QTDDTOT: question that dont deserve their own thread, ATF fuck

If it's not attached then it's not an AOW

>>34437197
What im asking is if it was attached to the top would that make it an AOW, im pretty sure it would but not sure

>>34437169
looks pretty vertical to me.

>>34437217
The position of the grip isn't noted by the atf, so yes it's illegal, but even if it wasn't, what exactly do you hope to gain by having it there

>>34437233
What if we were to place the grip in line with the pistol grip but specifically note that the gun is to be held at a 15 degree angle relative to said grip?

>>34437217
It's never an AOW
Courts have ruled against that ATF interpretation, because they don't get to interpret the goddamn laws

>>34437246
>>34437246
my gun deserves to have a hat because this is a hat forum

>>34437246
Hip fire easier

>>34437246
So... No vertical forgrips on pistols no matter the position....
https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Arms-Gear-Chainsaw-Grip/dp/B00GP3IFBC
What would this be considered?

>>34437246
I believe they say vertical foregrip, that being said what if a grip was attached to the buffer tube, behind the pistol grip. Also what if you had a rifle caliber pistol without a pistol grip, like a sks or something, and put a foregrip on it. Thats only one vertical grip

>>34437252
the bore of the gun is going to be the defining axis. i do remember there being some overall length loophole where you can make a "firearm" that isn't nfa with a foregrip and no stock, you amy want to look into that.

>>34437253
source

>>34437372
http://www.titleii.com/bardwell/us_v_davis2.txt

Charges were dismissed without ruling

Additionally, regardless of how the wind blows, if the firearm is over I think 26" overall length, but lacks a stock and has a short barrel, then it is simply defined as a "firearm" as it doesn't fit the definition of "able to be concealed" in the NFA

>>34437485
>http://www.titleii.com/bardwell/us_v_davis2.txt
Looks to me that they still went down for the illegal suppressor charge.

>As to the motion to dismiss concerning the silencer kit, this
court concludes that the kit is a silencer as defined by the
statute and that the motion to dismiss should be denied.

>>34437485
thank You, that was very informative read.

>>34437169
Attach it to the side.

>>34438886
Did he have a solvent trap kit?

>>34437303
You answered yourself already, the fore part is key. So even if you only have one grip, if it's in front of the action, and isn't there for the trigger, it's the same. Also, I'm not sure, but I'm willing to bet a "pistol" without a pistol grip is likely to be considered an aow, like a pen gun

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Why does the Ruger LCR have an aluminum/steel upper frame and polymer lower, when this Taurus revolver proves that you can easily make all of it out of polymer?
>It's bulkier and blows up
It's using Brazil tier plastics, and I haven't heard of them grenading

what's the best rifle for surviving after a nuclear war or something similar? preferring robustness and ubiquity of ammunition over pure power, range, or accuracy

>>34439793
>ubiquity of ammunition
Matchlocks. All you need is charcoal, sulphur, and some rocks.

>>34439793
in the US? prob an 5.56 AR-15 sadly
>i wanted to say slr106 (5.56 ak) but extra parts will be a nightmare

>>34439837
they look so gross

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How cute would her ass look in a pair of denim shorts?

>>34439793
>what's the best rifle for surviving after a nuclear war or something similar?
define "best"

>>34439775
Probably saves R&D costs by using the metal frame from the .357 model on the .38 instead of making two different models. Also it doesn't really save much weight to make it entirely of plastic and anything Taurus does, you should do the opposite.

>>34439853
SLR-107 11 is another choice

>>34439888
before nuclear war starts, a rifle magically appears in front of you. the best rifle is the one where you live the longest on average by choosing it among all rifles

>>34437291
>so no vfg on pistols
Kind of. In the US if the ar pistol over 26" in length (from the end of the barrel to reciver extension) its a "firearm" so a vfg is ok

>>34439892
https://s3.amazonaws.com/mgm-content/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2015/08/08/4586458_03_arsenal_slr_107_cr_ak47_7_62x3_640.jpg it doesn't look that bad. i really dislike the look of the long as fuck curved magazine. the small box magazine looks nicer

>>34439914
piston AR

>AR parts compatability for the most part
>5.56 ammo
>reliability over shits where it eats DI

>>34439527

He had some sort of kit which was marketed as a suppressor kit, and not a solvent trap. DSG Arms fell into that legal gray area with their sales of solvent traps because their website was oriented almost exclusively around converting their solvent traps into suppressors and showing their users how. They had zero videos on how to actually use them as solvent traps (which is what they're supposedly intended for, right?), and a bunch on how to convert them into suppressors. Then they sold all sorts of shit related to converting them into suppressors, like freeze plugs and centering tools for when you're ready to drill them. They were retarded, and complained when the ATF shut them down because solvent traps were like 90% of their business. I bought one of theirs and did a form 1, so I was wondering what, if anything, the ATF would have done with their customer list, but thankfully they didn't do all that.

Non fuck the ATF question.

Any suggestions on how to secure a pistol when I go jogging that isn't a fanny pack? I live in kind of a shady part of town and don't always have time to drive to the nice part of town to go run. And for whatever reason treadmills kill my knees, so that's out of the question.

If I use an ACR receiver with AR15 parts for the rest of the assembly (hypothetically) is it an ACR or an AR15?

Another Fuck the Atf question, if I were to make a muzzleloader integrally suppressed would it be legal without a form 1 stamp because they aren't legally firearms? Like a break action airgun.

