"scan and assess" after shooting

>>34431151
Any "situation" where you would be doing a scan and assess, you aren't going to reholster your weapon after doing a quick looky loo over your shoulder

I think there would be value in implementing things like situational awareness into actual training, and I imagine certain legitimate academies do have a curriculum on this, but this idea of drawing your weapon, blasting two guys, doing a quick 2 second visual sweep and calling an "all clear" is kind of dumb, since anyone who would be responding to your gun fire might not yet have even arrived

I dare anybody to post even one second with of video of a defensive shooting in which they either did turn their head that retardedly hard, or was harmed by someone because they forgot how to use their eyes and adjust their vision with their entire body.

The only people who even consider it are stolen valor fags who want to justify their $1000+ "course" because they're better for turning their head to see who around them can see how cool they feel and neckbeard noguns who eat in their rooms and spend all their time debating in YouTube comments that they run condor gear and it works just fine and you don't need to wait many christmases to get a full kit

>>34431181
This. This faggy sweep for 2 seconds before re-holstering is doing nothing for your habits to help in a real situation. More than likely, if you haven't been ventilated at this point by another threat, they are playing tactically smart, and are shifting positions and will light you up later.

>>34431181
It's just a drill to get you to not stare at the body of the guy you just shot to the exclusion of your surroundings. The thing is it's been taken as doctrine that you have to do it always and has been turned into shaking your head side to side really quickly without actually looking around yourself before re-holstering.

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once you shoot your threat you should keep your fucking gun on the threat until it stops being a threat

Protip, these guys are literally training themselves to look around without actually looking at anything

>>34431151
You look around while reloading, in a real life situation always mag dump into the threat always, then look around for additional threats while reloading.

>>34431151
Thank you OP, the scan and assess bullshit is some of the worst cancer to affect shooting I have ever seen, everyone thinks they're a navy seal. I fucking hate how retarded these people look where they stare around like a bunch of Down's syndrome idiots

>>34431210
This, it just becomes muscle memory and if you put something to their side they wouldn't even notice it...

>>34431151
You're training for the event where, you do shoot someone, to get your mind off the target and ensure nobody else is coming to harm you. It's easy to get tunnel vision in a shooting. Doing this will ensure muscle memory, so you don't panic or freeze up. You'll fall back on training.

Other than that, I do it to break my line of sight from the target, practicing getting a proper sight alignment.

if you're worried about looking dumb, you should never go outside, cause chances are somebody is gonna make fun of you behind your back regardless.

>>34431151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzwVXA9J620

>>34431187
>eat in their rooms
jesus i just like to watch movies and stuff while i eat

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>>34431284
>shoot someone
>he must be kill
>get my mind off target and scan like anon says
>target gets back up and kills me with .22lr

wut now anon my tunnel vision wouldve saved me

>>34431315
>Five times in the chest with .357 revolver
How

>>34431315

9mm and .357 fags. When will they learn?

The only thing that would have saved his life was some STOPPIN POWAH

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what do you guys think of operating with one of these bad boys?

>>34431151
I agree with Pat Mac. If your gun isn't swinging with your head you aren't scanning, you're gawking. If you're in a situation where swinging your gun around is something you believe you can't do, holster your weapon immediately because you're probably about to get justified forced. Probably the most triggering thing Nutnfancy does out of all his autistic shit is the tactitism twofer of double-tapping and pulling his pistol in close followed by a head-swivel.

>>34431380

there's no real reason for you to be dead just because you got shot five times with a .357. unless it hits your heart, spine, or brain, you are perfectly capable of continuing to live for quite some time.

>>34431151
>am i the only one who doesn't do the turning head motion after shooting because it looks stupid
No, the only people who actually do this scan and assess bullshit are youtube faggots who practice their CC draw from a non-retention, unconcealed holster with a full sized handgun they don't even EDC with.

>>34431380
presumably the shots didn't hit anything vital

ex-Delta dude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzwVXA9J620

>>34431210
>>34431277
If during training, no other possible target is set-up at random occurences, then it's indeed a bit useless...
>turn your head but don't worry, there'll never be anything worth not turning to the other side

>>34431290
>>34431796
>1 shot, 2 sight pictures, 2 shots, 3 sight pictures, etc.
seems obvious. I mean hell isn't this like basic stuff that even fudds teach about hunting? My dad taught me to shoot and he sure didn't ever mention putting my gun away after the first shot, and that fucker went through Vietnam.

