastic work?
Probably not as well, but better than nothing.

>>34444784
Also forgot to ask, are there any other methods other than heat guns, sunlight and baking that could help?
Or are these the only ones I should try?

>>34444746

Sticking it in your car in the sun can also work, though it'll probably make your car smell like old gun.

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>>34444804
>Or are these the only ones I should try?
They are the least aggressive methods and least likely to damage the stock's original finish.

>>34444811
>though it'll probably make your car smell like old gun.
BRB, contacting Little Trees.

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>>34444842
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Originally I was going to do this, but I figured it would fuck something up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfcUwMWxJ2U
Also, I'm not sure about my bag choice, it doesn't seem to let in enough sun, or is that not important?

>>34441984
the prices they want seem too high to me

>>34444898
Yeah, no matter what Potterfield says, what he did was refinishing and it negatively effected the value.

Also, a Mosin stock doesn't have an oil finish like that Rolling Block did.

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>>34444811
>it'll probably make your car smell like old gun.
Sounds like a win-win to me.

>>34444811
That would be nice. my car smells like coolant right now.

Where to get svt-40

>>34445285
russia 75 years ago

>>34445285

Clark County fairgrounds on Saturday. Assuming the same guy is there and they haven't sold it since the last gunshow.

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>>34445285
Gunbroker.

>>34445094
>muh value
Fuck off with this shit. Some guns need to be refinished badly. Yet there are autists who insist on letting a gun rust into the ground because >muh historic patina from sitting in an arsenal for decades. I don't mean that you have to refinish a gun the moment some of the finish wears away but, if you're gun's finish is irredeemable shit your not saving history you're letting it decay

>>34444608
aww

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Just watching the last episode of SukaSuka; thought you ouiaboos would get a kick out of this:

>>34445094
>>34445388
So do I, or not?
I don't think I'll resell my mosin, plus it would bring in any cash since some parts aren't matching.
But I don't want to do anything to the rifle I will regret.

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>>34441984
Hey do you guys discuss vintage optics too? Right now I'm bidding on a vintage colt 3x20 carry handle scope for my AR, if the price rises to the level of a modern red dot, should I just opt for the latter for practicality's sake?

>>34445655
>should I just opt for the latter for practicality's sake?
They fulfill two different purposes. And anyway, you should get the one you want most.

Speaking of optics. Anyone know the going rate for an M84 scope and mount?

Also anyone know if reproductions are being made these days?

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Crappy 'surp pic

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Picked up a Winchester 1907 today for $175. I know it's not really milsurp but I thought you guys might appreciate it. It's missing a magazine, who knows where I can find an original 10 round mag?

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>>34445770
For an original I suggest eBay or Gunbroker. Triple-K makes repros; have heard mixed reviews.
https://www.triplek.com/product/winchester-07-351sl-10-rd/

$175 seems like a helluva deal even with no mag. Caliber?

>>34445817
1907s are all .351 WSL

>>34445817
they were all in .351 Iirc

>>34445837
>>34445844
Derp; that's right.

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1941 Ishapore all matching

bit odd all of the smles here. I see way more mk4s irl

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>>34445925
1943 CMP garand
1918 BSA All Matching

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>>34445941
SMLE is pure AESTHETICS

>>34445941

SMLEs are far sexier. If I got a No. 4 I wouldn't bother posting it.

>>34446062
I love me some SMLE's and am looking to get an Aussie made one soon. But damn I love the looks of a no4 mk1 too

>>34443889
If K31s are going for that much I wonder how much my 96/11 would go for...

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>>34446101

I picked up a Lithgow, 1941 manufacture, a few months back for $375.

Shitty pic related.

>>34446124
Liberty tree has one for $550 and they are usually fairly priced imo maybe a hair high

>>34446137
>yellow paint


have you shot it yet?

>>34446159

I have not. I asked the FFL to do a safety check because of the paint, it works fine, but the bore isn't in great shape. Shootable, but not pretty.

Honestly I like it that way, makes it fee like the gun has stories to tell.

>>34445388
Shut up, Zed.
>>34445576
Yes, you will fuck it up. Original is always better. You will see in a few years how much more Mosins with their original stock finish will command over the typical bubba minwax cherry stain on a horribly sanded stock.

And matching isn't exactly everything when it comes to refurbs.