>>34440189
Bellyband

>>34440309
I've seen a few of those. Are they worth a damn, or do you know if one is better than another?

>>34440227
if you have a ship, and replace it part by part with new parts, is it the same ship as before?

ATF related question: I'm new to guns and I don't know a lot about the restrictions but I recently aquired a henry mares leg pistol. I'm not too fond of the pistol stock and I want to replace it with a full stock, but would this make it an sbr? Would I need a tax stamp or something?

>>34440189
what holster do you have?

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>>34437169
Is smoking cigars while shooting degenerate

Besides english, german, and russian, what are some kay languages?

Will shit like and or similar to this EVER be viable and or useful?
https://youtu.be/2W7B3w_sAA8[embed]
https://youtu.be/GBGcRh08lDM[embed]
https://youtu.be/290REmBFuIE[embed]
IF this shit ever actually does roll of the factory floor it will be given exclusively to Special Forces units
I'm asking you guys because a good chunk of you guys have been in the Armed forces or Police forces and know what's useful and not useful in Battle
I know the answer is no but I just wanted confirmation

>>34440885
Anime

>>34440066
What if he had bought a maglight d cell tube stainless steel, a front cap and end cap and some stainless steel 60 degree cones.
Would he have been charged?

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Is $325 a bad price for a Cobray Mac-11?

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>>34441072

>>34440543
Yes. If the barrel is less than 16 inches

>>34441072

not bad, not great imo, depends on the extras.

>>34440840
wow I never knew arnie was a manlet

>>34439793
AR-15
Mosin
AK-47

Take your pick. They all serve mostly all around roles and are pretty durable reliable guns.

anyone else have an illogical hardon for makarovs and all of their variants? Why are they so sexy?Kinda thinking about getting a p64 or a Bulgarian for fun and maybe as another cc

WWI movies?

I have an itch to watch some trench warfare. Authenticity a bonus.

>>34441248
"Coward" on YouTube
War Horse
Beneath Hill 60( about miners digging tunnels under Jerry)

>>34440840
Smoking cigars is never degenerate unless they're shit cigars.

>>34440227
im going to go with acr because thats where the serial is. i had an uncle that restores fucked up cars ect into one off whatevers. he always said if you dont know what the chassis is just use the best vin from the parts.

>>34441248
there's some good french one. just google french ww1 movie from like 2004.

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What kind of sling is this? I see them everywhere but I cant find out where they're from or what they're for.

>>34437278
>Hip fire easier
Fucking Hollywood.

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Dear /k/, question for a story line
>it is the early 19th century just shortly after the Napoleonic wars
>there is a elite shooting competition with high prize money and international attention
>target is a iron nail in a fresh log of wood, head is 1/2"diameter, at 200 yards
>3 rounds limit, whoever hits the nail, wins
>everything regarding rifles and optics is fair, but no resting aids (bench, stick, bipod etc.) so you got to take the shot freehand.
>prone position is fine.

Could that work? Like you have a dozen expert marksmen with high end gear of the time, could one nail the nail?
What gear would they use at the time?
Also, could some hawkeye blessed hick with a very well made long rifle do it?

>>34437169

What if a foregrip was attached to the side, as a "horizontal foregrip?"

ATF specifically mentions a VERTICAL Foregrip.

On Gunbroker I am bidding on a little BP pistol. My max bid was $120.01 for the past 6 days. Since i was the only bidder, I was getting it for the $95 starting bid. Now that there is 5 hours left, someone knocked the bid up to $120 even and that makes me wonder, is it the seller fucking with me to get an extra $25 out of me or is that normal? Im not new to gunbroker, but i have never had this happen before.

>>34442455
Dan'l Boone or Davy Crockett coulda done it with one hand, land

>tips coonskin hat, goes home to cherokee wife

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If I'm 18 can I own a pistol caliber carbine? I live in NH if that matters.

>>34439775
Taurus is so bad at metal work having a consistently molded plastic frame is a huge improvement.

There are still enough metal parts that they will find something to fuck up, get the LCR.

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>>34439881
It would be ASS-tounding

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>>34442484
It's fine.
You could also just use an angled foregrip like a sensible human being.

>>34440840
>Arnold lacks trigger discipline

>>34442696
Yeah, but good luck buying ammo for it.

>>34442696
This >>34442976 but even in Cuckifornistan every shop was cool with it when I showed them my receipt for the rifle.

>>34442724
Why can't people read posts? I never once said I wanted to buy it.

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>>34439775
>want a 92FS Inox with a steel frame and rail that can be cocked and locked
>it exists but is a fucking Taurus
>want a blued 6" .454 casull revolver
>it exists but is a fucking Taurus and has a Hillary Hole
Why is life so cruel?

>>34437485
>I have guns with a barrel Longer than most ARs

>>34443049
>with a steel frame
Nope.

>>34439992
Stop with this meme

>>34441072
Decent, all the ones around me ( central NC) are $450+

If I have a short barreled shotgun with a pistol grip instead of a stock it's a an AOW. What if I where to use a rifled barrel instead, no smoothbore so no AOW right?

>>34439992
>DI
>AR
pick one dick breath

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>>34443077
spot the nogunz

>>34440515
I'd say it's the same ship if it still contains the one indivisible part that is truly the ship
I don't know what that would be in the context of ships but for firearms it's the receiver

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>>34443086
Not necessarily. Stupid people that don't understand guns can still buy guns.
After all, DI ARs exist.