>>34431151
I will play the devil's advocate but scanning isn't dumb. It's just that most people do it wrong. The concept isn't to shoot and immediately look left and right. You shoot until the target is down, you analyze, you shoot and analyze again if necessary. Then when the target is down and doesn't pose a threat, you scan and do whatever you have to do (check if you're wounded, call the cops, reload, etc.).

>>34431194
How do you know there's not more than one threat? There was a walmart shooting and once the primary shooter was down, his wife acted like a normal shopper and killed the concealed carrier

>>34431151
There's a difference between muh tactical hair flip and slowly looking around to see if anybody is hurt or if the goon had buddies.

>>34432643
>not playing the doubles advocate for intensive purposes in this doggie dig world
ya dun goofed

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>>34433110

>>34431290
That's the twat that said we need UBCs isn't he?

When you build muscle memory to immediately swivel your head around after shooting... you're going to do exactly that. The point is to scan after a threat has been neutralized but you have no guarantee that it will be two seconds after you pull the trigger, making the whole thing demonstrably more dangerous than not.

>>34431151
No I think it's gay and I think less of people at the range who do it

Except when Polenar Tactical does it, then it's really funny

>>34433171
I think it was just waiting periods.
But being wrong about some things don't mean you can't be right about others.

>>34431315
how unlucky. damn.

>>34431151
it's called "range theatrics"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzwVXA9J620

>>34433110
>>34433523
geez guys you posted the wrong video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzwVXA9J620

>>34433542
Am I gay for thinking that Mac's eyes go a long way to making him look like a scary fucker

Conceal carry gun fights are a real good way to get killed by the police

>>34431151
It's important for 3 reasons.

1, actually looking for additional threats. People rarely attack if they don't have an advantage, and that includes having friends.
2, you reduce the tunnel vision which happens when you get a body alarm response and the cocktail of stress hormones is released into your system. Also applies to hearing.
3, you calm yourself down. After shooting someone, you will likely be pretty irrational, and need to get your shit together so that you can do the best thing. What this means depends on the situation.

It's a fact that you fight like you train, and if you have a muscle memory of turning your head, you're much more likely to do it under stress. Thing is, you have to do it so that it's effective (not just shaking wildly which seems to be the cool thing to do), and in a way that doesn't take all attention away from the initial threat. The way I do it is to retain sight picture for a few seconds, then bring the gun in (so as not to sweep everyone and make it easier to retain if someone were to be in grabbing distance), I scan left all the way, bring my attention back to the primary threat, then scan right again. Then I look at myself for hits, then I hopefully move to a safer location while reholstering and keeping an eye on surroundings.

Also, if you have friends with you, it's a good idea to also look at how they're doing.

>>34433542
He talks like a guy who's so experienced with shooting people that he thinks that looking around is overrated, but normal people would get such a massive tunnel vision that they absolutely have to move their head to see anything.

>>34431151
I don't do it either, sometimes out of 3-gun match after firing my last shot I'll take a quick look to make sure I didn't forget anything, and because I fired my last shot the timer stops so I don't waste any time doing it other than that I don't ever do it

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>>34431151
>"scan and assess"
>Costa "Coastguard" Chris
>Shoots
>drops on ground, left shoulder on the ground
>shoots
>finished shooting
>scans and assessss
>looks left and right like when standing
meaning he assesses the ground to his left and the sky to his right
>he actually teaches this shit
>doesn't realize he'd have to assess "up and down" in this position
>nobody seems to notice the idiocy of this either
>HE FUCKING TURNS HIS HEAD INTO THE DIRT FOR A SECOND TO STARE AT THE GRASS!

but hey tactitards, just follow your gurus...

>>34433630
Pat Mac is former Delta. he knows wtf he's talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnSPtQ9xD10

>>34433654
Exactly my point.

>>34433654
>disapproves of theatrics
>does a silly jumping knee for show
What a clown.

