Bolt action

>>34441686
>bolt action

just buy a fucking semi-auto preferably an AR15 unless you live in a cucked nation then you shouldn't be buying guns anyway and leave them to the real men.

tldr: fuck off fudd

>>34441686
Howa can be good too, but the Tikkas are hard to beat right now. Usually all you have to replace is the godawful stock.

>>34441729
You don't seem to know much about guns or why people shoot them.

>>34441686
If you have the money then go for a tikka. I have 2 of them and both shoot consistent 0.75 moa and better.
Also, don't listen to this idiot with his bait >>34441729

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>>34441729
>he doesn't own multiple types of guns

>>34441729
Oh, another one of these doofus mall ninjas who thinks that the only guns worth having are ARs and Glocks. Predictable.

Here's one to rustle your jimmies: semiauto is only a useful feature in combat rifles. Keep in mind, I support the right of the people to keep and bear combat rifles, and I have one myself. But combat rifles are a category of rifles designed for a specific purpose, and are different from the kinds of rifles you'd use for other purposes - i.e. hunting rifles, survival rifles, plinking rifles, and so on. In rifles other than combat rifles, semiauto is unnecessary at best and a net negative due to excess complexity at worst. That is, in fact, why most rifles that aren't combat rifles of some form or another *aren't* semiauto.

So long story short, every free citizen should have a combat rifle to be ready for the higher-than-even odds that we're going to have some manner of civil war in the next 20-50 years. But if you plan to do anything else with your rifle other than sitting in your basement waiting for RAHOWA to start, get a bolt or lever gun.

>>34441686
Just save up a little and get the one you really want. Personally, I want a new Winchester model 70 fetherweight in 308.

>>34441787

It's the difference between spending 500 or spending 1600. I'll probably buy the cheap gun now and get the expensive one in a few years

>>34441826
Then you are buying a gun that you will probably lose interest in the second you get the new one. Buy once cry once. Unless you aren't familiar with bolt guns and just want to dip your toe in to see if you like them.

>>34441832
You have no idea how good tikka's are able to shoot. The only gripe I ever hear about them is the stocks aren't that sturdy on base models. But that would be a upgrade down the line and would keep him from spending a ton of money on a completely new rifle

>>34441844
Yeah I do have an idea. I was trying to convince him to just save money and get the better rifle.

>>34441729
>unless you live in a cucked nation then you shouldn't be buying guns anyway and leave them to the real men.

You mean the real men who dont need guns to feel safe, but love hunting? Those men?

>>34441729
For all of the threads that are made complaining about "fudds" (aka a strawman that has not existed as a coherent political force since your grandparents' generation), mallninjas like this fag are way more prevalent and annoying on day/k/are.

>>34441787
Don't the Tikkas have better mechanical accuracy than a Winchester Model 70?

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Guys I impulse bought a Mossberg MVP thunder ranch .223, am I a fucking retard? I've only ran about 50 rounds through it and it seems to go alright, but about 50 percent of the shit I see online about it says it's shithouse. I mainly bought it because AR mags are cheaper than any other where I'm from and I just want a good small game round, for foxes and whatnot.

Are there any nice bolt guns that are based on a mauser action? I know it stuck around for a while but I don't know which ones. Are there any that stand out from the others?

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>>34442290
Majority of all modern bolt guns are based on the Mauser's action.

>>34441844

What about the wood stocks?

I love my Sakos

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>>34443384
The wood does have some give to it when I squeeze the very front of it, but not enough to touch the barrel unless you really put some force into it. The stocks are by no means bad, they have both held up fine the last couple of years I've owned them

>>34442290
I do believe that CZ rifles are based on Mauser actions (at least the 550 and 527). You can also get brand new Mausers, if you so please.
Actually, there's a Mauser action for everyone.
>Dirt poor?
No problem, get a used military Mauser! Available in all manner of chamberings from 6,5x55 up to 10,75x68, and a plethora of professionally (and less than professionally) converted calibres in between! You may or may not be picky, depending on what's available locally.
>Have some money?
No problem, get a CZ 550!
>Have some money but harbor an intense dislike for cool big calibres?
No problem, get a CZ-527 and a matching purse!
>Have a fair deal of money?
No problem, buy a Mauser brand Mauser!
>Have a fair deal of money and like projects?
No problem, buy a Mayfair Engineering custom Mauser action!
>Eat Benjamins, take a shit and wipe your ass with more Benjamins and still running out of space to put your money?
No problem, buy a Mauser Meisterklasse!