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HAPPY AMERICA BIRTHDAY SURPERS

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So I went to strip and clean my Ishapore's bolt today for the first time and I found that the retaining screw on the cocking piece is frozen shut with rust. Is there anyway of getting out short of cutting the firing pin body back by the cocking piece?

>>34446137
>$375
That's an impressive price homie
>>34446159
I haven't heard about yellow paint before. Does that mean is sub par?

>>34446191
50/50 mix of Acetone and ATF and soak it

>>34446223
>sub par

yeah pretty much

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>>34446175
This is what your gun will look like if you don't take care of it. I'm not saying you need to refinish every single gun. Arsenals re-blued, re-stocked, re-barreled, and replaced every part other than the receiver. If you think it's bubba to refinish a gun that actually needs it you need to reconsider the meaning of bubba

>>34446246
Would PB Blaster work?

>>34446285
this

I refinished a south american vz24 that went through hell and likely wouldnt have been operable in the near future. The autists here took it like a personal insult

>>34446328
Yeah any penetrating oil will. WD40 isn't very good though

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>>34446285
We're talking about a retard on youtube video refinishing a stock and you're talking about neglecting guns. Two completely different things.

If a gun needs refinishing, then it's not worth much in it's present state. Most refinishing diminishes the value. This is fact.

Again, shut up Zed.

>>34446343
Good job, you devalued a collectable. You can fuck off now.

>>34446365
yeah I guess I should have rust let it rust away

autism

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>>34446285
This is Sweaty Ben's "GC" code as of late.

>>34446381
>you can't remove rust without refinishing

>>34446343
Seriously fuck the autistic collectors here. They're more than happy to jack each other off about throwing money away but god forbid you ask about actually useful things like how to repair guns and where to get spare parts.

>>34446391
Guess what retard rust forms when the finish was worn away. When you remove the rust with out refinishing the rust will just come back

>>34446419

Renaissance

You're welcome

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>>34446381
Funny, I haven't refinished any of my tools and they aren't rusting... must be magic or something.

>>34446436

*Renaissance Wax

>>34446439
Because they have a good finish. You've literally proved my point

>>34446460
Bare fucking steel is a finish now? I'll be damned.

>>34446439
how many of your guns sat in a fucking jungle for 70+ years?

>>34446362
Thanks

I decided to put the rifle in the car, and it seems to be working.
Do I also need to switch out the paper towels?

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>>34446501
Well shit, maybe that's the fucking secret isn't it? If you don't leave shit outside for fucking ever you won't need to worry about it rotting away. I know it sounds fucking crazy, that if you take care of your fucking tools they'll last a long time, but it's true.

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>>34446419
Funny, I have guns that have parts with ZERO finish and ZERO rust. Guns usually didn't come from the factory blued until the mid 19th century. And even after that and even today most guns have parts that aren't finished at all.

>>34446546
>implying I owned the gun while it was sitting in some shit storage facility in god knows where south america

Taught me not to buy fucked up shitty rusted guns but I have no regrets

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>>34441984
I love mine, even though I have a new ejector box incoming because the one on my 1895 is busted. Pretty cool piece of obscure history to own.
>>34443724
Here you go.
>>34445131
A great Idea. I'll have to do that to my next milsurp I get.

>>34446546
I guarantee your tools are made of steel with chromium in them.

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>>34446570
Uh huh, and guess what? After you remove active rust, the metal is fine. You don't need to refinish it. And you don't (always) need heavy abrasives to remove rust. A tooth brush and some tool oil go a long way.

shant be feeding the tripfag anymore (You)'s

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New m39. On a 1915 sestroyesk receiver.

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>>34446633
Can see the stock better like this

>>34446614
>steel won't rust when exposed to the elements again

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>>34446546
I want an M91 so bad it hurts
>>34446614
sadly some people don't have the dedication for treating their guns (especially milsurp) properly, so they don't want to go through the trouble of spending time to clean every single part completely to get all the rust out. Not that I'm accusing anybody here acting like this, but there are those kind of people out there unfortunately.

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>>34446588
First of all, no. Most of them aren't. Second, the percentage of chromium in ones that do is insignificant towards their corrosion resistance. Third, chromoly and even stainless steels and can do rust.