>>34433712
pat mac? a clown? never.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-_9OIiQOJg

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I run this drill regularly, but there's a simple truth in this thread. The Tactical community really pushes this on shooters who don't understand the concept or don't care.

The thing is to be deliberate with the scan. Everyone wants to go fast to finish their shooting sequence under the buzzer. I could give two shits on a T-Stop.

The only way to properly drill this is to have a really good shooting area (formal ranges suck dick forever) and actually shoot in a 360 degree environment (which is why I love shoothouses).

But just simple drill modifications like having to make a conscious note of something on either or both sides.

Also, I dislike how scan is always horizontal, never vertical. Just general awareness.


> I need to do a lot more work on transitioning to cover and firing on the move.
> New study came out stating that to many shootings involving "trained" persons were injured because they stayed planted. And I blame the CCW EXPERT TRAININERS for that.

>>34433647
oh god link when he does that

>>34431580

Just like the .22 was pure luck to enter a vital zone like that.

Life is hell

>>34433902
>oh god link when he does that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zc9h1r6_Uk&t=1m5s

also, dat spastic leg scissoring to get up. lol. these people have never had a proper physicultural upbringing.

>>34432665
Story? sound fucked up

>>34431151
Have you ever been punched in the nose or be intimidated before?

Tunnel vision is a thing.

Also I have one eye. I do the "scan and assess" every time I walk into a room to make sure I don't trip over things.

However for you two eyed folks I can deem it probably advantageous to not only look but also listen for victims, police or orders from your NCO, not just simply being on the hunt for more targets.

>>34433902
>>34433980
you probably thought I was lying right?

>>34434039
Tunnel hearing is also a thing. Besides, if you'd just shot someone chances are your ears are ringing especially if it happened indoors.

>>34434077
notice me SENPAI!

>>34431151
It's not even training you to scan, it's training you to wave your head around like a bellend.

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>>34431151
So people that turn their head trigger you?
Do you think it is racist?
Have you voted for Bernie?
Does the patriarchy oppress you?

>>34435840
My God this is an awful comment

>>34431315
what benefit do you have of killing a cop after you're already incapacitated

>>34435840
Weak bait

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>>34431151
i always look around constantly and try time to how long i should look again if the shortest distance away gives me (x) time before something can come out, and strike before i look again. I do it without thinking. I'm guessing it has to do more with driving in NYC metro area traffic. Any how the look left and right annoys me because I already do it my own way, and its way more better than the head swivel.

>>34431284
Your firearm should follow your gaze. It is useless to look around for another threat and be totally unprepared to immediately engage it.

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>>34435893
>>34436007
What is your MAJOR MALFUNCTION?
Answer my god damn questions you fucking faggot or I will kick your ass so hard you will be crapping toe nails for Christmas.

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>>34436112

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>>34436139
assume the position

>>34431187
I was issued a no frills minimalist Condor plate carrier by the Marines. No complaints and it survived 2 combat deployments.

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>>34436182
no pls here is footage proofs that i can scan and appraise just like u

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>>34436259
I'm just curious why you are so triggered. If you don't like don't do it. If it makes you laugh, enjoy the moment of lifted moral.
BTW I only search and asses this image board, like the rest of you no guns.

>>34431942
It's almost like shooting skills involve doing a few simple things really well under stress, and the bulk of the 'tactical training' industry is just daycare for mall ninjas.

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>>34436326
well i'm curious why u are so triggered over ppl shitting on your mall ninja habits

if u dont like it then go back to >>>/lgbt/, u no brainz faggot

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>>34436399

whats the point of practicing the scan if you're not practicing identifying and engaging a new threat discovered by scanning

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>>34436430

>>You and your buds get in a gun battle over some canned beans and potted meats
>>Everyone took cover and returned fire...cept ...JAMES
>> All of your buddies are reloading
>> JAMES is still standing there present his pistol in true operator fashion
>>Hes tucking that pistol and looking around...lol...scanning
>>Everyone wonders what the living fuck he is doing.
>>Its ok he took a TRAINING COURSE...hes Pro and he knows it.
>>You and your buddies bury his body 3 hours later

JAMES should have been smart and TAKEN COVER.

>>34431380
It was a duty gun, which means he was probably issued and only authorized to use .38 Special in it.

