What do you guys think about copper bullets for carry. They look nasty in gel but I read that's bullshit. I'm asking because I have a bunch of federal HST and about half the tests I watch they get plugged up and don't expand. If they aren't gonna expand anyways should I go with a bullet designed to not expand. Or should I go really big and heavy and get some hard casts.
>>34439677
i have those loaded in my lcp, i'll tell you how they work in a self defense situation if one ever occurs.
Leigh defense extreme penetrator looks promising in gel tests, but I think for 9mm it is unnecessary. I would only use a high penetration round for .380 and lower.
Pic related, my carry gun which I load with Leigh defense extreme penetrator.
>>34439677
If you want a traditional hollowpoint but better, get some Civil Defense ammo. If you want something that can punch through fifteen melanine enriched individuals try the Underwood/Lehigh shit.
>>34439677
>>34439716
For .380 which doesn't have enough energy to both reliably expand and reliably penetrate at the same time, those bullets are the absolute best compromise.
For 9mm I prefer Gold Dot or PDX or HST. Remember, through hard barriers, you don't necessarily want expansion. A bullet that reacts one way through a barrier a different way through flesh is probably ideal.
>>34439769
>19-21" penetration
That's more like 3/4 of one overweight southerner. I'm not sure why people thing this is overpenetration, unless they're still referring to that one idiot's videos.
>>34439769
These don't seem like hollowpoints, they seem like modified semi wadcutters. quarter wadcutters.I was thinking of getting the two different types lehigh makes but the 2 calibers I wanted were out of stock last few times I checked a couple months ago. Plus I saw that 10mm gun video that exploded from an undersized one.....
>>34439814
Probably a Glock.
>>34439677
Just use FMJ or flat nose.
Hollow points are a shitty meme from the 1800's that refuses to die.
>>34439866
What is the point of shitposting on one of the slowest subreddits on 4chan?
>>34439849
I'm not sure I'm pretty sure it was a polymer lower and he didn't seem as badly hurt as a 357 rhino revolver explosion, but I really feel like I don't have enough reloading experience especially if it's on a less common caliber that they don't have stocked to mess around with it.
>>34439677
where can I get purple parallels?
>>34439766
using federal hst and/or hornady custom xtp on my carry bodyguard atm. penetration should be fine from what I've seen
>>34440364
>>34439677
Hard cast bullets are a joke, you only need hardened lead at about 3,000 feet per second or greater. Don't use lead bullets unless you're reloading.
>>34441208
>hornady custom xtp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whURQiqm8aQ
>>34439784
Penetration is a weird subject. The FBI standard assumes you're shooting through arms and gel tests don't account for bones. Nobody really knows how much penetration is needed and what's too much.
>>34441563
Don't be a cunt, hollowpoints have enough tissue destruction that the argument of penetration should be left to gentlemen.
Hornady XTP bullets are a meme now that bonded JHPs exist
Hollow points are a meme in calibers like .380 and 9x18
>>34441563
More penetration is better, the vast majority of a pistols lethality comes from blood loss, if you can poke a hole straight through someone it's better than through half of them. If you didn't hit something vital with FMJ you probably wouldn't have hit it with JHP either.
>>34441563
>Penetration is a weird subject.
I don't mind over penetration as long as it's taking half his lung through his back.
>>34439814
>>34439849
>>34440439
It was a Glock 20 but iirc the kaboom was because of a double charged round from Underwood. Underwood ended up paying for the damages
>>34441607
fuck you
hollowpoints are gay, XTP's are GOAT. penetration and retention is king.
>>34441662
>10mm
nice meme round, get a 9mm fag
T. every tryhard fag with a glock. No wonder they need 33 round mags.
>>34441709
>nice meme round
Since when has 10mm ever been a Meme round?
I fucking wish summer was over already.
>>34441709
There is a reason people don't hunt with 9mm. Yes I can put more rounds on target faster with a 9 but while all these thugs can take multiple hits with 9s and live, find me a deer that ever made it through 2 rounds of 10mm
>>34442161
>Since when has 10mm ever been a Meme round?
Since chad bought a 45 and realized it didn't anymore stopping power than his girlfriends 9mm
>>34441245
Yea my wife's PK380 is all Hornady Custom XTP. Bodyguard has one clip of this plus a clip of Federal HST. Same stats on the 380 auto ammo from Hornady as the 9mm in the vidya except it's a 90gr not 95gr.
>>34441709
33 round mags were made for the G18.
>>34441607
Are there really people like you around wearing fedoras and criticizing ammunition choices?