>>34446666
excellent digits

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>>34446667
A light coat of oil or grease once in a while. Again, that's basic maintanence. It's not some sort of magic or deeply coveted secret. Clean your shit regularly and don't stick in a swamp.

>>34442109
Tula 91/30's have a better fit and finish than Izhevsk rifles

>>34444619
kys niggerino

>>34446719

How many non refurbished 91/30s have you evaluated to come to that conclusion?

They did not get sent back specifically to the original factory to get refurbished...

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>>34446706
Should have posted my other m39

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>>34446770
>posting the wrong gun
I am such a dummy

Are SKS rifles considered Milsurp or are they commercial rifles?

>>34446719
Sweaty Ben please go

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>>34446186
Don't have any American guns, and have to work tonight so I don't even get to really enjoy the fireworks. In the meantime though, I'm listening to only American music today. Got a Springsteen record on right now. What are the rest of you listening to today?

>>34446788
It depends who made them and if they were made for the military. The only civilian intended SKS production was done by China for the USA.

>>34446788
It depends if they're milsurp or commercial rifles.

>>34446763
About 30.

When the LGS had a few crates i'd pick through them for anything out of the ordinary. The Tula rifles almost always had better surface finish and triggers.

>>34446472
Ever hear of alloys, some steel has zinc mixed in with it for anti-corrosion

>>34446830
That doesn't make it corrosion proof nigga. It's gunna oxidize eventually.

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>>34446830
No. As a metallurgist I have fucking NEVER heard of, let alone seen alloyed steel in my life.

>>34446863
alloy my steel onii-chan

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So, my grandfather passed away in 2011, and left a decent gun collection, my grandmother has decided to let me and my aunt choose what we want and sell the rest. One of the things I'm interested in is a modified SHTLE dated 1917. It has been sporterised with an aftermarket stock and the metal fixtures have been removed. He likely held on to the original parts although they may be in poor condition. If that is the case where would I buy spare parts and\or a new stock. More pics to follow.

>>34446842
Depends on the amount of zinc. Zinc is one of the few metals that will not ever oxidize, just like gold, chromium, magnesium, etc.

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>>34446887

>>34446384
pretty

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>>34446889
>Chromium
>Won't oxidize
.... You fucking serious?

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>>34446910

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>>34446920
Thankee

>>34446863
Then you are either the world's worst metallurgist or you're just talking out of your ass.

>>34446889
>Zinc is one of the few metals that will not ever oxidize
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc_oxide

>>34446923
Pure chromium won't, crome will

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>>34446925

>>34446863
You must have flunked metallurgy 101 then

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>>34446954

>>34446887
Ebay

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>>34446939
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or you can't see that I was.
>>34446952
You do know that CrO is what gives chromium and stainless steel their corrosion resistance right?

>>34446887
>>34446910
>>34446925
>>34446954
It's not really worth it to "restore." You'll spend more money than what it's worth in just parts. Most stock sets you will find will be shitty Indian DP wood or shitty Australian Coachwood without the recoil plates. Look for the original wood and parts if you want to truly restore it.

It is interesting that the rifle was converted from a MkIII* to a MkIII after the war.

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>>34446974
last pic of the enfield I also have some pics of a mauser stock I'm going to dump in a sec
>>34446996
I'm not really interested in the monetary value so much as the sentimental value.

>>34446942

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc

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>>34447038
I would like to know what rifle this stock is to, all I'm sure of is that it is mauser stock and that it is not a gewehr 98. I should note that it's possible that the rifle this went to may not even be there, as he did a lot of gunsmithing for his buddies.

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>>34447094

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>>34447191
forgot to mention that the metal isn't rusted, it just has a darkened patina.

>>34447238
>metal isn't rust
>it's just patina
Patina is rust

>>34447038
It's missing the charger bridge. You aren't going to find that piece. Unless you find the original parts you're pretty much SOL.
>>34447094
It looks like a Gew98 stock. It may be another sort of Mauser like Brazilian.

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>>34447238
>>34447244
I meant that the metal is smooth despite the dark coloration.

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>>34447266
I didn't notice the cobwebs in this pic until after I was home

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>>34447266
Last one

>>34447301
Spiders in MY rifle? More likely than you may think

>>34443984
Glad I got it at 300

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>>34447350
I'm glad I got mine at $200 back in 2011, even though I personally don't follow the hype train and find the K31 to be lackluster.

whats the next k31 I can buy and triple my money on in a few years?