>>34443114
>DI ARs exist
that's the whole point

>>34443076
You would have a pistol with a bore over .5" which is a destructive device.
You want a raptor grip and an OAL over 26", aka the Mossberg Shockwave.

>>34443126
Your assertation of nogunz is nonetheless invalid.

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>>34443168
nigger you cannot be this dumb
>>DI
>>AR
>pick one dick breath
this means you can either get an AR or a DI rifle, which an AR is by default

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I want to wash my M65, but I don't want to ruin the waterproofing treatment.

What's the best way to wash it? Should I use something like NikWax to preserve waterproofing? Would that ruin the feel and/or look?

Pic unrelated.

>>34443181
No, nigger, you are the one who cannot be this dumb. Read the following over and over until you comprehend it.
>Not necessarily. Stupid people that don't understand guns can still buy guns.
Read it one more time for me, accept it as a self contained and complete thought (as originally noted by the line break), then read the following.
>After all, DI ARs exist.
Now go fuck your urethra with a cactus covered in lemon juice.

>>34443168
Dickbag, an AR is a direct impingement rifle. Meaning that it shits where it says, and you're still a nogunz faggot.
No one is going to say otherwise until you prove you are, by pic and timestamp.
>fucking hell kids, get off /k/, you have to be 18 anyways

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Stupid question: Say you put iron sights on pic related, would the distance from the eye to the rear sight be a problem?

>>34443213
>implying that was even me
>implying I wasn't just ripping on DIfags
Reading comprehension sure is bad today.
>timestamp
Fuck off day/k/are, I have a job I should be doing right now and believe me I'll get in a lot more trouble for pulling out my CCW just to call you a faggot than getting caught shitposting.

>>34443214
No? Considering you would then have sights, and rifle works fine.

What's your question anon, in more detail?

>>34437318
AFG is OK, VFG is not

>>34443229
>still no pic with timestamp.
>motherfucker I just got off nightshift and should be sleeping.
Whatever, fucking wingnut

I have a dilemma. I've sighted in my new 20" ar and it shoots perfect. But I was recently in the hospital due to extreme weight loss from Ulcerative Colitis. I've lost a lot of muscle strength and my shooting has been effected because of it. I didn't get much shooting in before so I know its not just the muscle loss, but it's the main cause. Should my next purchase be replacing the handguard which gets hot as shit after 20 rounds, or more ammo for practice? The handguard would be about $30 cheaper and money is kind of an issue.

>>34443251
But $30 less ammo for practice, shoot when you can, and dry fire a bunch with snap caps for a cleaner trigger pull.
You can always take a break from shooting to let rifle cool, or wear a glove for your support hand.

>>34443251
If you got any rails on your forend, get a vertical/angled for grip.
if not, don't hold onto the forend if you can bench it.

>>34443280
Its the stock kind of forend. I've got an afg on my ak, but like I said I can't put it on the stock one. I've got tact gloves I can use but I'd rather not be forced to wear them every time.

>>34443274
Good point. I'll go with the ammo.

>>34443235
He was asking if the distance between the front and back sight had any problems.
I wouldn't think so, unless the rifle has one of the
>Barret fiddy cal spring loaded barrels

Is there a disadvantage to raised sights for a suppressor when not using a suppressor?

>>34443536
Cowitness with rmr but thats it

>>34443582
H-Huh?

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I have a big empty space between my 5.56 SCAR and my 7mm rem mag tikka.
What should I get? I really don't want to shell out for a SCAR 17.

>>34443235
>>34443400

Well to put it differently: How important is the distance from your eye to the rear sight (the one with the ghost ring or peep sight)?

I know that it's important to keep the front and rear sights as far away from each other on the gun as possible.

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I'm sure this has been discussed a trillion times here but I ignored the threads.

Should I get a concealed carry insurance/membership? And what kind should I get? I was thinking USCCA

I need some solid three dot sights for my Block 19, red dot front post with white rears, nothing else. Who makes some?
Google gives me exclusively Tritium, red dot sights, adjustable sights, and other "practical" shooting competition or mall ninja crap.

>>34444018
Damn Grandpa, shouldn't you have a 1911? Trijicon makes some steel 'night sights' without any Tritium in their Bright and Tough line. Three white dots but you can always paint the front one.

>>34439977
kek

>>34444203
You ever see how bright those things are in the dark? You can see anyone with them coming in the pitch black and if it's too dark to see your sights its too dark to see your target anyways. Some guys say it helps you pick up your sights faster for when you flick on your light but to hell with that. I'll take a weaker element of surprise over a chance of betraying it entirely.
Thanks.

>>34443229
Thanks for taking that for me. You're a fag

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A wider trigger makes it feel lighter, which has several advantages. So why doesn't a manufacturer make a trigger safety that pops out plates on its sides when pressed in, widening it on demand? This would make it less likely to snag when not in use and have a better feel when it is. It wouldn't add any cost or complexity to the gun, it just requires a change to the shape of it.

>>34443658
A 308 or 30-06 bolt action.

>>34444505
I see, that could be strange at first but really cool actually

>>34443658
>big empty space
Like what? A light 7mm rem mag will do anything a non-mag will, just more expensive. Since you have a SCAR-L you should have no problem with that.