>>34443496
>The wood does have some give to it when I squeeze the very front of it, but not enough to touch the barrel unless you really put some force into it


Isn't that a good thing? I thought floating barrels were better for keeping the barrel accurate and not having it jarred every shot

>>34442278
how much did you pay for it? i've been thinking about buying a scout type rifle for sharts and gargles and have looked at mossbergs. I like the fact that they take AR mags unlike other rifles in this class.

I'm not expecting precision accuracy out of it just being able to hit steel targets at 300-450yds is good for me.

>>34443554
Yea it's a good thing. That's one of the complaints about the synthetic stocks, some can bend more when they heat up from shooting and will touch the barrel. Which is why people tend to replace those with something sturdier down the line.

>>34441729

Creatures like you are why people hate ARs and Glocks, which are otherwise ok firearms.

>>34441686

Thoughts on the mossberg patriot?

>>34443651
I've hear they are actually quite accurate and can shoot sub moa and the triggers from the factory are decent. But you would need to handle one in a store to see how the stock and action are, and compare it to some other rifles

>>34442971
But that's wrong tho. 99% of rifles produced by number are tubular, push-feed actions with a separate recoil lug. 95% of rifles in production by model are tubular, push-feed actions with a separate recoil lug.

>>34443515
And for the ultra-destitute you have the Zastava mini and micro mausers.

But they're shit.

Get a mosin

>>34443651
They're accurate, they are pretty much the only sub-$800 rifle available with a wood stock, the mags aren't total ass, and the trigger isn't total ass.

However, they have Mossberg's standard slop in the bolt, which coupled with the fluted bolt means you can bind it up while working it. Not an issue for what the rifle was designed for (deer hunting), and since it isn't offered in anything remotely "dangerous game" it's merely an annoyance.

>>34441729
>just buy a fucking semi-auto preferably an AR15
What's even the point of a rifle that loads itself for you? At that point you're barely even shooting.
You wouldn't drive a car that changes its own gears, would you?

>>34442290
Mauser's final designs had the bolt lugs up and down when locked so if there was any stretch between the lugs it would pull the bullet up/down instead of left/right

small piece of trivia

>>34443515
Also Montana Rifle Company has production rifles built on a pre-64 Model 70/Mauser clone action.

http://montanarifleco.com/?page_id=260

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Latest addition. Remington 700 CDL 300 win mag. It has the recalled trigger so when I finally send it in I will have the barrel threaded 5/8x24 for a brake. I've got 250 pieces of brass prepped . First load was 70 grains of IMR 4831, CCI primer, and 180 gr SST. Test fired 5 rounds. Still need to find the lands and load a little more precisely. Haven't grouped it yet.

Opinions of the rem 700?

>>34443779
>>34443820

I'm looking at one chambered in .308, what does the mag hold for that?

>>34441686
Howa 1500.

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>>34441686

Anyone have a Spanish FR-8? I just learned of them a few months ago and kinda really want one, especially given their cost. How accurate are they? Are they fun?

>>34444087
>Opinions of the rem 700?
Good action. Small, light, and easy to work on.

>>34441686
Is $850-899 a good price for a Howa 1500 in .308/7.62 REAL FUCKIN NATO, with a scope, bipod, Detachable box mag model, and factory camo? The mag (not the barrel) can also be used for 30-06, and 270 Win if I buy another Howa or possibly a Weatherby.