>>34431151
IN THEORY its good training for basic situational awareness. Just because you downed one baddie doesn't mean that there might be another in the same room, coming down a hallway, etc.

IN PRACTICE its fucking retarded because 99% of the time its done where it has no practical training value. Its always done at a range where all the guy can see to his left and right are the other mall ninjas doing their best prairie dog impersonations. They're not getting anything out of the training because there's nothing down range to apply it too. What should happen is that its one shooter in a killhouse with multiple targets so that he has to actually scan the room for additional threats.

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>>34431210
>>34431277
>>34431939
reminded me of this
courtesy of /r6g/

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>>34436399
Hey little buddy your estrogen levels are through the roof.
Must be hard if it is "that" time of the month.

>>34436612
the chinese really need to lay off surgery, bitch's face looks more plastic than flesh.

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>>34436612
>this is all the mall ninja comes up with after careful thought in mommy's basement

it probably sounded better in your head but u can stay triggered all u want

>>34436702
i'd still put my dick in it

>>34431516
The ultimate tactical gear.

>>34436702
It's shopped to shit. Chinks always get airbrushed into oblivion in modeling photos. Not that Western models are much better, mind you.

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>>34436845
>>34431516
Get on my level, fucking casuls.

>>34436612
is that just terrible airbrushing or does her face really look like plastic?

>>34436431
Yeah. Scanning a static range is pointless. Force on force is the way to go.

>>34435956
His mama didn't raise no quitters.

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>>34436728

Guys who are posting actual advice, thanks

>>34436228
>in the Marines
uhhhh no fucking Marine ever has referred to their Marine Corps as 'the Marines" ever
fake and gay kill yourself

>>34436702
>>34437029
pretty sure it's called "gausian blur" and it's a function in photoshop

>>34431151

honestly i think its more important to stay focused on the threat until youre sure he cant pull a trigger anymore, then take a breath and look around as you reholster and call the police

>>34431151

>why don't i just turn in a 360" circle

because they dont let you do that at the range, and the range is the only action these clowns ever see

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I scan asses all the time my dude

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>>34437544
I scan asses all the time my dude

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>>34437459
>getting so ass mad that you use your folder of stale memes to defend your the honor of your coastie boyfriend
>"bu-bu-bu-buh-buh u the gay one!!#@!!!"

keep the salt coming.

>>34437519
The marines thier you fucking sperg.

>>34437569
>he doesn't make sure the dirt directly in front of his face is clear after he shoots

what are you some kind of civilian?

>>34431187
>eat in their rooms

This is excellent and I will be using it in the future. Thank you.

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>>34435893
He probably thought he was going to die. Probably would have been best if he did desu.

>>34437569
Dumb basttard got killed by the guy on his right because he didn't scan there after standing.

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>>34433980
>>34437569

>>34431521
Agreed. I've played paintball for about 30 years, and one of the real lessons is "weapon points where eyes look always".

Again we see trainers struggling to teach marginal stuff to be different. My instructor would have us doing three days of one shot draw and fires until it was well past muscle memory.

This just in: some whistle-dick instructor doesn't want you to use the slide stop during a reload, because,,,uh, "you'll never know when you might have to use someone else's gun or something"

>>34440707
It's no secret more than half of the trainers out there are guys on /k/ who go to the gym several times a week and are able to swindle rubes into believing they're hardcore secret operators. Sometimes they're cops looking for more income but don't realize teaching something is a completely different skillset than doing something. They may not realize they're training people wrong, they're just thinking of shit that sounds good and throwing it out there. That's why Pat Mac is so respected, he's both a retired operator and a natural teacher.

>>34436612
I fucking hate her face.

>>34431151
It's called "Range Theatrics" and its useless.

>>34436399
I would be so happy if Costa was one day killed in a self defense scenario

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>>34433980
>Muzzle straight into the dirt
>Looks at ground then sky
>Matrix twirly legs to get up

Nigga WHAT?!

>>34433654
>actually holsters the gun like a normal person

why is this so satisfying?

>>34441035
Pat Mac is just super satisfying to watch in motion, sexually and platonically. Everything is so well practiced that there's no flourish or hesitation, he's like watching a machine in motion.

>>34437557

why is this legal again?