>>34437169
How much is a Model 1897 from 1931 in Good/Very Good condition worth? Full choke, no visible rust (save for a small patch of surface rust the size of a primer), fairly nice patina.

Saw one at my LGS for $800

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>>34445362
plz response

>>34445464
Try searching around on armslist.

>>34444018
That whole "white in back, red in front" deal is poorly supported at the moment. Most people start with three white dots and recolor the front on their own.

>>34443615
Meaning an rmr, the smaller form factor for a read dot, can cowitness with the raised sights. The taller sights might also be easier to read, and there may be a cocking shelf on the rear sight.

>>34443669
It depends on the specific sight. The m16A2 style aperture is designed to be as close to your eye as you can get it (nose to charging handle), but there might be other sights that can be a little further from your face. That eye relief looks about right for an AK-47 style notch-and-post sight.

Where can I get the cheapest 10/22 stripped receiver?

Charger model is fine too. Inb4 just buy a new rifle, I know they're like $160 but it can't be a rifle.

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>>34440189
Carry it in your hand.

>>34439630
Ok, so if I have a bullpup with a second grip behind the action but it isn't the trigger grip, that's ok, because it's not a foregrip, it's a rear grip?

>>34446577
Bullpup pistol..................

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>>34443669
>I know that it's important to keep the front and rear sights as far away from each other on the gun as possible.
its not that important. a longer sight radius does allow a shooter to extract more practical accuracy from a gun but even a short sight radius is good enough for use on man sized targets
the farther it is from your eye the faster it is to use

>>34446658
>hi speed lo drag tikka bolt action sight placement

So say you were to make a mount or a rail that had like a half a degree of rotation and then attached a straight grip to that? Wouldn't it be non vertical and thus be legal

>>34437169
How clean should patches be when they come out the barrel? I sit there for hours and they keep coming out this gray colour. They squeak like hell going down the barrel if I don't use oil or solvent, but still come out this mid gray all over. Anyone know if that's fine?

Does anyone have the diagram for the german (I think) partner assisted shooting position/s where the assistant puts his ass in the air and the barrel goes between the cheeks?

>>34446767
the legislature doesn't define vertical foregrip, so its entirely up to how the ATF feels that day and whether your jurisdiction's circuit is populated by oathbreakers or americans.

It's more business than weaponry and is probably going to make me come across as a right retard, but I've been looking into large-scale arms dealing and I guess I don't understand the point of the arms dealer themselves.

>Company A wants to buy guns
>Company B has guns for sale
>Broker C needs to get involved as apparently A cannot interact with B in any way

Does A just not have an employee who can do this?
Would the dealer get a better deal for A, even taking into account broker fees?
Does the dealer take care of shipping and transport?

If the .22 Charger pistol thing can have a bipod on it, why can't you just put a bipod on a pistol AR and just put one leg down and use that as a grip?

>>34440189
>treadmill is hard on my knees
>jogging isn't
Just swim and/or bike you moran.
There is no need to sacrifice your knees for cardio, just lift.

>>34440244
I would also like to know this
>>34440895
Well I can tell you right off the top that that "jetpack" is retarded
>>34446634
Well if there's no stock plate on the bullpup would it still be a pistol?

>>34446850
Commies run governments, so having a few companies be middlemen doing import/export is more efficient than every company having to pay people in-house to do it.

>tl;dr
regulatory burden and economics

>>34437291
what about angled grips and hand stops? are those ok on pistols?

>>34446850
Legal bullshit mostly.

>>34446894
>>34446903
Thanks.

>>34443992
Someone pls respond

>>34446850
A lot of the time company B wants to deal in large volumes so if company A is small company C needs to step in, purchase guns from company B and sell them to several companies the size of company A. This is how small retail business works a fair amount of the time with distributors.

The other case is where you're dealing with import and export laws where company C is an expert in such things.

>>34446468
Buy a 10/22 in a parking lot, deface the serial number, claim you bought it like that, make a pistol 10/22.

>tl;dr
"prove otherwise faggot"

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>>34437169

What is the gun that this iraqi is using? Some czech or polish thing?

>>34447099
Looks like a vhs

>>34440885
probably arabic so you can shout slurs at towelheads

>>34440885
That's pretty much it. Everything of merit for the past 120 years has been written in at least one of those.
If you're interested in things of interest written further back you could learn french, but thats a lot of effort just to understand authentic napoleon memes.

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>>34447099
Definitely a VHS rifle.

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i wanna make stinkbombs that have fuse delays of YEARS. will i go to jail

>can have an M107A1, an M249s, and a tank if I want
>can't have a Beretta 93 Raffica nevar evar

Just shoot my dog

>>34440189
Belly band seconded, I've been using one for the past year! I run 4 miles every other morning and I've never had a problem with it.

>>34447225
probably have to be electronic

>>34437169
Ok /k/ i got money to burn and want some recommendations between some options.

1- Primary Arms scope 1-6x. I have a kinda meh red dot (surefire) but the batteries fucking suck. they arent exactly common and I have to order them online. I would like a decent scope for my rifle, cuz why not. I would be open to considering an aimpoint too.

2- there's a Ruger Security Six, 2.75" with lots of holster wear at a pawn shop near me for $375. I have a taurus revolver that i got from an uncle, and its eh ("""stainless""" finish is getting marred just from sitting in a safe). I have a .357 levergat too (Henry), and i just got an assload of .357.

3- my buddy is willing to trade my Millenium G2 +$175 for his Springfield XDS.