>>34444091
Mossberg's site says 5. So probably 4+1

>>34441729
You know this is 18+

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>>34444087
My other Rem 700. This one is the AAC-SD 308 with cheap everything. Nikon 4-12, Leupold base/rings, tacfire brake, G3 sling, no name pouch and utg bipod. It's a solid shooter. I'll upgrade stuff later. For now I'm spending my money on having 3 boys with my wife.

Most of my guns are midgrade with inexpensive additions/upgrades. My ARs trigger ARG.

>>34444087
Love the 700 action. Haters can go pound sand.

My 700 Police LTR in .223 is a dream. Relatively light, no recoil, accurate, simple. Really fun "take your time" rifle.

No pics but this is the setup:

700P LTR
Timney 510
Viper PST 6-24x
GI web sling

Kinda wish I'd gone with the 4-16x, 6 is a little high. But for punching paper it's great.

>>34444651
>>34444569
>>34444087
I have a Rem700 SPS-V in .308 While i can shoot ~1 to 1.5 MOA with it using 168gr Federal Gold Medal Match when I take the time I definitely want to get a new stock for it since the one i have touches the barrel when on bipod or bench rest. I'm sure the stock rifle could get better accuracy but I'm new to precision shooting and I flinch like a bitch.

What do you guys think about the bolt? With mine you really have to use a lot of force to work it. I've been reading that if your 700 does this you just plant your ass in front of the tv and watch a movie while mindlessly working the bolt. Eventually it will smooth out. Is this normal for a new 700? My cousin bought a Tikka T3 and that bolt is butter.

>>34443515
>brand new Mausers
Fucking where?

>>34444721
Put a small dab of teflon grease (Ford makes some blue window track grease, Slick-50 works too) on the cocking ramp on your bolt body. This is the source of the cocking effort.

On your stock- you can carefully relieve the forend so it doesn't touch the barrel. A dowel that's close to the diameter of the barrel and some 100-grit sandpaper will do. if your stock is wood, seal it after wards. If it's composite, s schpritz of stock-colored paint.

It should shoot about 1" at 200 yards, in my experience. That's very good off the shelf ammo.

>>34444721
I don't have any troubles with the bolts on my rifles. I have smoothened out actions for rifles and pistols by working them repeatedly. Just don't do it dry.

I plan on bedding the stock on my CDL once I figure out exactly how I want to do it. I will probably do some light sanding on the forend to give it a true free floated barrel. I can slide a dollar down but not when it's sitting on the bipod.

There are plenty of guides online to improving the 700.

>>34444923
https://www.mauser.com/en/
You get a Mauser, you get a Mauser, everybody gets a Mauser!

>>34444973
The dollar is fudlore. Stocks absorb and release moisture constantly, and are warping and stress-relieving. Shoot for more like 1/32" to 1/16".

Bedding is fairly easy to do, but kinda easy to mess up. Tape the stock in blue masking tape befroe you start, wak the action in paste wax. Make sure you wax the hell out of the screw holes and screws. I used to use Acra-Glass.

When you sink the action into the expoxied stock, wrap a piece of surgical tubing around the two.

Lots of tutorials online.

The key is- no bedding ahead of the recoil lug.

>>34443844
>he doesn't shoot a musket by striking it by hand with a chunk of flink
what is even the point of shooting if you dont do it all yourself

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>>34445061

>>34441686
Get the Tikka. It's miles ahead of anything else.

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CZ 550 american rifle (made in czech republic) simmons scope
it shoot 22-250 it the 200 yard range i can almost stack bullets on top of each other on paper while rested

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>>34441686
Get a mountain jew straight pull . Amazing build quality that i have yet to see on new production rifles.

>>34444130
I own one and they're great. Just be sure to be quiet about it when you get it.

Wouldn't want them drying up like the other surp.

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>>34441686
Does the ishapore feature a magazine disconnect. I need to know

>>34441750
how's the tikka factory wood stocks?