>>34435956
Apparently not that incapacitated. Dead cops can't testify.

>>34433980
Holy shit he does it twice in a row. This is exactly what I meant here >>34431193

>>34435956
I'd put money on the murderer being a black guy. In which case he did it just because. He probably wouldn't be able to tell you what his reasoning was.

>>34431151

Who the fuck puts their gun away?

>>34441069
Meh, I vastly prefer Frank Proctor.
>>34440707
That's bullshit. If you're looking through the sight, you're 1) losing a lot of peripheral vision and 2) are more likely to miss if you have to shoot while moving the gun.

Granted, 2) mostly applies to sport shooting, but it could happen in a self-defense scenario too. Point is, there's no benefit to pointing the gun arond, so why would you? If you correctly identify your targets, then you'll have enough time to bring up the gun if you see a threat.

>>34441035
Because seeing people who actually know what the fuck they're doing is so uncommon these days that it's actually refreshing to see it.

>>34434002
he didnt cover his ASP

>>34434234
tunnel vision is a thing because the optic nerves from the outer halves of your retinas cross over in the middle of your brain at the optic chiasm, and this area becomes occluded when blood pressure rises. there is no anatomical mechanism for "tunnel hearing," senpai. thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard desu

>>34434002

heres the vid.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CQOHBSuY7TM

>>34437569
That's stupid as fuck, the man in video would die in a shootout because he keeps shaking his head

>>34436259
what an amateur, that tactical pirouette was utterly devoid of grace.

>>34437544
Brap Brap Brap

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>>34435893
>Comment

>>34441510
>That's bullshit. If you're looking through the sight, you're 1) losing a lot of peripheral vision and 2) are more likely to miss if you have to shoot while moving the gun.
It's not complete bullshit, it dates back to at least Vietnam. "Rifle points where your eyes look" was a commonly accepted practice among units that did a lot of reconnaissance patrols like MACV-SOG. You didn't have to look down the sights all the time, just that you kept the muzzle pointed forward and at the ready, and if you saw something suspicious you tracked it with your muzzle. Obviously this wasn't workable in an urban CQB context hence more recent methods of carry like the low ready and the high ready.

>>34433980
>stand by-
>SHES GOT A GUN
>instantly shoot
that is called murder anon... You just shot someone else with a defensive pistol.

Coastie is the definition of tryhard mallninja.

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>>34437569
little buddy, you couldn't be further from the truth. I haven't been to a shooting range since I left the Army 7 years ago. So if someone shakes their head or not, I couldn't care less.
I just enjoy to see the american levels of stupidity on this board.
Your triggering is on par with Minecraft kids getting grieved on youtube.

>>34442938
Not that anon but I think you need to take a long look in the mirror if that's what you're getting from these posts.

>>34442723
I know it might have been common practice at some point, but what I'm interested in what benefit there is in continuing the practice. Nobody has yet managed to explain exactly why you should scan with your weapon, which includes pat mac. Personally, I'd rather keep the weapon close to my body where I have the most control over it, and where I appear least threatening to other armed individuals.

If there are known threats like in one of thr pat mac videos above (the one where he jump knees a dummy), it makes sense, but he only scanned about 90 degrees between the steel target and the dummy. Pointing the gun around you for the whole 360 seems just stupid to me.

This might all be purely academic, since you're probably better off running off somewhere else (in which case you'd also keep the gun close for better mobility) than standing and scanning, but let's say quick vacation is not possible (environment, family&friends around etc)

>>34431151
this guy is almost as bad as Yaeger or Snickers. Taking your eyes off the thing you just shot at is asking to get blindsided and you should have enough awareness to know if something was near you before you even started shooting. If there was a second threat it probably ran the second you started shooting target 1, but you're not going to hit it if your entire body and pistol is still turned in the opposite direction anyway. The people that pull their pistol off target and hold it to their chest are just as stupid and usually do the same head snap bullshit. This guy isn't smart enough to actually have started it but I wish he'd stop.

>>34441979
It's a psychological phenomenon, you're so focused in the threat that it becomes hard to process anything else.