>>34447434
Mak/P-64 maybe

>>34447434

Swedish Mausers. The days of the $300 M96 are on their last legs.

>>34447500
well you cant get them for that now. But this makes a lot of sense.

>>34447500
Where are you seeing them for 300?

>>34447545
Gun shows in rural Manitoba. The prices are slowly shifting towards $375-$550 now. If they get coverage like the K-31 did they'll also jump.

If you're smart you'll buy the right kinds, Oberndorf contract or 1940's Husqvarna.

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Can't wait for durr season. Getting crazy good groups now. Clamp mount btw, no bubba.

>>34447602
jelly in this gommie state im limited to slugs

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>>34447602
>Taking a 12lbs rifle hunting
Whatever tickles your pickle I guess.

>>34447630
I'm 6'4, 200. I took a vepr-12 with a 25 drum of 3inch buck with me through a swamp going after piggies last winter. No biggie.

>>34447424
i like the quality build of the rifle, also that straight pull is novel

>>34447602
What scope mount is that ?>>34447602

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>>34447767
http://www.brownells.com/optics-mounting/scope-bases/rifle-bases/aluminum-k31-clamp-on-mount-sku100000725-1666-6109.aspx

Only downside is that it requires a 3/8 dovetail scope ring set. So you have to shop around for some heavy duty rimfire-size rings.

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>>34447424
Glad I'm not the only one.
>>34447666
Yeah Satan I'm a big guy too. But if I have to carry a gun all day I like it to be at least somewhat light.

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>>34447835
Yeah good point. I suppose I'll look into a sling for it. Do you have any recommendations for what will fit it well and be leather/soft material?

>>34447897
Well I'm not a hunter so take my recommendation with a grain of salt.

http://www.levysleathers.com/hunting/product/sn76b-dbr-veg-tan-hunting-sling/

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im such a bongaboo

ree

>>34447963
fuck outta here England
you even know what day it is

>>34448091
nah, im from chicago just got bad priorities

>>34447424
>>34447630
>>34447835

>The rifle instantly gets popular and now it is shit.

Neck yourself trip hipster.

>>34446223

For the Aussies yellow paint means it's a second rate rifle, in my case the rifling is well-used.

For the Brits yellow paint means "drill purposes only" which means it's not fit to fire live ammo.

>>34446544

Probably for the best.

>>34446788

Most SKSes were made for military use, only the Chinese made non-military guns, and even then some of theirs were military too.

>>34446814

Sabaton, always Sabaton.

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>>34449068
>now it is shit
Yeah that's what I said man.

>>34449170
I'm not gay in the slightest but I would suck a dick for a lever nugget.

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>>34449208
I said the same thing about a SVT years ago.

And about a RSC now.

>>34449285
I wouldnt suck a dick for an SVT.

I'd suck multiple dicks for an SVD though.

>>34449365
>>34449285
>>34449208
I would suck a dick just to have American tier gun rights. Fuck Canadastan.

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>>34447094
>>34447132
>>34447191
>>34447238
That is a late-war Gew.98 stock; the "EWB" brand stands for "Einwohnerwehr Bayern"; the famous Bavarian Freikorps unit. Looks like it's been sanded a bit.

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Anyone expecting to pick something up this weekend? I'm expecting to get a PING.

>>34449811
I'm so tapped out it's sad. No more guns for a while unless a really good trade happens.

>>34449835

Sell a kidney.

I know the feel though, I have a ton of important things (like fixing the AC in the car I use to deliver pizza) that I'm pushing back because guns.

I could pay for the AC now, but I'm going to get at least 2 guns instead.

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>>34449378
And i'd suck dick to get Canuckian gun laws

Sincerely, Ausfag

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>>34449393
>>34447238

My non-bubba'd Kar88 has the same markings, I always assumed it was someone's initials.

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>>34451361

>>34444004
>http://www.gunbroker.com/item/661111106
>>34443958
i paid $79 for mine back in 2005, well with tax and everything probably came to 80 something

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>>34451501
Yeah I remember when Dunhams would have them on sale for that. It was gonna be my first gun, but I just kept putting it off over years.