>>34441826
might as well buy the cheapest non-totally-shit one or used bolt to see if you really want to go deep into bolt guns. Because you end up paying $2100 total for the gun you wanted all along and a gun that takes up space and most likely never to be shot again after your $1600 is bought.

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>>34443515
>Mauser Meisterklasse
>pic related
I really wish I shat money to buy stuff like this and actually pay for a trip with guides and use said gun on big game.

>>34449589
They have a slight give if you apply pressure to the front end (squeezing it upwards/towards the barrel). But it would need quite a bit of force to make it touch. The stocks are definently mid-tier, but don't need to be replaced unless you really want to. Especially since it's a cheap-ish rifle

Looking for a scout scope for my Ruger GSR. Nothin' too fancy.

Recommendations?

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>>34449961
Don't get a scout scope, get a 1-4x or 1-6x traditional.

>>34449635
Money shitter here, what's it cost?

>>34442290

The FN-built Winchester model 70s are all Mauser action (and bloody brilliant).

So are Ruger m77 rifles I believe.

>>34446891
> He doesn't roll up gunpowder, pellets, and a primer in his fist, then headbutt the primer really hard.
Its like you don't even care about shooting.

Why do I have to be left handed? Bolt actions aren't comfortable despite being incredibly sexy. Fuck me

>>34442184

Jesus Christ you're a retard.

I dare you to live in my area and feel safe without a gun.

If you can live in South Africa and not feel worried without a gun it doesn't make you a man. It makes you a stupid liberal living in a fantsy world

Just shot a nugget in poland today. I loved it! I have to get going on my hunter's license so i can look into importing one.

>>34450477
You do know there are left handed bolt guns...although the selections are limited.

>>34441686
I'm looking at getting a decent bolt action I can use for hunting, but also precision shooting. I'm thinking the tikka t3x, but dont know what caliber. Should I go classic .308? I know they offer 6.5 creedmoor, but they're pricier and harder to find in my lgs and online unless I want to pay way over msrp

>>34450477
I know Tikka makes some links rifles, and probably Sako too. Weatherby makes the excellent Mark V in links (not their Vanguard, which is basically a Howa 1500 anyway). No idea about Remington.
What's your budget anyway?

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>>34449299
One of these days, I'll get one of these!

I don't have any good pictures but I have this?

>>34450230
Also, cz bolt actions as well and the discontinued husqvarna rifles.

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>>34451839
>have
K31
>need
K31 scout
K31 pistol

>>34441686
Just picked up a Savage Axis recently in .308. Pretty satisfied with it especially considering the price. Great starter rifle for bolt action. I've had a lot of fun shooting it.

>>34451862
I was also thinking of .308 as my first bolt action. I'm looking at the ruger American tho because of the free floated barrel

Didnt see a precision general thread up, bit i would like a second opinion real quick on my rifle.

Goal is for 1000 yard rifle on a medium budget to learn on.

>Rem 700 sps aac 20in 308 1:10 twist
I got it in almost new condition for 300 bucks from a coworker. Figured it had the most aftermarket and the barrel was already threaded and has a heavy contour.

>precision armament 20moa scope base
Didnt require any bedding, fit perfectly onto the receiver.

>burris xtr signature 30mm med rings
Very solid rings, have had the non tactical on another rifle. Allows for adjustment of scope placement with shims so i can have a perfect alignment.

>Athlon ares btr 2-15x50mm ffp mil
I wanted to stay in the 15-17x max power because i do not want a tiny ass reticle at 4-6x. Went with athlon because warranty and good reviews. 799$ for something with the same stats as a pst gen2 thats 949$. I like the reticle on this slightly more than the pst gen 2 which was my other option, because it has .2mil hash marks, and the center has a detached cross hair.

>Timney thin trigger
I like the thinner trigger, and plan to set it to 2.5lbs

>harris s brm 6-9 bipod
I already had this and like it.