>>34443519
>Taking your eyes off the thing you just shot at is asking to get blindsided
Not taking the eyes off the threat is asking to be blindsided by someone else. Just don't forget about the primary target.
>you should have enough awareness to know if something was near you before you even started shooting
Spoken like someone who has never had a body alarm response and doesn't know what tunnel vision means. Or someone who's so used to being in combat that he forgot it's a thing.
>If there was a second threat it probably ran the second you started shooting target 1
You already were fucked by Murphy by having to draw your firearm in the first place. When shit's in the fans, why you'd work according the best scenario is beyond me.
>but you're not going to hit it if your entire body and pistol is still turned in the opposite direction anyway
Correctly PIDing a threat takes longer than pointing the weapon. Also, keeping it close is a measure of weapon retention; if the gun is extended all the way, it's easy to grab. May not be the most applicable thing out there, but there it is. And I've seen junkies do some really stupid shit in my days, so anything is possible really.

>work nights at gas station
>scan and assess all night
>drive home
>scan and assess
>go to store
>scan and assess
>sit at computer
>scan and assess
>get promotion
>doing paper work locked in office
>scan and assess
All I do is scan and assess. I need help.

>>34441099
scanning assess?

What makes me laugh is that they turn their head but dont even take their weapon with them. Whats gonna happen if you spot a target and your pistol is facing the wrong fucking direction?
>M
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>>34431151
>am i the only one who doesn't do the turning head motion after shooting because it looks stupid

Well, that, and also my neck is a solid column of bone. If I want to scan, I pivot at the hips and the gun moves with me. Which is probably a better way of doing things anyway.

>>34442938
>So if someone shakes their head or not, I couldn't care less.

then go away, the rest of us are noting how stupid it is for training

if you disagree, lets hear why beyond your pathetic passive aggressive responses

>LOL SO TRIGGERED
>stop behaving like dumb kids, anons

>>34431187
>eat in their rooms
You know too much.

>>34443736
You turn and shoot, most likely. There's another point to doing a scan which is to calm yourself down after having shot someone, so just moving your head is a beneficial thing to do.

>>34443852
>scan-and-assessing is stimming for all the undiagnosed autists in the mallninja crowd
loving every laugh

>>34443852
No. No, bad autist. Your weapom follows your head and your head follows your eyes. If you look to your left and see a target engaging you and you have to swing your weapon around to match where you're looking youve already lost. If you are looking left, so is the barrel of your weapon

>>34443949
>If you look to your left and see a target engaging you and you have to swing your weapon around to match where you're looking youve already lost.
Everything is compromise. Looking around with just head movement is much faster.

Consider following: threat comes from left but you started accessing "right-left" order. Swinging gun around you will detect threat on the left much slower than with turning of the head.

>>34443601
Thanks professor theorycraft, live from his study in the suburbs. You've never done anything and you should already know redguards and muggers scatter like roaches when things don't go their way.

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>>34442938
>leaves this string of comments:
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>bu-bu-bu-but-but you're the triggered one!
>hurr durr let me larp as an old fag
>"i'm totally not butt hurt and never been to a shooting range so i am an unbiased shill STAHP making fun of muh mall ninja boyfriends"
>"yo-yo-yo-you guiz are just like minecraft kidz!"

amazing how a bitch like yourself types out such garbage without dying of embarrassment. I don't think you realize the irony of calling people "triggered" when you're the one snooping around on a thread and losing your shit over people criticizing a mall ninja tactic.

You're literally an SJW turd under a different banner.

I've never shot anyone. But sometimes when I'm walking in my ghetto area, I'll think about what's around me. Where's easy cover? Where's a safe place to duck and have my rear protected? What would I do right now if some homeboy decided he wants my laptop bag? What would I do if he had 3 friends with him? Etc.

I've run through the scenario in my mind. I start getting punched from behind, or I get a knife pulled on me, or there's a gun, but I find the right opportunity to disarm, disable, and attack. And always, always, I'm thinking about his homey waiting around the corner, or sitting in the getaway car, with two others, perhaps one who's just a few feet away as he comes in for the attack. And the videos I've seen of robberies like this usually show one guy trying to knock out the victim while two or three buddies are ready to swoop in and rifle through his pockets. Hell, I even witnessed a random attack where two of them sucker punched an old disabled man and stole his necklace. (Yes, I intervened, and they were caught).