4- I can get a double barrel for $300, which i would (legally, after paperwork) saw down and get a pistol grip for to live out my Mad Max fantasies, because why not.

5- I think i may trade in my Taurus Millenium to take advantage of the $100 Walther rebate, which puts a brand new Walther at around $350 at my LGS.

Plz advise.

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>>34441449
when you mix and match parts it becomes a frankengun.

>>34442200
hungarian sks i believe

>>34442544
sniping, doesn't work as well with the 15 minute rule, but it's still better to bid late rather than run it up early.

>>34443992
consensus is find a good firearms attorney and put him on retainer.

>>34446468
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/663979038
i'm tired so there may be cheaper ones around, but no one's going to post one other than to prove i'm a faggot.

>>34446964
having a rifle with defaced markings is in and of itself a crime.

>>34446791
don't have that, just this

>>34446896
yes

>>34448037
hungy ak*

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>>34437169

If we had them, What would be the most Apt name for a Power Armour Operator? Pilots?

Note I'm taking about the name for the individual controlling the suit. So the suit and the operators are separate. Like how we call people who fly planes pilots. rather than Planes.

Who would the person controlling the suit be called?

>>34448233
knight? suiter? paladin? no way to know until someone fields them and common usage develops.

>>34448037
>having a rifle with defaced markings is in and of itself a crime.
False. Possession is not illegal.
The action is a crime, but short of recording yourself doing it, you're not going to get caught.

>>34448286

I could see those 3 becoming Colloquialisms, but as an Official descriptor, I doubt it.

Still, maybe some western countries may find Value in the analogies to Historical Times with Knight, or the aspect of Virtue that comes with Paladin. Probably would be pretty good for Propaganda.

>>34448233
Driver. The same as all other terrestrial vehicles.
If it transports itself via air over distance and/or at height, then it becomes piloted.
If the operator is not inside, then it is questionable as to whether it is operated, or piloted.

>>34448320
Sec. 478.34 Removed, obliterated, or altered serial number.

No person shall knowingly transport, ship, or receive in interstate
or foreign commerce any firearm which has had the importer's or
manufacturer's serial number removed, obliterated, or altered, or
possess or receive any firearm which has had the importer's or
manufacturer's serial number removed, obliterated, or altered and has,
at any time, been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign
commerce.

[T.D. ATF-313, 56 FR 32508, July 17, 1991]

>>34448233
If someone somehow made an APC big enough to hold a reasonable amount of them they could be called "Lancers" do to being "mounted"
But for infantry versions I vote for Knight
Scouts could be called Knights Errant
Spics in the unit would probably be unofficially called "Conquistadors", nigs "Zulus", us white devils "White Knights" and I can't think of one for azns

>>34448425
Just thought of "Samurai" for azns

>>34448425
of course they'd be samurai

>>34448397
"I bought it in state, and it was produced instate. Prove otherwise faggot" Still applies.
I was wrong as to the legality, but it is de facto legal.

>>34448474
it is apparently always legally assumed that you were the one that removed it, and the atf doesn't play the it was made here game.

>>34448495
"prove I didn't make it myself and then deface a part of the gun that never had a serial number"

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If you are in a standoff where the bad guy has a gun to a bystanders head, would shooting them in the head or arm really be a bad idea? Could they twitch when shot and pull the trigger? If not there then where/when should you shoot?

>>34448686

I'd like an answer to this, If you already had their gun pointing them, and they were as exposed as they are here, couldn't you just shoot them?

>>34448686
>>34448835
There's an area called the no-reflex zone in the head.

It's also possible to fuck up their gun bad enough but the no-reflex zone is an easier target.

Should I buy a vp9 or ppq?
Price is a consideration, but ultimately I want the best thing. Ultimately it's a cost versus benefit question.
Vp9 is running 4 magazine sale while Walter has a 100 back rebate. I can't decide.

>>34448320
You're a fucking idiot who would have at the very least lost a hopefully good firearm. We should have never educated you so you'd reap the consequences but then your idiocy would contribute to the assault rifle modified ghost guns statistics you fucking faggot.

>>34448474
He just proved you wrong asshole just stop.

>>34440189
>Any suggestions?

yeah, don't be a paranoid pussy

>>34448511
Putting your fingers in your ears and going LALALALALALALA doesn't hold up in court. It's prove beyond a reasonable doubt not beyond any theoretical chance of alterantive.

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is this retarded?

its suprisingly solid and in the perfect position. also its free.

I watched Ian's video recently about the PSM and how it compared to the Tokarev. The Tokarev and PSM both penetrated the vest without issue multiple times. This confuses me.

Doesn't IIIA stop 45 and 9mm? Like isn't that what it's strong enough to keep from penetrating? Yet 9mm travels just about as fast as the Tok and delivers just as much energy, and that's not considering +P and +P+ cartridges either. Yet the PSM has even worse performance than the Tok and can still defeat the armor.

So what gives here? How can these guns do this but something in 9mm can't

>>34449954
Well MacGuyver'd, anon. Actually fairly genius as long as you never want to take it off.

I'm still trying to work on my marksmanship with open sights.

After some experimentation I have found some things that need corrected to make me better.

I realized that my glasses make me unable to focus on the front sight. I'm basically blind past 10 feet without them, but my front sight is super blurry no matter how I try to focus on it. Without the glasses my front sight is crystal clear but my target at 50 yards is just a white smudge. Is there a trick to shooting with glasses or what?