>xlr element chassis with folding stock
Went with a chassis to prevent need for bedding and wanted to use aics style mags. Its solid, not too heavy overall, but is slightly front heavy due to heavy contour barrel.

I plan to shoot the barrel out through learning how to shoot long distances in classes and such. And eventually switch out the barrel and have a new one blue printed to the action and have all associated work done at that point in time.

What do you anons think?

Total cost came out to about 1700.

>>34441729
Some people can afford both, dipshit.

>>34455064
What do you plan on shooting out to 1000yds? I bought 168gr & 175gr SMKs and I need to work up a load to see what works best. I also have the harris 6-9 bipod. If you are going to be shooting up an incline you should consider the bigger one (9-13?). I have an incline and my bipod is only usuable for the steel at 370 yds. I need to prop it up for the targets further out.

I also bought an almost new Rem700 SPS from my cousin, but I got the varmint with 26" barrel and 1:12 twist. I'm probably going to get it cut down to 22". It came with a scope base,cheap scope, and rings. Looking to replace scope eventually.

Will probably buy the following
McMillan A5

Vortex Viper PST 4-16x or 6-24x. (open to other scopes)
I understand the 6-24x is probably overkill but it's only a few bucks more and I will probably get it unless the 4-16x is on sale for considerably less.

Looking at timney triggers as well but not sure which to get

What caliber(s) are you considering once you shoot out you're .308?

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>>34441686
If you buy the tikka your buying a rifle that will be passed down through the family. Its an excellent firearm. Reliable, durable and accurate. Pic related.

>>34455329
which tikka did you get? kinda wish i would have bought the t3 ctr

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>>34455329
I see you shoot the same shit groups I do. Here's an example

>>34443515
>No problem, get a CZ-527 and a matching purse!
Oi, I have multiple full-size rifles for that. The CZ 527 is for a cheaper plinker that isn't a .22lr.

>>34441781
>But if you plan to do anything else with your rifle other than sitting in your basement waiting for RAHOWA to start

3-gun is pretty fun if you don't mind the whole thing ultimately being about how fast you can reload a shotgun.

>>34455292
My original idea was to use a m40 type stock but the wait time, inletting, bedding, etc would take almost a year vs getting a chassis for 300 bucks.

I went with timney because thats what most custom rifles come with as standard. Went with the thin width trigger vs standard because the regular width felt like my handgun trigger, and my other rifles have thinner trigger than that.

My eventual new barrel will be a FGMM reamed 308 barrel, since id like to keep this for training schools.

Scope wise, if i was in your range, which sounds like 6-700$ or less, i would go with an athlon as well. I actually have a pst gen 1 that was supposed to go on my dmr style ar15, and it didnt meet my expectations. I ended up getting a PA 4-16 FFP, and it was much better than my vortex. My price range was 1500, and i was going to get a USO but there were too many negatives with warranty, and thats why my options dwindled to vortex pst gen 2 and the athlon ares btr. They both have equivalent warranty. Both scopes are brand new of this year, so not really tested, but thats where the warranty comes in for both. The deciding factor for me was the reticle.

I could have gotten something more expensive with my price range, but i was looking for very specific things that i just could not find. No more than 17x FFP, exposed turrets, fully illuminated reticle, and good warranty. Nightforce was mostly SFP, ive had terrible experiemces with leupold warranty and CS, USO had a bad warranty, the gen1 razors vortex has did not have exposed turrets.

Btw most higher end long range schools only allow exposed turret variable power with a minimum of 10x scopes, such as thunder ranch, and storm mountain. Otherwise I would have been more than happy to use my swfa HD 10x, which is amazing btw. The reason this is a factor in my decision making is because im using my rifle to attend these higher end courses next year.

>>34457050
you're going to stick with .308? I think when I shoot my barrel out I will probably choose .260 rem or 7mm-08. Those bullets have better BC for long range shooting.

What do you think is better for precision shooting in regards to a trigger? Single or two stage triggers and why? I know timney makes both.