Anyway, If I were forced to pull my gun and shoot, I'd put 2-3 in the most dangerous attacker, or just shoot until he drops. At that point, I'd be running already... running towards the closest cover I can find. While I'm doing that, I'd sweep the area behind me, and I'd not have gone to a low-ready. I'd have my gun up and ready to shoot the whole time. But I'd be moving as soon as the attacker seems to be dropping. I don't think I'd be swiveling my head left and right. I'd be getting away from the disabled bad guy and finding a safe place to assess my environment, and assuming that 2-3 more potential gangstaz were behind me the whole time. Anyone who isn't running away or putting their hands up to show a lack of threat is going to get held at gunpoint, because I'm going to be one paranoid motherfucker.

I have no idea whether this is 'tactically sound' according to people who train. But it's what works in my mind, and seems most natural.

>>34444707
You're way overthinking it, if that wasn't clear with the first half of your post. Like mentioned previously, muggers aren't hardened warriors, they don't want to die and will disperse when one of them is dead. Just start aiming and shooting, walk backwards if you can but prioritize placement over movement.

>>34431284
If you feel there are additional threats incoming your gun should go where your eyes. If this is to teach muscle memory then you're teaching yourself to look at your killer and get caught with your gun clutched tight to your chest like an armed meerkat. Or worse are the ones who scan and holster. As another Anon pointed out I see a lot of people turn their head but they aren't even "looking" so to speak. Just going through the motions. I understand safety limitations at ranges prevent scanning 180 with your weapon but let's not kid ourselves into thinking the scan and assess is anything other than range theatrics. Ultimately this hacky mallninja fad does more harm than good. The only saving grace is a course that implements this tactic is better than no training at all. Pretty low standard to beat though.

>>34444758
Yeah, you're probably right. From what I've seen on videos, they scatter the instant a gunshot rings out. I guess you just never know when they might be brothers or something, and they're pissed you shot their partner. But I think instincts win out 99% of the time, and they just run from danger.

Most of this theorizing I do in my head takes place after I've put 2-3 rounds into the main mugger's chest. So it's all taking place in a scenario where the initial threat is probably neutralized.

In my mind, I'd try to move where he couldn't sneak a shot at me easily, so probably move in the direction 'above his head', where he'd have the most trouble seeing me from a prone position, assuming he's still able to move at all.

From there, I'd be covering the ground that was behind me when the attack began, which is where 99% of additional assailants would have positioned themselves. And I'd be placing the downed attacker in my field of view as I clear the area.

In my head at least, it's the safest method to use, even if I'm overthinking it a bit.

>>34443949
Just turning your head is a halfway measure between keeping your full attention on the primary target and completely dedicating all attention to surroundings - you keep the weapon towards the established threat but move your head to scan your surroundings.

Personally I turn my whole body but keep the weapon close and down.

>>34444309
Sounds like you have no argument.

>>34431315
Revolverfudds btfo

>>34443480
if you see a real threat your gun should be pointing there,, not 90 degrees to the left.

Did i really have to explain that?

>>34444988
If you see a real threat, you will point your gun at it.

Did I really have to explain that?

>>34445105
eventually, you will point your gun at it.

OP's pic looks like every guy I shoot in paintball. He has that "what's that?" look.

>>34431151
Not only meant to break tunnel vision but also regain awarness of your squad and potential other threats.
You dont reholster or lower your guard, you can lower your weapon slightly, but the point is to make sure your target is down, look around for casualities or other threats, but always be ready to engage another target.

Not needed for the average shooter, but its recommended to drill with it if you're in the military.

>>34445132
Yes, you will. After you've identified him.

I know this might come as a surprise to you, but you can't just shoot everyone you see in real life.

>>34445147
Here's another reason why you don't scan with your weapon, it's because you'll flag friendlies.

>>34431181
this

Just find cover anyways

>>34445163
Well yeah, you never scan with your weapon, you slightly lower it and turn your head. Same thing you'd do when turning around to shoot, turn around until you have eyes on target, raise weapon.

>>34436553
>Destroyed

But Mom!

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>>34433542
What do I have to do to look that scary into my 40's?

>>34445203
Exactly. Head first, body follows.