The other thing I'm going to try to do is get some targets with bigger bullseyes. I think the ones I'm using are meant for rifles scoped into next week so the bullseyes are tiny and hard to see with the naked eye at >50 yards.

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>>34450016
thanks anon. I was suprised with how well it worked. in the back of my mind i know gearqueers would disapprove, but fuck em im keeping on there. it also fits its name.

bonus pic of uggo the rifle

>>34450014

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say surface area. The smaller the area you can concentrate force, the higher the likelyhood of penetration.

>Money to burn what should I get

want something in 7.62x39 because have lots of ammo but only 1 gun that shoots it atm. What are some good options? Besides akm clones

>>34450014
bullet construction and velocity mostly. standard fmj copper jacked lead doesnt penetrate vests. armor piercing 9 and 45 does exist its just rare.

>>34450014
slavic magic

>>34441112
>Mosin
>ubiquity of ammo
nigger do you even

The correct answer, and ONLY correct answer for someone in the US, would be a 5.56 AR15

>>34449954
As long as you don't magdump frequently it should be fine. Heat radiating from the barrel will cause the zip ties to slowly break down over time until they eventually will fall off

>>34443049
I have a taurus PT92
It isn't a super great gun and only jams when it is totally dry, feeds hollowpoints well
results may vary lol, I got it a long time ago so I'm sure Taurus is a different company now.

How do I know if I'm limpwristing? If I hold a pistol absurdly tight, my arm will start to shake like I have Parkinson's. If I try and fight the recoil, I'm supposedly going to anticipate the shot/ jerk the trigger. Apparently the shot is supposed to "surprise" you. It all seems counter-intuitive, so how EXACTLY are you supposed to hold a pistol?

>>34450587
Arms straight if isosceles stance or bent appropriately if Weaver. Hold the gun as tight as you can without shaking. Keep consistent pressure on the gun with your fingers and pull the trigger straight back with the pad of your trigger finger. Don't flinch. The gun shouldn't move at all until the recoil naturally carries it upwards.

>>34450587
web of your thumb and index finger (trigger hand) should be right up snug on the gun under the slide. Index finger straight along the slide when not on target ready to fire, other fingers curled around the grip. Thumb high just beneath the slide opposite to index finger.


With your non-trigger (support) hand:
Into the negative space created between your trigger-hand thumb and middle, ring, and pinkie fingers on the pistol grip, roll the meaty part of your lower thumb and palm, bringing the support thumb up snug right under trigger thumb and forward along the frame of the gun right under (but not touching) the slide. Curl your support hand fingers around the trigger and fingers.

The grip you apply firm, positive strength with (not absolute crushing force) is the SUPPORT hand. Your trigger hand needs to be relaxed (not weak) so that you can manipulate the trigger smoothly.

I'd try taking a picture of this, but I don't have three arms.

>>34450643
>around the trigger and fingers.
*around the trigger-hand fingers

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>>34450643
>>34450651

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>>34450674
And just in case you're shooting a revolver, curl your thumbs down away from the cylinder gap so you don't get burned. Other principles apply.

Does anyone know if the slide tube from an old 16 gauge Ithaca 37 will fit a vintage 12 gauge featherlight? Are there any 16 gauge 37 owners who could measure its diameter?

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>>34450152
Semi-auto RPD

>>34437169
Should I get into the new colt snake gun?

Never had a revolver, but always loved the idea of a colt python.

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is pic related a good starter rifle for a nogun like me?

>>34451292
>AK
>308
>starter
Fuck. 10/22.

>>34451292
Get an AR, they are pretty retard proof.

>>34451368
im a europoor AR are fcking expensive here

>>34451327
care to explain ?

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>>34451327
>>34451368
alternative is this or a demilitarized ak 47

>>34451378
Which country?

>>34450069
Your doctor prescribed you the wrong strength. Doctors typically give too strong a prescription and don't go off of the least strength needed.

>>34451603
Jesus Christ, really?
What the fuck can I do about that then? My insurance only covers one eye exam a year and I just got the new glasses in May.

>>34451740
thanks Obama

>>34437169
Would there be any meaningful advantage or disadvantage to loading defensive magazines with alternating bullet types, for example, a 30rd AR mag with alternating HP/Ball/LAP? Would the variety ensuring that at least some rounds would be effective on any target be worth the variable POI?

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>>34450014
>>34450106
This is the correct answer. .17 HMR, the dinkiest of dinky rounds, will slip right through IIIA armour because it's so comparatively thin and heavy.

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Is there a real disadvantage to 10 round mags in hunting rifles? They hardly seem to get in the way any more than 5 rounders.

>>34452074
Your shots would have inconsistent results. Not necessarily poor, but not reliably the same. Personally I'd avoid this. I wouldn't even do it with a shotgun either for the same reasons. Under a stressful situation it's really unlikely you'll be able to remember which load is in the pipe.

>>34452074
>>34452108
it may also cause issues feeding.

>>34452105
just legal disadvantages.

>>34452105
A few ounces of weight, that's about it. As far as I'm concerned, I value light guns more than mag capacity within reason. I'd probably use the 5rd unless the 10rd mag makes the gun rest on my knee from a sitting position in a way where it's easier to line up a shot or something. That's often the case.
Otherwise, just depends on whether you have some odd hunting restriction on mag capacity so you can't use them.