I'll look into Athlon scopes. My budget for a scope would ideally be no more than $800 but can be $1250. I have the amazon store card and they run promos with 0% financing all the time. At that amount it would probably be 12-24 months too and a $50-100/month payment would be ezpz. Better yet would be to get a new cc that has 0% financing for 12 months and gives you points, but i already have 2 CCs and don't need another. I wouldn't recommend going this route unless you are good with money and can pay your bills on time (ie monthly payments if 0% financing or in full every month otherwise) or else the financing/points are not worth it. I would have used my credit card points (~$600) but I made a kegerator for my homebrew setup and bought some reloading stuff. I need to find cheaper hobbies.

>>34455470
I didn't mean nothing by it, I'm just really enthusiastic about big calibres. I've got a Mauser in .404 Jeffery and 10,75x68 on my wishlist, and potentially a CZ-550 in 458 Lott.
I don't think anyone who's enthusiastic about shooting would ever underestimate the importance of doing volume training with smaller calibres. Leave alone that even with reloading and a titanium shoulder, I don't think I'd be shooting magnummongo calibres that much.

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>>34442278
>Am I retarded?
>Mossman rifle
>Fossil fashion watch
>Stool on carpeting (will create indents)
>Cluttered wires

You sicken me.

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I'd suggest you try some out ( if you can ), see what you like. I just spent the money and got a decent bolt gun right off the rip. Now I don't have to think " wow, I wasted time and money on some piece of garbage. ".

>>34444130
wtf is that recycled from a gas gun or something? eww.

>>34442278
umm... no sights, .223.

not the choice I would've made, but no, you're not retarded, you just have a slightly less useful rifle than one with open sights and in .308.

but for foxes? I'd get a .17hmr or 22 mag to keep from blasting the pelt/skeleton.

so maybe you are a LITTLE retarded...

i guess you could take it pig or deer hunting

>>34442278
>varmint rifle
>no irons
????

I don't understand why the MVP Scout isn't more popular. it's the same MVP design, but with a much longer sight radius, and a rear peep sight.

>>34441778
It's decent bait, because thats actually what ar fags think

>>34459224
Ya this rifle is essentially for classes, and i do not reload. I alreqdy have a tac ops on the way, eta 2 years lmao, in 300 win mag.

I recommend regular timney trigger set to 2 or 2.5lbs. Two stages are nice, but you need to see how it feels first, so shoot a m1a if u can. If you are gonna do matches a two stage or jewell trigger set to 1.5lbs would be good. But for general shooting a timney is good to go.

Ya athlon will save you a hundred bucks or so vs a vortex gen2. But decide based off of your use. My use is classes where i will be dialing a shit ton and some holdovers, which is why my athlon reticle fits the bill with .2mil hash marks and horus type reticle.

I recommend never using credit cards. Its better to not owe money to anyone and just save for purchases

>>34460256
>All that money for a great rifle and scope
>Cucked by gimp caliber

>>34441729
Cawh of Dooty pls go

>>34442263

So much of this comes down to the actual build of the gun, besides the design.

My new production Model 70 in .30-06 will consistently group under an inch @ 100m with various loads, and I'm not using a lead sled or a bipod. I'm usually shooting for groups off of my range bag. I also don't handload. That's superb for a relatively lightweight gun. If I wanted to build a genuine longrange tack driver, maybe I would choose to start with a push-feed, clip extractor rifle, but I'd be more worried about the barrel and the stock than anything else.

The real reason you see push feed guns being so popular for long range rifles is that barrel work is relatively easy.

>>34451424

How far can you realistically shoot at your local range and/or nearby public land?

>>34453120

They have a pretty nice action. Nicer than the Axis I think. You might want to upgrade the stock at some point though.

>>34444923
>>34445014
And EuroOptic.com is a good distributor based in Pennsylvania

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Anyone know anything about Savage 110? I love how it looks and from what I gather it's damn accurate. Drawbacks being heavy weight and expensive mags.