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Guy is asking $450 for an Enfield 1917 .30-06. Always loved the look of these guns. Y/N?

>>34452037
Y

>>34451694
>>34452037

What are these things and why does no one talk about them?

Has anyone ever removed the front sight hood for adjustments on a Mauser? Specifically mine is a Yugo. If so how did you get it back on? It ihas a very tight fit and I don't want to do anything to render the front sight hood inoperable.

>>34452340
Needle nose pliers and retard strength on my kar98

>>34452340
RIFLE IS FINE

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>>34452099
You mean my Type 30 carbine? Most people interested in Arisakas don't know/care about Type 30s.

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>>34452601
Type-30 long rifle is the only other Arisaka that REALLY appeals to me.

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>>34452769
I just want a 99 to go with my 38

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>>34452769
They're fairly neat and interesting. Closely related to my beloved Mannlicher action.

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>>34453035
99 is so uggo tho.

>>34453037
That Russo-Japanese history too.

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>>34453069
>99 is ugly

Bad taste you've got there

I bought an M39 from sweaty Ben. Did I fuck up?

>>34452769
>>34453037
Hnnng

I never see these, though I don't actively look for them. What is the going rate these days? I know Liberty Tree Collectors has one for $625 but the stock is fucked and repaired with staples, the mum is ground, and it isn't matching.

>>34453238
Last time I bought from sweaty Ben it took him two months to ship my k98 stock.

>>34453035
Simpson ltd has a nice matching last ditch 99 for $350. No mum though

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>>34453261
I've never heard of, let alone seen, a matching Type 30.

But they run between 400 and 700 most of the time. There are a couple on Gunbroker right now I think.

>>34453299
I'll have to keep an eye on them, though I've inquired on so many guns locally that I'm starting to forget. I lost the milsurp bug for a while but it is back with a vengeance.

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Do you wanna sell that stock? I'm looking for one for a Gew 98 that currently sits in a Vz.22 stock.
pic unrelated

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>>34453238
I'm pretty sure it's hit or miss with Classic on some of their guns. I got one of the 1895 Chileans (pic related) from him about 2 months ago and I love it, but I've heard some pretty bad stories. Then again, I'm probably not going to buy from them again, since I have a replacement ejector box coming in for my Chilean since the ejector is broken on mine.

Hope your M39 is good anon.

>>34452468
Dam. If I had a pair of non taper needle nose pliers I would try it.

>>34453579
These work I've heard.
https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Ergo-Opening-Pliers-Inches/dp/B0058EDJ42

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hey guys, my name is Anon, and im addicted to Milsurp

>>34449170
>tfw a lever Krag came up on gunboards for $650, granted it wasn't all original, it was in nice shape

God I was pissed. I had to hold off because at the time it wasn't a good financial decision to buy it. Fucking hospital bills.

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>>34453728
You're among friends here.

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My favorite trio.

>>34453238
Giving him money only hurts you

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>>34453445
>a Gew 98 that currently sits in a Vz.22 stock.
Lol, this is the only reason I haven't sold my extra Vz.98/22 yet. Juuust in case.

>>34453728
>hey guys, my name is Anon, and im addicted to Milsurp
Hi Anonnnnn.

>>34453940
>You're among enablers here.
FTFY.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Item/662439979
what is this worth? seems to be in pretty poor condition, and has non-matching parts. is it still going to go for $600+ like the others on gunbroker tend to do?

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>That feel when there's an uncommon gun that's on your list available online, but you shouldn't buy it yet because other guns are higher on The List.
>That feel when you check on it over and over and it's still there.
>That feel when you go to buy it...and they dropped the price...
>That feel when it's yours now.

Pic related.

>>34452099

The Enfield isn't talked about much because it was only in service during WW1. It was a substitute standard because Springfield Armory couldn't make enough '03s.

>>34453238

You rolled the dice, won't know if you fucked up until you get it. Mine was breddy gud.

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Did someone say shitty pics of 'surp?

>>34456007
The M1917 is a better gun and only lost to the 1903 because of fudds

>>34457226
>the 1917 is a better gun

fake news

>>34457260
>zeroes at 400 yards
That's all I have to say really

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>>34457326
So is the Gew98.

>>34457350
At least they updated that with the kar98k

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>>34457508
Yes, 3 decades later they got it down.