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>>34451292
>banned from import and bankrupt

>>34444505
That would probably be difficult to machine/produce/assemble as it sounds rather complicated, but it's a cool idea.

>>34452147
not in my country

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>>34452179
l-land of the free ;_;

>>34452179
Molot isn't going to get bailed out again now that their number one market is gone. As always, Europe's opinion doesn't matter.

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>>34452197
>>34452202
but there are still plenty here and very cheap

So, I'm moving to Illinois for work. What's up with the laws concerning carrying a knife or an extendable baton? The language makes it sound legal as long as I don't have intent to use unlawfully.
Anybody able to clarify?

So the Sig I was saving up for has been discontinued. I am a dirty no guns, and am looking for suggestions of a budget friendly handgun that will take care of me as long as I take care of it. The kind that my kids can use well into their lives.

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>>34452383
Glock 19. They way their cult is replacement parts will be available until the end of society as we know it. I know that's not what you meant but good steel and well machined, protected parts cannot be budget friendly. It just doesn't work like that.

If I have a Mossberg 590A1 fully loaded (including the chamber) with buckshot but need to fire a slug, how do I go about doing that? What is the proper term for this action?

>>34440840
No unless you have open powder like a muzzleloader. Don't ash in the magazine.

>>34447700
anyone?

>>34452421
Why the 19 over the 17? Ive been looking at them and am willing to save up more but until I go to a range and try them out I want to have a solid list of choices.

>>34452636
How did you like your Taurus millenium? Im trying to pop my cherry after getting my carry license but its a bit daunting with how many options there are.

>>34439775
Gases escaping cylinder gap are slowly cutting frame if it's not made out of proper material (you can see this in old .357 k-frames that were shot too much with full power magnums).

Weight balance.

>>34452421
lol

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>>34452677
The Polymer Protector seems to have steel plates where that would be a problem, shown more clearly here.

>>34452697
So it's probably down to weight distribution only.

>>34452500
It's called a shell changeover or sometimes a slug changeover. Obviously it's not exclusive to slugs so the former is better. The Costa method (aka Magpul method as it is taught in all their tactical pump shotgun courses) is to eject your chambered shell, surf out (just Google it) the next shell, and then port load your slug. The Winchester method (aka Marine method as it was once taught to Marine Raiders) is to pull the pump back a little bit, block the mag tube with your thumb until you see the lifter come up, then bring the pump all the way back and port load your slug.
The Costa method is easier and less likely to cause a malfunction if done incorrectly, but you lose two shells instead of just one. I recommend picking one and sticking with it, and to not attempt either in a life or bear food situation without a lot of practice. Slugs beat buckshot but buckshot beats a club.

>>34452661
Honestly isnt bad. i absolutely love the ergos on it. As much as people hate thumb safeties, it's very responsive and doesnt take much effort to turn off, but takes more effort to turn on. I like thumb safeties on a carry (personal preference, sue me), and the ergos are why i picked it up desu, the controls are super accessible and stipling is pretty decent at the grip.

Accuracy is 3/5, it's no target shooter but can keep rounds in a pie pan at 10 paces all day. i'm not particularly good with pistols, but im doing better and i suspect the gun has more accuracy for me to discover. I will say you need to learn the reset on the trigger and learn it well, but the trigger itself isnt terrible. average at best.

Interior finish isnt great. it isnt gouged or damage, but the finish is wearing. the plate that the firing pin pokes through is already marred, and started to show after only 300 rounds or so. No clue if that affects reliability.

Very compact and light. People talk about how glocks are the best weight/capacity but this is honestly around that same ratio. it is negligibly wider than the pt709, which is just the millenium in single stack for all purposes.

I will say to beware Taurus QC. ive gotten lucky so far, and I do like it.

Quality 2.5/5- interior already getting marks and shit. exterior is actually pretty decent though, but the poly frame isnt super tough (tougher than your fingernail though).

Reliability 4/5, had an early issue with JHPs, but that went away. Definite break-in period.

It's nice enough i would carry it, but i maintain no illusions about them being top quality. your experience may differ.

>>34451385
If you've NEVER shot a gun before, .308 is, uh, quite a mouthful. It's loud, it's big, and if you do it slightly wrong (and considering you're a beginner, chances are that you will make mistakes) it WILL bruise you.

Nothing wrong with an AK as first gun per se - after all it works for hundreds of thousands of (sand)people as first and probably only gun - although personally I would have agreed with the other anon that a .22 rifle or some sort of handgun (9mm or less) would be best to at first get a feel about how to handle firearms in general.

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>>34448108
Thanks homes

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Is this 10/22 stock legal in California?
Everything online says yeah, but all the posts are 5 years ago.

>>34453586
Rimfires can't be 'salt weapons.

>>34453615
I did more research, and it seems the law sb880 is still specific to centerfires with a detachable magazine.

Interestingly, if I installed a maglock in An AR, I can build a proper one.
I almost want to build one like that with a fake 30rnd magazine and all the scary black stuff and use it to piss off liberals

>>34453711
Do it. Get a 16" barrel and put a fake can on it part way wrapped around the barrel so it looks huge on a SBR. Pinned folding stock. Pinned drum mag. Go hard.

>>34453747
I don't think I can even own a drum mag even if it's been modified to only hold 10 rounds.

what's the best way to get a job that requires carrying a sidearm, without much risk of getting shot in the face?