Meanwhile the Lebel is zeroed for 200.

>>34457580
That's great and stuff, but how does that help defend the US choice to stick with the 1903 instead of the 1917, which was the original argument?

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>>34457326
I love old guns like that.

anybody trying to sell anything? ive gotten burned on gunbroker the last handful of auctions so im taking a break and armslist isnt showing anything good in my area.

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>>34457598
Yeah I know. I forget what my point was or if I even had one to begin with.
>>34457649
1650 rounds of x54r and a 255rnd belt of French 30-06.

>>34457748

I keep saying it, but I should really buy some ammo from you.

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>>34457618
You liking it doesn't make it objectively better, though.

That only works for things I like.

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>>34458131
Yes you should. Or trade me for some milsurps.

Speaking of which, I'm kind of glad I lost out on this.

>>34458173
I never said it was better, it's just my personal opinion.

Daily reminder that the real reason the M1917 lost to M1903 was that the Gov't arsenals were already tooled up to produce them and spares.

>>34458381
It was because their sights were zeroed in for national match shoots so the army brass thought that made them a better fighting rifle. They were wrong.

>>34446667
Interrupted oxidation is actually it's own form of anti-rust protection as unintuitive as it sounds. Bluing is actually an interrupted controlled rust/oxidation. Removing rust with an abrasive that is harder than the rust but softer than the underlying metal, can create a patina that is resistant to further oxidation.

This happens with aluminum all the time. Most aluminum parts/products have an aluminum oxide layer that forms very quickly but prevents the further oxidation of the aluminum. Aluminum oxide, while only usually being a thin layer, Has a very high hardness value so never use aluminum cleaning rods on your barrels. The oxide layer on the rod can scratch your rifle's bore.

t. Material science engineer for a major US chip manufacturer.

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This fuckin' guy... I want one of these so bad but I bet his reserve is over $9,000. I'm not sure who I dislike more, him or grey carpet man.

>>34458239

I don't really have any to trade except for maybe a 91/30, and I'd rather keep that too. I'm getting close to finishing Phase One though, once that's finished some money should free up.

>>34457748
im assuming the 54r is corrosive surplus stuff right? does any of it come on clips, im having a hell of a time finding original mosin clips

>>34458520
Just put in what you're willing to pay and if the reserve is higher than that go somewhere else. It's not so hard to contemplate. I've bought plenty of guns below market value at reserve auctions that people, like yourself, weren't even bothering to look at because they saw reserve.

>>34458746

Sweaty Ben has them.

>>34458425
Literally the most retarded myth. The M1903 was designed to fit US doctrine from the outset. The M1917 was a stopgap weapon thrown together at the last minute. The national arsenals were tooled to make the M1903, bayonets and all the spares. The benefits of the M1917 are easily outweighed by the fact that you either A. Have to retool completely or B. Depend on a 3rd party.

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>>34458798
I would but this guy sets ridiculously high reserve prices. He's been re-listing the same rifles for over 6 months, most don't sell even after bidders go way over the value of the gun. Also, I have no idea what I should pay for a Peruvian Mauser. I just want it because dat crest and dem roller coaster sights, tho

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>>34457350
Gew.98's original zero was 200m.

>>34458718
Well money is never turned down.
>>34458746
Yes it is corrosive surplus from a variety of countries. No it is not on stripper clips. If it was, those clips would be commandeered by me for my many slav guns.
>>34458798
Pawnman hasn't sold a gun in over a year, at least not a milsurp one. Has a $1500 reserve on a Turk mauser.

>>34459058

Yeah, but I just ordered a Chiang Kai-Shek rifle and I'm hopefully getting a Garand on Saturday with a little luck, so my money is tied up ATM.

Makes you wonder what people like that are thinking, does he honestly think the guns are worth that much? Or is he just hoping for a desperate sucker?

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>>34458979
He's relisted his no4 mk1 about 4 times since January. It's been all the way up to $600 and still *reserve not met*

Just got this for 500 bucks, dude just got married and his wife was making him sell it

>>34459080

You paid $500 for nothing? Damn man.

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>>34459080
>>34459095
Fuck, my pictures keeping getting lost when posting.

>>34459080
What a fucking idiot

>>34459102

Jesus fuck. That's an amazing deal. I was excited at the hope of getting mine for $900 this weekend.

Makes me glad I'm incapable of attracting women.

>>34459106
>>34459107
I went to go buy a dirt bike from the guy, he was telling me how his wife is making him self all his toys. He brought up the rifle and the wife over heard him talking a little shit. Wanted 1500 for it but I told him all I had was 500 left after the bike. The wife yelled it was mine from inside the house.

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>>34459102
You got away with robbery

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>>34459102
That's a sweet deal. Barrel/receiver dates?

>>34459117

Man, what a bitch.

>>34459123
It's a 593xxx serial number, don't see any stamps on the barrel.

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>>34459058
Honestly Turk Mausers are undervalued, but 1500 is insane.

>>34459139
The barrel is dated on the chamber. You can see it if you pull back the op rod and look through the gap in between the handguard and stock

>>34459139

I think that makes it one of the last ones made by Springfield, which means it's late Korean-era.

>>34459117
This is why I will never marry

>>34459165
Nov 55 looks like

>>34459168
It is a Springfield

>>34459168
thats 593,000 not 5,930,000. Also the last garands are from 1957ish

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>>34459139
It should be visible when you pull the operating rod back.

>>34459180

Oh, right, that makes it April '42.

And '57 is still Korean-era.

>>34459191
Active-hostilities in Korea ended in 53 big boy

>>34459191
The government doesn't seem to think so
>Official Korean War Era: June 27, 1950 to Jan. 31, 1955 (The extended period was designated by Congress to define a period of eligibility to include a period of uneasy peace negotiations following hostilities.)

>>34459199

4 years from the end of active combat, 7 years until Gulf of Tonkin. Closer to Korea than Vietnam.

>>34459208
See
>>34459204

Some more questions about my M1 Garand, barrel number matches the bolt number but the number on the tang(?) of the receiver is different. Just gonna assume this was a parts bin gun then?

>>34459255
The US Military never serialized anything other than the receiver. As long as the dates you can determine fall with in the same range as the receiver its "matching"

>>34459271
Neat, looks like it's a matching gun then. Gonna poke around for affordable m2 ball now.

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>>34459279
I have a belt of it. .50/rnd.

$135 shipped.

>>34459290
Please note that French .30-06 is of incredibly dubious quality and that Garands are notably finicky with ammo

>>34459314
Ran the last belt I had through my Garand, no problems.

So what's the difference between the various country named Mausers?
(Yugo, Chilean, Spanish, etc)

>>34459324
Then why won't you run this belt through your Garand?

>>34459324
>p-please buy my ammo I s-swear it's r-reliable

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>>34459340
>So what's the difference between the various country named Mausers?
>(Yugo, Chilean, Spanish, etc)
They are different models (sometimes different models purchased/made by the same country at different times as Mauser design improved) sometimes made domestically, sometimes made in Germany/Austria/Czechoslovakia/Belgium for export to those countries. There were about 50 countries that adopted Mauser rifles so a brief summary about each is impossible.

https://www.amazon.com/Mauser-Military-Rifles-World-Robert/dp/1440215448
>tfw Bob Ball is dead and we'll never get that properly-edited 6th Edition with all the corrections that were supposed to go into the 5th Edition but got lost by the publisher

>>34459352
I don't shoot my Garand anymore. Also it's corrosive and I don't want to deal with that.

But mostly I don't shoot my Garand. Or my 1903a3.

>>34459382
>only mentioning its corrosive after someone calls you out
10/10

>>34441984
What's so great about Mausers? Legit question, everyone always says they're good but I never knew why.

Are there any modern rifles with Mauser actions?

>>34444898
>adding BSL

>adding stain

>not refinishing

wtf? I like hate midway now.

>>34459375
So pick a country and get ready to pay for one?

>>34459400
Where did I hide it? Its French surplus.
>>34459410
They're a strong and well built action, and they made a fuck ton of them.

>>34459428
>they made a fuck ton of them
Why don't I see them everywhere like mosins then? Where can I get one? How much do they go for? Why do I suddenly have a boner for them?

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>>34441984
How's this for a starting collection?

An SKS-M and a M91/30 Nugget?

My uncle told me he will buy me an AK-47 when I graduate boot camp and I plan to either buy a maccaroni or a P-63 to go along with these babies.

>>34459433
Because Mauser more or less perfected the bolt action.