>>34454364
A concealed carry permit and a job that doesn't prohibit carrying.

From on of the older threads
Got an old CETME Sporter that's started to jam on me the last few times I've fired it. Had a friend recommend swapping the old mags out for some new Mapgul ones. However, when I checked the their site, it stated they weren't compatible with H&K G3 style rifles. Are there any alternative magazines I could grab for this thing?

>>34454636
i does the same thing with all of your cetme mags? how many? g3 mags usually fit with a little filing and would be a cheap test.

>>34454630
if i lived in a free state...

>>34448037
What if you attach a flashlight with a custom fixture that makes it point straight down? That's not technically a grip, it's a flashlight.

>>34454364
Buddy of mine is security at a power plant and it lets him carry. Comfy job from what he tells me.

>>34454636
It might not be the magazines, m8

Try recording slo-mo footage of your gun, and watch what is jamming. I thought it was the magazines at first, but really it was my gas system that was malfunctioning

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>>34454707
ultimately what are you trying to accomplish?

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>>34437169
I'm going to buy a pistol which will essentially be an all-purpose weapon: home defense as well as fun-shooter.

However, it's hard to settle on any gun as a 1-and-done purchase. I'm looking for a pistol that will be my only gun for about a decade. My only requirements are that it needs to have stopping power, it needs to be fun to shoot, and it needs to be expertly crafed and not a cheapo gun, jams rarely. As you can see I have many options with such a small list of requirements.

I have considered some guns such as the Springfield XD(M) .40 cal, but not settled on any 1 in particular. Please help operators.

what's the deal with solvent traps? are they illegal?

>>34448233
They would simply be described as Heavily Armored Units (HAU) or something similar if you just mean military lingo.

>>34454831
what guns have you tried? rent at least the ones on your short list if you're serious about this being the only gun you're going to buy for ten years.

>>34454707
I feel like at this point you're just looking for creative ways to get butt fucked by the capriciousness of the AF.

>>34454759
Tactical sneaking. Spotting beartraps and twiggs.

>>34454851
if you use it as it's ostensibly meant to be used, by threading on a filter and swabbing out your barrel it's legal. if you poke or shoot a hole through the filter you have illegally constructed a suppressor.

>>34454853
I have extensive history with guns, being raised in an American family in a rural area, and my father has just about every gun you can imagine, including rare ones. I am comfortable with almost all ammunition and mechanics, what have you. I don't really need to rent guns to know what they feel like. 9mm is a pretty good round but I have my doubts about it as an ultimate multi-purpose self defense solution. I think something with a barely higher grain count would be good.

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>>34454831
>only gun
glock 19. Or if you want to be less gay, CZ-P10c

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>>34454866
then you would be better served attaching to the bottom of your magazine, this is of course conditional on your already having a flashlight in your off hand

it's also not possible to sneak with a flashlight, get some nvgs.

>>34447165
Is that a FAMAS?

>>34454927
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7866

in practice there isn't much difference, this makes for an interesting read. if you're just asking about caliber /k/ will tell you to get a 10mm.

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>>34449896
>It's prove beyond a reasonable doubt not beyond any theoretical chance of alterantive.
tfw you see a statist juror...
Freedom dies with the innocent.

>>34454831
ar pistol.

>>34443152
It still has the sporting exemption, otherwise slug guns would be DDs. Smooth bore pistol is an aow, but a smooth bore is not required to meet the aow definition

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Anyone here an SA fag that know's any good places to practice drills and such in/around the city? I'm tired of all these ranges with their 2-5 second shot rules and nardis only has one actual competition a month.

>>34447700
Get the Walther or the XDS

>>34440543
My understanding is that the NFA regulates silencers, you may not create one even in integrally suppressed form regardless of whether or not it's attached to firearm or not, as is the case with a black powder gun. Not legal, need the paperwork since the silencer is verboten without it.

>>34437169

It's a vertical grip on a pistol

It's an AOW.

>>34455996
>pistol
>sporting exemption
Funny goy. If it has a rifled barrel under 18 inches without a SBS stamp and a pistol grip it's no longer a shotgun which means you're shit out of luck for sporting purposes.

What's a proper gun cleaning schedule? Should you tear it down and scrub out the bore every time you shoot or let it go until it gets dirty enough to cause issue?

Can you use a MANPADs against ground targets?

>>34460336
Depends on the use. If you use it 2-3x a month, once a month is probably fine.

0-1x a month? every time or every other time will be ok too.

Realistically any decent quality gun doesnt need cleaned too much.

>>34460462
I shoot 5-6 times a month and probably run 1,200 rounds through each of my .22s, 300-500-ish rounds through my full-size 9mm pistol and my AR, and 100-300 rounds through my babby-size carry 9mm.

I've been shooting like that for months and haven't had a single jam or any loss of accuracy in any of my guns, so I was just wondering.

>>34460626
then you are probably fine. i clean a lot because i enjoy it and live in a very humid area, not because i realistically NEED to.

For me its rust prevention, not mechanical necessity.

>>34460455
Depends. Certain Raytheon Stinger variants allow it.

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>Dude get a Glock they have the best aftermarket.
>every lands and grooves G19 barrel I find is discountinued
H-Help.

What finishes will make a steel slide and an aluminium frame look the same?

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What is a good price for a semi auto PPSH-41 with a 16 inch barrel? It looks like pic related and comes with 1 drum and 1 stick mag.