>>34459445
>sks with banana mag
nigga plz

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>>34459424
Some countries are MUCH cheaper, ex Yugoslavian M48 are STILL $250-$300 even though many are basically factory new. Turk mausers are also cheap, but usually worn in.

>>34443830
>soviet arsenal
>more prestigious than anything
only that one of the shitty commie musket factories is better than the other shitty commie factory.

plus people like the star

>>34459445

Better than no guns, but barely. Get you a decent AR and sidearm when you have the money for it. Have fun storing your shit in the arms room because they won't let you keep it in the barracks, and never being able to fuck with them because checking them out and storing them over the weekend is too much of a hassle.

>>34443804
is that a type 99 long rifle?

>>34443868
original PU sniper rifle?

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>>34459433
>Why don't I see them everywhere like mosins then?
Because you must not be looking. I don't know what else to tell you.

>>34459460
It was a gift from my dad when I turned 18, I was using TapCo mags until I was able to get a hold of Polish Surp. I like them...

>>34459475
I plan to let my cousin, (who I live with) hold onto them until I get out. I don't plan on taking them with me... I mean, do people really do that shit?

>>34459419
BSL?

>>34459375
>don't cry for me argentina

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>>34444166
>mint condition
not likely. with how often the rifle was trained with, there is often stock damage around the butt. allegedly when stacked together in the snow, they would freeze together. then the soldiers would kick the stocks to break the icy grip

>>34444608
Chinese?

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>>34444516
its faster to use a heat gun and rags but whatever

>>34459410
It's very strong action, I won't address cock on open vs. cock on close because it's more of a personal preference but it is a factor, front locking lugs give better mechanical accuracy.

When they appeared on the market in the late 19th century there were really few bolt action rifles that offered such great performance while not having relatively complicated or fragile bolt which led to them being commonly used by many nations that couldn't develop their own design. Yugoslavia, Poland, Czechoslovakia, several south American countries, Sweden and many many others used it, which made it extremely common. On top of it, 1903 springfield action being a copy of Mauser's makes them more familiar to the biggest market in the world for civvie firearms. This means that you've had tons of them everywhere at one point of time and majority of important manufacturers copied the action and made sporting/hunting rifles using it. The action being very strong allowed for rechambering the rifles into whatever cartridge was at hand(the fate of many Arisaka rifles, which use slightly modified mauser action) making it very, very common design.

You could say they were the AK of their times - reasonable quality coupled with reasonable price. Of course Swiss straightpulls or even some more expensive Mannlichers(Greek ones for example) were better rifles at the time(with Ross being gucci AR, no not AR, gucci SCAR or HK 416 or something of the period), but they were also more expensive so it was obvious trade-off. Had French came out with MAS36 36 years earlier and exported it widely and it would probably take Mauser's spot if I can be honest.
>>34459433
>Why don't I see them everywhere like mosins then?
Mosins were unobtainium in lets say 70's. It all depends when the surplus gets dumped.

>>34459502
Fuck me!

BLS

Boiled linseed oil.

>>34459501

Well yeah, you're going to be gone for at least 4 years. Why would I want to be away from my guns for that long? I always kept my guns in my barracks closet in a snowboard case, which made sense to have because I was stationed somewhere mountainous and snowy. Whenever I wanted to go shooting I just snuck them out and went out into the mountains.

>>34444746
a space blanket would be better than a clear plastic

>>34459523
Adding BLO is not refinishing a rifle.

How good are Savage SMLE No. 4 Mk. I's? I've got one on a deal from a friend for $300.

>>34445388
>Some guns need to be refinished badly
true
> letting a gun rust into the ground because
show me a pic of a gun like that that somebody restored

>>34459528
I take it you where in the army then?
I don't think they would like me taking my SKS on board a carrier?

>>34459518
Romanian.

>>34459566

Nope. You're fucked.

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>>34446788
>>34449104
>only the Chinese made non-military guns, and even then some of theirs were military too.

Norinco made SKS rifles for the commercial market. if your SKS has a state factory number on the left side of the receiver before the serial number its a Type 56

>>34446830
>alloys, some steel has zinc mixed in with it for anti-corrosion

thats not a finish. it is just the natural anit-corrosive properties of the steel. like the steel used in Swedish M96 Mausers